Re: I'm not sure Microsoft *has* won.
MATE not stable? You could have fooled me. Been using it since I upgraded all of my Ubuntu boxes to 12.04.
"Stability" is not something I would knock it for.
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MATE not stable? You could have fooled me. Been using it since I upgraded all of my Ubuntu boxes to 12.04.
"Stability" is not something I would knock it for.
Most of the basic UI elements from Win95 were not invented by Microsoft. They were cobbled together from a wide range of sources including CDE and other ancient window managers. A lot of the apparent missing prior art is MIA primarily because the author refused to really acknowledge the state of X before 1995.
The the first "clone" of Windows95 was nothing more than a theme for an existing window manager (fvwm).
A start menu is nothing more than an anchored app menu from any of the early window managers.
> My comment is based on the fact that it's annoying not being able to make a cup of tea in a hotel room. And I'm British, dammit.
Then grow a stiff upper lip and wait a few more seconds for the electric kettle to do it's thing.
>>Only in America...
> Only in America would they insist in using kettles you have to put a flame under, rather than using electric kettles like the rest of the world.
Who's insisting? What do you think this is? Europe?
We can brew tea any way we like.
Sometimes I even break out the stock pot for when I have a non-metric ton of freshly culled Mint leaves.
> Then don't be surprised when someone shits all over yours.
I'm sure you didn't intend it but you basically just declared him a person of significance.
> I don't think I'd call paying the taxes required by law and not one penny more 'weaseling' their way out of taxes,
Except this is about shuffling money around bogus corporate entities in order to gain the most favorable status possible. For most people this seems inherently unfair because most of us aren't in a position to do this. This includes a good number of small businesses to. Although governments that set themselves up as havens for tax scofflaws deserve just as much derision as the megacorps that exploit them.
> People running corporations have a *duty* to maximize shareholder value.
This is a grand excuse for all sorts of anti-social nonsense.
> they just want something simple and easy to use for Facebook and on-line shopping etc.
Tablets are actually pretty crummy for online shopping. Tablets do OK with a very limited focus and a very small list of features. Beyond that, tiny screens and the tablet interface fare poorly.
The problem with the PC market is that a 5 year old PC is good enough. They're not like tablets where a year old model seems hopelessly out of date. Even an ancient PC can run circles around current tablets when it comes to pure computation. Plus PCs are much more flexible.
Even as appliances, "tablet hardware" does poorly against 5 year old PCs that were trailing edge hardware even then.
> Is it too much hardship to run two boxes for a while or relegate one to the spare room?
That's a kind of "you use our stuff only" kind of assumption. It ignores anything else you're doing and the ability of your equipment to handle all of it. Not to mention the space.
Yes. Needing to deal with a bunch of legacy equipment is a bother.
> I'm certainly no conspiracy theorist - I go for cock-up before conspiracy. But say the feds want to investigate someone then being able to access a camera and microphone in their front room is going to be very tempting.
This isn't even a particularly new idea. This sort of thing was a staple of a show from the 80s.
We are now living 10 minutes into the future.
Someone WILL hack into your urinal cam.
> Out of interest, do you have any references for Atom vs ARM speeds? It's easy to find benchmarks comparing different ARM processors, but I've yet to find ARM vs x86...
Video manipulation and decoding make nice quick artificial benchmarks.
There is nothing terribly interesting about taking a TV signal and overlaying stuff on it. That's just picture-in-picture. You still have to control the other device(s) suitably well. You still have to deal with content from other sources.
HDMI passthru is really just a big fat surrender. You're advertising that you've given up on being a central media hub. At that point, you might as well use better discrete devices because that's what you are doing anyways.
Games are what game consoles do better than a $60 Roku or $100 BluRay player. If the games aren't compelling then you have no point as a game console. Being a more expensive and more complicated version of what everyone else is already doing is not compelling.
> Games are not films. Typically you're unlikely to go back to a game after you've upgraded your console a few times.
You mean there is no such thing as a classic game?
There's a whole world of classic game fans to contradict you. This includes things like MAME and Good Old Games. I play a Loki game every so often. Some attempts to remake games just fail horribly (like Sim City). You are quite often better off with the original even if you have to emulate the original hardware.
People play games again for the same reasons they watch a movie again.
> This needs to work in the Marketing Director's big-screen pc or mac to be taken seriously - HDMI won't cut it.
HDMI will likely be fine for anything that isn't trying to be pointlessly different and needlessly incompatible.
This may pose problems with Apple users but those are a small minority.
Chances are that this PC on a stick is no less limited than the PI. It's just that the PI is more open to things that will make those limitations painfully obvious. It's no worse than a similar streamer appliance. You just don't have any artificial restrictions that make it less obvious how lame the hardware is.
A Dell on a stick may suffer from the same problems. There is no tour guide to keep you out of trouble.
> Wait until the average user's anti-virus or backup kicks in and see how responsive their laptop is. Try searching for a file at the same time and tabbing between windows. This is hardly "power-user proposition"
Sure it is. You're just out of touch with the vast bulk of PC users out there.
Although the two batch jobs there should not be interfering with user responsiveness. That's just poor systems software engineering. A lot of the hyped benefits of SSDs come down to certain operating systems doing poorly at what is basically 70s style multi-user concurrency.
This too is a pretty old idea. There have been ready made cluster node VMs available for a number of years now. Before that, you could roll your own if you wanted.
> It took half a decade of coding for Windows to convince me that it's actually a plucky little platform and even its quirks are quite endearing when you've seen it soldier on, day in and day out, for years, doing useful work with respectable consistency.
Soldier on? Consistency?
You've got to be kidding.
Microsoft lowering the bar with Windows is a very big part of why ARM devices are so trendy right now.
Like the other guy said. The problem is that this is a project not for adults but for novices and children. It's a proof of concept system at best. In that regard, it's very much like any other cluster built out of ancient or woefully underpowered hardware. It's the butt of every joke about building a Beowulf cluster of something.
Before the rise of the tablets, I would have had a problem just plain GIVING a Mac to a stubborn low impact WinDOS user. The brand fixation with Microsoft was a near impenetrable barrier. Now dumping Microsoft products seems a lot easier for them. I suspect that's due to tablets successfully displacing PCs.
Suddenly it's not all Microsoft products anymore.
The times, they are a changing...
> Your lying , your missus dumped off 500 pounds worth of iPad for a smaller Tab 2.
Like I said. Not everyone wants the same black Model-T.
Contrary to the opinion of the fascists-in-denial, one size does not fit all.
Apple is not "inevitable". We don't have to turn the iPad into the next MS-DOS.
> Of all people, I didn't expect you to sing along to what M$ wants to make us believe. Tablet with monitor, keyboard, and mouse? Like the Surface perhaps?
I could see some future more open tablet device docking to my KVM switch and being the equal of any of my older conventional PCs. That's not the direction were vendors are trying to direct things now but there's no reason it can't happen.
Most of the problem with tablets is bad policy imposed by short sighted platform megalomaniacs.
> , it will not simply be replaced by what is essentially a computing periferal.
The "terminal" will not die. People will still need to compute on devices with "old fashioned" inputs. They may go back to being "business machines" but they won't go away entirely.
> You absolutely hit the nail on the head, there... whether they go to Apple or an Android, these folk radiate a "wow, this is what I always wanted my PC to be like" glow.
This has more to do with the fact that it isn't Windows than anything else. People have had this long established mental block encouraged by Lemming FUD. Everyone was conned into believing that PC equals DOS and Windows. Most users would have been better off served with something NOT from Microsoft. Yet the monopoly feedback loop and constant propaganda made everyone feel trapped.
Tablets offered a fresh start with a product that superficially seems different than everything else.
It allows people to get past the idea they can use only one brand of OS.
> Quicken? !
> Last time you used any form of PC or saw what "professionals" or businesses actually use was...?
Quickbooks is very much entrenched in the small business sector. Accountants use it and you need to be compatible with your accountant. It's the corporate equivalent of Quicken. The claim was poorly stated but essentially true.
If not Quickbooks then some similar alternative will be used and likely require something other than a Tivo user interface.
The missus was an iFan early adopter. She had her iPad1 probably before a lot of the fanboys here even ever saw one. Once she saw my 7" Tab2 she was immediately hooked and dumped all of her Apple products. While it was true that it was an impulse buy because of it's price, the price tag had nothing to do with the larger device with the fruity logo being immediately DUMPED.
Apple (and fanboys) showed open contempt for end users with a shred of independent thought or creativity and was soundly proven wrong.
> People get the 7" BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER! , The bigger screen gives a better experience,
No. The 7" screen gives you a better experience depending on your use case.
Contrary to popular fascist opinion, people are different. One size really does not fit all. There is room (nay desire) for more than one option in the market. Not everyone wants the same black Model-T.
Inherently cheaper devices only serve as a "gateway drug" to clue people in that they don't need to be a slave to one particular brand.
The real problem is that a 5 year old PC is still respectable.
A 5 year old tablet or video streamer is a joke. Plus, the market isn't saturated yet.
The ARM device market is about where PCs were 20 years ago. In a world fixated on the newest thing and only the current quarter, a lot of ink gets dedicated to the flavor of the moment. Meanwhile, even mainframes happily chug along doing pretty much what they've always done.
The problem with the iTunes mentality is that if you don't like iTunes you're screwed.
A closed system is hell for a discriminating consumer. You're stuck eating nothing but Taco Bell.
A Notary exists to verify that you are you when you are signing a legal document.
Why Apple would send scanned copies of documents received throuh email to a Notary is anyone's guess. Perhaps someone thinks it sounds impressive and official.
The real problem here is that a consumer was sent something that looked like a phishing email that then directed them to transfer highly sensitive personal data over an insecure channel. Apple was engaging in something that looks like a scam. They are encouraging people to lower their resistance to some very dangerous data practices.
Landlords and and car rental shops usually ask for these things on paper and/or face to face.
Plus there's the whole CAR or HOUSE versus a cheap gadget thing...
Being put through the wringer makes a bit more sense when $250K or $500K could be on the line.
> But really, get out into the wider world where people spend money: you many be surprised.
It really depends on your assumptions.
It seems like YOU are the one likely to be surprised.
Linux has been displacing commercial Unix going on DECADES now. This displacement even includes Fortune 100 companies which are your last bastions of overpriced commercial Unix.
The truth is that EVERYONE is stingy. If you were up to your rhetoric then you would know that.
This is something like the 2nd attempt at this EVER. It's new technology. This is real life, as opposed to a Star Trek episode. Stuff like this isn't instantaneous. Other types of firearms represent centuries of technological development. The author probably wouldn't like some of the original firearms either. He probably wouldn't like any of the first several generations.
Version 0.02 isn't "magical"? Imagine that.
> Randomly trying different form factors in the hope of hitting one which is a success is not the way to succeed.
You mean like the 7" tablet?
Failed experiments are merely an artifact of a free market where anyone is at liberty to try their hand.
Apple has a few of those too. They just tend to be ignored.
> If your wintel boxes crash, they're built or used wrong.
The end user is generally not responsible for building a PC.
Otherwise, it should not crash period. "Using it wrong" is no excuse for a modern OS.
The fact that the vendor may have screwed up ultimately doesn't matter. I doesn't matter who you get to point the finger at if the end result is a big fat steaming turd.
> "Dell dominate the list"
That is the really interesting point about these numbers. The fact that Apple placed in this list or even had one item on the top of it is really far less impressive. Dell had a better showing because they had more top 10 models. That means that it's really Dell that's on top.
If Apple were as good as the masters of spin want you to think, then there would be more Apple on the list.
> It's a surprise that decent quality hardware is more reliable?
There isn't anything that Apple sells that is significantly different in this regard.
If anything, the "design" centric approach that Apple takes will compromise the engineering of the device.
> Boy you have no clue do you. OSX is far from locked,
It's not exactly locked down but it is a much more "curated" mindset. Windows users expect to do things with their tools that Mac users would try to look down on you for.
Just the gaming aspect of Windows is bound to lead to more crashes because there's a wider variety of them and they are prone to use the system harder.
> There is always someone who wants to knock the facts when Apple turns up trumps.
...and Acer comes in 2nd and Dell comes in 3rd.
Both of these brands are whipping boys for Apple Fanboys that like to confuse being overpriced with product quality. Those brands are not liked very much among WinDOS users either.
There's just way too much Dell on that chart for me to take it at face value. Never mind the Apple.
It's the "ecosystem". An iPad user can easily dump Apple for a smaller Android tablet. My local iFan did just that. Dumped her Apple phone in the process too.
That's why Apple finally relented on the smaller tablets. They realized that Android was alone in a segment of the market that they could no longer dismiss.
What keeps people stuck is purchases they can't transfer to another platform. This used to be software but that doesn't seem to be the big problem anymore. The real problem seems to be media content formats that used to be non-proprietary.
My 3TB Seagates seem to be fine. The era of their drives being total crap was like 3 or 4 years ago. They aren't nearly so bad now.
Perhaps the fact that Seagate's name continues to be mud has something to do with their problems.
A co-processor is a co-processor. If it can act in place of the CPU with less nonsense then that's useful regardless of whether or not the co-processor is on the same die. This is just turning a GPU into a fancier math co-processor.
Surprised it hasn't been done yet actually.
Like what exactly? Buy a farm in Lancaster county? Bludgeon webmasters that gratuitously use Flash?
In an avalanche, the pebbles don't get a vote.
You can't copy a TV just by looking at it.
On the other hand, my TV is limited in time and space. To get to it, you have to commit a common law crime of violence. In the process you will have to likely destroy more property and set off a nice alarm that will let the well armed neighbors know that some shenanigan is afoot.
I can copy "your precious intellectual property" just by browsing the website where you posted it for the entire world to see.
It's more like you dragged your most precious possessions to the local flea market and posted a sign saying "free stuff, take all you want". Then you get you kickers in a twist when stuff is actually taken.
> I've never really seen the point in criticising a configurable OS for it's GUI
Ubuntu isn't sold as being a kit. It's not Gentoo. If you want a kit, then you run that.
The whole selling point of Ubuntu is supposed to be that it is ready to use. It falls down somewhat in this area. That's why there are different variants and Mint. These alternatives exist because Linux users aren't just passive consumers that will take whatever crap you want to give them.
If Ubuntu isn't doing it for you then you can (and should) dump them for someone that's doing a better job.
That's how the free market works.
> Presumably also allowing you to buy things from Amazon through your TV as well?
That's already covered.
> Because selling more smartphones and tablets...
Is an argument that only plays well to the rest of the cult. Everyone else realizes that ARM devices are quickly becoming a replay of MS-DOS and the original Mac. The platform with 10 cutthroat vendors trying to sell you variations on the same thing are finding more success catering to more people than a one hit wonder.
The iPad Mini is a great illustration of that.
Apple finally came around and decided to supply what the rest of the market was offering.
It turns out that there are a lot more "irrelevant geeks" out there than Apple or it's fanboys realize.
This is the flip side of "converting" people. They can "un-convert" as soon as the trendy thing no longer becomes trendy or something better comes along.
> - Instead of allowing apps to send messages,
You cripple the device so it can't do much of anything.
That's the real problem with modern security issues. Everything is about trojans placed in software that's supposed to be legitimate but really isn't. A lot of this is driven by various forms of the cheapskate mentality that prevents both Free Software and Shareware from flourishing.
You might want to send messages.
Although ultimately end users should be able to revoke any permission after installation. We should never be in a position to be held hostage to developers that want the moon and the stars in terms of system permissions.
I should be able to do something like I do with noscript. ANY app is banned from sending text messages unless I say otherwise. Doesn't matter what it asked for during installation.
>>> How do they discover this?
> When they want to lend a book to someone with a non-Amazon e-reader, or their Kindle breaks and they decide to replace it with a Kobo.
That sounds like a Kobo problem.
I can read the books "trapped in DRM hell" on any of our multiple iOS or Android devices. It's just like how I have 4 different brands of streamer device that can handle Amazon Video (or Netflix).
Some vendors like being a single device walled garden. Amazon isn't one of them.