1865 posts • joined 26 Jan 2009
Re: my $0.02 worth
"commercial point of view" is nonsense. The platform continues to grow and thrive independent of this.
That is the whole point of Free Software to begin with. Everything is independent of a "commercial point of view". You don't have to worry about Atari and Commodore failing or Netscape having it's air supply cut off. Free Software exists outside and despite of the market.
It's like MS-DOS and Windows but without the bling.
Re: RTFM attitude hasn't helped
> a) People should know how to do stuff through the shell
Nonsense. Being a Unix user doesn't mean being a masochist. It means being lazy.
If I ever even touch the shell it is to be lazy.
Something is faster or more automated than the drudge work of doing some visual thing n+ times.
Beyond that, the "burden of the shell" is gravely overrated/
Re: What prevents Linux from conquering the consumer PC market?
No. You are not likely to look at your friends with their Macs and start to get jealous. If anything, those Mac users will likely have the same exact problems as you do.
A Mac is nothing to lord over Linux. It doesn't matter how overhyped and trendy it is. It still has the same "but it's not the monopoly platform" problems that Linux does.
Short of games, if you aren't brand fixated to the exclusion of what you actually want to do then none of the platforms are at much of a disadvantage to the others. Although Macs have an NIH and group think problem.
Re: What prevents Linux from conquering the consumer PC market?
> But when the user wants to watch some youtube flicks it might get frustrated. Put in a film on DVD: frustration again.
Nope. Both are pretty simple and actually rather stupid things to try to criticize Linux for.
These idiots whine about inconsistency and confusion and churn and completely ignore this kind of thing when it happens in Windows. Windows game development is the essence of churn and this is where you're going to get your most severe problems.
Who cares about the init system really? Miguel is just on crack when it comes to that sort of thing.
I laugh when I hear cries about Linux being tough for (presumably commercial) software vendors when I see serious Unix vendors dealing with even wider variations between different Unixen.
Re: Torvalds is turning out to be --@boltar
Stallman doesn't go out of his way to be disliked.
What he actually does is to NOT go out of his way to be liked.
He has his position and his reasons and he sticks to that.
A certain type of herd follower misinterprets this as being anti-social.
Re: Torvalds is turning out to be
If Linus had never been born, the GNU tools would still be very useful on other commercial Unixen.
Free Software doesn't begin and end with Linux.
The kernel is a key bit but it doesn't make the rest of the OS irrelevant.
> You may want to actually get some facts, or better still experience
Been there. Done that. Know better than to trust hysterical nonsense posted to the web.
Beyond any but the most trivial deployments, Apple products suffer from the simple problem that Apple is not a business vendor and it isn't an enterprise vendor. Their idea of support isn't even suitable for a discriminating consumer. If you're talking about a business, then forget about it.
Re: Enterprises expensive loss? Posted Thursday 30th August 2012 10:55 GMT Anonymous Coward
> Your comments about AD are just clueless. It goes way beyond LDAP.
All of the Microsoft marketing materials make AD sound just like LDAP.
If there's more to it than that then you certainly helping clear anything up.
Although the main problem here is "fitting in". So it really doesn't matter how good AD is supposed to be if you are supporting a bunch of Windows machine. It's like how msoffice will always be best at reading a word document.
Re: possibly the first Apple product that I really want to try out
A Mini under the stairs would be a big sprawling mess compared to any comparable PC option.
The biggest problem by far with running any MacOS server (or just MacOS in general) is being forced to deal with Apple hardware. MacOS server could sorely use the ability to be run virtualized.
Of course Apple would never allow this.
Nonsense. Macs are more expensive and they aren't cheaper to operate. The support options for Macs also gravely lag behind the options available from PC vendors. A PC can quietly do it's job until it's costs have been amortized and you are ready to discard them.
"Support costs" if any are driven by helpless types that are going to be bothersome regardless of what OS you're using.
Re: Come on people! @AC
I think someone said something about Mac Server being for 1-10 person offices.
You're unlikely to outgrow a NAS appliance with such a puny office.
No. Laymen just like to pretend they're helpless rather than taking responsibility for themselves.
A lot of this stuff is pretty trivial. The boundary between what is and what is not a server is pretty arbitrary. That's especially true when your own "server product" offers very little and is just an extra app.
Stuff like file sharing is something that any Windows user from 1994 should be able to handle. The GUI for setting this up is terribly trivial and always has been.
If this product doesn't offer serious Mac-only services then you've really got to wonder what the point is.
While GigE doesn't matter much for "Internet" type stuff, it can certainly be handy for home networking. It's nice to be able to throw things around the home network at 100MB/s and to do it with cheap commodity parts and industry standard interfaces. If they can figure out how to bump that up to 100GB/s then all the better.
The really interesting bits of Thunderbolt minus the hype.
Blast from the past...
This dock concept goes back to the 80s. You remember that company that Steve founded after he left Apple?
This stuff is old enough that any relevant patents should be expired by now.
I used a dock on my Linux desktop in the 90s.
Re: Market stratification makes me sad
Nonsense. Even 30 and 40 years ago Lego sets were still kits intended to build a particular thing like a space ship or police station. The only thing that has really changed over the years is that major movies are now being licensed by Lego and it's competitors.
The whole "bucket of bricks" versus a kit is as it has always been: up to the person.
Besides, Legos have always been too expensive for a "bucket of bricks" approach.
Even now your "bucket of bricks" is likely heavily augmented by competitors that can now finally make compatible bricks. Talk about the long reach of patents...
Re: "The company itself got its start from copying the GUI system developed at Xerox PARC."
It doesn't matter if they "stole it" or they "paid for it".
They took someone else's work and used it as the basis as their own. It's exactly what they are accusing Samsung of. They just had the benefit of a less well developed legal framework around computing technology.
Otherwise Apple might not even exist today.
You might be luck to get to use MS-DOS.
> That's not long after they produced the first GUI based computers outside of a research lab.
So? That research lab is prior art.
The fact that something is hidden from you laymen doens't mean it hasn't been invented yet.
Also, anything from 1987 should be well expired by now patent-wise.
Re: Kudos to the author
It's all about stock valuation.
That's the new yardstick: How absurd is your PE ratio?
Re: Apple do innovate
> You're not doing yourself any favours using terms like "iFans". It makes you come across as a teenage kid.
Don't get your pretensious tight ass panties in a buch. It's certainly not the worse thing people could come up with. It's no worse than net.this and net.that and is very much in line with Apple's own naming conventions.
If anyone has some growing up to do, it's you.
Re: A friend of mine works for Samsung
New IOS on an older iPhone might be a big part of why my local iFan defected to Android. New PhoneOS on an old phone was definitely bogging down and making her pine for a newer device. The delay on iPhone 5 just helped things along.
Re: I think that I should....
Many of these commentards are THOSE PEOPLE that "do a job for a living". They are the relevant experts. This is the site that "bites the hand that feeds IT". You can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting someone that can probably replicate a lot of these nonsense patents with a couple lines of Perl.
It's the "legal experts" that have run off the rails and are ignoring the relevant technical details.
Patent examiners leave it up to the courts. Courts assume that the patent examiners "know what they're doing" and the whole mess blows up in everyones faces.
Re: The Fanbois
It is very likely that NEITHER side should have "won".
The American patent office has been running amok for quite some time now. Chances are that out of 100 patents, only one of them is anywhere near reasonable.
Re: @ turtle
In short: "Apple is entitled to abuse the system".
This has nothing to do with Android. Some of us have been ranting about the broken patent system for a long time. This is just the latest episode. Calling us "competing fanboys" won't alter the fact that we're arguing based on principle and you're just a corporate shill.
Re: Well what do you know!
My local former iFan now uses (Samsung) Android devices for how they are NOT like Apple products.
The same goes for me.
It's nice to have choices. Not everyone agrees with your fascist vision for technology.
Resistance is futile.
The local iFan that was seduced by the 7 inch Galaxy Tab 2 was so impressed by it that she broke down and go herself a G3. She was tired of waiting for an iPhone 5 and didn't see the 4s as enough of an upgrade.
Now she's been fully assimilated.
Early to arrive. Early to leave...
Re: Is it really though?
> Really? Did you not think that Android phones are much cheapers than the iPhone's?
I have never thought of this. On the other hand, I actually have an informed opinion that has come from actually looking at the facts and not just being content to spread someone else's propaganda talking points.
Android phones are no more or less subsidized than any Apple product.
"Cheap" simply isn't the issue.
Re: Is it really though?
My local iFan is very close to ditching the iPhone for a Galaxy and is already quite impressed with the Galaxy Tab to the point of moving away from the iPad too.
It turns out that 7 inches isn't such a pointless form factor after all.
Get medieval on his arse...
He's just lucky that there wasn't anything in the statute about boiling in oil.
Clearly this judge is asleep at the switch and is just rubber stamping any crazy penalty that they come up with.
"It could be worse" is not a suitable response to the question of "is it just" or "is it even legal"?
Just so long as it isn't 8088 assembler, they should be fine.
Inherently sillly article.
It's an inherently silly article based on a flawed premise and confused terminology.
It's FREE SOFTWARE. The moment you start talking about this "open source" stuff you've already compromised your ideals and have started pandering to guys with money and expensive suits. That's kind of the whole point of the thing.
if you are just realizing this now then you haven't really been paying attention.
"open source" is watered down for corporate consumption by it's very nature.
Sooner or later the likes of Apple will stop supporting you and you will be unable to run latest version of doo-dad. Trapping your OS in the past means that you have to trap your apps and drivers in the past too. Not everyone is cool with that.
There's also security fixes to consider.
Silly narcissistic whiners...
Meanwhile, those with any sense realize that your average n00b sees NONE of this stuff and is thus very unlikely to be influenced by any of it.
Re: "“Did you use open source code to save time, and the virus was hidden in it?”"
When many "must have" apps will willingly execute any random script or executable they are given, you don't really need to put trojans in the code. While it is certainly possible, it is entirely uncessary.
If the code is open, all you need is one kid who wants to make a name for himself.
If the code is closed, you just have to depend on the good intentions of the likes of Apple or Microsoft.
Re: I would care...
Does the machine have the Cajones to run Flash?
If so then you have access to enough games to keep the kids distracted indefinitely.
Re: As freetard...
Quite. My use of Free Software is mainly an artifact of being ignored by those making decent software.
You had your chance Sun and you blew it quite spectacularly.
No. "Freetard" has always been an aphorism to insult Free Software.
It's only occasionally used to refer to pirates who already have a term of derision custom crafted for them.
Re: It isn't a zero sum game
THE CLOUD IS BAD.
The cloud can be useful in certain limited situations despite it's handicaps.
This gets overblown into a lot of hype and nonsense as pundits ignore the limitations in current technology and gloss over the requirements of end users. It is not the idyllic Federation network from the 24th century that some people like to pretend it is.
Even if it were, one might be more inclined to store stuff with friends and family with appliances built for the purpose and made easy peasy for even the biggest n00b among us.
Given the prices of ALL OTHER tablets on the market, it is pretty obvious that Microsoft will be engaging in some very egregious dumping here.
You're clearly ignoring some important details here.
Re: obligatory question....
"Nobody wants to do it" yet there is such a vibrant modding scene even for Apple products.
You are preaching an obvious contradiction here. Reality does not agree with your rhetoric.
So newer versions of Android run like a dog on older kit? Big deal. So does pretty much anything. This even includes the magical PhoneOS. This is why my local iFan is eyeballing an upgrade to a Galaxy S3.
> What the fuck do you think Office is?
Tired old legacy software. That's what it is.
People buy tablets to get away from legacy cruft like that and purveyors of it such as yourself.
Re: The hipster's of tech, never mind your data backups...
Regardless. You never trust just one piece of backup media.
That's why media that's cheap enough to be disposable has an advantage. You make 5 or 10 copies and mitigate the potential for a media failure. This is the problem of expecting n00bs to fend for themselves like "geeks". Not only are they not familiar with the "tech" they also aren't familiar with the policies, management, and best practices associated with the "tech".
Re: The hipster's of tech, never mind your data backups...
> Surely the responsibility for the customer's personal data storage and backup rests with the customer?
These aren't "geeks".
Throwing n00bs in the deep end of the pool and making them fend for themselves? That's like Gentoo territory.
Once again: Apple is the computing equivalent of BMW until they do something that is obviously un-BMW like then suddenly they're a Hyundai again.
Re: @Mr C Hill - What does author mean by 'upcoming' MBP not having optical drives...
Sounds a bit Pythonesque.
Of course the problem with USB DVD drives is that they take more power and require a second USB port and if your hardware doesn't put 2 USB ports together then you are kind of boned. You end up needing an extension cord just to power up your DVD drive.
The setup quickly becomes more bothersome and less portable.
People were pining for a replacement to floppy drives for a good long while while any number of non-standardized wannabe's try to displace them. They all turned out to be worse than "obsolete tech" in some way or another, sometimes horribly so.
Older tech will disappear when people no longer find them useful and they are replaced by something else. This happens on it's own and has nothing to do with Apple's attempts to force the issue.
Re: Just use an external one.
eSATA? It's the same connection on the motherboard.
Just an anti-green pile on in here...
I am rather disappointed with you lot that you are so eager to gloss over the obvious likely risks of taking a chemical cocktail and pumping it into the ground under high pressure. Anyone with half a brain and the ability to think critically should be giving fracking a great deal of scrutiny.
You seem willing to over look the obvious just because you don't like the messenger.
If the Greens declared the sky was blue, would you deny that too?
Re: A horrible experience
Nonsense. Windows would fare well simply because people are used to it. Gnome would also fare well because it is close enough. MacOS would cause some frustration to people too used to Windows/Gnome.
In general most people aren't going to be doing much to stress any desktop. So most of the differences won't really matter.
Younger users won't even be aware that the three represent distinct products. They will view our platform partisanship as something quaint and old fashioned.
Re: Durham Uni
Even on Solaris, Gnome replaced CDE a long time ago.
CDE is more like "partying like it's 1989".
By 1999, the two main efforts to replace and forget CDE were already under way.
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