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Nothing new really...
> So after 20years of selling Dell as the cheap place to buy your PC, they shift into being the cheap place to buy your servers.
Where have you been? They have already been just that for quite awhile now.
Big deal, a barrel...
> disk. Instead, they probably cover things like the 30+ minute "go back" buffer
Bog standard buffering. Yeah, that's something that qualifies for a 17 year long innovation stifling monopoly.
Tivo was impressive in 1999 but it's stagnated. Patent lawsuits are one of the things that contributes to this stagnation. They employ lawyers rather than engineers. It holds back the potential of the product.
The "clone DVRs" are implementing the features (like true network transparency) that Tivo is disinterested in.
Been there, done that already.
A four year old version of Mythbuntu is a demonstration that this "fixing TV" thing has already been done by Linux desktop software.
It's an old idea really.
Although a lot of TVs are already running Linux. They just aren't using the typical desktop based userland stuff.
A more IR friendly app for Netflix or Amazon would be a nice addition though.
Bogus patents, obsolete for 10 years already.
Whatever bogus patents that Tivo Corp managed to get for themselves became completely obsolete as soon as PC video capture cards with built in video compression hit the market.
That was about 10 years ago.
The tricky part of what Tivo did wasn't realizing that you can use a PC to exploit things like multimedia and databases and apply that to the VCR problem. The tricky part was dealing with 30Mhz CPUs and 1G hard drives.
The inevitable march of progress has made those considerations moot too.
Repeating media lies...
It's ironic to try and defend the news media while buying into their lies.
No. It's not obvious that a coffee spill will generate a 3rd degree burn. Are you even aware of what that is?
There's a bit more to the story than the common anti-lawyer theme often repeated in pop culture.
Modern journalism is lazy and sloppy. If it's done well enough, you have enough information that you can make up your own mind regardless of the bias of the journalist. However, that requires that the journalist does a complete enough job and that rarely happens. Usually we get soundbites and propaganda and pandering.
Fox News, CNN and Al Jazeera all share this in common.
You don't even need a propaganda minister. Corporations will gladly pander to the audience and strip news of most if not all of it's usefulness.
No one does real journalism anymore because it's all about ratings and being inoffensvie.
Point not missed at all...
This Rube Goldberg arrangement of running some stuff through an X terminal and other things locally all seems to boil down to the problem of Windows software management. There is no good way to rebuild a system from scratch. A small subset of apps can be recreated Debian or Apple style but not everything.
It seems the real answer is something like a local Debian/Ubuntu repository and an automated installer to go with it. Download stuff once and keep it. Direct new boxes to locally cached copies of apps and OS updates.
It sounds like there's nothing like that for the platform you can't get yourself away from.
Rebuilding a Windows box has always been a royal PITA.
The walled garden
> The walled garden does not prevent viewing of local content
Sure it does. It limits the formats that devices will natively accept. This leads to a lot of bother and futzing as you either convert data or need to set up an uneccessarily complex media server.
System wide settings?
System wide settings like what?
There is very little going on in my /etc or root disk in general that isn't related to daemons that are outside of the domain of the original article. What little there is is pretty darn easy to clone since it's just human readable text in files.
Yes. The RDP insanity.
RDP is not bad but it's still very limited in what it can do for you. While it can certainly handle light desktop tasks without the lag and stutter of something like VNC, There is a lot of stuff you simply can't do across RDP even if you wanted to.
There are simply limits to the whole Xserver/RDP approach.
Plus maintaining all of that big box Unix style setup seems like a bit of a chore really.
Apple should live up to the image it has built for itself and "do the right" thing by the Italians. Throwing them an extra "bone" in terms of charity would not hurt either.
This just makes them look like "just another crass corporation". Of course that's what they really are but they should not be running around making that more obvious to people that might not have figured that out yet.
Gutted and crippled and somewhat pointless.
...yes: in other words XBMC is not a PVR and is at best a limited stripped down client for some other PVR. This is an important difference for anyone that's actually used a PVR for any amount of time and has noticed the difference.
OTOH, most HTPC software (even MCE) readily allows for running external programs to avoid these kinds of issues.
You simply don't have to turn XBMC in to something it is not in order to get a "complete" experience.
> has a fantastic interface for live TV
Which kind of misses the point of a PVR.
> MythTV - my god, what a buggy piece of crap
It might "suck" but it does well at handling a media collection that will choke MCE.
I don't need to be stuck with an xbox as an extender. Very handy for that whole "codec" problem.
While XBMC is nice in this regard (media). It is not a PVR of any sort.
Missing the point entirely...
Who uses the UI on a TV?
The interface is the set top box like a Tivo or a cable tuner.
On the other hand, Apple's current stuff in terms of both remotes and onscreen menus are nothing to brag about. Both are "simplified" to the point of being crippled. Real remotes might be ugly because they actually allow you do something and expose features that Apple just tries to ignore.
Then there's a whole world of universal remote hurt that your post doesn't even address. That's a whole industry spanning mess that Apple has no ability to influence.
Don't cut yourself Balmer
"Edge cases" are exactly what an OS is supposed to be able to deal with.
The user or an incompetent programmer can always do something stupid. When this happens, it should not bring the whole system down. It's no longer 1984.
The system is there to be a gatekeeper, to manage resources , and to sensibly deal with problems including inept and malicious users.
Been there, did that.
...and oddly enough I found neither word nor excel particularly impressive when compared to it's rivals. This persistent myth that the competitors were "just crap" is nonsense. It's something made up to cover the real reason for the success of Microsoft userland apps (which was mostly a strange pro-monpoly attitude prevalent in corprorate America at the time).
Word 2 better than any version of WP? That's just silly.
Also, stuff in Windows didn't run so much as it crawled as it really needed more memory than was common at the time. A suitable amount of RAM was quite expensive in those days. It's an easy detail to forget and an easy one to miss when you are playing around with emulation on a modern machine.
Turned off printers...
Sounds like you need a cron job or the Windows/MacOS equivalent.
Just have it print something on the first of the month just to keep the print heads servicable.
It's like driving a car every so often to keep it from rusting out inside. Except computers can be automated.
The big picture.
While I can certainly see how cost per print might be a consideration, I think it is a little short sighted. A photo printer should above all produce excellent results. Cost should be a secondary consideration. If you are concerned about per page costs, you can always have another printer for that.
Something to be more concerned about is perhaps how certain HP AIO devices don't allow for network printing in Windows. My HP inkjet is like that.
The weakest link...
> I think if you're waiting for 'minutes' for a YouTube video to start, you must still be on dial-up
I tried to put one of my MythTV boxes on WIFI and had no end of troubles. Thought I would try to plug the AppleTV into the same TV and see if it did any better. It didn't. The knackered network clobbered it.
Your network (and the experience of any network attached device) is only going to be as strong as the weakest link in the entire network between your appliance and Apple Corp or Netflix Corp. If there is any crummy WIFI or 3G network link in the middle, you may just be out of luck.
It's not that hard really.
> not bloody geeks
There's the cry of the wounded fanboy: marginalize anyone that's not a member of the flock.
Using a game console for media streaming is very much like setting up an Apple appliance to do the same. It's really not that hard or "granny unfriendly".
Muddling doesn matter...
People are still able to use their Wii or their Xbox for the same exact things as you would buy a separate Roku or AppleTV for. Plus you've got other devices like BD players were these features are bundled in.
So it's really hard to take anything like this terribly seriously.
It sounds like some fans trying to create something that isn't really there.
Cue the Disraeli quote...
Yes.The question of cost...
The last smart TV I bought came at a price premium high enough to pay for an HTPC and it's features were inferior to an AppleTV or a Roku. You could have saved money and gotten a better result just by buying a normal TV and a decent appliance.
My current main TV has lasted through 2 generations AppleTV gear. Why be stuck in the past with an older "smart TV" that will likely get desupported to encourage you to buy a new TV?
Those that know, know better. Those that don't know, probably don't get the point at all.
Nonsense about "freetards"...
I think the only people being victimized here are those trying to get something for nothing. It seems to highlight and entirely separate problem from the one being used for FUD purposes. Google needs to ensure that it's the owner selling the app. This seems to be more a case of piracy than of malware.
Freeloaders are certainly not unique to Android. Freeloading also describes most of the activity on either of Apple's app stores.
What a hoot!
> No, the speed limits are their to indicate the maximum possible speed at which the road can be considered safe, given a perfect set of conditions.
No, not really.
The speed limit is not the engineering limit of the road by any stretch of the imagination. It's not even the engineering limit for the worst vehicle you can find.
Otherwise the pervasive speeding that goes on would cause an awful lot more accidents.
Lots of people don't actually read the article.
...otherwise they might actually know what's the objections are about rather than making up stupid false strawman arguments.
Guns versus Mobiles
...also the chances are very good that a large proportion of those gun deaths occur in locations that have already tried to heavily restrict gun ownership or outright ban it. The local drug gang is not going to pay attention to anti-gun laws when it is flaunting anti-drug laws.
More to the point...
States are independent entities and the power of the central government is intended to be limited.
So it's not really their call to begin with. (The Feds)
Raise that number a bit.
> They're called [a significant portion of] 'the over 35's
No one under 55 has any excuse for being such an inflexible idiot.
Whether or not such people "do useful things" is open for debate.
Lowering the bar.
> Why is a simple, intuitive interface bad?
It isn't. Except that's not really what we're talking about here.
No. Instead we're talking about taking that "simple intuitive interface" and getting rid of it for something more limited and less useful.
Perhaps something that emulates the interface of record players should be next.
Now here we get into one of my personal favorites that did not make the list: the Thrive.
You don't need any extra dongles that you are likely to use, you can just plug straight into the device itself. It's large enough that it can easily accommodate a real USB port and an HDMI port.
Why buy an inferior product you know you will have to buy extras for?
Having actually "been there and done that", I will say that an Apple dongle is a relatively expensive proprietary part that's easily lost and less easily replaced.
You are far better of beefing up the storage in your cameras as they were likely built without the Apple groupthink mindset and can actually be expanded. Fortunately, not everyone thinks it's folly to be able to upgrade an appliance as storage technology improves.
It is good that Apple makes neither video nor still cameras.
Dropping th ball.
> True, but there's a lot more to do with a tablet than watch video on it.
...yes and none of that really depends on the aspect ratio of the screen.
It's pretty simple: Doing video right doesn't impact general usability.
Real machines running real apps like web browsers do fine with the wide format and so do real books. About the only thing that's relevant for 4:3 is old TV shows and similarly ancient computer monitors.
it's simply not 1988 anymore.
No. ! missing the point.
We just realize that if you actually want to share something, then you can do so explicitly. You don't need some other corporation doing it for you. This isn't about being a dinosaur that doesn't want to share but understanding the low S/N ratio that will ensue. Facebook already suffers from this.
There is nothing new here, just MBAs that don't fully appreciate or understand the data processing aspects of this situation.
The United States didn't spring magically into existence in 1776. It was here before then. It was just called something else. The Victory might even still have bits of colonial timber in it.
Yeah Humpty was pushed...
...but I mainly object to the absurd idea that anyone that's in business for themselves will turn down someone's money. It doesn't matter if they're just a small part of the market, you just don't turn them away. You may not go chasing them, but you're not going to chase them away either.
Why the hate?
It's a piece of crap, that's why. Not everyone wears the same brand of blinders as you. This "we invented everything" mentality doesn't help either.
"Real multimedia" was done on other platforms before Quicktime and on even more austere hardware.
For most of us, Quicktime is at best just Apple's brand of Flash.
PVRs and streamers are different kinds of devices. Unless you're building your own box, they will have mutually exclusive features. Trying to lump them together is a bit foolish to begin with.
This is especially true since streamers have gotten so cheap. You can easily add one to whatever setup you have. The fact that you are escalating the number of devices you are dealing with is easily offset by how cheap and small they are.
Buy the PVR for it's recording features and ignore the rest. Get a cheap streamer to go with it. Don't worry about about a device that is a jack of all trades an master of none.
Nothing beats an HTPC in terms of features. This goes for both the PVR and streaming features.
Why the hate? Mindless hype of course.
Not everyone wears your brand of blinders. We don't buy into the whole "Apple invented everything" mentality and actually find it quite annoying.
"Real multimedia" was being done by competitors with lesser hardware before Quicktime.
Most people just view Quicktime as another more proprietary variation on Flash.
Windows in a bottle
> what happens if you run sliverlight on a Win XP running inside virtualbox running on Linux ?
Netflix streaming runs just fine this way actually.
I did this before the whole Quickster nonsense.
Now I just use Amazon Prime streaming minus the bother of a virtual machine.
Twisted Lemming Logic...
No. The logical thing for a "business" person to do is NOTHING.
NOTHING does not require investing any extra money.
No. They "business" person will like the status quo. They might consider hedging against future changes but they will not blow a lot of money to screw over ANY portion of their user base. All money is good money. Someone that's actually in business tends not to just flush it for no good reason.
Who really cares?
Who really cares if people try to save the films they stream from Lovefilm. They're crap. If someone is willing to put up with that, they are not great customers. They are simply too cheap and nothing you do will change that.
This is the modern equivalent of kids duping tapes between two cheap tape decks while riding next to each other on bicycles.
These people were always lost to you.
A tale of two monkeys...
it sounds like the Redhat guy chose his path. There are certainly enough Corps that hire Unix people that he could have a nice cubicle job if he really wanted one. Chances are that he doesn't like the Fortune 100 life. I could certainly understand it if he does not.
The real revisionism...
The real revisionism is to factor Apple in the same market as IBM.
It was never really a business computer. IBM entering the market really sealed Apple's fate and there's no arguing around that. Macs were just another "home computer" like Commies.
Anyone trying to claim that any 8-bit Apple was more appropriate for "work" is just on crack.
> Personally I think iLife + itunes make the difference.
Just don't let your data take a trip across another brand of computer between being recorded and being used by iMovie.
Any cheap software at BestBuy or available free as shareware can do better than iLife.
iLife is a joke for people with no clue or taste.
> Nearly everyone I know who doesn't work in IT and gets a laptop from work runs windows. Their home machines or "personally bought" laptops are Macs.
You must have a lot of rich friends. This goes double if you are on the other side of the pond.
Even if I liked MacOS, I would not touch Apple products due to poor engineering and bad ergonomics. It's too bad you can't run it on better hardware.
Most people outside of IT don't have any appreciation for "the better things" and tend to just be intolerably cheap.
Portable storage still isn't very cheap. Most mobile devices don't even have enough capacity to hold a decent sized MP3 collection. Never mind storing everything in pristine formats.
That's not even getting into the question of whether or not some random device supports the format you want to use.
There is really no reason for consumer grade drives to be this expensive. The elasticity of demand just isn't there. The fellow that mentioned "gas stations" hit the nail right on the head. This is a luxury device for digital pack rats. I suspect that the market will ultimately not bear these prices.
Unless you have a drive failing right now and don't have a spare, you can probably wait this out.
I suspect this is just a speculative bubble based on some panic buying and a lot of wishful thinking.
Time will tell...
All this article shows is that the reality distortion field has been on for a very long time.
As others have said, it was a crowded market in 1984. The idea that Apple was pushing an overpriced variant of the Apple II at that point was just sad. You can excuse Atari and Commodore for it a bit since their machines were cheap and they had not yet come out with their 68K machines.
If IBM was "failing" at this point then it was because the clones were beginning their rise.
The Apple narcissists are once again fixating on the wrong details.
Any perceived triump attributed to Apple here is statistical noise in the big picture.
The value of many
I don't think IBM ever has understood the "retail" market.
They never had to really.
Others were able to take up the slack for them.
That's the value of a platform not limited merely to a single vendor. You can have multiple companies each effectively addressing different parts of the market some of which may be mutually exclusive.
You don't have to be excluded because a computer costs you what a new pickup truck would.
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