1901 posts • joined 26 Jan 2009
Re: I thought that flogging had been banned...
> All windows 8 needed to be a contender is a proper classic shell - allow desktop by default and stop throwing us out of it when we want to run another program.
The perfect approach would have been for the device to look like an old copy of Win7 so long as you had a mouse connected or the screen vertical and have the thing switch to touch the moment you actually touched it. Use the magic of computer automation to guess what approach was best for the given situation and allow the user to easily override.
No one was clamouring for a tabletized desktop. Plenty of people were clamouring for a tablet that can be an old school desktop when needed.
"Wrong Way Peachfuzz"
Re: Windows 8 FAIL
Something like msoffice depends on the perception that everyone needs it. Once people realize that they don't need a particular iteration of Word Perfect level overkill for their personal documents, much of the reason for people to use the perceived monopoly evaporates.
Re: Windows 8 FAIL
"The OS is fine" is not really a good argument.
You can use that same type of argument with VMS, Solaris, or Linux but it's not exactly going to get you anywhere.
The "shell" is what users are going to interact with. If that sucks or doesn't adequately address their expertise with the last 10 versions of the product, then you are going to have trouble. No amount of weak excuses are going to change that.
Microsoft finally finds itself in a position where it can no longer dictate. Users now realize that they have other options and that they aren't trapped into being "DOS compatible".
This entire article is a refutation of it's premise. If things are going so well, then why do you need to engage in the cheerleading? I am pretty indifferent to the recent earnings news either way. Since I am not a stockholder in any of these companies, I don't see why I should care.
You're trying to kid yourself. That's a bad sign right there.
...and now for something completely different.
I dunno. Blowing a lot of money on something outlandish just doesn't seem that interesting. On the other hand, it is pretty trivial to max out the more common tech. All it takes is a single spindle really. What would be more interesting is seeing how easy it would be to "take it up a notch". How accessable is another level of performance above and beyond what's cheap and readily available.
There seems to be a big gap here and the interesting story I think is how you could make that gap smaller. My own SSD-free setup could probably benefit greatly from such an incremental improvement.
Re: does it matter what OS it is using in this case? Yes!
> If the purpose is to build a test lab which provides a realistic micro test environment for enterprise equipment then it is obvious that Windows Server 2003/2008 has to be in it.
Windows is for small shops that can't affort IT staff.
If you are talking "enterprise", then some form of Unix is the obvious way to go.
Re: "Windows Server is $750" - Word to the wise - a Linux server does the job better for $0
...except I don't need to use a "supported" version of RHEL.
I can just use Debian.
This a domain of computing where you don't have suffer from the "learned helplessness" of a desktop PC user.
Heathrow may be an auto-pilot only landing zone but there are still two real pilots sitting behind the yokes just in case something goes sideways.
Re: Psychologists as a measure of normal?
Psychology used to run a math department? That's a riot.
It sounds like a bunch of paper pushers overthinking something simple while simultaneously screwing it up.
Let competent people do the job. Don't discourage the student. Somehow the "educational professionals" can't manage this despite it being painfully obvious to an engineering student.
Re: Doctors caring & empathetic?
It sounds like it sucks to be a (quasi)doctor in the UK. Ha-zah for socialized medicine.
Re: Microsoft has winner - albeit a hidden one!
> Think Retail and Industrial,
Windows RT simply does not address any of the problems that commerce or industry may have with iPad or Android. Windows-on-ARM offers no advantages when compared to iPad or Android.
It is not the tablet they were looking for. That's the whole f*cking point of everyone's complaints.
A solution in search of a problem...
What solution that needs Direct3D?
There really isn't one. At that point, you are far better off using local hardware. Use something just slightly less lame and eliminate the need for some noisy monster in another room that's being forced itself to do things in the least effective way possible.
Re: @Eadon - openness selling Android
> If I was looking to get something simple for my parents to use I would go for the iPad
That's a common fallacy: that it has to be crippled to be easy. The opposite is actually true.
Developers need to be completely free to innovate on the platform. THIS is what leads to a more usable product. A more open environment is what allows the same platform to address different use cases all at the same time. It prevents a system from being "for rubes only". The tyrant is not perfect. They have missed something. They may not be agile enough to adapt quickly.
It's like communism/fascism versus capitalism. Central management will always be less effectve. The thing that gets rejected in committe might end up being your killer app.
Assuming that "rubes need an Apple device" may end up actually being a disaster.
Re: Surface Pro will also fail
"Full USB support" is no selling point for any Microsoft device. My PHONE has "full USB support". The rest of your post is similar marketing nonsense that's simply out of touch with reality. You need to step outside of the Redmond echo chamber and so does the upper management at Microsoft.
Re: Surface Pro will also fail
> It's obvious you are not aware that the Mac OS and therefore all mac os software is also based on open source code called Darwin.
People are "not aware" because Apple does it's best to hide it. It's like a Tivo. It's like a tree falling in a forrest. If no one actually hears it, is it really there?
Anything the user sees on an Apple system is strictly proprietary and is for Apple brand hardware only.
Re: Microsoft can't win
Microsoft's bread and butter is people that think they "need to be DOS compatible".
Without that, Microsoft is nothing and Windows is nothing. Microsoft has no competitive advantage in non-PC devices and everyone else has already established "ecosystems".
People were saying this about Windows-on-ARM before these devices came out and people are still saying this about Windows-on-ARM now. There's nothing mysterious or magical or hard to grasp here.
Re: 'We were big softies all the way' - Yeah, right
"We really didn't mean it" is absurd.
This was blatant blackmail and it should be thought of as such. They might as well have held a gun to the kid's head. Being a felon has all sorts of implications beyond the trip to jail.
I challenge anyone trying to trivialize the prison sentence to go spend 6 months in a US federal prison NOW.
Talk is cheap.
Re: The next
> ...and you wonder why phone OEMs lock down bootloaders and try to stop people flashing their own firmware. It is to stop this sort of publicity caused by people messing around with the OS.
This would not be a problem on my phone. I could just use an OTG cable and plug a CD drive into it.
Re: True innovation
> Unlike Android of course, built on an OS that pre-dates Windows NT.
NT is a VMS knockoff. So that means that it is no spring chicken either.
Re: Windows is the wrong tool for the job
Linux is better up to the task because it is a better server OS and is more flexible. If you wanted to get all PHB about the situation you could replace AIX with Linux and still end up with something that won't cause professionals to snicker behind your back.
Windows is for small businesses that can't afford IT staff.
Re: Have you tried Win 8 with a mouse
> window move requires an application to respond to a move event before the move happens, resulting in freezing
...which they could refactor by using the BeOS "thread everything" approach or by using the X11 approach of having a separate window manager. Bad apps wet themselves but the rest of the system chugs happily along.
Although that's the PROGRAMMER's interface rather than the USER's interface.
So bringing that up is a big of a red herring.
That's like saying you can't build something like Cinnamon because you went from GNOME2 to GNOME3.
Re: Have you tried Win 8 with a mouse
> Because most of the improvements under the bonnet come from clearing out cruft related to the previous UI decisions.
That's just gibberish. What's underneath has nothing to do with the UI. You can still have the old UI with the allegedly better internals.
Your comment rates right up there with IE4 being inseparable from Windows.
Re: There isn't enough porn in the world.
> Even a hardened downloader would struggle passed 10 - 20 TB?
Take what an American spends on cable. Apply it to spinny media and streaming downloads.
In about 6 years you will pass the 10TB mark.
Re: You forgot the freetard community....
You are confused.
The OS of choice for thieves is Windows. Windows is the pirates paradise. Always has been.
If you hang out with the "freetards" you run the risk of bumping into someone that's a stickler for licensing.
Re: The rights man, the rights
> True, but how much of it do you actually go back and watch even once?
That's a separate issue. Even if I only watch something once, it will be a much better experience if it is coming from my own media horde, on my own high speed network, using my own chosen player.
Since it's under my control, I have all the time in the world to get around to it. I will never have to worry that someone's licensed expired. I won't have to ever deal with network outages or bandwidth caps.
Space is cheap. Content is also cheap.
Re: Everyone likes computers until they only come with Windows
Microsoft dominance of desktop computers is why tablets seem so appealing to the common man.
Apple gave up declaring that their PC fixes the problems of the WinDOS PC once they discovered that they got much more traction by taking the same approach with tablets. They no longer had to fight 30 years of mindless Lemming troll FUD.
Tablets seem new enough that people can get past their old computing fears.
Meanwhile 5 year old PCs continue to chug along and run circles around ARM devices when it's time to actually compute something or do work.
Re: One reason to buy...
You laugh but I already do this sort of thing with my truck.
Sooner or later, there's bound to be a 1TB one in there. It's just a matter of time. The one that's there now would have been considered science fiction when some of the files on it were originally created.
> Probably because it's such old news that no one really cares...
Of course it's "old". It goes all the way back to the first time Apple's name meant something.
IBM triggered something that would marginalize Apple for the next 20 years still seems to still be a menace to Apple despite an apparent surrender. There's more to tech than what a modern feeble attention span can manage to focus on.
I'm surprised no one has yet pointed out the fact that Lenovo is in fact the re-animated corpse of the IBM PC division. It's a Zombie version of IBM that seems poised to smack down Apple.
Seems kind of hilarious really, especially since HP was going to jettison it's PC division too.
I have gotten 100MB/s out of my wired GigE network. That was driven by a single big-but-cheap spinny disk.
Your spinny disk is the real bottleneck, not the external storage bus.
Re: i hope the store crashes and burns then i hope the ashes crash as well
Given what generally tends to be in "app stores", that's not much of a tragedy.
RHEL is meant to run kilobuck commercial software with similarly expensive support contracts. They aren't your casual sort of end user thing. Contracts and haggling are involved.
Lack of access to Adware versions of things that are better as user compiled Free Software is not such a tragedy.
What's the matter? All of the ARM fanboys like to claim how powerful new models of ARM CPUs are.
If ARM is really all that then it certainly can handle a little emulation.
It may not be good enough for T2F or WoW but it should be fine for those legacy office apps.
Sometimes people need to do some work and excuses aren't going to get the job done.
Re: well thats a surprise
There is nothing reliable about Windows.
Once you've got things set up so that your box is booting straight into your app, ease and complexity are no longer a factor. You might even be using the exact same app.
Unix tends to be much better at staying in place and is much more maleable beforehand.
Re: They did a similar thing
You should have seen that one coming a mile away and just ripped everything.
Re: well thats a surprise
Operating one PVR versus another is not the issue. They are all appliances once you've built them. The problem is buidling them and using monopolyware is no gaurantee that things will be trouble free.
It's like building any PC. YMMV. Your tuner may be unsupported (even in WMC) or your remote make have all sorts of problems (even in Windows).
My multi-room setup isn't even supported in WMC.
I have seen exactly ONE media center machine in the wild.
It was being sold by the local uber-geek computer shop. It came with a DVD carousel too. Only time I ever saw that in the wild either. It was an expensive beast that made me glad I opted for a ripper based alternative.
People not knowing about MCE is a little like people not knowing about Archos media players and pre-iPad tablet PCs. You can't blame people for not knowing about that which is not advertised or available in OEM form.
Now that I think about it, it's a tad like Linux. '-p
Re: yet more pseduo-news with a ridiculous headline
It really is "that big a deal".
It's disruptive to the people that stuff want/need to get stuff done.
The "features" are largely irrelevant.
As with GNOME, you simply don't need to break the old stuff to add new stuff. It's shameless incompetence all around.
Re: Plex as a client?
I have a Plex server running on my master backend (MythTV).
It runs as well there as it does anywhere. Same challenges and quirks as running on a Mac or a Windows PC.
Modern digital TV uses the same codecs as DVDs. There's really no getting around supporting DVD playback in a PVR. You can skip the DVD navigation stuff and the CSS decryption stuff. However, the "meat" of the DVD format is unavoidable.
Also, selling the end user half a solution just makes the result a usability nightmare.
It's far better to build a complete product and charge extra for it if necessary.
Although based on all of the noise that gets directed at Linux, any modern OS is supposed to be able to handle DVD playback and BluRay playback and Quicktime playback all without any placing any burdens on the end user.
Excuses for the Tyrannt
It costs ~ $20 per year to provide guide data for users of non-commercial PVR apps. Instead of just being a jerk and cutting everyone off, Microsoft could have just done what the "hobbyists" have done and provided a means for current users to continue to get data.
They could even charge money for it.
One simply does not need to be the biggest jerk possible. You don't need to abuse "minorities".
> it's a matter of opinion. I miss slides, and so do my friends. There's no magic in watching digital photos, all 10 billion of them, on a computer screen. Even as "large" as 27 inch or so.
This is 2013. Display them on your telly. Buy an Apple streamer if you have to.
There's really no reason to be limited to a 27 inch monitor anymore.
> However if you've never seen a quality slide esp. 2.25" square blown up to 4m * 4m they you haven't seen a photographic image.
Meh. Just use a video projector. Plug it into your WMC box if you have too.
Re: Thank goodness I don't have kids
I take the other side of the argument. Apple fans like to crow about how Apple products are somehow a sign of wealth and affluence and that competing products are a demonstration of the reverse.
....well if that's really so then these kids should be able to just BUY their own Apple devices.
Then there are hand-me-downs to consider. There are generations of iThings out there now.
Re: I have to say..
Being given an Apple product is like being given a pamphlet for a religious cult.
In order to use it, you have to buy into a whole set of other nonsense that you just may not be interested in.
The whole "ecosystem" argument cuts both ways.
No. This is all clueless conspicuous consumers that can't be bothered to actually know anything about the people they are buying gifts for. Throwing money at the problem is no cure for being thoughtless.
Confusing money with love...
The point here is that your relatives should have a clue. They should know you and consider that when shopping for you. What they come up with should not show a complete lack of regard for who you are or what you like.
Wasting a lot of money on something that the recipient really doesn't want is just a big demonstration of your own stupidity and shallowness.
Better a trivial bauble that shows a bit of thought.
Re: And there was me...
Someone has to play the role of the Duke of Milan. Otherwise stuff doesn't get built for lack of funding.
Re: Wounded fanboy
> Gosh, I must have imagined all those Firewire based video cameras that dominated the market from about 1999 to 2009?
It's 2013 now. If you have to bring up the past and then EXAGGERATE it, then you are only proving my point.
Firewire was already pretty effectively marginalized by 2009 even in video cameras.
Firewire simply lost. Get over it. It seemed like a better technology once. However, the market moved in another direction. It's time to stop living in the past. It's time to stop pretending that you're some sort of artist.
Thunderbolt certainly has some challenges when compared to Firewire. Firewire failed in the market and it didn't have nearly the cost gap as Thunderbolt has against it's rivals.
Re: Great idea!
Got a router, TV, BluRay player, Cable box, PVR, or PHONE.
Then you already have Linux.
Linux is already quite "mainstream". It just hasn't displaced WinDOS.
Once you ditch legacy WinDOS apps anything is possible. Although chances are that the future vision of this concept will be based on x86 chips because corporations simply can't get over their Windows habit.
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