1865 posts • joined 26 Jan 2009
Re: They did a similar thing
You should have seen that one coming a mile away and just ripped everything.
Re: well thats a surprise
Operating one PVR versus another is not the issue. They are all appliances once you've built them. The problem is buidling them and using monopolyware is no gaurantee that things will be trouble free.
It's like building any PC. YMMV. Your tuner may be unsupported (even in WMC) or your remote make have all sorts of problems (even in Windows).
My multi-room setup isn't even supported in WMC.
Re: Thank goodness I don't have kids
I take the other side of the argument. Apple fans like to crow about how Apple products are somehow a sign of wealth and affluence and that competing products are a demonstration of the reverse.
....well if that's really so then these kids should be able to just BUY their own Apple devices.
Then there are hand-me-downs to consider. There are generations of iThings out there now.
Re: I have to say..
Being given an Apple product is like being given a pamphlet for a religious cult.
In order to use it, you have to buy into a whole set of other nonsense that you just may not be interested in.
The whole "ecosystem" argument cuts both ways.
No. This is all clueless conspicuous consumers that can't be bothered to actually know anything about the people they are buying gifts for. Throwing money at the problem is no cure for being thoughtless.
Confusing money with love...
The point here is that your relatives should have a clue. They should know you and consider that when shopping for you. What they come up with should not show a complete lack of regard for who you are or what you like.
Wasting a lot of money on something that the recipient really doesn't want is just a big demonstration of your own stupidity and shallowness.
Better a trivial bauble that shows a bit of thought.
Re: yet more pseduo-news with a ridiculous headline
It really is "that big a deal".
It's disruptive to the people that stuff want/need to get stuff done.
The "features" are largely irrelevant.
As with GNOME, you simply don't need to break the old stuff to add new stuff. It's shameless incompetence all around.
Re: Plex as a client?
I have a Plex server running on my master backend (MythTV).
It runs as well there as it does anywhere. Same challenges and quirks as running on a Mac or a Windows PC.
Modern digital TV uses the same codecs as DVDs. There's really no getting around supporting DVD playback in a PVR. You can skip the DVD navigation stuff and the CSS decryption stuff. However, the "meat" of the DVD format is unavoidable.
Also, selling the end user half a solution just makes the result a usability nightmare.
It's far better to build a complete product and charge extra for it if necessary.
Although based on all of the noise that gets directed at Linux, any modern OS is supposed to be able to handle DVD playback and BluRay playback and Quicktime playback all without any placing any burdens on the end user.
Excuses for the Tyrannt
It costs ~ $20 per year to provide guide data for users of non-commercial PVR apps. Instead of just being a jerk and cutting everyone off, Microsoft could have just done what the "hobbyists" have done and provided a means for current users to continue to get data.
They could even charge money for it.
One simply does not need to be the biggest jerk possible. You don't need to abuse "minorities".
Re: And there was me...
Someone has to play the role of the Duke of Milan. Otherwise stuff doesn't get built for lack of funding.
Re: Wounded fanboy
> Gosh, I must have imagined all those Firewire based video cameras that dominated the market from about 1999 to 2009?
It's 2013 now. If you have to bring up the past and then EXAGGERATE it, then you are only proving my point.
Firewire was already pretty effectively marginalized by 2009 even in video cameras.
Firewire simply lost. Get over it. It seemed like a better technology once. However, the market moved in another direction. It's time to stop living in the past. It's time to stop pretending that you're some sort of artist.
Thunderbolt certainly has some challenges when compared to Firewire. Firewire failed in the market and it didn't have nearly the cost gap as Thunderbolt has against it's rivals.
Re: > Am I right in thinking this gives direct memory access to remote devices?
Excuses don't negate security issues.
If extra speed comes at a cost you aren't willing to take, then it doesn't matter how fast it is.
Re: Great idea!
Got a router, TV, BluRay player, Cable box, PVR, or PHONE.
Then you already have Linux.
Linux is already quite "mainstream". It just hasn't displaced WinDOS.
Once you ditch legacy WinDOS apps anything is possible. Although chances are that the future vision of this concept will be based on x86 chips because corporations simply can't get over their Windows habit.
Re: @Mark Shuttleworth: Comments Of An Ubuntu User
So you make money by being on the leading edge. You make money selling early access to that. You provide a well tested system. You have the fastest response time with fixes. You provide useful enhancements.
Being the reference platform for Steam should be worth something.
Being the reference platform for Oracle is worth something to Red Hat and Suse.
If you think you can't make money with GPL./Linux then you just aren't cut out for this stuff.
Re: We don't mind bugs.
What Apple innovated was CHEAP.
Tablets were not CHEAP until the iPad came along.
This wasn't about "usability" or the "walled garden", this was about CHEAP.
No one wanted $2000 tablets. Many of us fixated on the notion of an x86 Apple tablet gravely misjudged what the iPad would be. We were thinking MacOS tablet rather than a scaled up iPod (like the Archos 9).
CHEAP is what tablets have going for them. This greatly reduces the risks involved in trying something new. It can be a total bust and you aren't really out much.
Re: A good question
> Canonical is well known for making practical concessions to the reality of big box retail like the licensing of H,264.
So that's why Mint gained so much traction by installing things like h264 support "out of the box"?
Your portrayal of Canonical is divorced from reality.
Re: A good question
> Beyond tradition, is there any reason why an OS search field shouldn't also search the internet?
The further you get from a register in the microprocessor, the slower things get. The slowness grows by multiple orders of magnitude each time you move outward. By the time you get to an ethernet jack or wireless antenna, you've gotten to a snail's pace and high response times (latency).
Go beyond your own router and it only gets worse.
The privacy violations are just an added bonus.
They're still troll-ish.
No. They're just base and crass for other reasons.
Universities are supposed to help improve the state of the art. They aren't supposed to be another form of bridge troll. They're supposed to be the counterpoint to companies that don't do anything without getting their proverbial palms greased.
Academics like to claim to be above such things.
Re: Well there's a surprise
More likely you've got a split between n00bs and power users and both are cost conscious once you get beyond Apple users. Both netbooks and ultrabooks fail to compete against tablets on the lowend and more powerful laptops on the high end.
PC users probably aren't interested in the expensive shiny shiny that an ultrabook represents.
It's almost like PC users remain PC users because they aren't interested in the options Apple offers.
Re: Ultrabooks with "premium specs"
> My Sun 3 in mid '80s had a 1152x900 monitor on it.
It also was generally not purchased by individuals and was more than an expensive car.
That was probably also just a Mono monitor.
You're not the only person that used SunOS in the 80s.
Re: If they do
What you are talking about was an overpriced DESKTOP monitor. It wasn't even terribly common.
This is LAPTOPS we're talking about here. They are different beasts for obvious reasons.
Some of us REMEMBER this stuff firsthand and don't have to grope Google for it.
Re: they came with Linux to keep the price down
> But what actually happened to force Windows on the market was people bringing back 'broken' netbooks to the shop in droves
This is just FUD that was never really substantiated by anyone including the alleged source.
Re: sad to see them die
When netbooks were first introduced, they included hardware on which XP would not run.
Subsequent XP netbooks were more powerfully equipped. Linux netbooks often weren't upgraded.
So any preferences there aren't purely about the operating system.
Re: I still don't get…
> I really don't understand the 'war' between Apple device and Linux users.
Apple and Linux representing diametrically opposed design philosophies.
Calling Apple products "Unix derived" ignores most of the defining qualities of Unix. Here it is useful to distinguish between kernels and the user level interfaces. Linux isn't just Linux. It's also GNU. Whereas MacOS is a proprietary interface that's bolted on top. Any kernel could be under there.
It's Linux that has a Unix interface bolted on top of it.
Get beyond that and you have "why not" versus "justify yourself".
If you are the least bit creative, you will find Apple has put barriers in your way and you will find the Apple user community belittling you and what you want to do.
MacOS is not Unix. Neither is PhoneOS.
The Lemming fixation with startup times....
...it's like Windows users don't do anything else with their machines but start the OS and start applications.
Are they constantly crashing or something? Otherwise that metric should be pretty meaningless in 2012.
Also, Windows has a nasty habit of appearing to be started but not being really terribly useful. So these startup metrics can be intentionally misleading. They're a bad thing to judge anything on.
When is it useful?
1998 is calling...
> The one thing that unix does well is 1982.
So that's why it's in your phone, in your tablet, in your TV, in your cable box, in your BluRay player, in your PVR, at your bank, managing your paycheck?
The entire article is silly troll bait. Linux is already in tablets. It's presence will likely blunt Windows.
Re: Never again
This tech hasn't been around long enough to be "time tested". It needs to be handled accordingly. Thus, I always check the end user reviews and see what products may be a bad egg (and avoid those).
At this point, reliability seems to be a bigger problem than speed.
So speed focused reviews are less interesting. At this point I don't care so much whether or not one of these can keep up with on of my spinny disk arrays.
Re: Netflix and alternative platforms...
Prosecute the victim.
If Netflix is just building on Silverlight then there's a good chance that it is their suppliers like Microsoft that are the real patent violators here. Netflix just seems to be using someone else's software. They aren't the real "violator" here.
Given the history of this sort of thing, the timing and choice of target seems suspicious here. This case should have been filed sooner and probably against Apple rather than Netflix.
Such a dual port scheme would also allow you to use expansion products for your Apple devices while also being able to charge your device. You wouldn't be left in a situation where you can't really fully take advantage of all your doodads because you'll run out of power.
Sometimes I wonder if those blindly devoted to Apple do much of anything with their overpriced tokens of conspicuous consumption.
"I only buy Monster brand cables"
> and everyone with an Apple hate on can fry their expensive gear with five dollar adapters to their heart's content.
Why would that happen?
I suppose you're a big fan of Monster cables too.
So are you seriously excusing Apple behaving like a spoiled toddler just because people here speak their mind?
That right there is the best reason to avoid Apple then.
Apple products are designed in "The Peoples Republic of California".
It's not just a proprietary format. It's Microsoft's own proprietary format that idiots like you helped them force on the rest of us. Now that we all have data in these formats, Microsoft (and by extension you) are just giving a big f*ck you to all of us.
THIS is why you avoid proprietary formats to begin with.
Crassus Maximus could decide to stop supporting the tools necessary for you to use your own data.
The legacy support issue is quite separate from the question of whether or not MIcrosoft has really given up on vendor lock for newly created documents.
Oh the huge-manate!
What you've described sounds more like old school copyright working as it should.
Copyright terms weren't absurd. New artists weren't shaken down by the old ones that are trying to live off of the labor they did 20 years ago.
It would be far easier to manage "what is owned" if every worthless scrap of paper isn't assumed to be some masterpiece meant for publishing and exploitation.
Pedestrian users with no imagination.
> II beg to differ... many people use PVRs to watch weekly broadcasts at times convenient to them, and then delete them.
....which is still best done with more capacity rather than less. More capacity means that there is a large window between when you record something and when it is likely to be culled to make room for something else. More capacity means that you can go on holiday and not have to worry about your favorite show being there when you return.
Modern TV recordings are BIG and there's no longer an option to tweak quality settings to get more storage out of a small PVR.
Puny PVRs also make it harder to juggle the interests of multiple people on the off chance that you aren't someone that lives alone (family, roommates).
Sometimes you fight the battles you can win. It might make sense to secure the entire cabin but we know that won't happen on a civilian flight. People will get their panties in a bunch over a minor inconvenience.
That's all this really is. It just took this long for someone sufficiently powerful to run afoul of this particular rule.
Some senator was inconvenienced, so now suddenly things much change.
If you can't be unplugged long enough for a plan to get into the air then you really need to be unplugged for purely therapeutic reasons.
Reminds me of a certain recent Dr Who episode... Upgrades!
Re: Few use the "smart" features of smart TVs
>> someone claims that streaming Netflix makes a TV a "smart TV" I'll preemptively disagree. ... - you're still using your TV as a TV.
>Which replaces using your Windows PC as a TV.
Nope. A Roku doesn't quite manage that. Neither does an AppleTV. Both represent pre-alpha releases of what a PC was capable of doing 6 years ago. That's why those of us prone to using PCs with our TVs are not stopping any time soon.
We are demanding early adopters. We won't eat dirt. We might even pay a premium that "normal" people would refuse.
That's why there will always be a place for something that's not an appliance. That's what caused the rise of the PC to begin with. (people needed/wanted more)
A large number of things are being lumped together her just to manufacture a number that's troll bait. They're not equivalent or interchangeable. The only bits that really are are the Macs and PCs. The rest is just silly spin, "statistics", and wishful thinking.
Although the idea that computing is more than just "secretary terminals" is hardly a new idea. So there is nothing new or shocking in these cooked numbers. They're really nothing to get excited about because nothing has actually changed.
Phones can now be conflated with desktop PCs but that doesn't alter the big picture much.
Even if consumers get broken out of their "must be DOS compatible" mindset, you still have to worry about apps and legacy apps especially. "Work" will probably still require terminals.
> You lack imagination and an understanding of how to make technology work
No. He just realizes that a toaster isn't a computer. He realizes that many devices being conflated with general purpose computers are extremely limited in functionality or usefulness and aren't being bought primarily for their computing characteristics.
They are PCs masquerading as appliances. Why contradict the manufacturer?
I would love to see Microsoft knocked down a peg as much as the next Linux Zealot but I would rather not be so obviously delusional about it.
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The music industry had an entirely different marketing model and did not already have entrenched encumbents that were complete vertical monopolies including distribution to the consumer.
Someone else already brought up the problem of trying to sell Pay Per View to people that view the BBC as free.
Re: If it looks like a computer....
> So your average retired grandmother is going to get a Linux computer up and running on a TV is she?
Why not? All she has to do is plug it in.
It's not 1990.
Re: I don't want a smart TV.
> Nobody forces you to buy a Smart TV.
Therefore all ethics and morality and LAW should be ignored?
Will you still feel the same way when you are arrested because your technology is running amok and engaging in highly illegal acts on your behalf?
Standard units for storage? Try these:
CD -> 800M
DVD9 -> 9G
BD35 -> 35G
So a kBD would be just shy of 4TB.
I use 35G for the BD because of the prevalence of BD videos between 25-35G. Never seen one where the main title uses up the full 50G (or even 40G).
Re: Copycat Microsoft
You know that application that actually makes an AppleTV useful?
You do realize what the first 2 letters of it stands for don't you?
Re: Three Thoughts
Your "clear purpose" there is missing a few things.
An AppleTV really does very little to get the content from your PC onto your TV. It's a lot better if you jailbreak it but who really wants to bother with that. It's the sort of thing that seems more appropriate for Linux users than Apple users and the Linux users are already using MythTV.
Microsoft realizing that the "computing appliance" that plays games can also be a "video appliance" is rather obvious actually.
The first Xbox WAS a PC. This point is especially obvious if you've ever seen the original Xbox dev kit.
It's a concept that might not play well to blithering Apple fanboys (or Linux Zealots) but that doesn't seem to be hurting the concept any.
Re: I wanted one of these
> My Win7 Acer Aspire Revo, which was less than half the price, is a bit underpowered for high-res video. And its HDMI support is patchy.
A Revo is more than capable of handling high-res video. The Nvidia GPU does all the work.
It can happily even play BluRays. That's about as rough as you're going to get in terms of high-res video.
It's stuff like Hulu and Amazon Prime that an ION box won't be able to handle (due to the weak CPU).
A pretty superficial review...
As an HTPC, there's just a little bit more than having a cable that connects to your TV. The fact that the machine is tiny may or may not make a difference depending on your setup. You might actually want a larger machine for better heat dissipation or a better GPU. How it interacts with the rest of your AV gear is important.
Talking heads like to beat this particular dead horse but I don't think any of them actually put Macs through their paces in this area.
I used to use Minis as HTPCs before it was trendy.
It doesn't matter who you try to redirect the blame at. This sort of thing should have not made it out of QA in Cupertino.
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