1525 posts • joined Monday 26th January 2009 18:23 GMT
I've tried to use the MBA as well as other current Apple products.
Anything with an Apple keyboard attached simply sucks great big donkey balls.
I've had durable and reliable laptops from PC vendors before. I realize that they aren't some myth. I also realize that Apple hardware breaks too. I've seen it for myself. Usability and capability would come first, then followed by the things that Apple users value.
So it is little surprise that what might go over well in the Apple enclave might not work so well for the rest of the market.
We've already done that netbook thing already.
Re: iPads in the enterprise
Quite. Effective use of tablets for "serious work" seem to center about their media consumption capabilities. If you have a business task that can be described in those Quicktime-esque terms then you're good. Beyond that, you should not drink the kool-aid so much.
Re: Really? I would never have guessed!
If you can really fend for yourself, then that's all well and good. Except you can't. You will inevitably get to the point where you need to be bailed out by the exact same people who's advice you decided to ignore.
Those of us with a clue will have to clean up after you like a nanny chasing a toddler.
It's the form factor, not the CPU.
The problem is not the processor. It's the form factor. The "mouse-only" approach only gets you so far. So does the fact that this virtual mouse is also embedded into the display and the fact that the display itself is pretty small.
There are many things to criticize there. A different tablet might also be more useful just as all old school graphics terminals aren't all created equal. I would hiss at a '94 era PC setup just as loudly as I would an iPad.
Re: @Dazed and Confused
No. It's not the same as with an HDD. A HDD with an error is still mostly usable. You can at least do data recovery against it. A bad SSD is just a brick.
Seriously. It's enough of a difference that some of us have to worry about destroying spinny disks when disposing of old ones.
Re: They won't fall to that ever.
Not only is SSD gravely more expensive, but there simply aren't any SSD drives to match the larger spinny disks.
It's hard to eviscerate your rivals when you don't even offer any sort of replacement product.
Lame and Lamer.
> Intel drivers are not good enough even to play Super Meat Boy.
Intel GPUs are not good enough to even play "Super Meat Boy". The quality of the driver doesn't matter so much.
It's AMD is where good kit goes wrong with bad drivers (on Linux).
Nvidia GPUs of various kinds and price points are very respectable on Linux.
Re: Idiot managers should cut prices and release huge disks now!
Drive capacities have stagnated. That's a fact. They could drive new sales by pushing the boundaries a bit. They could finally release their 4TB drives in retail packaging and push the upper bound a little higher.
Wouldn't hurt to improve sequential r/w performance either.
Re: Seagate Schmeegate
Their winter of crapulence was like 3 years ago. Seagate had their time and took their knocks. Now it's time to move on and stop living in the past and actually make comments based on recent information.
Seagate's aren't so bad now. What worries me now are SSDs that die suddenly with no warning.
Re: Still A Tasty Profit Margin
Intel? Are you kidding? They aren't just the poster-boy for cartels. They're the poster-boy for monpolies.
Software has a marginal production cost of ZERO. So that's a bad example too.
The proof is in the pudding
Clearly, if the peanut gallery only sees iThings being used as oversized iPods then they are obviously justified in calling iThings as overpriced toys for suburbanites with money to burn and a need to show off to the neighbors.
You don't get to depend on wishful thinking regarding your particular brand fetish.
It has to prove itself yet and that simply not happened yet.
PhoneOS "sales" are irrelevant when compared to Windows. Lumping them in with MacOS sales to give yourself some sort of ego boost is simply out of touch with reality.
I tried to give a Mac to the missus. The "oddness" of it still put her off. She ended up going back to Windows because of obscure Windows-only apps that none of you've ever heard of.
She was less bothered by Linux but Apple doesn't play nice with it (iPhone).
It's not the big brand names that are a problem. It's the obscure stuff for industries you may never even have heard of that will be the big problem.
Re: If only a quality, user friendly Linux distro was available...
> User friendliness - or lack thereof - in whatever
> Linux distro be your preference is probably the
> biggest contributing factor that Windows
> managed to get as entrenched in the nineties
Idiot. WinDOS was already entrenched in the 80s. The die was already cast. Linux was a reaction to Microsoft already being a dominanting and stiffling force in the industry.
DOS made VMS look easy. No one cared about easy. Otherwise they would run Macs. They were all worried about Lotus123 or AutoCAD or the latest version of Civ.
Re: If only a quality, user friendly Linux distro was available...
...you mean people would just ignore the gadjillion apps that only exist for Windows?
"User friendly" was never the problem. Apple proved that.
Re: Apple treated differently than Microsoft.
A lot more Linux machines didn't even notice the whole Leap second thing.
No one in my shop thought to even be concerned about it until the net.rumours started coming in.
Re: if we hate both Apple and Microsoft
> Still be thankfull their technology and competition result
> in the fact that you can buy such advanced hardware for
> such reasonable price today to run your penguin thingy on it.
What competition? There's only x86. There used to be things like PPC and Alpha and 68K that wiped the floor with Intel crap. Getting my first PC was actually a step down as x86 is a primitive kludge in some ways. It was an archaic design when it was created and it accumulated more cruft over the years.
I'm glad to see another microprocessor option for a change.
That's funny because my older Macs are doorstops.
Whereas my older PCs are better supported by commercial developers and can be upgraded. I can use a cruddy old Compaq to replace a shiny and new Mac simply because the cruddy old Compaq has a video slot.
Stop swimming in the kool-aid. There are a few of us with enough money to know better and call you out on it.
Macs are just PCs with the same spare parts built in the same Foxconn factories. If anything, Apple designs are more problematic because they are prone to cook themselves. Being tiny and having no fan doesn't come for free.
A Windows terminal really isn't that far removed from an X Terminal or even a real VT-220.
All of those are much more alike than any of them are to a "nothing but a mouse" kind of interface that tablets are.
Sooner or later, you will need to type something.
> I often do and I'm a DBA.
I seriously doubt it.
Re: @AC: "Linux kernel Retro"
Your example is meaningless.
Linux is modular and very configurable.
You don't need to be limited to Ubuntu's build options.
Just got to System76 or your local version of same.
No need to bother with any more of Dell's empty promises. Go to a proper Linux vendor.
Trying to fail...
All I've ever done is boot the MacOS installer disk to reset the boot options and partition types and just go happily on my way. Having a PC style boot menu and config screen would be nice but isn't strictly necessary.
It's a little bothersome but you don't have to actually 'crack" anything.
You're the idiot talking straight out of your nether regions.
ALL of those systems allowed for full control of the hardware and for you to boot any OS of your choosing. You are trying to conflate the ownership of the BIOS code with a regime that prevents the end user from running any OS you like.
There have always been alternate operating systems. The field for PC based operating systems used to be actually rather competitive. There have also been complete or partial replacements for the system software in systems like the Amiga or Atari ST.
The first Linux user I ever encountered ran it on a Falcon.
You're either stupid or a shameless liar.
ARM is just another microprocessor like PPC or 68k or Sparc or Alpha.
ARM doesn't mean Tivo.
Re: I already have a virus-free up-to-date OS
Android has some Trojans. Compared to Windows, that's still pretty virus free.
The key here is always what's your viral infection vector if any? It's not the virus, it's the gaping security hole that it sneaks through.
Re: The GPU is where it's at and Intel GPUs are crap
> and all Intel CPUs (as of HD3000) handle blu-ray and other 1080p content perfectly.
I've heard empty promises like that before. It's like the year of Desktop Linux.
So my argument is hardly nonsensical.
Some of us actually use this stuff rather than just talk about it.
Re: Hold on...
If you don't think the overpriced Unix machines don't have their own single points of failure, you've simply not had enough experience in this industry.
This is just an attempt to discourage consumers from buying from companies that aren't under Microsoft's thumb. White box vendor means someone that's not afraid of losing bulk discounts on Windows licenses.
Overclocking is an entirely separate issue.
Re: Not just java...
Yeah. What problem?
My two multi-core machines that run mysql were not effected.
Also, none of the machines at the office were impacted.
If not for these hysterics in the press it would never have occurred to me that leap seconds are anything to worry about at all.
Re: 'Far too many religious nutjobs' indeed
Allowing Gays to marry is nothing more than "equality under the law", "the right of contract", and "separation of Church and State".
Add in a little "mind your own business" for good measure.
All of these are core American values even if Washington or Adams might be horrified by the idea of two guys getting married. They would probably be equally horrified at a Catholic and an Anglican getting married.
Religion and Liberty are orthogonal. Following your conscience and imposing it on others are two entirely different things. One does not require the other unless you are a theocrat.
Re: The PC market will disappear in a few years
The graphic is just silly. It's like when fanboys brag about how they own the "over $1000" market. Of course they do because the vast majority of the market is at lower price points. An Ultrabook is like a netbook but with a bigger price tag. Ditch the minaturization and you can get a lot more bang for your buck.
So there is a lot less need to pay that much for your laptop unless you are trying to press the light and thin aspect to the exclusion of all else.
$700? I am not sure I would pay that much for a PC laptop. Just like a $1000 PC.
No real panacea...
When I first heard about this idea, there was also this little detail about the various countries in the EU being treated like children and being forced to run their budgets through the federal government.
That is not quite like how the US runs things. States are autonomous and run their own affairs. There's even supposed to be limits on what the Federal Government can do. Basically, it's supposed to be there for things of an "international" nature.
Mapping the US structure to Europe would not stop the Greeks or the Spanish from doing things their own way. If you tried this "the feds must approve your budget" idea in the US, you would likely get a 2nd Civil War.
Re: And therein lies the problem...
Microsoft was trying to sell $2000 laptops and $50,000 tables.
They simply weren't targeting the consumer in an environment where normal PCs are already DIRT CHEAP. A useful and usable PC can still be had for as little as $300. It's hard for a $2000 tablet or hybrid to compete in that kind of environment.
Although once you need to actually "compute" something, both these $300 PCs and $600 tablets are woefully inadequate.
An Aston Martin design "protected"?
You really don't know squat about cars.
The only part on an Aston Martin that is protected are the trademarks. That's how it should be.
I saw a Bentley this morning that had a very forgettable design.
Real work versus nonsense.
Well, actual engineering requires that you can build something that actually works. You have to deal with the laws of physics, and the constraint of costs, and of current technology while also dealing with what clueless people will have to use it. You have to consider things like it might fall apart or catch fire.
Doodling something on a napkin is beyond trivial in comparison.
"Design" does not take as much effort.
Are you seriously trying to imply that people buy this thing without knowing what it is?
Even if that is the case, they can still RETURN IT.
What everyone is really saying here is that Apple doesn't have any thing that distinguishes itself. The best it can do is compete on looks. There are no real substantive differences. There's no real reason for someone to buy an Apple product.
Otherwise, the fact that the Samsung device is a copy cat is meaningless.
Either the Apple product is good enough to compete on it's own merits or not. If it's good enough, the legal dirty tricks are simply unnecessary. Although they quite nicely demonstrate just what kind of scum Apple is. Just in case anyone had been duped into believing otherwise.
Sounds rather like a homework assignment from the class that teaches you about Turing Machines.
People tend to forget that this stuff exists in the total absence of any hardware.
Re: The hard sell
...which leads us again to the sort of "chick" that you see in this video. You end up with someone that fits into the Glamour or Cosmo mold but just happens to be a terribly geeky doctor.
You end up with Dr. Isles, Queen of the Dead.
"Feminist fashion magazines" are what really set the tone here, not mysoginists or brogrammers.
The tyrant is gratuitous
You don't need the walled garden nonsense. Your false sense of security is equally attainable with Apple's computer products and they don't enforce any fascist platform restrictions. It's only the crapulence of Microsoft that makes the walled garden seem reasonable.
...and that's only if you forget all of those "I'm a Mac" ads.
Re: Software isn't dead...
Outlook is not a choice, it's something imposed upon you because it does more than just the little bits that involve real standards. The rest is highly proprietary just like the rest of msoffice is.
Outlook is the perfect example of taking an open standard and perverting it with vendor lock.
It's more of the same Microsoft proprietary lock-you-in-to-our products racket. iTunes functions in the same way.
Re: old fart remembers how it was
I've paid $300 for a 750G drive before and I have no interest in repeating that if I can avoid it.
Fortunately, tech moves on. I can avoid it, so I will.
I don't need to be stuck in the past just because I can remember when I spent $400 on a 1G hard drive.
Re: Ahem.. ATI anyone?
Optimus isn't a "driver problem". It's a bleeding edge Windows dependency problem.
If it doesn't work on Linux it's because the Windows hack being used is just a little too new at this point.
The scope of this particular "problem" is just a tad wider in scope than nvidia's blob.
> Whilst the Tea Party itself doesn't concern itself so much with social issues, it's supporters do.
Like the GOP itself from which the Tea Party sprang, an organization is ultimately nothing more than the sum of it's membership.
By all means point us to good examples of these alleged fiscal conservatives not acting like the sort of stereotypical fundie busybodies described in "media misinformation".
A link to a Tea Party webpage would be an obvious example.
If there are any such mythical "fiscal conservatives" that are also not Puritan culture warriors, then such an example should be easy to provide. It even could have been included in your original response.
Yes, the role of government should be the minimal necessary. That includes my bedroom too.