* Posts by Gemini Storm

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Memo to US Secret Service: Net proxy may pinpoint Palin email hackers

Gemini Storm
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Chris,

I think the real issue is the hacking, not the governor's use of personal e-mail to conduct any state business. Subverting SOX (wife's an auditor, I'll quiz her about this in the morning to get more info) isn't going to get much traction regardless if it was found legally or not. Your analogy is sort of backwards because it would be more accurate to say that during the robbery the robber discovered that the home owner was stealing cable. Of course, if during the hacking it was discovered that Palin were engaged in a child pornography ring...that would probably lead to an end to her public service, but I would hesitate to say she would get prosecuted.

AC (green icon),

See above. Conducting state business on a private/personal e-mail account is a minor issue. Certainly there are government officials with greater skeletons in the closet than this (see any number of examples from both major parties). The point is that the hacker did something illegal, and anything that they discovered is so under the radar that no one will even care. I'm involved with network security, so I know that e-mail and password "rules" aren't followed even by the smartest people I know. Most people are too busy to be bothered by using strict security guidelines. So, I don't think its indicative of her intelligence or lack thereof.

Throatwobbler,

My comments about the Constitution were in response to those that were flinging it around without knowledge. And, contrary to your statement, the Constitution does apply. The Constitution not only states the rights of the citizens and limits the government, but it also prevents the government from enacting/enforcing laws that infringe upon those rights. Thus, my rights are protected against all infringement, not just the infringement of the government.

"...No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States..."

As an example, recently, the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms was challenged in the state I live in. The case involved whether an employer could prevent its employees from having licensed weapons/guns in their vehicles because it was on the employer's property. And, to enforce that rule, the employer would be able to search any vehicle on its property to insure the rule was followed. The rule was struck down as unconstitutional. Therefore, my rights were protected from infringement from entities outside of the government. An employer could be an individual or a huge corporation, it matters not.

Both the 9th and the 14th apply in this case, which is why I was bringing them up. The 9th secures her privacy, while the 14th secures due process. I was thinking about due process in response to the whole "can't use evidence in the commission of a crime" line of thought. To obtain Palin's e-mail, a court order would have to be issued to an authorized agent of the government. I miswrote that the 14th secured her privacy, and corrected myself in a subsequent post (because I can't edit my previous post). Perhaps you don't make errors of this nature so you can't relate?

Again, circumventing SOX compliance is a minor matter. If you want to argue "right and wrong", that is different, but in reality, invading her privacy and breaking "Electronic" laws supercedes anything Palin did wrong.

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As much as people want to string up Palin because she's a; conservative, NRA member, Christian, whatever, taking her to task for this is as idiotic as the whole tanning bed issue. Ding her on her political ideology or something. So far, the dirt diggers that flew up to Alaska haven't found much, so its looking pretty pathetic to Americans that see the efforts that have been made since the day of her selection to besmirch her and her family. Americans have a tendency to circle the wagons around someone that is being hounded like this, so the smears will lead to more votes for McCain/Palin, not less. If you want to have an effect, counter her positions with *your* solutions and explain why McCain/Palin are wrong. Most of the posts I read here sound like a bunch of children calling each other names in the schoolyard and saying my dad can beat up your dad. No one will pay any attention to this crap if you don't elevate it to an adult level of discussion.

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Government corruption

Don't get me wrong, I find it admirable that people want to root out corruption in our government. But, you can't use illegal means to do so or use evidence obtained during the commission of a crime. Also, you can't cherry pick your subjects, you must make it an across the board oversight. Every mayor, governor, US/state senator or congressman, president, vice-president, or candidate for those offices would have to be monitored and investigated. Otherwise, you're just a partisan muckraker without ethics.

Regardless of your political leanings, this action was wrong and criminal. If you say otherwise, you are ignorant. Anonymous is not some whistleblower or watchdog to be admired. At best, they sought to besmirch someone's reputation in order to further their ideology or those that espouse their ideology. At worst, they invaded the privacy of a well known public figure and her family, possibly endangering their well being.

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Pierre

Read the comments by John Q Public above. Statements saying that its a public service is saying that its ok to do so because she is a public servant. I said that she has an expectation right to privacy regardless of her public service.

And, conducting state business on a personal e-mail account is what...a big deal? Should we get the US Attorney General involved to see if we can get her put in jail? Catching her doing company/state business on personal e-mail means it OK to invade her privacy and post her kids' pictures with phone #s out to the wild?

If you want to catch someone doing something illegal, you can't break the law in obtaining that information or evidence or it will be thrown out in court. Its plain and simple.

Gemini Storm

Make sure we get all of them!

I'm with Anonymous Coward here, let's test the security of all politicians' e-mail accounts. We wouldn't want any foreigners doing it and sneaking off to their respective governments about anything someone might write in an e-mail! We need government oversight into everyones' lives, we need to make sure that no one is giving away secrets or using weak passwords!

Um, wait a sec...I'm confused here. Are we in favor of the government invading our privacy or not?

/sarc

Are you even from the US? You don't seem to know much about our Constitution, the role of our government agencies or even have a firm grasp of reality...are you off your meds? I'm just askin'...

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Paul,

Yeah, if your e-mail were hacked, you'd receive about zero response from authorities. But then again, you're probably not a public figure or a candidate for the Executive office are you? When you walk out the front door, do SS agents appear and escort you around all day? Think about this, you're neither the most powerful person/position in the world nor a candidate for that position. Simple logic here, I'd bet the papers outside of your town wouldn't report on your death either...

Anonymous Coward,

What corruption are you talking about here? Do you *know* of something we don't? If you want to expose corruption, you should investigate every politician in the country, I'm sure we could dig up a lot of back room deals, money changing hands, pork, illicit affairs, outright illegal activities, etc. especially in Washington DC. Or, did you just want to investigate Sarah Palin/conservatives for some dirt?

Gemini Storm

14th amendment & 9th

Sorry.

The14th Amendment is "due process" (thinking about that from another post in the thread). The 9th Amendment is interpreted to be the "right to privacy".

Gemini Storm
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John Q. Public?

Public servant or not, her private correspondence is protected by the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution, which I am sure you have neither read nor understand. Via court order or certain provisional powers of the Executive office, in the protection the US, that right can be set aside if there is suspicion of criminal activity. The Patriot Act uses those provisions to allow the government to monitor overseas calls that appear suspicious and without sufficient time to obtain a court order. All sides of the political spectrum realize that this is a necessity, which is why Congress authorized it in the first place. Despite the BS rhetoric, if you feel your rights have been violated, then by all means, please bring a lawsuit against the US government for invading your privacy. Until that time, I have a bucket of sshhh for you.

Anonymous is not an authorized agent of the US government (AFAIK) nor do they have permission to access and publish Sarah Palin's **private** e-mail. As such, he has committed a federal crime(s). Agree or not with Sarah Palin's political ideology, the KKK, the ACLU, or whomever your favorite enemy de jour is, their rights must be protected so that all of *your* rights remain protected. To claim that it is somehow the citizens' right to view a public servant's e-mail is idiotic. They are a citizen first and a public servant second. Their right's are not circumvented due to their service. That is a slippery slope that you better hope never gets breached, or your rights *will* have been forfeited.

Try now telling us that we should now have full access to Barack Obama's house, all letters, bank accounts, e-mail accounts, school records, medical records, etc. Same for Bill Clinton, George Bush, Judge Judy, Mayor Bloomberg, and so on. You are so ill-informed that I'm really concerned that you either have, or will have, the right to vote in the US. Hopefully, this is just a case of your hate of conservatives (or any government figure?) getting in the way of your reason.

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SS involved

The reason that the Secret Service is involved is because she is a candidate for the Executive or Vice-Executive office. As such, she is provided SS protection. You might recall a certain senator from Mass that was murdered in a hotel in 1968?

I'm not sure about candidates when they're in the primaries, but once they become a major candidate for office, they get protection from the SS. I'd bet that even Bob Barr and Ron Paul are getting protection. Al Gore and Hillary, of course, will get SS protection for the rest of their lives whether they run again or not.

The SS needs to determine the threat level of this action, the same would be true if the PotUS's e-mail account were hacked and published. They probably aren't as concerned about prosecuting the individuals involved as they are about determining how dangerous of a threat they present. It makes no difference if Palin was committing a crime or not, the SS wouldn't be involved in that investigation, they are only there to protect her. The SS's job is tied to the US Treasury (investigating forged currency for example) and protecting the Executive office. As such, all past and present Presidents, VPs, and their families are under constant SS protection. The FBI will most likely investigate and prosecute the crimes that are involved, although I'd hope that they (the FBI and SS) share resources and information on all of this.