405 posts • joined 3 Sep 2008
By the time this is out Linux desktops will be running Wayland (or Mir..) which will put it ahead again by about another decade from windows.
I liked compiz, messing about with the amount of friction the windows had at work was fun...
Anyone know the greens stance on this?
Does anyone know the Green party's stance on this?
I ask as they are perhaps the only party with any residue of morals left and are perhaps more left wing than Labour/Lib Deads.
I can imagine they (as least in practice) would be against this sort of thing?
Re: Some suggestions
They have Civ 5, once you start playing that you'll have no time left for anything else anyway.
There are actually 600 games now in Linux Steam.
Re: still early days
Kubuntu user here also !
Of the major desktops KDE seems to be better for gaming than any Gnome3 based one.
Re: still early days
> sort their crappy *nix drivers and we're laughing
The Nvidia binary (non opensource) driver on Linux equals/beats Windows now - its only AMD drivers and opensource ones that are behind.
i.e - here are Windows 8.1 vs Ubuntu 14.04 benchmarks
(hint - Windows loses nearly all tests)
Taxpayers were funding deniers?
Glad Microsoft have left the group, I wonder how much taxpayers cash (that we are all forced to give Microsoft) was used funding the group.
Would be interested to know.
Re: Shopping Lens served a useful purpose...
Just using Kubuntu is a better idea.
It fact its a better idea than using Windows also.
Almost like they've just given up pretending the reasons they want to reduce out freedoms now.
Re: unsurprised, but ...really?
This is how much the people of the UK care about freedom.
QHCQ already store the content of communications.
Re: Just another brick in the wall
Mother : Should I trust the government ?
Re: relative degrees of shamefulness ...
Spending tax payers money with a company that uses patents to prevent fair competition - unforgivable.
Don't wait - upgrade to Linux
Your life will improve generally and you can sleep soundly in bed knowing your not funding an organisation that has such a malignant influence on all our lives i.e
As well as various anti competitive/monopolist tactics they still use (ask anyone who sell Android products..)
(obviously you will still be FORCED to fund them through tax)
The Tories removed that human right in the UK in 1994
The Tories seemingly hate human rights.
I know an OS that will save us all !
- Networking is removed as 'that's how they get to you'...
- Even reading the screen over the user's shoulder is very hard when Tinfoil Hat is switched to paranoid mode, which sets the screen to a very low contrast. !
move to higher operating systems...
I already have. Migrated to Linux in 2001.
Debian/Ubuntu/Centos/opensuse patch all versions of the software they currently support with equal vigour unlike some Mickey mouse company.
Only 1 OS is safe !
- no networking (as thats how 'they' get to you)
- Even reading the screen over the user's shoulder is very hard when Tinfoil Hat is switched to paranoid mode, which sets the screen to a very low contrast.
- Power usage and other side channel attacks — Under the Paranoid options, a copy of GPG runs in the background generating keys and encrypting random documents. This makes it harder to determine when real encryption is taking place.
Re: Here's hoping....
SteamOS is dualbootable now (in fact I have 6 os's on my PC - one of them SteamOS - the rest are all versions of Linux...)
Also SteamOS is based on Debian Wheezy not Ubuntu
Running phoronix benchmarking tests SteamOS has 50% less fps in various games compared to kubuntu or Arch/Gnome3.12 - I think its because they use the version of Gnome3.x in Debian wheezy (which is 3.4) and compositing isn't correctly disabled in that version.
Google is though
To get the latest Flash version you have to use Google Chrome's pepper version.
No they run KDE generally
I have never met a 'power' user that runs Windows.
IF you want a desktop you can can really get to the 'guts' of then KDE/Linux is a good combo.
Kubuntu is an actual desktop however
I tried the new Ubuntu - its the best version of Unity yet (minus the Amazon spyware)
However it still stinks to do any work with - I tried fotr a few hours - then installed Kubuntu 14.04 which is by far the best release yet.
It is an actual real desktop, one that isn't designed for touchscreen and you can actually do some work in.
Re: Can Tor be trusted anyway?
Snowden trusted it enough to leak his info (he used the TAILS Linux distro)
And he knew what he was doing.
Re: Wow! That many people moved to KDE or XFCE?
KDE 4.x is the best desktop I have used for any OS.
Windows 7/Vista is essentially a KDE 4.X clone.
The menu bar/widgets, etc all came out on KDE first.
Windows 8.X is essentially a Gnome3/Unity clone (which is why its unusable crap)
Re: nmap -O
The thing is that will not show info about backported fixes...
There is a test nmap script however here
Re: Bitmap Bros...
That's because those machines were from a time before Microsoft's monopoly damaged computing and set it back 5 - 10 yrs.
An Amiga 1200 (from 1991) compared to a windows PC from 1996
The Amiga ran at 14Mhz and had a 2MB RAM, the Windows PC I had ran at 166 Mhz and had 32MB RAM
- The Amiga booted up faster (seconds for a HDD boot into workbench)
- The Amiga was more responsive desktop
- The Amiga was more a more stable desktop (only games ever cause crashes...)
- The Amiga has sound that didn't stutter ALL THE GOD DAMN TIME
- The Amiga's graphics although lacked the 3D capabilities seems far faster - and didn't stutter ALL THE GOD DAMN TIME - at 1996 I saw nothing as impressive as 'state of the art' on a PC.
- Everything cost far more in Windows than the Amiga, there were loads of software on the Amiga that just didn't exist for Windows (i.e music production.) and equivalents that did cost often 2 - 10 X the amount (for less reliable software)
Going from the Amiga 1200 -> Win 95 was like a step into the Dark ages.
Thank god for Linux.
> Just a shame it's being used to automatically infect us :(
Yes Linux desktop users are pretty much safe from most malware/spyware still.
Yes - most people who don't understand even basic security on Linux will try to get (as an example) 'wordpress' to run by doing the following
- chmod -R 777 /var/www/crappysite.com
- disable SELINUX/APPARMOR (as it's 'interfering' with Wordpress)
- Maybe disabled the firewall (after all they couldn't get their 'Navicat' to connect...)
i.e in order to get a (in my mind) badly designed CMS system they have disabled pretty much all security.
Oh and there is also the fact that a lot of people running their own webservers didn't realise that (a) you had to install updates (b) that was meant to be done by them...
Native Civlisation ?
That's all I care about - Civ5 (and Civ6..) natively on Linux.
Civ5 btw is faster (in terms of 3d speed and time taken for the CPU to move) on Linux -> via wine than it is real Windows.
For the 3D speed you need Nvidia at present.
The only limitation now is lack to DX11 support.
Re: I don't get it
That is not the case now - at least with 'good' distros.
I run Arch and Opensuse - Arch has enlightenment, cinnamon, Gnome3 and KDE - no update of one desktop has ever negatively effected another (in over 2 years).
I have heard of people running Ubuntu unity and being screwed by updating other desktop components - not that I care about people who run Unity.
Gnome3/Cinnamon are pretty and good for home use. For work I can only use KDE personally.
Well you have Bodhi Linux
E17/19 is insanely fast and uses low resources - would seem far faster than XP did... They will always support a non PAE version. (including 14.04)
There is also Lubuntu fake-pae (not really sure about that)
Of course there is absolutely nothing (aside from knowledge/skill) preventing you compiling your own kernel with any distro and removing PAE - that's one of the beauties of Linux and opensource in general - flexibility.
i.e something you can never do with Microsoft/Apple OS's.
Wrong KDE version mentioned - its 4.13
The developers plan to use KDE 4.13 for kubuntu 14.04 - makes some sense as its 5 yr support.
The KDE 4.13 release schedule is roughly the same time as 14.04 release - this means there may be more bugs initially but better 'long term'.
That is unless done major breakage occurs
And now Microsoft sell operating systems to the Commonwealth and they tell them that's secure...
Re: A common API is definitely a must.
Like Ubuntu is doing.
You know the best things about Linux vulnerabilities?
They normally get fixed quickly - unlike say with Windows.
Sometimes you can ever fix stuff yourself - with Windows often your at the mercy of one company to fix it for you.
Re: Run Kryten Smug-Mode
Redhat support OS's for 10 years.
Why the fuck would you want to run a desktop using 13 year old software anyway?
If you run debian or variant of it you can generally safely upgrade to the next version anyway (which stick with a shitty old OS?)
Whatever costs would be needed for a full scale migration of the NHS to Linux the savings over decades would outweigh those costs. Not to mention reliability and security - even the UK gov has said Ubuntu is more secure than Windows8/Mac
It would mean the tax payer no longer forced to fund an anti competitive patent troll also, another bonus would be the tax payer would be funding technological improvements for the entire world, not Microsoft's patent lawyers.
I went to an NHS hospital the other day and on a large computer screen (used in reception) it had a post it note that read ' When you lose networking reboot computer' ..... It was running Windows - I can't imagine a Linux desktop ever having that note on - I wonder how much productivity is lost just in that one reception thanks to the NHS using windows - can only imagine how much productivity is lost for the whole organisation.
Re: IOPS - KVM speed
Also regarding IOPS -
" It also details test results that demonstrate that a single KVM
guest can handle more than 1.2 million I/O operations per second (IOPS) at 8KB I/O request
size and more than 1.5 million IOPS at 4KB and smaller request sizes – the
highest storage I/O performance ever reported in a virtualized environment."
So your statement regarding VMWARE /HyperV IOPS speed being greater than KVM was just plain wrong....
I can only assume your benchmarking was also.
Re: "the familiarity of Windows"
Some people were blessed knowing computing before Windows Monopoly damaged computing in the mid 90's and will never be happy using it - thank fuck.
Re: KVM = fastest Windows Virtualisation performance
Did you house your Windows VM in an LVM partition, instead of a QCOW image?
Only when I do that coupled with the cache settings NONE/NATIVE does Windows IO speed outperform other types of virtualisation - i.e you NEED to install inside an LVM partition (and use Virtio drivers to get 'proper' speed)
Also your wrong about IOPS. KVM currently holds the IOP's world record...
'KVM has achieved World Record IOPS: 1,402,720 IOPS on a IBM x3850 X5 for 8KB request using 7 SCSI pass-through devices.. For 1 KB requests, can achieve 1.65M IOPS.'
KVM = fastest Windows Virtualisation performance
As long as you set up the KVM vm correctly - i.e install in an LVM partition, set correct cache settings and use Virtio drivers it will outperform all other types of virtualisation.
You HAVE you use the Virtio Disk drivers (as your installing in an LVM partition) or the Windows installer will not see any drives btw.
(correct cache settings = native,none)
Try it, benchmark it and you will see
Polished KDE implementation
OpenSuse's implementation of KDE has always seemed that bit more polished. Compared to Kubuntu 13.10 KDE seems a but snappier and the base system more stable... i.e the original release of Kubuntu 13.10 broke on UEFI installs - without an internet connection (to get updates) even now you cannot install Kubuntu 13.10 in UEFI mode (unless you chroot into the system and fix it..)
KDE I have thought for a long time is the nicest desktop for any OS - MS 'borrowed' a lot of early KDE 4.x features for Vista/Windows7. Windows 8 seems to be a Unity/Gnome3 clone (worst of both worlds)
KDE4.11 has so many nice little usability features the most you use it the more you will never think of bothering to try and work with Unity/Gnome3
p.s you can install the Nvidia drivers now 'the hard way' - i.e via the binary from Nvidia.com (like those windows barbarians have always had to - rather than use your package manager - like the master race are used to). One good thing about using the binary is that you will always have the latest version (unlike the opensuse/debian/ubuntu repo versions)
Tax payers money
First of all taxpayers money get sent to Microsoft, then to other criminals.
If only they had chosen Linux instead.
They do ...
They do on Linux.
You only get bundled spy/ad/crap ware on Windows applications in my experience.
Never with the Linux version.
Don't have a clue about Mac and will never care.
Its still a copy of Ubuntu Unity - i.e unusable crap.
So it is powered by the mana of the idiot Apple worshippers?
If your company/organization is pathetic enough to still be using this shit then you deserve whats coming to you, and ultimately unless you have migrated to Linux / Mac that will be Windows 8 - enjoy working with that won't you.
Seriously there is no excuse.
Personally I can't wait until the police/hospitals,etc waste our tax on shiny new PC's to run Windows 8 (instead of saving money in the long run with Linux..)
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