3496 posts • joined 22 Apr 2007
How is this even a debate?
Oh yes. The "IP" land grab. That's how.
If you own the car, you own the data it generates. Simples.
Whether you are liable for the data it generates depends on how much extra-warranty mucking about you've been doing to it. That however, is another matter entirely.
So long as it has an off switch, eh?
After that no further internet connection is required for either.
Really? Try copying that game out of your Steamapps folder and running it without Steam. Any game that uses Steamworks, which is the vast majority of them, will fail.
Try keeping an archive of that game on a USB stick or something. Try installing it without the Internet. If it uses Steamworks, well, good luck. You'll fail.
You are trying to equate downloading a game with requiring the Internet in order to "activate" or play a game. The two are not, and never will be equivalent, regardless of how much you believe it to be so.
Congrats, you've found an opinion piece with no hard data and a Google search which brings up a bunch of articles stating that removing DRM did not reduce piracy rates.
If Valve wind down, they'll issue the patch. If Valve or their creditors sell Steam then the service will still be operational.
Your blind faith is admirable, but naïve.
I will never give money to Valve, and I will enjoy their death if it happens. Steamworks, Origin and all the others are what is wrong with the AAA videogames industry. It deserves to die.
Really, what stake do you have in continued DRM-encrustation of toys? Why are you so in favour of it?
:I'm not being obtuse. When there's no effective difference in functionality for the end user between DRM and a non-DRM game, why should the user give a damn?
You are being deliberately obtuse. Annoyingly irritating or slow to understand.
The end user will give a damn when they try to install a game without the Internet being involved. Or those remote DRM servers.
Well it does affect you since you've deliberately barred yourself from playing a large swathe of games.
Games that don't interest me, in the same way that shit that requires I install the Ask toolbar doesn't interest me.
It has been repeatedly stated that if Valve were to go bust then Steam would be issued with a patch that no longer required it to phone home.
If Valve were to go bust, then Valve would no longer be in control of their own business. The creditors would.
I believe their promises as far as I'd believe the promises of any other corp: I don't.
I already have a large swathe of games new and old, that work very well without shitty online DRM thank you very much. The ones that want some kind of other copy protection like Starforce et al, get dealt with courtesy of Slysoft's Game Jackal. Yes, I am aware of the irony of buying a lifetime-updates subscription of a proprietary product in order to not have to worry about the shit that game publishers (again, not necessarily developers) pull. It should also show that I am perfectly willing to pay for software.
I just won't give money to bullshit merchants who demand that the toys I buy be locked up under the equivalent of a nuclear fucking PAL code that has no effect on unauthorised copying, and has the only real purpose of attempting to prevent me from selling on my own damned stuff. They are toys, not bombs.
You activate game on GoG by paying for it with a credit card and then download it. You activate game on Steam by paying for it with a credit card and then download it. You can back up your games to disc with both services and you can reinstall your games offline from those backups with both services (though it needs to be on the same account with Steam).
Don't be deliberately obtuse. GoG specifically does not use DRM. Steam is all about Steamworks. Steam would not exist without it.
How about, this is the real world and if you're going to get mad about games developers trying to protect their shit...
Hardly. Shitty DRM-encrusted toys are not worth getting worked up over. Like I said, there are far better toys out there. Toys that don't demand activation, online connectivity, whatever. The question is, when time after time you see surveys and reports showing how DRM makes absolutely no difference, and if anything increases the amount of piracy of a given game title, why publishers (note, not necessarily developers) continue to peddle their bullshit?
As for Steamworks being somehow "better" than Origin, no. If it requires a connection to play at all, then I'm just not interested. Sorry.
They're bigger than the film and music industries combined. I wouldn't hold your breath.
I just don't care. They can die, I am not concerned. Valve and EA could go into liquidation Tomorrow. It doesn't affect me, because I haven't locked myself into their shitty DRM.
I'd still dance a little jig on their grave though.
So... downloading an archive from a CDN somewhere is the same as activating it via Steamshite? No. No it is not the same. Did you not even read what I said about GoG?
"Usage of this game requires activation and acceptance of the Steam Subscriber Agreement (SSA)."
A quote from the back of the box on nearly every fucking game in the shop these days. I'm not confusing anything. Valve are rapidly becoming the Microsoft of PC games.
No thankyou. Like I said, Valve pioneered this shit. I won't forgive them, nor give them the benefit of my money. Same with EA, same with Ubisoft, same with anybody else who wants to infect my computer with crap or demands I make an account with Gabe's Great DRM Distribution Service, just to play with toys.
There are better toys out there.
I also have quite a few games bought on Steam that can be alternatively downloaded direct from the developer's website.
And KSP is one of them. From what I recall, the devs only added it to the Steaming Shite store as an option, because so many turkeys have been voting for Christmas and will for some insane reason, only get a game if it's locked into Steam. Whatever. Like I said, there are better toys.
As for the "extra expense" of making a "diffenet DRM", no. How about "no DRM"? Even less expensive. Yeah, sure I'm in the minority, but I really couldn't give two hoots. Like I said, there are far, far better toys, and none of them involve infecting my computer with shit.
So, the AAA videogames industry really can die. I'll dance a little jig on its grave.
Or whenever you install a game from a disk. Or whenever "offline mode" decides it isn't. The only reason they may, perhaps, possibly allow you to sell your own stuff second hand is because they might well end up being forced to in the EU.
Valve pioneered this online-DRM shit with Steam, and I won't forgive them for it. GOG.com is also a digital download service, and yet, no shitty Steamworks DRM.
Don't confuse downloading a game, with needing to be online to play or "activate" it. The two are not equivalent.
Clicking the little down arrow does not explain how what you said has the square root of fuck all to do with anything.
Try looking up the dictionary reference for "non-sequitur".
And lay off the Friday Night beer a bit. You're clearly tired and confused.
But your missing out on all that wonderful DRM
Kidding, right? The PC is amongst the worst for DRM. As far as I'm concerned, and I've said it many times, the entire AAA videogames industry can die in a fire. Really. Jump off a cliff. Die. Now.
I'll buy games (a) if they are good, and (b) if they don't demand usage of Steamshite, Origin, or any other kind of "you must connect to the Internet and prove you are not a criminal" bullshit.
There is very, very little of that on any platform, PC included. Games like Kerbal Space Program are the exception, not the norm.
Re: Appropriate reaction
I would think "go out and buy a better one then" would be sufficient enough to teach the value of money, without teaching them to steal from people that are smaller than they are.
Re: He previously complained bitterly about the lack of hand lotion.
Ganging up on a single person to beat the living shit out of them takes balls?
Y'know I'm tempted to see if it drops below $100 then buy one just to see what it does.
Worst comes to worst, I'm out by about £60. Or it could bounce right up again and I can cash out for £600.
I have to wonder.
How long until this, plus some webgl, gets co-opted to use the GPUs of web site visitors to mine coins?
Assuming WebGL can be thus co-opted, of course.
Re: @M Gale - Unfair Tax?
The colloquial term is road tax, and you can wriggle as much as you like. If you're on a scooter, which can't go on motorways, you pay massively less tax on it. If you're on a bicycle, you don't pay any tax on it.
And it's still a stupid analogy, which has nothing to do with the idiot box. However, your insistance that I call road tax "vehicle excise duty" shines a light on the whole "it's not a tax, it's a license" bullshit. It is a tax. On the idiot box.
It needs to go.
Re: @M Gale - Unfair Tax?
Whilst so-called "road tax" goes into the same big pot of general taxation as everything else (at least in the UK), if you don't have a motor vehicle, you don't pay road tax.
Electric bicycles with a motor power of less than 250 watts and a top speed of less than 15mph do not count as motor vehicles in UK law, by the way. Your mileage may vary, but considering you're calling it "a motorway" and not "a freeway", I guess not.
Also little 50cc thingies that aren't allowed on motorways pay vastly, immensely less road tax than a car or more powerful motorbike.
What this has to do with the goggle box, I have no idea. Nevertheless, next please!
Re: I hope you don't have kid's
Because you never went to school?
Comparing education to television. Really now.
Re: fund it from general taxation
At least the licence fee and the Royal Charter give the BBC nominal independence from the state.
Because a letter from the head of state telling you what you're allowed to do, and a law made by the state that comes up for review every few years, gives you freedom from the state.
I wish people would stop parroting this propaganda.
It's a bloody goggle box.
It's not a fire service. Or an ambulance service. It's not even the police. It's not a school. It's not a hospital. It has fuck all to do with your life that is essential beyond plonking your arse down in front of a screen and vegetating. Don't give me that but-must-provide-educational-programming bullshit. That can happen without a tax. It's called "government owned", which the BBC is.
Now get your fucking hands out of my pockets and pay for it yourself if you want it so bad.
Re: Unfair Tax?
Oh lovely. I don't want the BBC. Can I watch Channel 4? ITV? Sky? Anything?
Guess not, then.
No, she's only head of fucking state.
She's more part of the government than Cleggy or Cameron. Don't give me that crap about a "symbolic role", just because she's not shouty and on telly a lot.
Re: Mod hat on
irc.theregister.co.uk:6667? What a wonderful idea.
You not got a spare RasPi and an effernet socket to run it off?
Re: <scratches head>
So I guess you're language is not English, hinnit?
Protip: If you replace "you're" with "you are" and it makes no sense, you're probably doing it wrong.
The irony is delicious though.
Re: <scratches head>
how would they know what you should be interested in?
Mumsnet will advise them? They know all about what you should and should not be allowed to see.
"don't pay tax, get no votes."
I know of a few people for whom their response would be "....ok. Guess I'll save some money then."
And a million dollars = a million votes? That's not a recipe for disaster at all.
The poll tax
Which got renamed and called "Council Tax". And that, you do pay.
Re: Buyer beware
One other thing that occurs to me, even if the phone is bricked, it would still have many parts, in particular the screen, that would still be valuable on the black market.
Oh indeed. Probably the fate of many stolen phones is an advert on Fleabay two weeks later for cheap screens, or a casing, or sensor glass, or a battery, or whatever.
Re: Buyer beware
Highly unlikely that any lock+wipe mechanism will stop the phone being useful for emergency calls.
Well, unless the people proposing the laws are even more terminally brain-dead than people give them credit for.
Calling PHP "a bit of a kludge" is like calling the Nazi campaign in Russia "a bit of a foul up".
Replace "bit of a" with "monumental" and you're getting closer with both. Not that PHP isn't very useful, but it does have its... quirks.
Can I has Godwin nao?
Oh and not to mention its still totally inaccessible to Screen Readers and alike
Same as when designing a site to be "accessible" via pure HTML, there are steps to be taken to ensure the screen reader interprets your dynamically-created content correctly.
Re: Getting started in programming
it forces you to develop good whitespace management habits.
And that's why I have total disdain for Python's style. It might be a nice language, but I'm totally uninterested in any coding language that gives a shit about where and how many times I hit the spacebar, tab or enter keys (or even carriage return, to be a complete pedant). Especially after trying code samples from web sites or other media that may have mangled the original whitespace.
Good luck debugging that, especially if you're a complete newbie.
probably can't affair to e judging by the childish dig at Apple in your post.
I know the iPhone's glass keyboard isn't the best for typing on, but that was pretty atrocious even for typed-on-the-bus-on-the-way-to-work hurriedness. You should check that the autocorrect is actually correcting your typing and not making it worse, as autocorrect tends to do. A lot.
You might also want to read that guy's post again and examine it for humour content. Or his posting history, where not two days ago he's slagging off his own HTC droid-thing for a shit update that b0rked it.
Now me on the other hand, I can't resist a dig at Apple, or at anybody who thinks that the sun shines out of Zombie Jobs' arse.
OSS -> ALSA anyone? And yku only have to go by the names to see how much Linux folk really care about portability. The 'O' in OSS stands for 'open'; the 'L' in ALSA stands for 'Linux'...
You're still using ALSA? How very 2005.
It's PulseAudio these days if you want to go to that low a level and not just drag in OpenAL Soft, SDL::Mixer or some other cross-platform sound library.
Re: It can be a grey area ...
Software isn't like a car, no matter how much Bill Gates and the other copyright dinosaurs wishes it was.
If software was like a car, you'd be able to sell it to someone and they'd be able to use it without hindrance, regardless of what Bill Gates and the other dinosaurs say about it.
Re: It can be a grey area ...
Except the "support" in this case was product activation. You know, basically DRM. So, nothing to do with actual support.
Dunno about yourself, but I wouldn't have bought that shit in the first place, be it brand new or second hand.
Maybe I'm just too old...
...but you say "Sigourney" and I think "cast iron bitch with a pulse rifle".
I hope that he had the foresight to include a "trojan mode" into unlicensed copies that wipes the bootlegger's device to factory settings.
Considering the countless number of times I've seen DRM fuck up, at best causing an inconvenience and at worst destroying the "protected" item, I'd say sure, go ahead and do that. The moment "trojan mode" activates, is the moment the letter from my solicitors arrives through your door.
I'll be asking for £250/hour labour charge for recovering the phone to as close to its previous state as possible, along with a high five-figures amount for damages. I'll be taking my time over the recovery job, to make sure I do it properly, you understand.
I don't upload to Youtube any more
Not since Google+. I don't have anything to do with the comments either any more, what with not having a Plus account and refusing to create one. I'll leave the comments to the retards, trolls and shills that have been getting worse since Google+.
And if you're that pissed off by forced integration yourself, I suggest doing the same. Bob's tanks are amusing, but no content == no youtube.
Plus Vimeo, DailyMotion and the others could probably use the boost.
...the reasons given for forcing people onto Google's social notwork in order to leave a comment on a video, or rate/review an app... are crap?
Well who knew?
Note this malware, like all "Android" malware, actually infects rooted Android-based OS builds. Not Android.
You'd think by now that people would have spotted that?
Re: Just buy an Apple...
Samsung can't do quality.
Which is why Apple use them for so many parts.
It's kinda average on tablets and phones, nothing to make a song and dance over.
And utterly shite on anything else.
Strangely enough, most of the "haters" seem to be saying the same thing you are.
I remember that old Amstrad mash-up well. It worked well if your use case was "PC = Office, Sega 16 bit = games", and even supported the CD through a funky adapter cable. The 386 was getting a bit old by then though, if your intention was to maybe try PC gaming too. Plus I don't think it had a VESA slot for local-bus graphics. I think some review mags were a bit upset that you couldn't use it as a console dev platform (as if) and that it was, in the words of one magazine, "a Megadrive, a PC, and a roll of sellotape."
And IIRC, the only 486 option was an SLC. Eurgh.
Still, it did what it did well enough, and the PC half of things stayed awake while you were playing. Plus playing console games on a monitor was a massive upgrade to the usual RF lead, composite video or big block o' SCART.
And yep, it's the first thing I thought of after reading the review for this thing.
Re: Holy s**t.
Hah, I distinctly remember cracking the valve open on a 5 foot tall helium bottle minus its balloon regulator.
Don't get angry at your disk arrays. It upsets them.
Re: No panacea
Also, if you believe that Linux users can verify the build on their machine
Not every user. However I would bloody well hope that government, and big business users, would be able to.
Well why do you think it comes with no source code available?
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