Re: Who *really* navigated through the start menu?
/me raises hand.
3545 posts • joined 22 Apr 2007
/me raises hand.
It doesn't matter how well-coded your OS is (and being Microsoft, it won't be THAT well coded). Keep starting programs, ending programs, saving state, reloading state, starting more programs, ending more programs, shuffling data into and out of memory, day after day after day...
It'll happen. Slowly perhaps, but out of those gazillions of operations you're asking the OS to do, SOME of them will bugger up. Sure, you might not notice it at first.. it'll just be having to click on an icon twice instead of once. However, slowly but surely, entropy will build up. Things will break. Stuff will slow down. Eventually, and I've seen it happen so many times on so many Windows machines of every version, you'll be flying along in some application or game, and *CRASH*. It's not a virus, it's not malware outside of maybe Microsoft's shitty DRM being tripped, it's just a simple consequence of thinking you can keep going forever on an OS that is not totally and utterly bug-free.
That's why it's nice to reboot every now and then. But hey, it's your machine. You do what you like with it. Go ahead and waste electricity by leaving the thing on. After all, it's your electricity bill. But don't accuse me, or anybody else, of being somehow inferior because we like to cold-reboot sometimes and make sure the OS has started up cleanly. Or perhaps we just don't want to burn through the MTBF of the various components for no good reason other than not being bothered with a power switch. Or, maybe, we don't want to die in a fire caused by an exploding power supply?
Of course, you can do all of the above if you like. I could care less.
"The reality is the Start button is largely redundant since the Win7 taskbar change."
Uhm, it's my default method of firing up programs, thankyou. You do know that thing in the Win7 start menu, how it puts your most used programs on the first thing you see after the Windows keypress? That's useful. TIFKAM is not.
"If you have an HD capable screen you can add 20+ applications to it which covers most folks."
Have you ever actually used Windows Vista/7? Having 20+ things pinned to the taskbar would be an exercise in masochism. Especially when your most commonly used programs are automatically under the winkey. I'm just glad you can still hack Quicklaunch in and have things work "properly".
"Shortcuts on the desktop or just using the winkey does the rest."
So.. the WIndows 3.11 paradigm in Windows 8. Makes sense. Frankly I like having a relatively clean desktop. You'll notice the screenshots I posted in this very thread? That's actually quite messy for me, it needs a little sorting, and I hate it when programs dump shit all over the desktop without the option to tell it not to.
As for the winkey.. you mean the winkey that works in Windows from '95 onward, right?
Nobody yet has shown me how TIFKAM provides any kind of useful improvement.
Upvoted for awesome.
Doesn't exist any more, unfortunately.
Glad I got my new GOG account last night, instead of today, I suppose.
"Or are you another one of those people who hasn't really tried it?"
Of course I haven't. I absolutely did not just fire the VM up to prove you wrong with a screenshot, only to be told that WIndows 8 has fucked up all by itself. I am lying through my teeth when I say that it's still thrashing the shit out of the hard drive doing whatever the hell it's doing and showing me that blue windowtiles logo.
So I got the edition name wrong. It's Windows 8 64 Professional, for fuxache. Hardly a major crime when you consider how many stupid editions Windows comes in these days.. perhaps I should refer to them as crippled, half-crippled, little-bit-crippled and not-crippled-if-you-have-a-volume-license editions?
Oh by the way: FINALLY!
But hey, maybe I faked those screenshots and drew them in MS Paint, eh? Perhaps I'm a Google shill? Here, throw a few "freetard" comments around as well, if you like. It's all the same bullshit. Just like TIFKAM.
"I could care less when I only reboot my PC once every couple of weeks how long it takes."
At the usual per-KWh electricity prices, enjoy your expenses. Also some of us like having a clean environment that hasn't been toggled between standby/smart hibernate/whatever theyr'e calling it these days, and had the chance to build up enough entropy to truly bugger things up.
Also it's "couldn't care less". "Could care less" means you at least care a little bit, in order that you could care less. Here, allow David Mitchell to explain in nice, simple terms that you might understand.
I didn't buy it. Dreamspark FTW.
Ultimate Edition of Win8, in a VM jail where it belongs. Why? So I could evaluate it and see if it was as bad as people say it is.
How many things have you installed onto Windows 8 yet?
Of course if you really enjoy a massive, flat list of ico^Wtiles, then more power to you. If you like re-arranging TIFKAM every single time you install something, that's just gravy.. so long as you don't insist I be subject to the same crap. As for pinning shit to the start bar, that's damned retarded too. Sure if you only have one or two apps you play with constantly, but after pinning 10 or 11 apps to the taskbar just to avoid TIFKAM, it stops being a taskbar and starts being a big list of shit where it's not immediately obvious what's a running app and what's an icon.
Mind you, that's pretty much the same as TIFKAM, now. I'll decide when a program needs killing, TYVFM.
Put an heirarchical start menu back in, relegate TIFKAM to an option for running Windows Store apps, and then after a little tweaking to remove stupid pinned items and put a proper quicklaunch bar back... it might be tolerable.
Until then, Windows 8 is about as painless to use as trying to find apps in Android by wandering through the huge flat-list-of-icons App Drawer.
Of course, putting the Win8 kernel improvements into Win7 as a service pack might be nice. It's not like I've only had the damned OS for a year and it's already outdated, or anything.
I know people like to diss this "Joe Public" guy, but really, "post tweets on your behalf" is pretty damned simple to understand. If you don't know what posting a tweet is, what the hell are you doing on Twitter?
Methinks this prankster hit 20,000 people on the very low end of the bell curve.
I'm sure 10 years of wondering whether you're going to end up spending a significant amount of your life imprisoned in a country known for its implicit, and in some cases explicit approval of prison rape, is no punishment at all.
And all for what, showing up a foreign agency as complete and utter fools?
At least until the probes come around to the daylit side. Video feed. Got to be of some use, as well as being mildly interesting to watch.
There is no dark side of the moon. Matter of fact it's all dark.
Sorry, just had a Floyd moment there.
Only problem with Android's way of doing this is it seems to partition your space between users. A 16GB tablet becomes a 2x8GB tablet, and no way of installing apps once for all users.
Depends on the network. It's possible to use SSL, though of course you need SSL between all the nodes as well as from client to server.
I've also had fun with various encryption methods that make you and others with the key able to see the text, but everyone else in-channel sees a load of g&7b6^&f7&^fvk8.
Of couse, as the post above mentions, this isn't perfect!
This is where the other, more profane version of the POS acronym is rather accurate.
Thankfully, ReVuln didn't find this one first or we'd all be getting told something like "we can hack Cisco phones.. who wants to pay us for the details?"
You mean the 0.001% of developers who want something that's compute-intensive to complete on a timeline somewhat less than from now until the heat death of the universe?
"So it's a big question whether you are a C++ programmer who thinks that out of index array accesses create exceptions, or one who knows what really will happen."
Ah, the joys of creating fencepost errors and wandering pointers, then wondering why your program is behaving "oddly", cannot be overstated.
"I strongly feel that the best way to put someone off being a developer is to choose a language like C++ as their first exposure to programming and then get taught how to use it ..."
Oh I don't know. Back when I was doing an initial Access to IT course, the tutor split the year into two classes. We both did VB and C++, however one group did VB first, the next group did C++ first.
I was in the group that did C++ first. It was only a very basic course, didn't even go very far into things like pointers, however it did teach some of the basic principles of OOP. When it came time to switch to VB, everyone in the class had become so used to C++'s idiosyncracies that they took to VB's hand-holding-but-slow-as-treacle paradigm like a duck to water.
The group that started with VB on the other hand, took one look at C++ and collectively shat their pants.
Sometimes, just sometimes, learning by going to the deep end and throwing yourself in can be a good thing.
Another version of the shit that can't be uninstalled from various phones and sits there taking up space whether you want it or not.
...and let's not forget the very real chance of being arrested for wearing the wrong type of T shirt.
As someone who was born in London and still has most of my relatives dahn sarf, I do like being able to go on a five minute walk and be in the middle of a load of green. The only disadvantage is that people up here think I "talk posh" and don't seem to know the difference between "born in London" and "born within sound of Bow bells", and people down there hear me speak and think I eat babies or store ferrets in my pants.
As for trying to use the Underground during rush hour, being charged increasingly extortionate rates according to which concentric circle you want to get off within, or being taxed for daring to cross an imaginary line on the ground while in a vehicle.. you can keep it.
Just because: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckMvj1piK58
"Are those the weekly tickets and daysavers you have to queue on a weekly/daily basis to purchase?"
That would be the weekly tickets I buy direct from the driver at about 6am when there's no queues to speak of, yes. I suppose I could buy a season ticket direct from the bus company and avoid the 5-10 seconds of inconvenience. Either way, it works quite well and means that when the bus station/stop is busy, I can squeeze past the bonkers and cash-payers with a cursory wave of a pass, while they're reaching to place the card on the bonk-pad, waiting for it to register, then retrieving the card.
"How can I prove that it wasn't me who used the 7.15 to Peckham on the 12th December?"
CCTV on the buses. FOI request.
"so long as it's as fast as Oyster."
I'm not familiar with the speed of Oyster. However if the bonk-payment and new RFID-enabled OAP passes are anything to go by, it's the slowest way of getting on a bus next to paying cash when the driver has hardly any change left.
Just give me a laminated bus ticket that the driver can check using Eyeball Mk 1. Much easier, and quicker, for everyone concerned.
I wonder how much simpler this is to use than the completely dumb, non-electrical, no-RFID weekly tickets and daysavers that I'll routinely wave at the bus driver on the way to the seat?
Yes, that was sarcasm.
"almost all phones suffer the same type of issue"
Not to anywhere near the same degree, they don't. The iPhone 4's Grip O' Death was pretty much guaranteed to kill the signal, whereas any other phone? Not so much.
"took me years to convince Google, TeleAtlas and Navtech to stop sending people to our house via the mudpit that masquerades as the middle portion of our road."
I still see people trying to head from here to a village due South, via an old track that is still legally a toll road. Unfortunately, the farmer who owns it can't be arsed maintaining it, so keeps the gate shut.
It proved amusing once, at some ungodly hour on a Winter morning, when I was woken by the sound of a screaming engine. Some chavs had nicked a car, presumably with some kind of satnav in it. Now, the junction off to the track I mentioned is further up the street. However, these fools were being chased by the cops and missed their turn. Not even realising this street is a dead end, they hit the very gentle curve near the bottom of the street, fast enough for me to hear the tyres begin to screech and complain about lack of traction. Wouldn't surprise me if they were doing near enough a ton at that point.
Then they saw the end of the road.
What I heard then was the longest ever skidding sound as this car proceeded to slide the last two or three hundred yards down the road sideways. There was an ominous silence for about a second as they careened off the tarmac, ploughed (literally, like digging trenches in the lawn) through someone's front garden, and then a short crunch as the car impacted the fence just before a 5 foot drop into woodland. I managed to gaze bleary-eyed out of the window to see what the fuss was about, just as the police came down at a much more leisurely, relaxed pace to arrest the joyriders.
Faulty mapping data: An awesome anti-theft device.
" you could start looking at dropping the fixed-line services with that."
I'm sure many people could. However, how long could the average Reg reader stand to be stuck behind 192.168.0.0/16? I know it can be somewhat annoying for me.
Why bother? You could probably emulate a speccy with a microcontroller.
Wonder if anybody has stuck the whole thing, ULA, CPU and all, on a single chip yet?
To be honest, after you've been around long enough to see how Microsoft operate, it's difficult to have any kind of positive attitude toward them.
On the contrary, when I used to work for a certain purple-uniformed big brand computer retail company, I got questions from a fair few people along the lines of "Do you do Linux?"
When they weren't the usual neckbeards, it was nearly always suited and booted business types fed up with Microsoft's license fees and/or bullying.
You know, I'm thinking that a symbolic dumping of a crapload of Nike, Adidas, McDonalds and other branded goods into Liverpool Harbour would be amusingly ironic around now.
The main North Korean population, perhaps.
I'm pretty sure the ruling elite will have all mod cons.
Jebediah for World Leader.
That guy is fearless!
Well, we don't know exactly where the ol' pater's kid is on the batshit scale either. As for it being a small nuke, I doubt it. The plot of Home Front might be fairly engaging and also quite obvious propaganda, but the US is neither on its knees through fuel starvation. nor about to do anything other than act like a rabid dog if somebody did EMP the shit out of North America.
Of course, that could be the plan.</paranoia>
Considering any missions the X37B undertakes is going to be highly secret and we're not officially supposed to know it is up there, you could conversely speculate as to the life expectancy of the crew aboard once they get too close to an orbiting laser-toting shark, or whatever else is up there?
That or it could just be a mylar reflective beach ball with "lol, made you look" written on it in Hangul.
you actually manage to infer here that a granny would know what an android stick is.
I'm sure she'd know how to use one after a little playing with it. Oh, you do know that using Android has nothing to do with Vim, Emacs or editing /etc files by hand?
Really, have you used Android?
So your average retired grandmother is going to get a Linux computer up and running on a TV is she?
Uhm.. setting up an Android device is not much harder than plugging it in and switching it on?
It's somewhat easier than setting up a VCR, and I see plenty of those in the homes of people older than I.
Yes, because not wanting to kill people means you want people to kill people.
Really, the mentality of some people amazes me.
Not sure if it's already suggested, but that "send corrections" link at the bottom of the article might be better off pointing at a page where you can send corrections, rather than the generic "here's how to contact us" page. At least while logged in, anyway.
Sometimes I see an article that makes my inner proofreader want to curl up and cry a little. At the same time though, can I really be bothered firing up an email client just to tell someone they spelled "plant matter" as "plant madder"?
It's in the article on green Li-Ion batteries, by the way. You might want to check that. Or not.
At the moment I have a Radeon 5750 and some variant of AMD quad core phenom II. I'm pretty sure I can upgrade the GPU significantly before I hit the motherboard limit. I'm really not interested in spending £1500 on three high-end graphics cards in an SLI set-up, so I can get at least one fairly beefy upgrade out of this machine for not much of an outlay. £100-ish will buy me a GPU that, to use a time-honoured phrase, pisses on just about any current games console from a positively stratospheric height.
To be honest though, the current set-up gives the PS3 a good enough kicking as-is. Helps that I can turn the largely useless FSAA off too.
I used to be somewhat envious of the Americans, back when UK Internet connectivity was via dial-up ISPs that charged phenomenal amounts, plus telephone providers that raked in the call costs.
How times change.