3509 posts • joined 22 Apr 2007
Re: Why the spite and bile at hifi lovers?
What I would like to see is a double-blind study where you can tell a £30K rig from a £500 rig.
Just don't be surprised if you get it wrong.
If you can't tell any difference between 44.1/16 and 192/24 then why go to the extra expense?
Assuming there is any extra expense, perhaps for people who want to create their own music? If I'm recording something for later copying and distribution, it's going to be recorded at 48KHz at least, even if it'll be mixed down to 44.1 later. 192KHz/24 bit means you can normalize, time stretch, do whatever it is you want to do to the original signal, while still filling up every spare ounce of bandwidth in a 44.1/16 stream.
So if you have a choice of a sound chipset capable of 44.1KHz/16 bit stereo, or 192KHz 24 bit 7.1 surround, and they both cost the same or are within pence or fractions of a penny of each other, you're going to choose the 44.1/16 option?
Re: It's not about the music.
He simply said " I like to hear a recording in it's truest form, & you don't really need that stuff in the middle if you design your system well."
True in theory.
In practise, no two speaker sets or headphones have the same response curve, and some people don't know how to master a track.
Though, it does sound like a nice amp stage for a stacking system. Blinkenlights, sliders and buttons everywhere? Pffft. Volume, on and off. Job done. I can definitely appreciate that.
Trouble is, the DACs on your Asus will suck, badly, like most PC audio DACs.
And yet the only not-music noise I get in the headphones when ramped up to full whack is... total silence. Not even the horrific electronic noises coming from within the PC that Yesteryear's shitty onboard sound chips (and some shitty dedicated sound cards) used to make. Not even the hint of a hiss from a cheap PA stage. The CRT whine from my monitor is louder, and that's when I'm wearing the heavily-earmuffed headphones. The line-in might hiss a tiny bit when you turn it up to clip-the-hell-out-of-a-gnat's-fart levels.
I've yet to feed the output of this thing through an oscilloscope to test DAC accuracy but, for an onboard sound chipset, it really is quite good. Again, whether you can or can't tell the difference, if 192Khz/24 bit costs beans to implement, then why the hell not? It's not like you're being charged a hundred quid for a metre of pure silver oxygen-free USB cable.
Only in mono. Divide by two to get the CD format's bandwidth in stereo. Still heaps better than what came before, mind.
As for why anybody would want 192Khz/24 bit, I have to say "if it costs beans, then why the hell not?" It's cheap enough to make hardware that good that it comes with my (Asus M4A78LT-M) motherboard as standard.
You also mentioned exactly why people would want sampling rates that high: For creating their own masters.
Re: @Captain Hogwash
"You wouldn't know injustice if it hit you in the face with a truncheon."
I guess we should give people a lifetime of shit for littering offences or having the wrong type of plant matter in their pocket?
Why exchange for cash when you can exchange for BTC?
Or more directly, for guns, booze and hookers?
(I wonder if any hookers/pimps accept Dogecoin?)
The usual story - Linux / Apache:
I'm sure if they only used Microsoft, they'd be so much safer.
So very much safer.
Whereas simply updating the totally free httpd to the latest version would make no difference whatsoever.
Nope, none at all.
You are Steve Ballmer, and I claim my £5.
Re: There's a warmth to the sound from vinyl you just can't recreate with CD's or MP3's
If you do put a clipped waveform onto a vinyl
What you're basically saying is that if the master is a bunch of crap, the copies will be bunches of crap. Just that a stylus will act like a low pass filter to disguise the crap. This is not an indictment against CDs, or high-rate digital music files.
I'll just use a low pass filter. Or, perhaps, not try recording past the 0Db mark. If I want the genuine vinyl sound, I understand that some people are making expensive boxes (and the occasional free VST plugin) that put very authentic-sounding hisses, pops and clicks into the recording.
something that will never be possible with any digital format.
Better than 192KHz 24/32 bit non-compressed digital audio? The default VIA HD audio chipset on my motherboard can handle rates that high, let alone a "decent" sound card or ADC/DAC combo.
When the sample rate and accuracy of the digital portion exceeds the noise floor of the analogue portion of the circuit, I fail to see how the ol' spinning black disks can possibly exceed the quality of a good digital reproduction solution.
I also mentioned time-coded vinyl earlier. You should give it a try: The user interface that you're used to, plus all you ever need is two records and maybe a couple of spares just in case something bad happens at a gig. The audio comes from a bunch of MP3s, MP4s, lossless FLACs or uncompressed WAVs, and you can cue, speed up, slow down and scratch about with it just like it was recorded onto the vinyl. You also get the extra advantage that any feedback travelling into the stylus is basically ignored by the computer that's reading the time code.
It really is an awesome thing.
Re: Zero compression
It's got a pretty picture on it! oh...but you already ruined the look trying to get to those hidden tracks.
To be fair, if they've been halfway sensible about it, the "label" track will be etched onto printed/coloured vinyl. Same stuff that gets used to make records where the entire face is a 12" round picture.
Though as for whether sticking a track so far toward the spindle that anything outside of a professional DJ deck won't be able to play it is sensible or not, I leave for the reader to decide.
Re: Too Good to Be True?
Somebody didn't really use a tiny needle to scratch all those interference fringes into the master, did they?
Apparently they can be done.
I remember reading about them before Youtube came along, but I could never get a sharp enough needle nor be patient enough to make anything useful. That and old CD jewel cases aren't really the best for the task. Nice that the guy who made the site put that video up to demonstrate how it works more clearly.
I think there's some debate as to whether these are "real" holograms because you don't use a laser to make them; but since they are the same sort of etched-pattern affair that credit card holograms use, just on a larger scale, I don't see why they aren't.
Re: Vinyl-fetish hipsters don't have a point
Ah see, some headphones leak a hell of a lot more than others. I have a set of cans that I have for indoor use that I'd never bother with on the bus, partly because they are ridiculously huge, and partly because they seem to double as loudspeakers.
These days there is an EU-enforced limit on the volume of anything you can plug headphones into (which some manufacturers have a magic-hack way around). Generally if your ears are ringing after listening, that's a cue that the sound was too loud. It's still unlikely though, that you're going to be seeing many 18-30 year olds with burst ear drums due to loud headphones.
However, my hearing still goes up to a good 5, 6 or more KHz higher than other people my age and younger, with some teenagers not able to perceive the range of audio that I can. Of course, some have better ears, generally young children, but I still consider myself either damned lucky or just sensible.
Though it is a bit annoying to walk past one of the local curry houses when they've decided to turn the anti-chav "ultrasonic" blasters on. Affects teenagers only? My pasty white arse it does.
Re: "Side A plays from the inside out"
Looks nice. Just a shame it's part of JACK. A more fiddly audio set-up I have yet to encounter. "Professional Quality" quite possibly, but also in the same way that 3D Studio Max requires a degree-level education to get past "render a sphere with a texture", and Cisco's IOS generally shouldn't be attempted by anybody who still possesses a shred of sanity.
Re: Vinyl-fetish hipsters don't have a point
Anyone else remember being able to hear the CRT scan sound from CRT TVs?
Oh yes. I have frankly amazing hearing for my age, so I can tell if a CRT has been fired up in the next room. Or even, three feet from my face as the case is right now. Probably has something to do with me not habitually playing headphones at full blast or cranking the amp volume up to 12 in my younger days.
And yes, it's an AOC 5glr, TCO '99 compliant as an indicator of age. It works.
Also one cannot skin-up on a MP3.
I hope you were using the record sleeve, and not the vinyl itself.
Though if you were using the vinyl, I would like to smoke your stylus.
Re: "Side A plays from the inside out"
Audacity does indeed have such an option.
Select the "RIAA" curve from the little drop-down menu.
Re: Thats got to be a wind up
Ah, but do they have a 16RPM option?
I miss the 16RPM option.
(Edited to add "RPM", because I'm sure some jokers will come up with some kind of pun based on barely-legal or pedobear)
There was me thinking you stick a record on and let it play.
The Monty Python example can just about be forgiven because they're as mad as a box of frogs. However, I don't expect to buy a record and then have to play Where's Wally to hear the damned music.
I'm also wondering how the auto-lift record players are going to cope with the inside-out track or the one "hidden" in the centre label. In fact I don't wonder: They won't cope with it. Well done, I guess we all have to go out and buy either a shit USB vinyl player or a stupendously expensive set of Technics or Stantons just to play the record?
How about just make it work?
There's a warmth to the sound from vinyl you just can't recreate with CD's or MP3's
Record amps/pre-amps have an RIAA-declared standard set of filters that produce the sound you're looking for. Without that, vinyl would, and does, sound bloody awful.
However what vinyl does allow, which CDs don't, is the ability to cue up by grabbing the medium itself and spinning it about a bit. It's something that's kept vinyl alive even up until today amongst the DJ crowd, though these days it tends more toward time-coded vinyl than buying a separate slab for each EP, LP or single.
Lovely user interface, but I won't pretend it has "better quality", any more than valves have "better quality" than transistors.
Re: Meanwhile, in mobile-world...
It has to anyone with a developer account.
So basically, nearly nobody.
Re: Windows 8.1 - the secret update
I say on a desktop or laptop, it is a program and not an application.
Applications have been around a lot longer than the iPhone. A lot longer than Java - why do you think the preferred term for miniature Java things embedded in a web page is an "applet"?
An application is one or more programs that work together to apply the computer toward a particular task (like for instance, writing a letter, creating a spreadsheet). A collection of applications tends to be called an application suite (for instance, Office suites).
I hope that argument about "but apps are what phones have" is now thoroughly killed.
What I would like:
A tablet client that looks a bit more like the desktop client.
I've always thought that people that allow the "install from any location" option on their droids were a bunch of wankers.
Shame two other people (at the time of writing) didn't.
Re: It should be noted...
Microsoft don't inspect your email normally. Only Google do that all the time - and target adverts at you based on the content...
Woo, so some algorithm spots the word "baling twine" and I spend the next two weeks getting Amazon adverts for baling twine via Google's Adwords partners. This is a problem?
So much more invasive than someone manually poring over your emails. Seriously, if you think they aren't all at the Big Data game, you're blind. Google are just up front and honest about it, and seem to get all the bad press and smear campaigns, too.
If you want to worry about Google's advertbots analyzing keywords, then do also worry about Microsoft, Apple, Valve, Oracle, RIM, Amazon, Yahoo, in fact just about any company with any kind of online presence and probably most of those that still exist without one.
Your data is worth money. Business is about money. Microsoft. Apple, Oracle, RIM, Valve, Amazon, Yahoo, Facebook... all businesses. All with access to masses of customer and other user data. All with access to a resource that can positively impact their bottom line. Do the math.
Re: misreading history ?
was not going to happen as it was simply not possible.
I'm no chip designer, but I'd have figured anybody with an ounce of sense could have figured out this was marketing bullshit to promote their expensive new IA64 chips.
But yes, AMD64, and the rest is history.
Re: It should be noted...
And you get to walk round with the free Google dick in your arse at all times,
As opposed to Apple's giant boner, or Microsoft giving you the email-inspection shafting and not even having the courtesy to give you a reach-around?
And you pay good money for those options.
Re: Won't wow?
One problem for Firefox and ZTE is that the Motorola G already hit that price on a lot of plans
Thing is, I already have the perfect rolling monthly plan for me (as in, unlimited-means-unlimited data and tethering allowed). I want a phone, and you're never going to up-sell me to another contract.
Take that 24 month ball and chain away, and the SIM-free Moto G, while a nice price, is very much not as cheap and very much a sealed unit. No battery, no SD, no sale.
In a number of ways (CPU, internal storage most notably), this cheap and cheerful phone is better than the Xperia Arc S that I got just three years ago, for £300. The screen's not quite as shiny, I bet the camera is nowhere near as good, but for well under a hundred nicker after conversion, who cares?
If it has the usual required functions of an SD Card, portable access point/tethering, and a half decent (removable) battery, then colour me interested. I'll keep the old droids around for the apps and games, but this thing I'd happily use as a phone, so long as it works nicely.
In fact I imagine a lot of people won't give a damn so long as it works like a phone.
Re: Microwave is non-ionizing radiation.
And at that distance and power output, the microwave energy being absorbed by your metallic undies will be getting converted into heat and frying your gonads quite effectively.
And yes, yes I've been hit by a practical joker who wanted me to pick up an illegally-powerful 27MHz FM CB antenna, with the rig still live unbeknownst to me. Then he keyed the thing up. Most unpleasant.
Microwave is non-ionizing radiation.
This means that the stuff does not play smash-it-with-a-baseball-bat with your DNA. Unless water molecules rotating can cause cancer, you're going to protect approximately jack, and shit.
But I suppose some suckers will buy it.
Re: Nintendo pissed on their most avid customers
They won't sue you for copyright violation, however they will go after the video site (presumably Youtube) and rob you of every bit of advert income you might have gotten. Same effect, really. Why do a Let's Play of the latest Mario Kart and get nothing from it, when you can do a Let's Play of Jebediah Kerman's latest mission to Jool's moons and all you need to do is say that the game is "© Squad" somewhere in your video?
Re: Sony lost more.
At least Nintendo are still making traditional Japanese console games.
Honestly, asides the occasional crackpot title like Parodius, why is this a good thing?
And Parodius was/is made by Konami anyway. Probably one of the better side-scrolling shooters of the 16 bit and early 32 bit era. Not a Nintendo product.
Isn't Beats Audio just a funky way of saying...
..."I don't know how to use a graphic equaliser"?
Match made in heaven, I suppose.
Blank media/player taxes.
Well that obviously means that people in the countries affected by such taxes can copy as much as they like because they already paid for it, amirite?
Re: Proper Disguise
Orange high vis: £2.50
1000V insulated electrician's gloves: £3.50
Causing a 96 car pile-up: Priceless.
Would this kind of thing be feasible for a BOINC project? True, the inter-node latency is going to be terrible, but terrible is better than "none until the nice guys with the warehouse-size computers let us play with their toys".
Re: Good stuff
Maybe if he lets you sell it when you're bored with it.
Otherwise, no thanks. My copy, my license, my property. To give away or throw in a bonfire if I so choose. Not yours, Mr "I hate Second Hand Games" Braben.
DSGi used to have a phone-shop brand.
They sold The Link off to O2 a while ago when I was still wearing the purple shirt for PC World (I know, mea culpa and all that). Seems almost ironic that a phone shop brand should be buying DSGi.
Re: Please share my medical details, far and wide.
And this is exactly why opt-in is just fine, and opt-out is bullshit covering up for the seemingly obvious conclusion that the Chums in Westminster want to sell everyone's privacy down the river.
Surely if it were so beneficial....
...people would be happy to opt in?
Funny thing is I already opted out of this shite once, and then they wanted another opt out.
I OPTED OUT ALREADY, YOU FUCKING USELESS DICKWIPES.
Re: Boring Green Psyx Blowhard Boring Green Blowhard RegMidnight 40.... @Plump & Bleaty
...but I'm sure ethanol is the only drug these lessons apply to. Yep. Sure. Honest.
Re: So be proud
Because twice the area and population of Wales is still pretty small?
I'm sure there's American duck-call entrepeneurs who have back gardens bigger than Wales. Or perhaps Denmark.
I feel so spoiled.
When I was playing games in uni, it was either on a half decent PC, or courtesy of a hacked-up Playstation with "TOOL" written across the side.
They did have a "Games Club" there, but it seemed to be mostly obsessed with CoD. I'd just bring Kerbal Space Program in on a USB pen and play with that.
Inbetween doing proper work, of course.
Re: storm in a tea-cup
The thing is, the vast majority of users couldn't give a toss about a "pure" Android experience and will still end up going where ever the marketing dollars are spent which is with Samsung and Apple.
They'll start giving a toss in 2-3 years, when their cheapo no-name is still running the same ROM, and a Silver or Nexus device has just gotten the very latest Android version (with some new suitably widely-advertised feature) as an OTA update.
"There's more and more resemblance to Microsoft in the way it controls the PC experience every day. Best of luck [in the premium space], Google have won."
So what you're saying is that if I grab copies of Windows and splatter them everywhere, buggering about with the source, the UI and default apps and not even asking Microsoft about it nor giving them a penny, the worst they are going to do is... refuse me the right to put a "Designed for Windows 95" sticker on the box?
Don't be silly.
Mostly, yes. However, I can't imagine that the wind will be 0mph, as it's going to be slipping past the balloon as well as pushing it.
One way to find out, isn't there?
Re: Actually, Putin is making perfect sense!!
and (thankfully, non-pornographic) cat videos!!
Obviously never heard of FurAffinity, e621 or Weasyl.
How have I heard of them?
....I'll just get me coat.
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