1631 posts • joined 18 Aug 2008
> Now, getting close, taking out the camera and flashing her butt at point blank... that's a no-no. It's all about common sense and respect.
I totally agree. However, this is not an edge case. As in the article, the guy was plain and simply either a jerk or a sociopath and can't tell the difference between what is obviously OK and what is obviously not.
My comment is rather about what is less obvious and is probably at the root of most adolescents' (and many adults if I was honest) fears about approaching women or men that they are attracted to.
Other than the embarrassment of a rebuff, will they be accused of inappropriate behaviour for the approach even if it is sensible and purely conversational?
What is commonsense to some is not necessarily the same to others.
I just worry about overly broad legislation interfering with the normal run-of-the mill encounters between people trying to navigate the myriad conventions, customs and uncertainties of how people relate to each other in sexual matters.
Really all the legislature can do in the specific case of the article is deal with the problem of people snapping under women's skirts, specifically. Although this kind of reactionary legislation is difficult, I don't see a better way.
The situation regarding looking and exposure in society is incredibly complex.
In this case, I think most people can agree that the guy was deliberately being a dick.
Lots of other cases are rather more grey.
If a woman wears a short skirt, is she inviting attention or does it just make her feel good, or does that good feeling stem from an evolutionary urge to have men pay attention to her?
If the attention isn't overtly "jerky", does paying attention to a strange woman make you a creep merely because the attention is not reciprocated, and not a creep because it is?
Clearly context is important as well. Someone wearing swim wear (men and women) at the swimming pool probably have an expectation to not be ogled at. However, at the beach, perhaps the situation is different. How does one tell if a man or woman is actively looking for attention or just wants to be left alone?
It's really difficult to legislate in this area. Since we are sexual creatures and we all do on occasion crave sexual attention, we should be aware that despite the fact that we would all love to be left alone when we want and have attention paid to us when we want, mixed signals can and do lead us into all sorts of uncomfortable situations where we misinterpret the signs.
I would be very wary about drafting overly broad legislation in this area. The best you can do is cope with the obvious cases and let us all learn from experience for the grey areas.
Re: Too vague a law to be useful.
> The trouble is that you dont understand US State Law.
The trouble is, you don't understand humour.
> This an intern level mistake.
For AC above who evidently thought I was being serious (really?), erm, no it was a joke.
I thought the sarcasm would have been obvious, but I was evidently mistaken.
They need a new law:
"It is hereby illegal to be a jerk."
> after a study claimed that the lack of women in ICT roles was costing the European Union billions of euros.
When I read this I thought they were trying to say that more women in IT would result in lower wages.
At least I *hope* that's not what they're saying.
> Wow, a company charges to do things
As stated by others above, the provisioning service is totally automated. There is NO HUMAN INVOLVED...
Oh God, sorry I can't do this anymore. IQ level of respondents too low....
I can't bear it any longer...
> As a large company if you are going to offer an additional option its probably not worth charging much less than £16 for anything.
As others have stated above, you charging money for a manual process is fair enough.
But you can't compare it to a fully automated process that involves no-one at Dell actually installing the software. The installation will be performed by automated provisioning tools. There is no extra effort involved by anyone in installing Firefox on these machines since no actual person is involved.
Re: RE: service charge
> Yes. And I'm sure they install the OS and all of their utilities from scratch as well. Do you not think it's quite likely that they have this automated?
If the commenter thinks that Dell employs people to sit in front of a laptop installing software by hand, then they must be seriously naive.
If Dell have even an ounce of sense, all of this would be automated by tools. I would be surprised if people were involved at all.
I actually disagree. I've heard this argument before and it's flawed.
The problem with this kind of logic is that what would otherwise be perfectly legitimate behaviour (looking at pictures) becomes criminalised, withtout even getting into the boundary conditions of the popular traditions of Japanese anime and cartoons of what look to be "children".
The problem that society has is the abuse of children, not the viewing of pictures. Our obsession with pictures makes us think we're doing something noble while doing very little to actually deal with the problem.
By focusing on this, we lose sight of what the real problem is and fail to deal with it.
As we can see in this case, clamping down on paedophiles looking at pictures has made not one jot of difference to the problem of child sexual abuse because it just doesn't get to the gist of the problem at hand.
One reason for this is that is is much harder to detect people looking at pictures than it is to detect child abduction and abuse, despite the enormous amount of money and effort being pored into it.
I really do wish the politicians would stop banging on about paedophiles. I couldn't really give a shit about people that look at pictures as long as they keep their hands to themselves.
All these paedophile soundbites are just a smokescreen for the real problem of the abduction of children and forcing them into sexual slavery.
But then that's a really difficult problem to solve, with much of it being perpetrated in foreign lands.
> Furthermore, the party noted, there are currently no municipal jobs available to locals, irrespective of age.
The implication being that they are only hiring non-locals?
Assuming that you're not para-phrasing here, it does seem a strange way of putting it.
Well if prostitution is illegal in Spain like it seems to be in most places (or at least plying it in the street), then there may be a case to be made about an official of the government suggesting that she commit a crime. It many places that borders on an offense in itself particularly if there is coercion involved.
Re: MS adverts are always awful
> One constant throughout Microsoft's existence is that their advertising has always been cringingly bad.
Oh gosh yes.
They're so friggin' embarassing.
It's like being at a party and watching one of your drunken friends hitting on everything with a skirt...and doing it loudly.
Just for once I would like to see Microsft talking up their products rather then talking down their competition. Like political attack ads, they're all a race to the bottom.
Re: call me a cynic
> ignores the loss of IP
How can you lose IP by releasing source code? That's what copyright and patents are for.
If you don't have patents and don't assert copyright, you don't really have any IP.
Re: At least one Fed Reserve person has read about bitcoin
> This shows the need for regulation, but only the regulation of organisations holding BitCoins on behalf of others.
I thoroughly agree.
However, as a cynic I don't think the US government will do this.
Experience tells us that governments are rather more interested in chasing people for tax than clamping down on financial irregularity, otherwise the banking crisis would never have been allowed to happen.
> Maybe do some more research than just asking your mates next time?
It might well be a useful piece of software, but interestingly like Alastair, neither I nor any of my software house colleagues have heard of this application prior to the Facebook acquisition.
We obviously are not yoofy enough.
> However, the revival in its fortunes took several years. Canalys APAC MD Rachel Lashford told The Reg recently that it took five years from the takeover date for the division “to be operating at its full potential again”.
That's hardly surprising.
PCs are a declining market, still growing but most people are having problems in this area.
The mobile phone market is still rapidly expanding. I have no doubt whatsoever that Lenovo will make a quick go of Motorola.
> My point about terrorism is that destuction of infrastructure by thieves has similar consequences to actual attacks on infrastructure;
My first reaction to this was "no, of course not, otherwise you could say all crime was terrorism of one sort or another".
However, on reflection, perhaps we are confusing things a little here. The key aspect to this is not terrorism per se, but the cumulative effect of the said act. Certainly, I would like to see stiffer sentencing based on the fallout of the crime, which in the case of pinching back bone cables of this sort (and rail signalling infrastructure, of course) would be obvious to the perpetrators.
Re: Nexus 5
We're in New Westminster.
My wife sorted out the contract with my daughter so I don't really know much about the economics of it.
For myself, I have an old LG Shine Plus with a 7-11 SpeakOut (Rogers infrastructure again) SIM in it. (It makes sense for the economy of it for me: I don't make that many calls).
Rogers' have got decent enough coverage in this part of the world, at least it's not been a particularly big issue for us so far. Can't complain.
The kids gotta have the best and I tolerate this "solid" but slightly annoying phone.
Getting a Nexus 5 for my daughter. It's in BC now so we should get it in the next day or two.
Bought direct from Google: they have some in stock now so it makes no sense to pay over the odds on Ebay.
My daughter had a fiddle with one in the phone shop and liked the nippiness of the display.
Spec for spec it is on a par (if not a bit better) than the equivalent Galaxy and is actually quite a bit cheaper. Looks like a solid build.
The contract is with Fido but their charge of a locked/branded version of the Nexus5 is $150 more than buying it direct from Google. Figure that one out :O
We'll see. It looks like a cool phone though.
This all boils down to:
What Microsoft is afraid of is:
1) If ODF is the standard, what incentive is there for people to use their products?
2) Their support for ODF would have to be complete and it would have to work, of which neither is currently the case. Oh, and they would be able to keep changing it with each version of Office.
>treat everyone like we would like to be treated
>That is the single best advice one can give to people.
Unless you're a sado-masochist in which case I'd really rather you didn't/
Re: Well... So do some christians, hindus and even buddists (on a bad day)
> I guess they lost count a bit in Palestine.
I would suggest that they have a lot of catching up to do with the millions of people "exterminated" on the original journey to the promised land. But then it was OK wasn't it? After all, God said so.
That might be true, but then I'm not really a data user.
All my data usage is on Wifi and my current carrier provides GSM EDGE anyway.
If it's available as a tri-band GSM phone that would be fine for me.
It just looks like a cool phone and I would like to support other vendors.
I wouldn't mind stumping up for one of these.
But...I currently live in Canada.
Will have to talk to my EU friends.....
Re: Crucial difference
> If you are caught stealing someone else's pint in a pub
Jesus, I really wish journos like Andrew would stop using that word.
Really there's no excuse, they get enough flack on this forum.
Any credibility they have is shot to pieces when they try to equate copyright violation with theft.
Would make an interesting Playmobil story. Just sayin'
> As an ex-pat it is hard to maintain the illusion of British Superiority in all things in the face of this know-nuffink f-tardism.
Perhaps you've lost your sense of perspective over there.
Problem is, the US does seem to make a target of itself in many respects.
Back here in the UK, we're the ones supposed to have the ancient stupid laws not the 'Merkins.
Some things are eternal though. Politicians are politicians the world over for example: they all have their snouts in the public trough.
Re: There is a chance of a major win ......
> We can laugh but when people wanting their fix have it taken away the most inane things will be bet upon. I've known people to start working their way along the spice rack when short of tobacco!
Ah, raises an interesting image of someone smoking a cinnamon stick :D
> Try soap and warm water
Indeed. I believe bidets are increasingly popular just for this phenomenon.
Q:What's brown and sticky?
A: A stick
Re: Smart move
> Microsoft and co should be careful what they wish for.
Although interestingly, in this case at least, Microsoft don't seem to be the least bit bothered.
> The concern for artists and some labels is that streaming provides a fraction of the revenue of a digital download.
There's a good reason for this. The value of the thing obtained is much less. It is more akin to listening on the radio than getting a copy which you can listen to multiple times.
CD and vinyl have a higher intrinsic value being both physical and they have resale value.
That music sellers feel that they can command high prices for something as ethereal as a one-time listen is a total misunderstanding of the value that people place on things.
Re: It's not phone calls, it's data
> I was on a trip and met a Canadian who had his network off.
<sigh> It is all true. In Canada and the US, you have to *pay* to receive calls, even cold calls.
That's one of the reasons why cold calls on your mobile are so annoying here: they cost you money.
Re: That's not actually possible...
> Show me a .gov.uk site with the full text of the "British Constitution" that you claim exists, or you have FAILED.
Even if such a thing existed, do you really think our current fascist overlords would countenance such a thing as advertising it on official literature?
Funnily enough was just watching Micro Men on 'Tube just the other day and those old theme tunes from my early micro days brought back so many memories.
I remember at the time experiencing a lot of excitement over the coming computer age and seeing these wonderful machines entering our lives. These days just seem grey and boring in comparison. It was a very positive time for me.
And yes of course Chris Serle and Mac were a central part of the experience for me.
> ...or use public transport
Hah, you think they won't track you with your Oyster card or your monthly travel pass?
The options for travelling in cognito are being, one by one, deliberately eliminated.
The only way to be sure is to walk, wearing a balaclava.
Re: Wii failed
> While a financial success for the box shifter in Nintendo, the console itself was an epic fail. Mainly due to the reasons already given; looked AWFUL on a HD LCD telly, gutless and substance lacking games, kiddy visuals, non-gamers bought it (that should have said it all)... the list goes on.
Define epic fail.
Millions of people bought them and we still use ours at home.
Wii created a whole gaming niche all to itself, from people who wouldn't previously have thought about gaming: in a sens it brought gaming to the masses in a way that consoles had not done in the past.
How on earth you call that an Epic fail is quite beyond me.
The Wii U has failed because the bulky clever game pad solves no problem that anyone has. It doesn't open any significant edge in terms of gaming that anyone cares about. There is just no compelling reason to buy one. That's why it has tanked.
The problem that Nintendo has as a company is that no-one there has any imagination. They obviously have no vision for the future.
I get hay fever in the summer.
I think they should ban all flowers...you know...just to be safe.
That's certainly true for me.
The only way we will ever be free of control of the Internet is to take it back.
We need peer-to-peer infrastructure and wrest control away from the cable companies.
We already have multi-node protocols like BitTorrent which are far more efficient and give greater throughput than single source, single node transfers of data.
What we need are small, low power network nodes (a bit like the cell-phone picocells) and get a *lot* of people to buy them. Then gradually move over to this form of infrastructure.
The bad boys of the Internet would soon find that most of their traffic would dry up.
Not only that, it would be far more resiliant to attack or failure.
Do the guidelines mention how to protect yourself from the NSA?
No problems: just order another cheap-as-chips one from some guy in Taiwan on fleabay.
If memory serves, we had a CPC664 initially, but it quickly developed a fault.
When we took it back for an exchange, they had the 6128s in stock so we managed to wangle a trade up instead of a like-for-like replacement, paying the difference in price.
I had a CPC6128. A great little machine.
Re: To use or not to use computers, that is the question
> Car's not running.. Which one of the 2000 sensors is it? Oh aye, it's a crankshaft sensor. That'll be 12 hours labour please as we strip down the engine.
Living in Canada at the moment: got a Pontiac Montana "minivan" (that's people carrier to my brothers back 'ome). Engine compartment is "full" of engine. One of the problems with modern design is that you can design the engine and compartment to fit snuggly together to "save space". Trouble is, it makes it almost impossible to do anything without removing the engine.
Wanted to change the plugs some time back. It's a transverse V6 and half of the top of the engine is snuggly fitted under the bulkhead so you can't get at them. The best you can hope for is to disconnect the engine and rotate it on the bearers. Failing that, lift the whole damn thing out.
Some change is good, but I'm afraid common sense is often a casualty.
Re: To use or not to use computers, that is the question
> Motor driven electronic steering, with no mechanical linkage to the steering wheel would be in that case, it sounds counter intuitive, but there is a hell of a lot of stuff to go wrong in even a basic rack and pinion system, let alone a modern hydraulic power steering system.
Call me old fashioned if you will, but drive-by-wire car steering sounds incredibly scary.
Ugh, for a moment there I thought this was an article about Edwina Curry.
Does anyone else think that the picture looks like Edwina Curry?
Re: Haha, why not Robocop?
> Cops shouldn't be comparing themselves to Terminator, who was, himself, a criminal.
That's OK, laws can be changed.
Lord knows, copying files or watching your legally bought DVD on Linux is apparently a criminal offense these days. Going back in time and killing a officially classified dangerous subversive is small potatoes.
Larry Ellison is an arse.
But he's right.
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