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"The Aries rocket was tested and ready to go"
I heard Michio Kaku say that on Fox News.
Rage rage rage.
The _Ares_I_X_ was flown; if you don't think the difference is significant than listen up.
It was an aerodynamic test article made by taking a Space Shuttle rocket booster, replacing the avionics with prototypes and stacking EMPTY METAL on top to make it SHAPED LIKE an Ares-I, in the same way that a toy Ferrari is SHAPED LIKE a Ferrari.
Now I'm not criticising the having of an Ares-IX or on Griffin's project planning; he's the one with seven degrees in engineering, aerospace and business. He's the one who got Congress to pay for this stuff. He's the one who ran NASA.
However certain things are without dispute which you can read about here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ares_I#Schedule_and_cost
"due to technical and financial problems Ares I was not likely to have had its first crewed launch until 2017–2019 under the current budget, or late 2016 with an unconstrained budget ... Ares I and Orion would have an estimated recurring cost of almost $1 billion per flight ... Charlie Bolden testified to congress that the Ares I would cost $4–4.5 billion a year, and $1.6 billion per flight"
Look around. The year is 2013. Falcon 9 has flown repeatedly. And the cost gap is wide enough to safely fly a rocket through.
Re: Ryan Galactic
"You both paid the same amount in bit coins ..."
I would think most people getting into this sort of thing are well aware of the risks and quirks of esoteric currencies.
Re: You are kidding .. right ?
I'm not sorry if it doesn't happen to work on whatever phone you happen to have on release day. They have nothing to feel sorry about. In any case, they have finite funds – which you can donate to, if you wish – and in any case you can rig it up yourself for the good of the world. That's what this is for, by the way; good of the world.
"strugglerd with do anything practical and productive like coding a website that actually looked good"
You hired a computer scientist to do ARTWORK? And the results were bad? The problem is you.
Re: EVOLUTION of IT
"Appstore an evolution of Linux repositories, hilarious."
For what it's worth it is a lot like Lindows CNR.
Re: Not Watching
I've watched every single episode and movie. Recently. They play real fast & loose with the continuity and there isn't a single Trek series that isn't half crap on an episode to episode basis. So I'm frequently astounded by the way trekkies talk about it.
You, for example, seem to take real seriously a point that isn't even relevant:
"Any federation planet was governed by a single government"
There had to be a single top government, but nations and states we're familiar with were routinely mentioned including France, Florida, Ukraine and Iowa. These are together with various off-Earth colonies under a common Earth government; think of the US with its federal government, constituent state & territory governments, counties, towns, etc.
There was even a ship in TNG labeled as built in the USSR.
Now you might say these are "regions" and I can accept "France" being a region.
But not Iowa.
If the American states were to all disband and be folded into one actual single government, there is no way each individual flyover state is going to retain its identity. The whole region would be seen as a great big cornfield with cities in it.
Star Trek is a silly show. It was silly when Kirk asked an alien "Are there any men on your planet?" and it was silly when Janeway solved yet another problem by blowing up the ship.
Let it be silly.
The exhaust is actually the part that vectors. If you watch launch footage of the second stage in flight you can see it steer to perform attitude control. This way the main engine nozzle doesn't have to vector.
Here's a fantastic clip of the Space Shuttle main engine vectoring in a test fire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK0nG9aY6qU
Flame, because, you know.
Re: Proper programming language
I agree with all y'all on this thread; universities teach computer science, not a programming language. One has to be mentally equipped to pick up a new language when needed. If you move from one platform to another, you may need to learn Java, Objective-C, even the native assembly language or a new scripting language. That's just how it is.
"Verily He hath smoted them."
Somehow I can easily imagine someone believes that, in spite of the fact that he missed and none of them died.
Re: Just what you need
Ahem, just to add, I didn't mean to imply CERN is a US agency. The LHC did however cost a few billion of public money and does not have an obvious, immediate material benefit compared to other things that European states could have spent a few billion on. But I stand by its existence because it's important and it's not the only few billion around.
Re: Just what you need
I'm sorry but it's a false choice. I too know what poverty is, and I'm glad to see someone going. I will never begrudge the few billion spent on the public Mars program, because it – along with anything we can do end poverty – is what a great society does. Unfortunately you are going to have to _convince_ people to help the poor because not everyone agrees with you on if or how to do that. That, not the fact that a sliver of the public money is spent on exploration, is your enemy. You can tear down NASA, DARPA, CERN, hell even the DoD and every gun we have and it'll still be in your way. Deal with _that_ and stop throwing poo at one of the most amazing things we're doing right now.
Re: Just what you need
Ahh, that special indignance that only ever appears in the presence of space or science. I assume the untold billions spent around the world on other luxuries are of course perfectly legit and far more noble, since this topic is literally the only one where people spam the threads with this drivel.
Now if he spends his money on a private jet fleet to carry his furniture while he travels like the Saudi monarchs, nobody would say shit. You know it's true.
Re: Not that careful with the dates
I'd like to add, while the entity in question might be 26k years old, the delay means we are _looking_ at a 1k-year-old object. If you study it what we can see, than you are studying a 1k year old black hole. For all practical purposes, it might as well be a one thousand year old remnant, and we all know how this time thing works, so it's okay to call it as we see it.
Re: I see nothing wrong
Re: Not Related?
Don't get all "space time is curved" on us.
If they're in a moving group then they're subject to roughly the same forces and will follow the same trajectory. If an asteroid "swooped" – they don't, by the way – you'd expect everything traveling with it to swoop along with. Unless, of course, they're not the same cluster.
Gravity is not selective. It drops with the inverse square law and at these scales and distances the gravity gradient is irrelevant to a cluster of meteoroids. It's not going to pluck one out and send it on some winding path.
"IIRC they mothballed one for "emergency" re-commissioning"
I think that's from a Family Guy episode.
The shuttle is not for emergencies even when the program is fully active; it is very complicated and time consuming to prepare it for launch and sensitive to weather. Delays are rampant. Even when the fleet was live, it could take months to prepare a shuttle for flight and it usually would not do so immediately.
Which is fine for what it is, but what it isn't for is emergencies.
If they wanted to rush one up right now and money were no object, I'd bet it'd take 1 year absolute minimum and have a high risk of loss of mission or crew.
Finallly; the Shuttle cannot do missions beyond low earth orbit. It only has about 300 m/second of delta-v. This is about 1/10 what the Apollo CSM could do. Intercepting an asteroid is even harder. When one is _passing_ by the Earth you'd have to get up past Earth escape velocity. If it's coming _at_ the Earth, things get much hairier.
Again, totally OK for what it is, but what it isn't for is intercepting asteroids.
"shit out lots of radiating"
Interestingly, "duck and cover" is actually good advice here as well as in nuclear attacks and this event illustrates why _perfectly_.
People were injured by glass debris. If you saw the flash from inside and stared out the window while your friend ducks and covers, only one of you is going to get a shitload of glass in your face.
Nuclear bombs shit out lots of radiating. The flux drops off with the inverse square law, while the atmosphere in the device's vicinity is superheated and rushes outward. In a small area, everyone will die; in a much, much larger area, people staring at it will get a face full of glass, photons and more. They will be scalded, blind and cut while anyone who ducks and covers will not. If it has a moderate effect on the building, people under desks will be safer.
In short; the vast majority of people effected by a given nuclear detonation _will_ be better off if they duck and cover. Unless you know factually that you're in the minority of people who are 100% auto-screwed – and you don't – it is totally legit to duck and cover.
Mushroom cloud, because, boom.
I guess Van, Halen are out :(
Re: If there is life out there, they're keeping quiet
"They would have seen intelligence arising before we even recognized ourselves."
No, not if there's a billion or so living planets to look at, and not if they don't actually send a probe all the way here.
Statistical data including the article in question suggest there may be _at_least_ several tens of billions of habitable-zone, terrestrial planets. We don't yet know what fraction of those are actually alive, but if it's even only 1% than you have an astounding number of planets.
We wonder what subset of those have civilization, but for the fermi paradox to be an actual paradox, we _also_ have to assume that it's common to obsessively probe and ping the shocking number of worlds out there.
There could be a civilization 10 lightyears away that doesn't even know Earth is alive _at_all_ simply because it doesn't transit the Sun from their viewing angle and there isn't another way to make good observations.
We. Don't. Know. And our ignorance is not evidence of anything.
Re: poor FX
"Only because they are forced too after blowing $100 billion on a space station they can't even get to on their own. A fool tends to be thrifty after he is parted from his money."
The HSF program is mandated from on high (Congress) and explicitly designed to cost a lot without looking too cool.
Can't piss on them for that.
Re: poor FX
It's maybe a 10 year old digital camera connected to a computer from the 90s, trained on a radically far, small and dim target.
If you expect it to look any better, it's your ignorance talking.
Can NASA make it look better? Yes, for barrels and barrels of money, by sending a new, purpose-built probe to the object in question.
Instead they did the fiscally responsible thing; use an asset they have that still works to get pictures good enough to be useful.
"Oh please, EVERYBODY does it to inflate profits."
Indeed. Some are just bad at it.
What you say resonates with me, but they explicitly mentioned forged documentation. If this was in violation of local law, that is a matter for their society.
I love the media.
"We don't think this is very helpful."
Re: I'm actually interested in the new iPhone
"And this will be different from the next upgrade of Android how, exactly?"
Pedantically speaking, it's different cause while Android is cloned off an almost 50 year old OS, iOS is actually forked.
Something like UNIX > BSD > NeXTStep > OS X > iOS, or . . . something like that.
Re: Wallowing in it here
I'm with both of y'all. There's a lot of really amazing stuff technologically, but only a smaller fraction of the world has access to it. There is much cause to rejoice. Also a metric @#$%-load of work to do. Let's rock!
Whereas it's the DoO, it is a warplane (guns or not) but it's pretty hard to call it secret when the USAF posts photos of it on their blogs.
Re: X-37 - Prototype weapons platform?
You literally cannot launch a satellite with it because it IS a satellite. You need a satellite lifter (an Atlas V launch vehicle) to lift it. It is, itself a satellite bus that you can recover, upgrade / modify and use again.
The main purpose mighhgt be exposure testing pf the machine itself. The concept of the vehicle is that it is a newer heat shield technology than the shuttle that is supposed to remain usable after an extended period in orbit.
You can also test various instruments across multiple flights with buying new satellite buses each time, and finally, bring the satellite down and reinstall it into a different orbit (again without having to buy a new sat).
If efforts from the likes of SpaceX come to fruition and radically lower launch costs, than the cost of the satellite bus will become a much greater fraction of the mission. This might be them working ahead.
Re: Not with Musk now they won't
No, that would be stupid. The whole point of the exercise is to spread the development and fixed costs among as many customers as possible. The military already has two dedicated lifters with longer and better records than SpaceX. They want the costs, which depend on having non military rockets.
Its not a secret stellite. It's just a kerosene rocket.
The General has no legal authority over Mister Bubba. It is perfectly within his rights to ask the man not to burn the Koran. He was actively involved in the violence over there and had a good enough angle on it to say it would rile people up and incite real world violence.
Torching a Koran is not shouting fire – but a general making a phone call or email or whatever is not a law.
@White v Hispanic and Black
There is no national language. A lot of government materials are available in Spanish. The main split I could see is along political lines – this whole red state, blue state thing – but the problem with that is that most states are essentially purple; the redness comes from the winner-take-all voting system where a state's red on the map if the Republican won 55:45 or something.
In any case, the main line of tension seems to be conservative / liberal and racial lines are extremely secondary. Even a hypothetical succession of Texas wouldn't see all the blacks getting kicked out or enslaved or anything of the sort.
Re: Too bad ACs can't pick their icon...
FWIW, while he's eligible for the death penalty and the US military does have capital punishment, they haven't actually bothered to execute anyone in many decades.
It's the army we're talking about, not Texas. lolz.
Re: Folk still using IM clients?
Same experience. Used to be everyone I knew was on MSN, but not MSN is always deserted. It wasn't like this last year.
Re: What's bothering you Lewis?
Maybe cause he singles out what is simultaneously the most benign, inspiring and financially irrelevant thing we do and paints it as "that thing we do instead of saving the world" – while simultaneously doing something dramatically more fun and useless using the tools and intellectual product of those he pisses on.
Agreed. It's a monsterously fun game and making the run / shoot decision makes it more engaging. It's a realistic constraint (you can't run backwards and fire a shotgun IRL) that keeps it interesting. In any case I played the hell out of it and my brother played the hell out of and my friends did too.
Nobody's there for the silly dialogs. It's a fun game. And if one doesn't want to play it, well, there's Call of Duty, Halo and a long line of other games for you to play without getting your paws all over our good time.
Re: It's "math", singular.
You can't mandate correct usage _and_ say "language mutates" in the same post. Language mutates... Therefore dictionaries and such are _descriptive_, not _proscriptive_. Or you can tell us what the "proper" usage is and pretend nobody else is supposed to use it any different from you. You don't get to have your cake and tell us how to spell it too.
Re: Self destruct?
"Hmm, isn't a lower orbit likely to bring it down where it came from? Do these things now self destruct or is everyone waiting until one of these returning gadgets makes a possibly radioactive hole where it's really inconvenient, such as in the middle of a cricket ground?"
The gadget is not radioactive. Normally, only deep space probes and exotic milsats feature nuclear power.
All sats in LEO will _eventually_ come down. They do so as artificial meteors.
Compared to meteors, parts are less likely to hit the ground. Meteors tend to be dense iron blobs while sats are made of a lot of delicate, light-metal parts which break up easily and evaporate from the heat.
Sats tend to be disposed of by intentionally de-orbiting them so the debris doesn't hit a populated area; they target the ocean. Even very large sats like Mir can be disposed of this way.
This gadget in particular still has control and fuel, therefore they can dispose of it properly when appropriate.
In short; this is unfortunate, but the damage may be little more than an insurance payout and some embarassment for SpaceX.
It's all OK.
Re: Warp is not a linear scale
FWIW, the writers declared that the "warp 10 is infinity" episode was non-canon because they and most everyone hated the hell out of it. Other episodes have referred to warp figures over 10.
So I think we can safely say that the warp scale is based on "like, whatever or something".
Re: "Goldeneye was pretty much the foundation for first person shooters"
"It was the first FPS to show that it could work with a gamepad rather than a mouse and keyboard, IMHO"
I really adored playing Turok on the same pad. It was easy to precisely aim, strafe, jump and do everything I needed at the same time.
Re: US leadership in space
We just launched supplies a few weeks ago. The mission was a success. We're upgrading it to carry seven people. Soyuz'll have nothing on it.
Re: And the solution is?
My favorite music brings me continuous joy and I for one am glad the artist behind it can make a living and really devote themselves to it, rather than trying to cram it in after hours so that I don't have to feel bad about someone else making money.
"If you expect all creative people to work as hobbyists, you'll get hobby-quality art. And no more than that."
People like to run their mouths about how all big-budget Hollywood stuff is crap and we should only want hobby-quality productions, yet a hell of a lot of what's downloaded for free is what you can only make with big budgets; vapid tech demos like Transformers 3 and the like.
That and post pictures of it on their blog.
I love the future!
It'll be the biggest in the world and the third largest in history after the Saturn V and Energia.
They can call it a monster.
Would you also say "Saturn is not a large planet" because it's way smaller than Jupiter? It's enormous.
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