"...insisting the data it collects is encrypted and cannot be accessed or used by unauthorised parties."
hmmm..... where have I heard THAT before?
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"...insisting the data it collects is encrypted and cannot be accessed or used by unauthorised parties."
hmmm..... where have I heard THAT before?
"In its day, Flash was the kind of product Adobe does so well"
Incorrect!. It was originally from Macromedia NOT Adobe. Adobe bought the company and got Flash with it.
"This latest security vulnerability is, as always, triggered when the plugin tries to play a malicious Flash file – allowing hackers to download malware onto PCs and effectively hijack the computers so passwords and more can be stolen."
This is because all those morons abuse Flash to build application-like code! Flash wasn't intended to build apps but to make interactive and active (read: animated) webpages. If you use flash like it should then there aren't any problems at all.
"...it's time to take the software round the back of the shed and shoot it... "
Big talk from an online "tech-"magazine that's lost a lot of credibility the last few years. Due to spilling nonsense like this. The only thing you do with articles like this, is spread FUD!
If Flash is used like should be and for what is was intended then there's no problem with Flash. Something everyone with enough common sense knows (or should know).
"...Even if Adobe put its top programmers working on Flash, a free piece of software, a lot of people around the world are very keen to find exploitable bugs in the plugin so they can break into victims' computers..."
Not to mention that spreading FUD like this only makes matters worse instead of ease the situation. Sure El Reg, we got it... YOU hate Flash... blablabla.
"Many netizens have recognized that Flash is too old and doddery ..."
You mean the gullible ones that take these articles seriously?
"The fact is, Flash is just not fit for purpose."
No it is PERFECTLY fit for the purpose it was intended! To build animated and interactive webpages! It's NOT fit to build applications and games.
"The worst, very worst, part of it all is that Steve Jobs was right."
No he wasn't! The reasons Jobs didn't want Flash had a more personal nature than he obviously wanted to admit. He used "security" as a sophism. But you are free to believe what you will. Fact is parroting Apple's specious arguments isn't helping anyone.
So stop spreading FUD and write some REALLY interesting tech-articles.
"A Windows 'universal app' is surely just what Android apps have always been,"
Indeed. But Android apps are roughly said, "Java applets on testosteron". Since Java is already universally compatible and quite easy to program, it must be quite easy to "port" Android apps to other platforms and probably explains the surge of Android apps. The proof is that Android today, comes in ARM- and Intel-compatible camps. And indeed most of these apps run on both platforms due to Android's Java heritage I guess. Only a handfull apps have separate Intel and ARM-variants (e.g. VLCplayer).
I reckon things will be more difficult when in the future Dalvik gets replaced with ART.
"...They always come back around and are simply inappropriate in such sensitive spheres as cooperation in space exploration..."
Oh dear, we are so very far of the late Mr. Roddenberry's vision of peaceful cooperation with each other to pursue space exploration and deep space research.
It seems that Mr. Lucas' vision of a ragtag bandits infested world of greed, corruption and abuse of power is more real.
It's also clear that this ISS will never evolve into the Death Star ;-)
No, it's actually like RISC OS 3.
Well done, canonical!
Funny guys on El Reg.
When an linux-distro assembled by a rich and wealthy bloke gets something new it's all big fanfare. Suddenly they use big words like "more in line Fitt's Law".The funny thing is that some of the things shown here have more in common with British invented RISC OS, which was literally AGES ahead of its time.
Have these El Reg guys EVER used RISC OS at all? THAT menu system is compliant with Fitt's Law this is just a linux-distro mimicking OSX with different colours. Bleh! :-(
"You can say phablet, we prefer “phondleslab”.'
Naah, what about craplet
"Some applications bought between 1999 and 2010 still in use won't even run at all on Win7, never mind Win8. Often newer versions more buggy, no worthwhile extra features"
Not to mention the LOSS of features. Theater mode (Overlay) is STILL not properly implemented in all driver software from AMD in Windows 7/8. I doubt that the NVidia situation is much better. :-(
"Currently 2014- 2015 is looking unpleasant IT wise."
imho 2014-2015 is looking unpleasant. Period.
Politicians ripping us off, Tech going haywaire. Western economy being fed by greed and incompetence. We're doomed :-(
The big question anyone should ask is this:
Why is a program that moves the icons slightly to the right to make space for a button 3,5GB in size?
I thought 8.1 was an "upgrade" to 8.0? Shouldn't that be no more than... say...a CD (700MB) max.?
"yet they could have used the other method for all saving a lot of internet bandwith."
I reckon Balmer's out of shares of Verbatim :-)
"Would have to be a short movie if you're doing the update on a Surface RT - took less than an hour including the download (2.11GB). A 45 minute episode of some TV show would suffice!"
an old Porn flick? :-)
More detailed photos of this PiCano case at
And the page below has a mounting animation + a few details o/t assembly process.
It's all in Dutch but the photos are self-explanatory and very interesting.
Click on "Producten" on the left column.
Enjoy the pics.
" suppose the silent end of computing has gone to tables."
Funny you'd say that.
My Raspberry Pi is totally silent and it's even build inside a Pi-Cano case (which has a clear plexi sitting 2mm above the cpu see photo: http://www.riscository.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/DSC_0053.jpg). The setup looks amazing.
I have currently 2 Pi's in this enclosure. One is running Lighttp-webserver continuously for about 8 months now. Needles to say what OS the other Pi runs :-)
Not to mention all high-end smartphones run totally silent yet they pack some serious computing power considering their size. Whenever I play some high-end 3D games my SGS3 I'm amazed how powerfull it is and yet the SGS4 is roughly twice as fast (with more pixels to move as well)!
I reckon "ARM-computers" have come a long way since their 6502-forefathers.
"this critter even allowed me to use inline assembly straight within my basic program."
BBC Basic (as used in RISC OS) still can.
if you have a Raspberry Pi, boot up with RISC OS
--> press CTRL+F12 (to open a shell window) or F12 (to go outside the desktop)
--> Type BASIC + enter
--> type HELP [ (all uppercase, square bracket) <--- to show which assembly commands are available.
Good stuff :-)
I totally understand you Jason. I felt excactly the same with my Oric 1 while the rest of my puny world all had a ZX Spectrum.
The Oric's Basic manual was very good though... I learned English from it ;-)
"Given that 90% of the non-fanbois/fandroid (ie remotely reasonable) complaints about WinPhone is the lack of apps"
No I complained about the lack of FEATURES! I couldn't care less about apps. A good webbrowser is more important.
"However, just using a Nokia 925 or 920 with a the Nokia Pro Camera App tells you all you need to know about how superior Nokia is in the camera department ...."
I use a Nokia 808PV excactly because of it's quality as a comms-device. It is very loud so i definitely don;t ever miss a call. It has amazing call-recording quality loud and clear literally. A much better maps app which accept input from both calender and contacts. And the best screen ever (unfortunately with a fairly low resolution compared to newer flagship phones). Plus physical call/end-call keys are required on a PHONE! Especially with all the bloody callcenters these days.
"Why would that happen? Nokia are heading back into profit, Lumia market share is growing at over 30% a quarter, and he pulled off a stunningly cheap deal to by out the rest of NSN...."
I reckon you too believe in Santa...
"That's mostly why I moved to Windows Phone, no crapware, - as well as being faster, smoother and nicer to use."
If only some basic telephony features would work. Things like full 2-way call recording. Which allows me to properly use my smartphone when driving. Using a BT headset and automatic call recording my cellphone is basically my personal sercretary (sans the netstockings and miniskirt). Which becomes more and more important at a time when more and more countries prohibit the use of cellphones while driving.
Not to mention the ability to sync locally with Microsoft's OWN PIM would seriously help when the sky is cloudy (pun intended). This would cater for the people whom held contact/client-confidentiality very high like me or who use their phones in the real world without 4G/HSDPA-towers planted on every tree. Because cloud-necessity is absurd in WP. It's a bloody miracle that you can recharge the damn things without a connection to Live!
"Does Apple patch OS's that are 12 years old anymore?"
... and were do they stand? STILL an insignificant blip on the radar. They lost me after they ditched that beautiful brushed metal look from 10.4.x to a ridiculously dated grey gradient 90's look of 10.5 without giving me the option to revert to the brushed metal look (especially when their computers and peripherals finally had a brushed metal enclosures).
Apple is as bad as microsoft. I'd rather have Acorn computers LTD. back alive than those 2 crap-corporations. It's all crap these days. Crapp phones, crap computers and crap OS's.
"Upgrade or we'll tell people how to break your stuff and steal things."
What? Do they really think we gonna roll over when they bark?
Microsoft is so fucking stupid. Instead of blackmailing their largest customers-base they should release a Windows XP mark 2 (upgraded internals from Win7/8 and UI of Win XP).
Why is that so hard? Why so much resistance with Windows XP?
"There's always iCloud if you want to store more than your phone can hold."
Sure it will definitely help in my area where the only achievement my local telco's have done over the past 5 years is bragging about how good their 3G networks were while in reality sucked even worse than a 70 year old hooker with false teeth!
"The best smartphones are now made by Sony:"
Oh please.... Stop smoking that rotten crack.
Sony stopped making good smartphones after the P910i and stopped making good camera-phones after the K850i.
And I stopped caring about them ages ago.
"Before Windows 8 even came on the scene PC shipments were declining quite heavily"
PC sales are NORMALIZING back to normal consumer levels of 1 (one) PC per household. Instead of the exaggerated 4-PC household of yesteryear.
"Actually Apple gets desktop computing right - the UI on an iMac has nothing much wrong with it. "
Are you insane? Apple removed all the professional stuff from OSX to make it into a candy-OS. You NEVER have a choice in UI Apple chooses for you. You NEVER have a choice of apps. Apple dictates whether you get a new webbrowser or not! Fuck Apple! They are as worse as microsoft.
The only OS I had ever fun with is RISC OS.
"Would be nice to see some lawsuits flyiing about copying/ripping ! The year will pass interestingly."
It wont happen they missed their change.
Windows 8 without start-button.
--> this means that the bottom iconbar looks even more like OSX's Dock... and yet not a peep from the fruit-factory.... they've lost their pedals, I guess.
"And that's ok! It really is! Palm had some great ideas too, as can be seen by the switcher."
Funny I thought the switcher looked more like Harmattan's than Palm's.
"Re: And iOS9, due in 2 years, will have the features of Android 4.2, out last year"
which Symbian had 2 years before.
E.g. Clock with fatter font as hours (Symbian Belle 2011) or call logs with divider for missed, received, made calls (Symbian since forever)
All those Americans are thieving hypocrites!
Desktop OS's ripping off features from UK's invented, created and developed RISC OS (antialiasing onscreen fonts with hinting and kerningm iconbar, contextsensitive menu's etc...)
Phone OS's ripping of features from Finland's Symbian (which is in essence ex-UK's Epoc32).
F T all!
"Don't pay it and they can't charge it"
Which is exactly what I'm gonna do. Fuck them. I'll invest that money in a fine Haswell PC and Sony can G T H!
"Seriously, children are able to learn the Windows 8 interface easily in no time. You really want to argue that you're less intelligent and IT capable than them?"
You mean as long as the newly installed apps automagically appear on the start-screen and they don't have to figure out how to access the "All Apps" screen.
Oh and what's wrong with the "X closes the app"... come on.. dragging down the window to close an app... how stupid is that? And who would have figured THAT out?
And then there's the ridiculous amount of steps to close down the Windows... is that progress? Really? Oh Dear!
Sorry but windows 8 is NOT an intuitive OS when the majority of apes have been trained to use a start-button and a start-menu with a simple upwards menu (with easy accesable "All programs") and shutdown.
In fact if I really need to revert back to a 90's look of an OS then I'd rather use RISC OS on Raspberry Pi. At least THAT combo boots up insanely quick (and is really intuitive).
"And you think that Android, iOS and Windows don't suffer from the same?"
I almost went to war on Finland because of that shoddy Lumia 800. I was about to sue Nokia-Care, Nokia Belgian HQ, the chain that sold me the Lumia and the nokia-appointed repaircenter. My Lumia went 3 times back for repair. When it got back for a third time (a screen replacement) most of the side-buttons didn't work. They couldn't fix one thing without breaking something else. Then there was the abysmal battery life on the lumia 800 (which Nokia kept promising to fix with a software patch which never came), the awefully quiet sound, a severly crippled featureset (e.g. no BT transfers at all), most of the things that you took for granted on ANY phone didn't work intuitive or simply didn't work at all (try adding a ringtone to a Lumia 800, oh dear!)
Compared to my Windows Phone 7 experience, Symbian is a godsend! Despite its "flawed" browsing experience or less then optimal email-client. At least you can HEAR your 808PV when someone calls.
And when you missed the call there's a noticable blinking light (on the menu key). On the Lumia's there's nothing, zilch, nada!
I love mine too. But I would have loved a few more settings especially spot- and center-weighted metering. Cranking up EV doesn't always cut it.
My SGSIII does have adjustable metering. Though EV is only upto +2 or -2 while the 808 does a massive +4 and -4!
"Whatever Elop did he wasn't going to get a polished, competitive version of Symbian in time to compete with iOS and Android."
Yet... The company formerly known as RIM held up high and did exactly what Nokia didn't do! Keep believing in their own native OS's. They took the best real-time OS from a fellow Canadian company mixed it with the best tech of their own and turned it into a jewel! Their new BB were released many years AFTER the N9 and 808!
Nokia had 2 assets. Meego/Harmatan which took rave reviews even from the known anti-Nokia crowd and the only native European real-time OS which had proven it's reliability time and again. Which even defeated the mighty Windows Mobile!
What happened afterwards is a badly written and worse directed horror movie! One man single handedly drove thousands of employees into poverty, turned factories into wastelands and ruined Europe's only telecom giant in LESS then one year! He is the WORST CEO in the history so far! Even Sinclair's catastrophes (C5 anyone?) are small fish compared to this!
Current Qualcomm MSM8960 Snapdragon designs can only handle 13mpixel camera modules. MS only use this SoC for WP8 ATM. This either means that Nokia created a custom chip (with Toshiba perhaps) to downsample the sensor image to 13mp in real-time. Or they simply have a BSI 13mp camera module with ois and xenon-flash and sell this as pureview.
The first is exactly like 808 pureview (true pureview) the second is fakeview (like Lumia 920).
Now add 2-way call recording and USB/BT/wifi syncing (client confidentially prohibit me from using clouds) and I might "look" at it.
"here is one downside and that is the fixed focus 5Mb camera - it is no good for close-ups. "
The "trick" is to use a magnifying glass :-)
for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ0goAEaKn0
Sure and it'll come with Santa too....
In fact didn't they promised the best camera with the 920 too? They even had to resort to fake advertisments to sell it.
IF Nokia release a full 38mp PV-system on the Windows Phone then they have a hell of job to do to rewrite the WP-included camera-app (which I strongle doubt they can or may!). The current camera app has almost no additional settings beyond turning the flash on or off.
I'll see it when I see it. Until then the only good camera phone is this 808PV.
Besides my requirements are a bit more than a smooth tile face and camera. I also want an FM-transmitter, full 2-way call recorder and local Syncing with Outlook/MS Office. I also want a file manager with bluetooth sending (even to other phones with other OS's like Android)
In fact in Windows Vista and 7 is a "sync center" or "mobility center" build in to no avail (as it doesn't work with WP? MS Own PIM can't be locally synced over e.g. USB to a phone with an MS build OS? How lame is that!!!
Nokia blew it for me with their abandoning of Harmatan (which was almost production ready) and as for MS... After their horrid abandonment of Windows Mobile users they blew it for me! Fuck them both!
"rotten to the very end, and slow and poor at rendering pages."
Stop repeating the anti-Symbian propaganda! It doesn't suit you! You should remain open-minded and above all fair. You seem to forget that Symbian on the 808 ONLY runs on a 1,3GHz single core Arm11 cpu with a lowly 512MB of system RAM. This is no a quad core ARM Cortex-A9 (Exynos 4) with multi-core Mali400 GPU like the popular sweetheart of El Reg.
I've filmed a small clip showing you that the Nokia's WEB is NOT SLOW at all. But that Web is very competent considering it's modest system demands. This clip includes visiting the El Reg website amongst others.
"The built-in messaging client only handles one Exchange ActiveSync account at a time"
So does many other email clients on phones so... including many Androids.
"let alone basic features such as flagging messages."
Oh please... flagging messages was/is a typical outlook feature and is not relevant to the majority of people whom only use email on their phone as a temporary stop-gap. I find perfect local outlook syncing more important then many "exchange" accounts. At least when you flag a message on the desktop and sync your phone the message shows it flag!
"And the OS no longer supports CalDev calendars"
Which lacked one important feature (password encrypted logons) which is the probable reason why Nokia removed that feature altogether. Let's not forget that Mr. Elop killed off the entire Meego and Symbian workforce so adding new features (or improving existing features) to the OS had been compromised by the time the 808 got released!
Luckily there seemsto be a small skeleton crew at Accenture working on some minor tweaks and small improvements/bug-fixes for Symbian. But regretably most Symbian users don't expect much anymore.
This is PURE Elop's doing!
Anyway, out of the box and the few shortcomings not withstanding the 808 is a great device and it's a damn shame that the last remains of the last European native OS is left to die! The creators whom started Epoc all those years ago must be disgusted by all this!
It's filmed using a Samsung SGSIII >:->
"So you don't think Nokia's complete inability to develop anything in response to iOS was a bigger issue?"
Nokia had developped a thing in responce to iOS. It was called Harmattan and was sold as the N9. Well before they hastingly thrown some cheap compal crap with WP7 bolted on to the market. In fact the N9 had rave reviews even from the anti-Nokia crowd.
Why does everybody expect that when today after phone OS A comes out company N creates tomorrow OS B to counteract? It takes time to develop these things. How long "they" been doing Tizen? Or RIM doing BB10? I hear nobody doubting them. Jolla only showed a real protoype earlier this week/month. In fact how long did it took Google to get Android (from Android inc.) to where they are now?
Be patient. One day there will be another phone OS or phone-product be the new popular kid. It might be Jolla or Tizen or a phone with Ubuntu. Who knows? Does anyone remembers that israeli product ELSE? What became of them?
"After all, HTC seem to have some very nice phones, some look nicer to me than the Samsungs, but it doesn't seem to be doing them any good."
That's because HTC STILL don't GET IT! They STILL think THEY know what the customer wants while Samsung actually take note and try to deliver on the more important aspects of a device. They choose function over form. They'd rather deliver an all plastic phone WITH removable battery AND micro-SDcard-slot then a full metal jacket without these. Because they KNOW that additional (extended) batteries create more revenue AND THUS MORE PROFIT (on that same sold device) plus they add to the longevity of a device. The same with SD-cards.
HTC (and LG too for that matter) just fool around like headless chickens dumping Android phones without a clue hoping that one of their models "stick" to the consumers. They could start by visiting e.g. the XDA-forum and actually READ with punters write/want about their devices.
"Had Nokia gone Android, then they might be in the same boat as all the other manufacturers of 'Droids who don't live in Korea."
...whom already served Windows Phone as a side-dish in their portfolio...
The article spoke of "An efficient supply chain, sleek products and crisp marketing ". Nokia had all this until mr. Eflop decided to axe it ALL. Nokia just as Samsung had online stores, software online stores, it's own native factories , great engineers whom made sleek products and a crisp marketing system. They now have nothing... not even their own HQ building anymore.
In fact they COMPLETELY neglected that one or two phones that turned consumers heads. The fantastic camera phone 808 PurView and the N9. Both models sold substantial WITHOUT ANY advertising at all. Only by enthousiasts reviews and tests (even by renowned photography sites like e.g. DPreview). And even today Nokia does everything to clear peoples memories of that 808 which was THE highlight of Mobile Phone Convention 2012.
Nokia was ran by monkees who spoke Finish in the past but today its run by Monkees whom speak Microsoft. Which is worse?
"What does WinPho not do that Android, Blackberry or iOS does do? Fart apps?"
Even Nokia's "former" smartphone OS has these features!
1) FULL 2-way call recording
2) PROPER multitasking
3) FULL bluetooth transfer and syncing capabilities WITH e.g. included filemanager\
4) Take BETTER pictures (Nokia 808 Pureview) due to 41mpxls sensoer and REAL pureview-technoklogy (this is JUST a standard Sony BSI-senor with OIS)
5) timed profiles
6) independant volume for calls, mediaplayback and system
7) Local syncing (BT/USB)
8) better battery life
I can write a lot more ,but this is just for starters. AND this is just compared to Nokia's SYMBIAN.
As for Android.
1) full HD screen & media playback
2) multiple apps multiscreen (SGS3/4)
3) full USB/BT/WIFI sync with e.g. Outlook (e.g. through Phone Explorer)
4) full 2-way call recording (SGS3 when rooted and special apps like Total recall)
5) proper NFC through BT AND Wifi (wifi-direct)
WP8 as an OS just sucks! This model with Harmattan or Symbian would be better!
"ince no one seems to like Microsoft,"
Shouldn't THAT be an indication ENOUGH to mr. Stephen Elop to NOT go down that route?
"Nokia that is handicapped with an OS that i haven't used and am not really qualified to talk about.
There, fixed that for you."
Nokia who screwed me over with their crappy Compal made LUMIA 800!!!
There fixed that for you!
You mean "What does WinPho not do that SYMBIAN can do" You know Symbian that OTHER fully matured real time OS that Nokia wants everybody to forget!!!
1) FULL 2-way call recording especially over BT headsets/carkits
2) proper multitasking
3) TAKE BETTER PHOTOS thanks to it's REAL pureview technology and 41MPIXEL sensor!!!
4) longer battery life even with a less mA-battery!
5) has a file manager with FULL bluetooth transfer capabilities
6) timed profiles
7) independant volume for calls and media playback
8) fully themable UI with folders and SVG iconsets!
9) BOTH cloud and local (USB/BT) syncing
In fact is there ANY reason at all why I should buy a WP8-device? As even a mediocre Android phone like the Xperia Z can do MORE then EVERY WP-device on the market.
FU Nokia. Give us an update for that 808 Pureview and we'll sit up. We are NOT interested in WP-devices!
"Global smartphones sales set to outpace standard handsets in 2013"
Of course, because phone shops don't sell normal cellphones anymore. So everybody is pushed towards "smartphones" even the people whom don't want them. For instance when my mom's SE T715 featurephone broke down there was still an excellent SE Elm, Hazel (the direct replacement for her model) or Cedar featurephone model on SE-website but in stores it was all Samsung galaxy mini (and derivatives) or Xperia's. Which are useless for elderly people whom just want to call or get called.
This is the same situation as with computers a few years back. Government agencies, banks and companies pushing people to use a PC to do the work that these agencies are supposed to do for us (and sometimes even get paid for by us).
So the big question is not. Whether the sales of smartphones will overtake featurephones but will these smartphones actually be used as smartphones (and thus generate additional profit with sales of optional "apps" and data-plans which is in reality where this is all about) and are punters happy with this?
"Nokia used to be very strong in Asia and India with its feature phone models, but corporate shenanigans and the switch to Windows Phone have hurt it badly."
The latter has been countlessly mentioned to Nokia by ALL die-hard Nokians. They should have utilised Windows Phone devices as a complementary product to broaden their product portfolio. Instead of replacing a mature solid product and an almost finished future proof product with a crippled walled garden immature featureless block of tiles.
Nokia's leadership are just a bunch of incompetent fools.
There are other and better phones that make calls, do texts and run skype.
And YES, I have bought, used and burned a WP device. I had a horrible Lumia 800 which causes me so much grief that I started a boycot campaign against Nokia, the retailer and the repair-agent. I made a complete loss on it not to mention that the walled garden OS is so incompetent that even the most trivial things are a pain in the ass (just TRY adding a ringtone...AARRGGH)
So for me NO MORE Lumia's EVER AGAIN! Symbian is much better IMHO. And that too can make calls, do text and run skype.
Can it do full 2-way call recording?
I couldn't care less whther Nokia "is about to fail" or not. I need a phone with proper full 2 way call recording and the only devices that can accomplish this without hacking/cracking/jailbreaking/rooting/or any other way of tampering are Symbian phones.
In fact people should care less about whether company X does this or that! You have requirements, you buy a phone that fulfill these requirements. Period. You don't buy a company. You buy a bloody phone. It has 2 years consumer warranty and it'll probably keep working after that.
You still call and get called. You'll still send SMS- or get SMS-messages. These are the 2 main basic things that ALL phones do. No matter what "ecosystem" or company-health and I doubt that will change.
But I guess we all love fart-apps (and the various variants of the various fart-apps). Oh dear.
"and some OEMs will be adapting Android for desktop too"
Which is completely ridiculous!
There's a vast array of fantastic free REAL linux OS's around which are MUCH better suited to "the desktop".
The only reason why it may succeed is because o/t games. Android is getting its fair share of games. If these become available on desktop Android (preferably without any hassle) coupled with the fact that you can "sideload" a lot of stuff, then that will push Android forward.
Like it were the games that pushed the Amiga forward in the past, later on games pushed the desktop PC (anyone remember the voodoo rage...) and now these push both the iProducts and Android.
"Good to hear this now as I'd been thinking of getting one of their phones."
Unfortunately that 808 PV is their only real smartphone around. All that WP-stuff is more like a featurephone with more apps than the regular featurephones. A superfeaturephone like the iPhone. Way to restricted to be really usefull but great to show off for 5 minutes at a party.
Besides I need 2-way call recording. My 2005 SE K750i had it, my 2008 WM 6.1 Samsung Omnia had it and since then all my Symbian devices had it (improved with automatic call recording even). I can't go back to pre-2005 era crapphones. Especially since these days calling while driving is prohibited in most o/t western world not to mention that automatic call-recording saves me over 20000 UKP a year (for not hiring a secretary to handle my calls).
I was hoping that RIM's new offering might provide call-recording but I doubt it. Which means i have no choice. The only phone available to handle call-recording out of the box is a symbian device.
And NO I'm NOT interested in tampering/rooting/jailbreakin nor custom firmware etc.. That's way too much hassle for a device that should JUST WORK!
Ah, so putting someone in jail for a "over 30 years" for a minor misdemeanor (of which the "victim" already retrieved the goods and didn't commence further charges in the first place) is nowadays called "good intentions"?
Funny how everyone is full of "good intentions" these days, yet the world is in a horrible shape.
Swarts had good intentions to distribute the retrieved documents for free...
Ortiz had the good intentions to put him in jail "upto over 30 years"...
Think I'm gonna hang myself now...