1832 posts • joined Saturday 26th July 2008 17:37 GMT
I'll stop being annoyed with Google for self-serving crap like this when they and their fanpeople stop pretending they're champions of Open Source or more ethical than their rivals.
"Man, I bet you're a riot at parties."
Well, probably more fun than the person who keeps pulling out their phone and txting.
>>>"Consume at current (and even increasing) and destory the planet, or, limit our power consumption and your kids live a decent quality of life"
Or choose door number three - build nuclear power stations.
81 is obviously a symbolic figure (Windows 8.1) but if you have a family with more than five devices in it, you can use any of them under your account and have your purchased apps available. Families with more than five devices are a minority I would imagine, but I'm sure that there are plenty of them. Remember, we're talking phones, tablets, laptops and desktops here as MS are working on unification of the stores.
Re: Will no one think of the developers?
I rather think the chances of any given Apple user buying the same app 8.1 times is pretty low.
You do understand that Windows 8 / RT has actual user accounts, yes?
Re: Intermittency of Solar
"The thing is, we can always find uses for excess power (think desalination, aluminium smelting, research into synthetic hydrocarbons). It's a lot better to have too much power than too little. We can find ways to deal with too much."
Not sure you understood my point. Our best way of producing power is nuclear power. If you want more power, you build more nuclear capability. The issue is variance. We don't need the same amount consistently throughout the day. Nuclear power doesn't vary easily. It likes to sit at a steady output. Solar however rises naturally in the day which is when our own needs rise. So they go well together.
Yes, you can mitigate this by spreading out the energy needs - e.g. you run your aluminium plant at night. These things are already done. But it's more efficient, in theory, to actually be able to adjust your power output according to need rather than try to shuffle everything around (like running factories at night) to keep need fixed. Solar plus Nuclear achieves this quite well. Assuming you get the ratios right.
Re: Intermittency of Solar
"actually our peak electricity requirements are just after dark when solar power is zero, and everybody is home with the lights on."
I think you'll find that rather varies with this thing called latitude.
"I bet you used to tell everyone 'the wind is always blowing somewhere' as well"
Well no, actually. I've been campaigning against wind power for about as long as it's been pushed as an alternative power source.
But you clearly just want to argue against some image you have, don't you. "Oh, they're in favour of solar power, they must be in favour of wind power".
Re: "the Americans obsessive fear of communism"
Regardless of conditions over there, don't you think it was irrational of Americans to think that the USA was going to be overthrown by communists?
Re: Obligatory Dr Evil reference
Upvote for the use of 'circumfluous'. Will be using that.
Re: Research? Better get the launch costs down first...
>>there are now even commercial operators in this market; http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/
I might agree with your general point that research in orbit becomes more and more affordable every decade, but you undermine your own argument when you put forward Virgin's little trips. I mean they're impressive and they technically get to Space, but anyone who knows about this stuff knows it's not at all like docking with the ISS or a shuttle launch.
Re: Nice debuugger
"In my time, oh so many years ago, I used Softice, which undoubtedly some of you know."
Ahhhh, memories! :D
Intermittency of Solar
Whilst it is true that output of solar energy goes up and down (just like the sun appears to do, conincidentally), so do our energy requirements.
At night, we use much less electricity. In the day, that ramps up as we start turning on PCs, kettles, factories, etc.
Nuclear power is fantastic, but in common with some other sources, it doesn't ramp up and down easily according to demand. (Unless Thorium reactors are different). So what that means is if you put Solar and Nuclear together, you actually need far less capacity to store surplus energy than you might think. You're not having to capture the extra from solar in the day and eek it out through the night. You have Nuclear providing the powerful baseline (plus a bit extra) and during the day as our energy needs rise, so is the output of solar.
Okay, it's not a perfect match, what it is, is a mitigation of the issue of variability. But it's a really good and handy mitigation.
They want to keep their existing lot? Best thing they could have done would be to block ValueAct from getting a seat on the board. I wouldn't want to sit at the same table as them, either.
They're a disaster waiting to happen.
>>>>Animals do not pray, they are prey.
>>Conversely, priests do both.....
So do mantids.
What's this? Did I actually just read an unbiased review with fair discussion of the advantages and disadvantages, rather than flame-bait and misconceptions? Rarer than hens' teeth these days.
Oh wait, it's Orlowski. One day we'll get him, Dana Wollman from Engadget on the same site and it will be the least troll-ish review site on the Internet.
I need speed - any other options?
I'm moving house and one of the places on the potential list looks okay. Problem? It's currently ADSL and the online guesstimate tools say "You can get up to 6Mb/s" and the 'can I get fibre?' online tools all say: "not currently". That's not good enough for me. I need speed for both work and non-work.
The online rollout map for BT Infinity says: "Under Evaluation" for the local exchange.
Am I missing any options? Even expensive ones? Can you get dedicated lines laid? Are there more expensive business packages that will offer fibre-like speeds even if the local cabinet others are using wont offer it?
And what normally happens with "Under Evaluation". Do they eventually turn into "Coming Soon" or do they often become "No plans".
Is there ANY way around this, or do I have to cross the house from my list?
Re: I think Torvalds is losing it
"But that's their industry, they electrocute each other for fun..."
Which conversely a lot of office workers or programmers would try to do them for assault for. :D Different people have different ways of communicating. I kind of resent this insufferable choking culture of tissue paper softness that is being forced down from above. I'd far rather Linus's transparent position than a lot of the nicey-nicey double-dealing I've had to put up with from others.
Re: I think Torvalds is losing it
"Does Torvals actually speak to people like this face-to-face or is it only behind the safety of a keyboard"
I've seen him present (on GIT and the failings of the CVS / Subversion model). He began the presentation by saying "You can disagree with me if you want, but if you do then you're stupid and you're ugly". And you know what? It got a good laugh from the crowd. He's not only very smart, he's also quite funny. I think he may be wrong on this, but I have no problem with the way he communicates.
Re: Linus might be related to Eadon?
"The only thing Linus is good at is preaching to the choir"
Well that and being a Hell of an engineer and hard worker.
I used to argue with Eadon all the time - a complete PITA who did more damage to the image of Open Source than any detractor of Open Source usually managed. Linus? I have nothing but respect for. Don't confuse an opinionated bigot with a very talented person who has a sense of humour and speaks his mind.
"The RT version of Office is far from what I would consider a full version. Why even the most remotely complex macros aren't supported is beyond me"
It has the new Office Web Plugin system instead of VB macros. That's a good thing for security and impacts most users on their non-Work Provided machines not at all. That's the one difference in functionality with Office on RT. You can't believe that makes it "far from a full version".
"Elop killed any potential for long term independant growth. Completely gutted R&D"
Nokia had barely any money before the cash injection by MS. They had to sell of their own head quarters! And you think Elop is responsible for shutting down some thriving R&D division? Facts are against you.
And an Appeal to Authority argument has never been as flawed as just now, when you use opinions of posters on these forums as your authority! You may have noticed just the teensiest bit of bias around these parts.
Then again, you may not. ;)
"There's nothing left of Nokia after what they have bought however. Stripped assets, throw the remains on the tip. They've still got what they wanted."
Stop talking about what you know nothing about. Nokia has a market cap of 19bn and MS have just bought a division of Nokia for 5bn. Unless you think that MS some how pulled off the sale of the century or that the remaining 14bn in market value is just stupendously inflated stock (Nokia - inflated, yeah right!), then you're of necessity wrong. Nokia have telecoms networks, routing equipment, services, store chains (just not in the USA) and has a number of subsidiaries.
You do not know what you're talking about, so stop, read, instead of chasing recommends on websites.
Re: "and 32,0000 Nokia employees will become Redmondians."
"Money or not, in a take over you don't keep employees who are literally redundant just because you feel it's morally right to keep them employed twiddling their thumbs. I can't see those 32,000 being that important to operations. All that's left of Nokia now anyway is hardware manufacture and that can be outsourced to China."
Firstly, the 32,000 figure is made-up. It's just what someone reeled off to make their point. Secondly, I don't think you know at all how this has broken down. "All that is left is the hardware manufacture"? That's a big part of what MS have bought - their smartphones division. The software was already written by MS with a small number of very busy people doing some low-level firmware and another bunch writing apps. Neither are being made redundant or should be.
Now if Nokia's division was purchased by Google, they'd have a problem because Google is actually a competitor in the fields Nokia operates in. But MS are not. You're confusing things with takeovers where a company buys out a competitor or a corporate raider who wants to break a company up to sell off the valuable bits. MS are buying the smartphone division because they don't have their own and they want one. Very different.
Re: HERE maps.
"Does that mean we'll get HERE maps and associated services on non-Windows Phone platforms?"
Potentially. But keep in mind that Google compete with that with their own maps so they'll do everything they can to keep it off Android. And as we've seen, they can play quite dirty when they want.
Still, it's quite possible that Nokia will release a HERE maps app for Android. If only for the lulz in seeing Google contorting to stop them. ;)
Apple have invested quite a bit in their own mapping system, but there's no reason they can't licence some of the HERE data / technology. It's clearly better than their own and one of their main motivations was not to be dependent on their chief competitor (Google) for a vital service. Nokia will no longer be a competitor (or far, far, far less so), so I could see that happening. Not saying it would, saying it could.
And then there's Tizen. I see Samsung making a big push with Tizen in the next few years. It would make excellent sense for them to licence HERE maps.
So in summary: we don't know, but there are reasons why we might see Nokia HERE services on other phones. It's certainly in Nokia's interest, has little downside and MS don't really care that much and can't stop them if they did.
A bit hard.
Is it me or is this a bit harsh for them trying to have a quick shag in a display shed? Police involvement and their identities splashed around the world. Basically, any time someone (employer, prospective partner, whoever), types their name in, this is going to be the first result. Not to mention that in the USA, you get put on the sex offenders register for things like this!
Why couldn't a member of staff just knock on the door and say: "oi! knock it off!" and give them a telling off. Make them wipe the place down as well if it needs it. The rest is a bit excessive.
"So, how much would this have cost M$ before Elop ran them into the ground?"
Nokia were in dire straits before their initial partnership with MS. You think they just accepted MS's massive cash injection and conditions for the lulz? Nokia have actually recovered somewhat under Elop with growing phone sales. Your timelines are all out of whack.
Re: Commitment. NOT.
"There, fixed it for you. They're just waiting for the price to come down a bit more"
Stupid comment and an attempt to shift ground. MS haven't bought the patents - a very important difference that you cannot recover from by attempting to convince that they're just waiting for the price to come down. Why would Nokia sell them for less or only to MS. If you think MS are holding out for a reduced price then they've a funny way of doing that by giving Nokia a billion or so for use of them right now and several billion overall.
Here's a car analogy - you have a car that I want. I'd like to induce you to sell it. I attempt to convince you to offload it by (a) giving you lots of money so you have less need to sell it and (b) paying you lots and lots of money to be allowed to use it even though you still own it.
Stupid argument made because the initial post was an error and you're trying to disguise that.
I kind of liked that.
I've never seen a Uwe Boll movie and don't really know who he is, but that trailer looked pretty funny.
Re: Give Nokia WP
You're suggesting taking a VERY large and established project (the WP OS) away from ten teams that have created it and still manage it and giving it to an entirely different company. On what planet does that make financial, technical or managerial sense? You're insane.
Re: RIP Nokia
"Obviously the patents Microsoft gets makes them dangerous now. They'll be knocking on a few doors soon with a baseball bat."
The Army of the Will Not Read are out in force today. MS have not bought the patents. They have licenced them for ten years with an option to renew. Nokia are still the patent owners. MS have simply paid for use of those patents and offered some if their own under the same deal.
Re: RIP Nokia
"they can lay off all those pesky Finns now they have what they really wanted all along,"
Microsoft have money. Nokia do not. Nokia has just made multiple billions. Nokia employees now have a better chance of not being laid off than they did before.
You seem to be confusing this deal with situations where a company takes over a competitor which is nit the case here. You're just making things up that sound bad on MS's part.
"Did anyone really think that anonymity Tor could be guaranteed?"
I think one of the main things it does is that even if it can ultimately be compromised, it shifts the scenario from a few quick commands on a keyboard to considerable effort and resource. The more people who use TOR or GPG, etc., the less that casual and speculative searching can take place.
It changes the scenario from 'scan all the people who visited X' or 'search all emails for references to Y', to 'we suspect this specific person - start the machinery up and get back to me'.
That's a big win for privacy.
My own view of TOR, though, is that however much I approve of securing privacy and building measure to resist abuse of power by the state, the moment I contribute by setting up a TOR node, I've no idea whether what I'm actually helping is the distribution of child porn and people pirating movies. So I don't.
Re: "and 32,0000 Nokia employees will become Redmondians."
Why? MS has money and Nokia doesn't. Nokia have just received a boost of several billions. Nokia already weren't making the OS themselves so they're not being replaced by MS employees. This ought to be a good thing for Nokia employee prospects.
You're just mindlessly associating this with corporate take-overs by companies that either want to sell off constituent parts or compete in the same space as the purchased company. Neither of those are MS's motivation here.
Been a bad week for end users of MS products, imo. Firstly we lose Ballmer (everything from XP onwards came out under his tenure), secondly he's replaced by a Value Act representative (and it's probably the reason he left) who will be continuously pushing MS toward immediate returns over good long-term strategy. And now we find that WP will be tied to a single hardware provider. Well it isn't, but with MS having their own line its a strong disincentive to other OEMs to compete using WP. They'll just stick with Android (or Tizen).
I was enjoying liking MS for the first time in years. Now it looks like I'm being forcibly returned to the old days.
I have no affiliation with these people, but I really like https://sgrouples.com/
This is kind of like Facebook but instead of feeling like a big leaky bucket I'm forever trying to plug all the holes in, it starts with me at the middle and lets me add and manage groups outwards.
Very easy to separate work and social life on it and I don't feel I'm permanently at war with the site just for wanting to keep a few things private.
Re: Firefox 32.0?
"Ah - I get it. The old Firefox versioning joke. That used to be funny - never."
I thought it was funny when I first heard it, around the time of version 12 or 13.
But that was months ago.
...that threw a bucket of Windows phones over them and he melted.
Eadon was particularly unwholesome. He (or she, but male seems to be the consensus), sometimes caused me to wonder if he was actually an MS-fan trying to discredit Linux and Open Source users. He was that bad. There were some days that I could almost feel the hatred fizzing out of my monitor at me when he and I discussed things. I think I was particularly bad because I *am* a UNIX programmer (or was for many years) and I'd lay fairly good odds that I actually know a considerable amount more about GNU/Linux than he does. (I still remember snobbishly looking down on Ubuntu when it appeared for being pre-compiled :D )And yet since some time after Windows 7, I've been increasingly impressed by MS's products and direction. And so day after day, Eadon would hiss and spit at me about the virtues of Linux and call me a shill and every other name, and I'd vainly try to explain that both were good. I've no doubt got a bit of a reputation here and elsewhere as a Microsoft fanperson, but the weird thing is that it is Eadon and a few like him, that have pushed me in that direction.
But Eadon could also very easily be tied up in knots. Conditioned hatred leads to that. I once got him to out and out state that bias and distortion of the truth was the morally right thing if it made Microsoft look bad.
I would almost feel sorry for him, if he weren't such a destructive thing to the image of Open Source. We're all better off without him.
Re: Articles with no comments
Agreed. This is annoying. How am I supposed to find the thread for the Trident article for example. There seems no obvious category and no way of knowing what thread people are discussing it in. Give us proper comments. I like to read what people have written without following a series of clues. And sometimes I like people to read what I have written without having to do the same.
Re: DNT is a mirage
"i.e. the Reg have one for containing our forum accounts. While this may not be the best example, the Reg aren't completely evil in spite of what maybe written in the comments sections responding to articles written by Andrew and Lewis..."
You're confused about what tracking is. It's not when you sign into an account on El Reg. It's when you sign into El Reg. and read an article on 3D televisions and then you go to Facebook and the two sites share information (probably by a Third Party) and Facebook says 'I hear you like televisions, wouldn't you like to see some ads from Panasonic, now?).
It's not about signing into a site, it's about tracking between them.
Re: I love W3C
"The ad men responded with; "We'll ignore DNT information from IE10.".
Actually the person who said that was a lean engineer at the Apache Foundation who unilaterally put in an unapproved patch to do that right before a major release and was roundly slapped by his fellow team members. IIRC, the revert comment said something like 'don't stick your politics into the code'. The commit actually worked below the web application level interfering with the actual HTTP header information.
The ad agencies actually were fine with having it buried in the browser settings. They know there's a coming storm with privacy and the original DNT would have let them say that people were voluntarily accepting the tracking whilst knowing that hardly anyone would trek through three layers of menus to turn it off. When MS were going to enable it by default, they actually changed the spec to disallow it, but MS found a way around that by including it in the default choices on browser setup.
So I see why it seems odd that MS are on this panel. But we really don't know what their position was in the meetings. Maybe they just feel they can have more influence from inside than from out.
Re: Microsoft: "We're always listening to our customers"
"£40-50 is a lot compared to other media types and while a music album can last your lifetime in terms of enjoyment a game gets boring"
I get bored of music too. Let's compare it to films. A film might last around two hours. A Blu-ray of it will cost, let's say £15 (we are comparing new and big name films if you're pitching £40-50 for games). So a film is £7.50 per hour. Do these £40-50 games come in under seven hours of total play? Because if not, they are a good buy compared to film media. Note that I was especially generous in comparing them to purchased discs which multiple people can watch (just like multiple people can play a game) rather than to cinema tickets which are per person (rather than per household like the Xbox games) and which would *really* make games look cheap.
Some here are ignoring the flip side of the criticism that if games companies are against trade-in because it hits how much revenue they get from games, then limiting trade-in should result in cheaper games, unless there is price-fixing going on in which case you have a different problem.
Also, has anyone compared the financial impact of trade-in games with the impact of piracy? It seems to me that the latter is quite probably a far greater cause of this DRM than trade-in.
Re: @JDX - StartIsBack
"Too bad the rest of the planet is not as smart as you are! You must feel so lonely up there!"
Actually, I'm up there with the super-geniuses too, apparently. And so is my mother who similarly managed to use Windows 8 fine.
Seriously, children are able to learn the Windows 8 interface easily in no time. You really want to argue that you're less intelligent and IT capable than them?
Thats it Luke, let the hatred flow through you...
MS reveal a list of upcoming features, many of which will be very useful to the Enterprise. And every comment is seething contempt. The unreasoning hatred and bias in this place is absurd.
Re: Shouldn't that be...
Well the point is, no matter what you do regarding DRM and watermarking. It will _always_ affect the legitimate user and never affect the pirate
An invisible watermark does not affect me as a legitimate user. If a whole bunch of material I have purchased shows up pirated and they can identify the source as me, then that can well affect me as a pirate. The files are distinguishable. As well as knowing that they were originally sold to me, they can theoretically find the first time that file was uploaded and from where.
Conceptually it is a security nightmare. That was always the given reason by Microsoft for not implementing it.
Re: Never mind the quality - feel the width !
"Hmm, it wasn't really the image I wanted to accompany my morning coffee, though."
Think yourself lucky. I was eating raspberry yoghurt when I read that line. (I actually was).
Re: Films and Novels require the suspension of disbelief
Swordfish with Hugh Jackman hacking with multiple consoles deserves a special mention for grating stupidity.
I use multiple consoles all the time. ;) Try multiple people
Hollywood doesn't get more accurate than that! ;)
Re: Mostly Boredom
"I love the way James Bond breaks into the villain's office at night and the first thing he pulls out of the filing cabinet is the Master Plan. Dgeez, it takes me half an hour to find anything in my *own* filing cabinet."
I agree with your post overall, but I can't help thinking that any evil genius would probably be a lot more organized than us.
I mean, if you walked into an office, what would scream "Evil" at you more than a tidy desk? It's just wrong.
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