1680 posts • joined 19 Apr 2007
@AC 15/10/13 20:55
"In the US, iPhones are effectively almost free because phone prices are obscured by the carriers. It's only in the rest of the world that iPhones could be considered expensive status symbols."
Nope:- Here in the UK, phone prices are (and have always been) very obscured by the carriers - I got an iPhone 5 64GB from my carrier with unlimited calls (landlines & mobiles, any network), unlimited texts, and a 2GB monthly data limit for £40/mo on a 2year contract.
How much did I pay upfront for my £700 phone? Nothing, Nichts, Zilch, Nada, Rien.
I use calls & texts heavily - data at 2GB seems so far more than adequate.
Over 2 years, I'll pay £960, so over and above the £700 cost of the phone, for £130/year - £2.50 per week, I get the aforementioned usage and effectively an interest-free loan to buy a phone which, at the end of my contract, will fetch a very good price if I sell it on & upgrade.
I don't think the deal's a bad one - but I'm sure there will be hordes of kiddies who will down vote me on the grounds they've a better seat for 4p/annum, and because I've had the temerity to be happy with my second iPhone. My 2yr old iPhone 4 (immaculate and perfect functionality) sold for £250 at the end of its contract...
@Eradicate all BB entrants 15/10/13-15:16
Shame I can't up vote more than once - but I can state here that I wholeheartedly agree with every word.
Unfortunately personal responsibility is one characteristic which too many of our soi-disant élite seem determined to nanny out of the populace:-
Surely it couldn't be that unthinking sheep are easier to control & use, could it?
'...Although, on the BBC they say "an historic"...'
On the Beeb, they often (and repeatedly) say a lot of things which are complete cobblers - or are the latest fad amongst the oh-so-precious chatterati
Re: The stock market
But who would employ them? What would they do?
Surely they can't all be recycled as pet food...
"...They are universally the worst possible people for the job..."
I wholeheartedly concur:- in fact I firmly believe that a strong desire to stand for election should be grounds for being barred from so doing.
Re: Very few
Not so:- nearly all countries (even Zimbabwe) claim to have honest elections: it's those who actually do have honest elections who are very few in number.
@ The Don (5/10/13 16:36 GMT)
"...They are there to enforce justice..."
Sorry, for once I can't agree with you: They are there to enforce The Law.
Which frequently has very little to do with justice...
Re: It doesn't matter if it's any good
"...well known economic fact..."
The epithet "well known" is so often applied to something which has just been coined, in order to endow it with validity, gravitas and credibility.
".. 'snob goods' -- goods that costs much more than their worth..."
Assigning that category or description to any product is totally subjective, and not in the least objective.
Your criteria for assessing the inherent value of something might well differ from my criteria, and Joe Bloggs' criteria might well differ from both.
Re: It doesn't matter if it's any good
"There is no correlation between quality and success any more."
Are you claiming that despite the success of Android products, they're not necessarily quality products?
Yes I did miss them out. I presumed that the average Reg reader/commenter was smart enough to recognise & appreciate irony (or sarcasm) when they encountered it.
1) Don't you recognise irony - or even sarcasm?
2) I'm English - which as far as I'm concerned is part of the rest of the world
3) Now please go back & read my comment again.
Can't see anything wrong with the idea;- except I can't see the NSA/CIA types relinquishing any control which they consider is their God-given right.
After all, it's all in the interests of preserving our freedom, and if we have to be regulated, ordered, confined, monitored and become subject to constant & continuous surveillance, then Hell! That's a small price to pay to continue to be free...
Re: How very ironic of him.
Hell! I'd write a cheque for 30 Million to NOT have to live next door to Mr Z.
Re: If the figures regarding Mac sales are correct...
Well one of the reasons for declining Windows PC sales is not specifically Windows 8 - or even Windows 7 or even Vista. I am aware of many corporate entities who won't upgrade their H/W because it's still happily running XP - and at least half a dozen techiesI've spoken to in the last few months are unconcerned at the demise - as far as Redmond is concerned - of XP. I have heard comments like "We'll buy in support" and "Our firewall handles all our security".
Are they right?
Only time will tell - but when you're not running extremely testing software such as graphics packages, there simply isn't the pressure to upgrade.
As a previous commenter wrote, only graphics types, video types & gamers really need to chase the newest developments. Office 2007 running under XP continues to run as it always did - and that is sufficient for huge numbers of corporate users.
Re: AC - Friday 11th October 2013 12:37 GMT
A breath of fresh air:- a sensible, non-personal and non-partisan rational comment. I wish I could up vote you more than once.
@ MyBackdoor:- You might not like it, but...
...the arrival of Mavericks appears to be, on the whole, rather more eagerly awaited than an update to a new O/S which has been so widely panned by so many.
Re: Ted Treen
Not at all:- my (many) recent posts express approval of Surface/Windows/Android users who state that what they've opted for suits them. It's the third-form standard of poorly expressed tribal comments such as yours which I find irritating.
At one time, El Reg used to be full of detailed factual reporting, with considered rational analysis where appropriate but nowadays one feels that it's akin to buying the Daily Telegraph and finding it to be produced by the same folks who produce Viz.
Don't get me wrong - Viz can be quite entertaining, but not if it's masquerading as a serious publication.
I certainly expect something more from correspondents/journalists than juvenile playing to the gallery and sophistry.
Your whole comment - if you think about it - shows you to be steeped in that which you erroneously & unthinkingly accuse me of. I could finish, like you do, with some childish comment regarding you and your character - but I prefer not to sink to such levels.
Biblical comments concerning planks and eyes come to mind.
All this whilst people are awaiting new machines. Also, the anticipated release of OSX Mavericks is hardly something which can compare to the release of Windows 8.1
As El Reg's scribbler knows only too well.
Still, reality has never got in the way of a Myslewski-inspired trollfest, has it?
Clearly, Mr M is a Trollmeister among Trollmeisters.
Re: Be nice
If you add the word "allegedly" it's usually sufficient (so far) to squash any attempted legals, and many streetwise readers will recognise the heavy irony in the use of the word...
Re: "loss-making postal service"?
Whatever:- It's still being sold only because of an EU diktat that demands so.
@AC 11_10_13 10:23
"...If only it was their own money..."
They think it is.
Our only role is to do the work to earn it, and happily let them rifle through our wallets at will.
Nice one:- reminding Mr Plod of the law.
No, the other law:- "The Law of Unintended Consequences"..
Good for EasyDNS
I am a believer in law & order - who in their right mind wouldn't be?
However, I applaud the stand taken by EasyDNS in that when told by Mr Plod to bend over, their response is to remind the authorities that if the police wish to enforce the law, the police must abide by the law, and a company is only obliged to comply with a police request when that request is lawful, backed by the legal system and not because it is the whim or fancy - no matter how justifiable - of an individual officer or group.
Justice must itself be above suspicion, open and transparent - although I would concur with those who might say we're not quite there yet.
"...the inevitable round of bugs and subsequent fixes that will accompany the release of OX 10.9..."
or, more correctly:-
"...the inevitable round of bugs and subsequent fixes that will accompany the release of insert s/w name..."
Modern software is so complex compared with the COBOL & RPGII stuff I used to write nearly forty years ago, that it is impossible to pre-test against every set of and combination of circumstances during its beta phase.
If it were attempted, we'd have gestation periods of many years, and even decades between new releases.
She has had an effect on you, hasn't she?
I trust your reference "...the EU concepts of "human rights"..." was made with at least a little irony.
Also, one has to remember that although Turkey claims to have a secular government, Erdogan himself is a closet Islamist, just not with the robes, headgear & AK to which we are more accustomed. Should Turkey gain membership of the EU, I believe - YMMV - that that would be yet another urgent justification for Britain's withdrawal from said organisation.
We are already - thanks to that nice Mr Blair & that nice Mr Brown - nourishing rather too many vipers in our bosom.
Re: This also highlights the only advantage iPhone users have
There's always one, isn't there?
Re: The Jobs word was just another piece of marketing
You can take almost any product or service and say individual components or aspects are meaningless when isolated:- it's when the total is greater than the sum of the components that you have a great product or service.
Still, you're putting your Masters in Sophistry to good use...
UK banks failed because they had no cash, rather than because they were sitting on a cash mountain.
They had lent money to sub-primes, collateralised those debts, and sold them to other greedy banks, and bought similar from the other greedy banks, paid themselves huge bonuses counting as assets complex collateralisations which were in fact liabilities as they hadn't got a snowball's chance in hell of ever being repaid.
It wouldn't be El Reg if the Obertrollbahnführer didn't scour the media for an anti-Apple story that could be presented as a trollfest...
@getHandle 05/10 18:36
"You can buy a Nexus 4 for half the price of a iPhone 4"
You can also buy a Jaguar XK for less than half the price of an Aston Martin.
Which proves what, precisely?
Re: Surface RT - I have one
Why in God's name have you collected so many downvotes? You say you've got a Surface RT, and it does what you bought it for, and you're happy with it.
So why so many downvotes? Are there so many who think you should only be happy with what they approve of, and that you shouldn't make decisions of your own?
I couldn't care less what your criteria are - that's your business. If you're happy with your choice, then good for you!
I have a MacPro, an iPhone5 and an iPad mini - and I'm very happy with all of them. No doubt I'll get hordes of downvotes from those who think I should be burned at the stake for daring to not follow the mob...
Re: I would never have guessed
Jasper's just following a long tradition of El Reg sponsored anti-Apple trollery masquerading as journalism.
Awaits deluge of down votes from pubescent slaverers , or deletion by outraged El Reg Obertrollführer...
"...totally pointless report, hideously skewed by not comparing like for like..."
That's journalism:- pure sophistry to preach to the converted - or, more honestly put - to reinforce the prejudices of your target audience/consumer by pandering to their misassumptions...
Re: What am I missing?
They do (and always did) but it's just pretend, made-up, la-la land currency.
It will continue, as long as everyone keeps pretending.
Re: Is it just me ...
The governments print money at will so they can inflate their debts away, the banks lend what they don't have, collateralize it and pretend it's something else, then sell the collateralised 'asset' to some other greedy sod who pays for it with money which they don't have either, then when it all goes tits up, the gov't takes what little the ordinary person has and gives it to the banks so they don't have to fail and their ruling bodies can enjoy massive salaries, bonuses and pensions, all carefully contrived so that they don't pay hardly any tax on it.
It will all end in tears - but unfortunately it will be our tears first...
Re: Computer games & drugs? Seriously?
and some of us (like this 63yr old) have always believed in the following:-
Growing old is mandatory
Growing up is optional
Several decades ago, I opted not to.
Re: Standardised connector: SCART
"...do try to be a little less xenophobic...."
Comme les grenouilles?
"...the people who actually seem to think highly of him...."
The people who have to appear to think highly of him, if they want to stay employed.
A bit like a Kim Jong Un rally, except the consequences for non-compliance aren't quite so severe.
Re: Regardless of the merits of the Apple patent
Frankee old lad
You're making the elementary error of expecting logic and common sense from:-
a) The Patent system
b) The Judiciary.
Expect neither from either!
...the author was asked to "give it his best shot".
This is only one vowel away from "give it his best sh..."
Re: Baldrick inspired
I'd sell you two for that price...
I don't know...
But first I'd have it changed into £1 coins, delivered, and I'd run barefoot through it, romp naked in it, and then decide;- having engaged the sleaziest of beancounters (who else) to enable me to keep as much of it as I could away from the larcenous sticky-fingered bar stewards at HMRC...
Beer? - well it wouldn't be in short supply any more...
Re: I think you'll find...
"...In plain English that means it loses us money..."
That could also be a description of this government - or indeed ANY government. I've come to the conclusion they're a luxury(?) we can ill afford.
Is "Rik Myslewski" a nom de plume for one Steven Ballmer - getting himself a new career...
@Yet Another Anonymous coward - 25/09/2013
"...If I buy a big screen TV and my wife says no..."
To effect such a transaction without SWMBO's approval, you'd have to be either a newly wed or suicidal...
Don't you believe it:- you ain't seen nuthin' yet...
Re: The perks couldn't have been scrapped much earlier.
"...who was going to face down the militant unions during the years money was being frittered away left, right and into politician's pockets? It has taken this crisis to enable these measures to be taken as the civil servant union protests will get very little sympathy from the private sector workers struggling to feed a family or the even less fortunate multitude seeking employment..."
Now could several thousand of us email the above extract to McCluskey & Le Marinel
Re: if there were ever a cabling construct that was the work of the Evil One, it was SCSI.
"to sacrifice a young goat"
(Gasp!) Surely you can't mean one of the kids..?
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