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Clarification, at last.
So the ACC AND a Chief Super both come out with the line "Don't ask us to understand our powers, chummy:- we make 'em up as we feel we need to. Now get in our van and get yer strides off, you're nicked".
I can sleep soundly & safely in my bed knowing that although my car's being vandalised and my house is being burgled, no 12stone 5'11" man-mountain can photograph my local shopping centre with impunity.
Makes me proud to be English...
Sadly, Mr Ash (or might I call you "Original"?),
Your joke icon is somewhat misplaced, since your point is astute and apposite.
"Police Intelligence" has unfortunately over the last decade or so, become an oxymoron.
Wasn't it usual in the old Soviet Union (and Eastern Bloc) to "deal with" individuals by incarcerating them in mental hospitals?
Or has the term "Terrorist" now been defined by ACPO as "Anyone who doesn't immediately do what we tell 'em to"?
Just a thought...
ACPO is a private limited company who appear to have granted themselves quasi-governmental powers.
By what right do they do this?
The facts are that virtually all Chief Police Officers are fast-tracked social engineers in thrall to NuLab, and they are far more interested in political posturing and positioning than running an effective police service.
Methinks cleaning out the Augean Stables should be highly prioritised by an incoming non-Lab government.
Since they're ALL professional establishment politicos, I won't hold my breath...
So we're safe, then.
"Officials said they believed it is unlikely the powers will be used, "
Would that be like the assurance that your friendly neighbourhood council wouldn't dream of using it's newly-acquired investigatory powers over comparitively trivial matters?
Hopefully this will all end in tears.
@Ex-IT inter alia
Spot on, old Son.
Exactly why we have out-of-control feral brats here
Your comment is also exactly why we have out-of-control feral brats here.
Yes, I do have a son who became a proper little Kevin at twelve. I was on it like a ton of bricks - harsh, even - and it only lasted a month or two. Now I have a 24yr old son who I can genuinely say is one of my best buddies, as well as my offspring.
Since we 'develeoped' professional politicos who've rarely had a proper job and usually have no real experience in the real world, we have had a succession of useless, otherwise-unemployable nonentities standing for public office.
Joe public sees this, becomes disillusioned with politics, doesn't think it's worth voting, so candidates for office become more & more useless and gain office with the support of a coterie of activists.
Joe public becomes even more disillusioned, and we have the downward spiral which leads to NuLab & their ilk...
No room to keep records...
All available record space is tied up with DNA, emails sent, phone calls made and other personal data...
As an Apple user..
I pass on my sincere best wishes to PA in this; never forget the power of positive attitude.
Some call it faith, others call it character or willpower. Whatever the name, it helps, and I hope for the best.
@AC 14/11 00:44 GMT
.."Still, the world would be a better place without Apple."
Not quite correct old chap.
the world would be a better place without A. C. who posted Saturday 14th November 2009 00:44 GMT
Don't count on it changing anything to do with banking - unless they can cut costs, charge you huge sums or otherwise fleece you to fund huge bonuses. Trebles all round!
Beer? - well I suppose I'm basically one of the lumpen proletariat at heart.
But it would be nice to be one of the lumpen proletariat with an automatic weapon, a couple of million followers and the support of the armed forces.
We WOULD see a few changes then....
...on Page 69?
Mine's the one with a copy of Private Eye in the pocket...
But if a zombie paedo restricts himself/herself/itself to zombie kiddies, then:-
a) is a crime committed?
b) is that alright then?
But anyway, zombie paedos should be taken out & hung by the neck until alive (or whatever).
Not really disgusted - just think the gravestone's apposite!
Watch this space.....
Just imagine - 6 months on, all the locals say "Stuff the council", and the council then claim the "site is under-utilised" and flog it off to Tesco, NCP or a housebuilder.
All of this overseen by "Consultants" with whom councillors have links, and/or the site is sold to a developer with whom councillors have links.
Seen it all before.
Look for T Dan Smith, inter alia, or consult a multitude of back issues of Private Eye.
With the greatest respect, old lad - utter bollocks.
"Serious" businesses usually run a hodge-podge of entry level Dell/HP tiny boxes, often still running Windows2000 with a few "advanced" users on XP.
It's more a case of few IT departments recommend Macs because they need so much less support, so the IT Head's little empire will shrink.
Turkeys don't vote for Christmas - but it appears they spew anti-Apple invective...
Frankly, my dear....
I'd be far more worried if I were to see influential/intelligent*/authority figures appearing in a membership list of The Labour Party.
*actually, that would totally prove a lack of intelligence, so scrub that description.
The Nuremburg Defence; "I was only obeying orders."
Didn't hold water then, and doesn't hold water now.
Make it awkward for the populace, tell 'em how vigilant you're being to protect them from the nasty terrorists and unfortunately a surprisingly high number fall for this crap, so your privileged elite position is perpetuated.
David Icke was partially correct - they're all lizards.
"The more we find out about my arrest the more disgraceful it looks." Damien Green
A combined op between NuLab & their tame plod enforcers? - aimed at silencing embarrassing (but not officially secret) opposition dissent.
How can it be anything but disgraceful?
Is it just me, or does anyone else feel common-sence & rationality go out of the window once m'learned friends & Your Honour get involved?
Mine's the one with the summons for contempt of court in the pocket
"What the fuck has happened to this country?"
Sufficient numbers of total morons (around 26%) voting in a heavily gerrymandered election (THREE TIMES ON THE TROT!) for Smiling Tony & Grouchy Gordon, that's what.
@ loads of you
Yup, I'm a Mac user. Yup, I know I ain't gonna get owned. -
Why? 'Cos I don't use Warez, or install dubious codecs etc. - in fact, I don't install ANYTHING unless the source is 100% tried, tested & trusted etc.
I do run the excellent donationware ClamXav, which is solely to catch nasties like Office Macroviruses etc., which I could inadvertently forward to a Windows-using friend.
Yes, I thinks Macs are inherently more secure than Windows PCs but I am also aware that the move within the evil-doing community is regardless of platform, to exploit the weakest link. The user.
More & more nasties are now socially engineered rather than invisibly installing, so they are exploiting people primarily, rather than just a particular perceived system weakness.
So, enough with the half-witted stereotype comments; it's bollocks and I suspect most of you know it.
Plus ça change...
"Our investigation found that North Wales Police procedures for dealing with counter-allegations of criminal behaviour were very poor" Tom Davies, IPCC
From the above report -
"Following the North Wales Police criminal investigation the complainant was charged with affray and possession of an offensive weapon. But the charges were dropped when they came to trial at Mold Crown Court in July 2006."
There's a surprise. The spirit of Brunstrom is alive & well.
@lots of you
Many of you complaining about anti-UK or anti-RAF bias are overlooking the salient point in this:-
Almost ANY decision made by MOD procurement in the last God-knows-how-many-years has resulted in military hardware which is always years overdue, invariably four or five times original cost estimates, and generally ineffective at doing the job for which it's intended.
No-one is anti-UK or anti-RAF or anti-any other branch of the services, BUT.....
Should one ot two MOD procurement retards be charged with sabotage, taken out & shot (but not with guns or ammo they had procured). pour encourager les autres, then maybe our Armed Forces might suddenly begin to receive effective equipment in a timely manner and at fair cost. - Oh, and whilst you're at it, include a charge of treason against a certain sanctimonious, parsimonious, one-eyed mental patient who has aways shown contempt for the military, unless he can bask in their reflected glory. He ain't worth a used latrine...
No doubt his Chekists will arrive soon...
"...the english army police and secret police work together to collude with loyalist murderers and facilitate their racist criminal activities..."
My word Sir; you do talk the most amazing load of bollocks.
However, I would always defend your right so to do.
Little Hitler is alive & well...
"...This investigation will look at whether the use of these powers in this case was lawful, reasonable and correctly carried out."
Lawful? - possibly so, under NuLab's plethora of ill-thought out oppressive anti-personal freedom laws, although their precious Human Rights Act might be used to oppose this.
Reasonable? - never in a million years. This would only seem reasonable to a totally paranoid, power-crazed "official" - almost certainly as compensation for being under-endowed in the "appendage" department.
Correctly carried out? - something unreasonable cannot be correctly carried out since being unreasonable SHOULD preclude it from occurring.
How the hell did my country ever get into such a state?
Along similar lines, Johnson states that the recent pop-bottle bomber convictions "..prove that our presence in Afghanistan is necessary..."
Run that past me again - a plot carried out by people from East London (& probably Bradford), said plot being hatched/masterminded in Pakistan, said perpetrators being trained/briefed in Pakistan. So to prevent this, our troops are being killed in Afghanistan.
Either NuLab are lousy at geography, can't read maps, or are totally useless at everything. Even their sophistry is singularly unconvincing. A plague on their houses!
@AC 10:24 8 Sept
De Nada... Es ist nichts.... C'est rien.... You're welcome...
However, being well aware of M'Learned friends and their predilections, I hasten to add that the suggestion of the image apparently conjured up by you was not of my intention - either explicit or implicit, and I accept no responsibility for any injuries suffered - howsoever caused - during the visualisation of such image.
Furthermore, I wish to indicate that any references to Broon 'n' Bliar do not represent any specific person, living, dead or ensconced in Westminster.
Visualise at your own risk.
One can only speak...
as one finds.
I (& SWMBO) have been with Orange for ten years, and there have been one or two problems occur - nothing life-threatening, though.
I can only say I've found Orange CustServices AND staff in the Orange Shops to be helpful, courteous, efficient & effective.
No, I don't work for Orange, nor am I associated with them in any way. I can omly report my experience, & I wouldn't think of leaving Orange as they've given me no reason to go, and several reasons to stay.
Par for the course...
The whole NuLab concept has been based on smearing any opposition - hell, Broon & Bliar were actively smearing & counter-smearing each other for years.
It is, and always has been, an inherently sick & twisted political philosophy & practice.
Hope they pay squillions - couldn't happen to more deserving people - except for the rest of the bastards at Transport House or wherever they've decamped to these days.
Grenade? I'm beginning to think we need a revolution far more than an election...
Yet again, unelected & unaccountable EU busybodies are sticking their little poky bits into matters which they don't understand and are probably inherently incapable of understanding.
WTF is it to do with some jumped-up self-important little Gauleiter if US company A wishes to join with US company B?
Suppose when Cyclops was pushing Lloyds into taking over HBOS, the whole thing was forbidden by Vanuatu or Tonga?
I'm STILL stunned by the monstrous arrogance of these apparatchiks.
Sod an election - we NEED a revolution.
@Lots of you
I don't really care about the difficulty/cost/likelihood of doing this; what I DO care about is that it CAN be done, and it is within the capacity of the state to do it.
Or does anyone STILL think our current rulers are wise, honest & benevolent?
If you do, or you still believe "I'm a straight kinda guy" then you deserve all you get.
'Steele earlier this week pleaded not guilty in San Mateo County Superior Court to charges "that he rang doorbells while naked"'...
What kind of legislative weirdo would actually make it an offense "to ring doorbells while naked"?
I'd like to think it was just Merkins, but then I look at our own collection of Millibands, Balls, Harridan Harperson, the Prince of Darkness, etc., and I'm now wondering if there IS a legislator (anywhere) who isn't a 28 carat, one hundred percent weirdo..
@AC 14th August 2009 09:04
"I don't see the problem with giving the police your name though, if they ask then tell them." - AC 14th August 2009 09:04.
The problem is, it's a slow but inexorable erosion of our liberties, and a slow, equally inexorable extension to the powers of Plod - granted to themselves by themselves, without the authority of the legislature.
Theoretically at least, Plod polices us WITH OUR CONSENT, and has power(s) granted by the Legislature i.e. our elected representatives TO WHOM PLOD IS (or should be) ACCOUNTABLE.
Setting themselves above this is the ideal blueprint towards a totalitarian police state - and although the point in question may initially seem intrinsically innocuous, remember the old Chinese saw "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." - Lao-tzu, Chinese philosopher (604 BC - 531 BC)
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