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WP8 released in Nov 2012
So we're actually at the one year mark, not two.
I presume this setup also works with Passbook (https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/userexperience/Reference/PassKit_Bundle/Chapters/LowerLevel.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012026-CH3-SW4)?
3.3% was Windows Phone market share in Q2 2013 according to Gartner (http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2573415). As it was Windows Phone's best quarter to date, the actual share of Windows Phone devices in use is probably significantly lower.
It's not market share, it's sales share in the last quarter. Given that most people keep a smart phone for 2 years (contract length) the market share is roughly the phones sold in the last 8 quarters.
The increase in the EU, which is the figures I presume you're talking about (http://www.kantarworldpanel.com/global/News/Windows-Phone-nears-double-digit-share-across-Europe - I've not seen the 5% world wide mentioned anywhere else and my guess is that's a little high), is encouraging for Windows Phone, but as a developer they need several more quarters like that before they're considered as a requirement along with iOS and Android.
Re: The dogs bark
Not really similar to BlackBerry, in that Apple are still selling significant numbers of devices at a much higher margin that everyone else. I predict a PC-esque smartphone market where Apple = Apple (~10% market share, but at the high price end) and Android = Windows (the other ~90%, everything from dirt cheap upwards), with anomalies in countries with high number of contract / subsidised "free" phones where people don't realise or care (as it's such a small fraction of the cost of the network service, e.g. USA) how much they're paying for the Apple kit. Apple may never hit the peaks they've previously seen, but they'll be making lots of money for the foreseeable future.
Re: I fell for this once
Isn't judging Windows Phone on how Windows Mobile worked a bit like saying I'm not getting an iPhone as I didn't like the Newton?
But people (mostly) don't but OEM's products, the networks do. They see an advantage of having exclusive deals to attract people to switch, and so offer incentives (bigger orders, more prominent promotion, higher unit price, etc.) to the OEMs to take these deals.
Re: Should we trust Android more though?
"Hypothetically, if an Android phone was released with fingerprint reading capability (now a likely outcome in response to apple)" - Motorola Atrix (http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix-3709.php) - released in Jan 2011.
The new Sony works with any Android 4.0+ device.
Re: Oh, great!
Microsoft have bought both the Lumia and Asha brand names, and have rights to use the Nokia brand name on mobile phones until 2016 (Nokia can also use the Nokia brand name in that time, but not on a mobile phone/tablet/whatever).
Have I misunderstood this vulnerability or is it:
- Hacker could take Facebook/Twitter/etc. APK.
- Add malicious code into it.
- Distribute the app (via 3rd party sites unless they have access to the companies Google Play login) and it would be installed as a valid update to your already installed Facebook/Twitter/etc. apps.
But if you could get people to install your app from a non-Google Play source, couldn't you just as easily have them install any app that's labelled as Facebook/Twitter/etc. and just have the app open a web view or crash on startup (once you've done whatever you wanted to)?
So what's the real vulnerability to end users? Not suggesting it shouldn't be fixed, but how does this make it easier to infect a phone?
Re: Wifi hotspot
Haven't used it in years, but this used to work really well: http://www.joiku.com
We have an app with 100,000+ downloads in Google Play (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.attidomobile.passwallet). They come from 1637 device models. 56% of the downloads are from the 10 most popular models, 5 of which are which are Samsung (Note, S1/S2/S3 and Nexus).
Fragmentation is a problem in that people with obscure devices (we have 520 different models with a single download on that model) will shout quite loudly when it doesn't work perfectly, but in reality you can test on 5-10 devices and pretty much cover you user base (either using the same device or something similar enough so as not to see issues).
I'm sure this is a bigger issue if you're using native code or writing the Facebook/Twitter apps where you'll have 100m+ users, but they they have larger resources for testing.
Compared to developing PC software, where people could be running on hardware they've put together themselves, the number of variants of Android is trivial.
Re: Don't need to download dodgy apps
Not sure which version of Android it was introduced in, but you can "disable" pre-installed apps. It's in the app manager where you'd normally un-install 3rd party apps.
Re: Fiddling the results?
I think they're probably concerned about people on the other side of London calling the helpline as they're having trouble with their FreeView.
If anyone's interested in trying out the apps; PassWallet (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.attidomobile.passwallet) & codeREADr (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skycore.android.codereadr).
Re: Limited capacity
Surface Pro vs MacBook Air not iPad
Surely the Surface (running WinRT) is competing with an iPad, and the Surface Pro's main Apple competition is the MacBook Air? In that they both run the full versions of Microsoft and Apple's OSs, and are both spec'd to run full applications. You just get a touch screen thrown in with the Surface Pro.
By all means continue to criticise the Surface Pro for using more space for the OS than the MacBook Air does, but at least compare like for like.
Re: Whats not to like here?
But if you see them both as your personal devices, do you need to be able to use them both at the same time?
For me the main two advantages are (1) I only pay for one SIM & (2) when I plug my phone into the tablet over lunch / on a train / whatever my phone gets recharged from the tablets battery (Admittedly, I'm presuming that's the case on the Padfone2, as that's how the Padfone one worked when I saw it demoed at MWC).
Plus other benefits like watching a video / playing games / writing an email / etc. on the tablet and you can then just carry on with the phone.
Re: Default maps
Which country is that? Genuinely interested, as I've used Nokia Maps for years (N80 first phone I had with it I think) and have never had any issues.
Re: Way to go.....
Windows Phone 7.x apps will work on Windows Phone 8. It's the other way around that may be a problem (if your app uses the new features or contains native code for example).
Have you ever actually used Windows Phone for more than 5 minutes? Serious question, as people seem to have very strong opinions for how awful it is but very few seem to have ever owned / borrowed an actual device.
Re: Are you serious?
I recently switched from a Nokia Lumia 800 to a Samsung Galaxy S3.
Yes the "resuming..." of apps on Windows Phone got annoying, and any improvements in the multitasking would be a huge benefit.
But I've seen the S3 fail to respond significantly more times than I ever saw on the Lumia 800.
Bringing up the list of apps and returning to the desktop are prime examples. I don't even have a lot of widgets on the S3 (mostly full screen task / calendar / mail / etc.)
Admittedly there may just be something wrong with my device, it's just an observation.
But my impression from using WP devices (I've also used a HTC Pro 7 in the past) was that the processing power (or lack of) wasn't a huge issue. It's almost like it's been designed to run with that (locked down) spec.
1) How does it perform using OpenGL on Windows? Is this performance boost down to them optimising the app for the OpenGL version?
2) How many of the app optimisations done for OpenGL would also be applicable to the Direct3D version?
Re: That and
I thought the apps will be compatible with WP8, and it's the other way around that's the (potential) problem?
So you write an app now and it works on WP7.5 & WP8.
You write an app in future, and if you use some new features, such as native C/C++, it'll only work on WP8.
Or did I miss something / get the wrong end of the stick?
Re: Erm yes it is
You can choose to output the 1:1 pixels if you want, which results in 34 or 38 MPixel images depending on the aspect ratio (Nokia have released a paper detailing the tech), so yes you're right that you can't output 41 MPixel images, but you can easily choose not to have the scaled down ones.
However, I think one of the main selling points is that you either get digital zoom that's reasonable quality (as it's not stretching the image) or you get low noise 3/5/8 MPixel images due to the over sampling.
re: Have you seen my phone?
I think you might be missing the point. Your girlfriend will watch TV using her core gadget.
The screens just become peripherals anyone can use.
You walk into a hotel room, and the TV links to it.
You get on a plane/train/car and the display mounted in front of you links to it.
You sit at someones desk and you get your desktop on their display / keyboard / mouse / whatever.
You give a presentation and the projector links to it.
You're going out climbing/skiing/biking, so you take a bulky ruggerdised display to link to it.
You're going to work so you take you thin, large screen, iPhone-esque handset to link to it.
You upgrade to the new 4G 8-core version, and all the other screens/peripherals still work.
Lots of practical issues (battery life mostly) others have mentioned. But a very cool idea.
re: No surpise
We've had other websites offering downloads of our FREE apps. Some even charging for them (we've had customers email us asking for a refund!)
Why a "huge risk"?
"In theory, buying an HP Touchpad was – and still is, if you manage to get your hands on one – a huge risk."
I really don't get this. Yes, if you're going to spend £500 on a tablet, I can see why most would buy an iPad. More apps. Better support. Future updates. Etc. (I'd personally buy an EeePc Transformer, but you get the point).
But people didn't spend £500, they spent £89 / £115.
Given that there's not likely to be a new web, image, video or audio format to become popular overnight, I really don't see why getting a pretty solid device that covers most of the use cases for a tablet for a fraction of the price is "risky".
If Nokia / Microsoft are worried that the WP7 devices won't be able to compete with the N9, it doesn't say a lot for their chances against iOS & Android.
And @StrictlySocial, I've only had a brief play with a Mango device, and to be honest I'll reserve judgement until the app updates have come out to make use of the multitasking and the bugs are ironed out (I can't actually get it to add Twitter / LinkedIn accounts, even though the authorization completed, etc).
But the current release is basically a feature phone with a big screen and large price tag. I got one to try out through work that cost £450: using RunKeeper was a joke (brush any of the buttons and it shuts down), Last.fm client that shuts off when you want to do anything else, no Twitter/FB notifications for messages, etc, etc.
"U really think that producing a film in 3D doesnt cost any more that producing one in 2D, SERIOUSLY ????"
Which other films have the ticket price linked to the production cost? Do low budget films for £1 to see in your cinema and the summer blockbuster £10?
Generally if you spend more making a film you hope to make the money back by selling more tickets, not by making the tickets more expensive. Why should 3D films be treated any differently?
NFC in US C7-00 or in PR 2.0
Is the NFC functionality added exclusively in the Astound, or is it a feature added in SW update PR 2.0, which the European C7-00 will get eventually and the Astound is launched with?
"Don't hold out much hope for M$ if they want to make themselves look serious competition when they can't update their coding to at least change a name in a text file."
I'm not aware of any APIs that actually return the name of the OS, just the version number. So I'd say the problem lies in Steam having not been updated to handle version numbers greater than 6.0.
Using the Flickr APIs? Not saying he should have to, but you can access all your metadata (tags / groups / sets / etc) through them. Re-adding comments / restoring the original photo URLs I don't think are possible though.
re: Yes, you're missing something
"If that wasn't enough, they're still managing to shrink on total shipments in a growing market."
No they're not. Sales of smartphones are up quarter on quarter for the last 18 months. They haven't been rising as much as the smartphone market has been expanding, so market share has been dropping.
Making MeeGo apps cross architecture?
Wouldn't this be more about taking MeeGo apps from ARM based smart phones and getting the same binaries to run on the Intel based netbooks (which would have faster processors / more memory / etc)?
And the Apple slant was purely because it was reported on MacWorld?
"Ovi does promise operator billing at some unspecified point in the future"
Ovi's had operator billing in the UK and a lot of other countries since last year. As a developer, I wish they didn't, as then we'd actually get the 70% revenue from Ovi that you get from Apple.
iPhone people's first smartphone
I think a significant reason for the increase in smartphone sales is that people who bought iPhones previously never had smartphones.
I'm basing this purely on personal observation, but it would explain why phone geeks (and I include myself in that) critercised Apple for lack of multitasking, etc. and people who bought iPhones didn't really care (because no phone they'd had previously did those things either).
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