2361 posts • joined 17 Apr 2007
The terrible product (N97) was bad, but the after sales really nailed their coffin shut.
Obviously there were things the N97 could never do, so no firmware update would ever give it multitouch or anything like that, but basic faults like a GPS which couldn't hold a lock at more than walking speed when Nokia were giving away free turn by turn satnav was just ridiculous.
Delays in firmware updates as Nokia let carriers decide when/if their customers were allowed updates just left people stuck with old firmware, and old bugs that were fixed months ago. Not that Joe Public knew any of this, he just knew his Nokia was a lemon and bought something else next time round.
The latter issue could be worked round by changing the model ID of the phone to a generic Euro one, guess what, you couldn't mention this to anyone suffering a problem which was already fixed on the Nokia forums! If you did one of the pocket Hitler mods would pull the post and tell you off. I even tried to explain that if Joe Public thinks his Nokia is crap he won't buy one next time, and eventually you won't have anyone to moderate in the forum, but have to give up in the face stubborn stupidity.
After over 10 years of loyal Nokia (and Symbian) ownership I finally jumped last month. I was so fed up with my N97 which I'm still stuck in a contract for, I went out and paid real money for an Android based HTC Desire Z, and do you know what, it's fan-bloody-tastic! I've had it for a month and it's just worked, perfectly, no weird errors, loads of great free apps. I've even got round to starting to write some apps for it, something I did try to do with Symbian a couple of times, but on both occasions the development environment wouldn't even compile their own example code, so I gave up on that idea!
As you say, Nokia's navigation of their randomly changing road map would make for a good depressing film, but I doubt anyone would believe it!
I'm feeling decidedly slow all of a sudden!
Maybe I should do a reset, turn off lookout and give it another go.
Not bad benchmarks...
I (just for giggles) ran the spider on my standard HTC Desire Z running Android 2.2.1
Standard browser: 7362.5ms +/- 2.5%
Unfortunately neither Opera Mobile of Firefox4 beta on the phone can run it.
It will be interesting to compare the results when HTC release the gingerbread update.
Re: Font Size
But just look at that line spacing, is that defined too? If not then they could get that down to 12 pages just by writing like a normal person!
Time will tell...
It depends what you mean by "get along fine"... 1000 years ago Anglo-Saxon and Norman French co-existed, then ended up in the tumble-drier of linguistics and English came out.
They evolved and cross-bred, and resulted in modern English calling a cow a cow when it's in a field, and beef when it's on the plate. Something which causes natives of most other languages to raise an eyebrow.
You've got to be damn stubborn for two languages to co-exist and not influence each other. Either the infamously stubborn Académie française have failed to prevent the entire population accepting the phrase "Le weekend".
The difference between tennis, where a ball has to go a specific side of a line every couple of seconds and football, where a ball might, if you're lucky, get kicked over a line half a dozen times in the space of 90 minutes is huge!
Surely this could be adequately covered with a camera or two? 5th umpire style. It works fine for cricket and of course Rugby.
The sooner they make use of all the TV feeds which are already available, and let the ref see (or be informed by) what the world plus dog have just seen, and screamed abuse at their TV set for, the better.
Re: You are indeed slightly confused
That would of course assume that the Spanish government are actually in it for the good of the country as a whole and not their own personal gain... More money in govt kitty = more juicy contracts for friends and a healthy public service pension pot...
Maybe I've just been exposed to the UK political system too long!
Why would the Spanish government care about reducing fuel imports? Feel free to correct me if I've missed anything here...
1) Spain has recently been bailed out by the EU, and is a bit short of cash.
2) Spain (as in the government) doesn't pay for the fuel, the customer does.
3) Spain (the government) will of course tax the fuel, and probably add something like VAT on as well.
4) Customers (the residents of Spain who are complaining about the new limit) buy the fuel, pay the fuel tax and pay the VAT.
5) The more fuel the customers use, the more tax will go to the government and vice versa.
So surely if everyone slowed down, the government would very quickly find itself short of cash again? A bit like the UK government would if we all stopped doing the things they "say" they want us to stop doing (and tax heavily), drinking, smoking, starting our vehicles etc.
Re: What was that?
No, the 'droid boys have a choice over what they put on their phone, and where they get it from. They are not subject to the whims of a single corporation and what seem like their very personal likes and dislikes.
How many times have Google pulled the switch and said "No, that's bad!", errr, once, and that's on programs that are trojans... How many times has St Jobs and pals said "No, they can't use/see/have that", probably multiple times an hour, and that will be for programs that maybe show too much flesh, or just look wrong, or maybe even let people purchase from somewhere other than the istore! Shock horror!
You've got to remember that a mobile phone is a very powerful device which is generally released into the hands of the moronic masses (If you don't think the public are that stupid just look at the viewing figures for reality TV).
For google to release a device that powerful without any way to reign it in to stop the masses from hurting themselves is akin to letting Joe Public walk about with a .44 magnum... Oh...
Re: Looks like bash a network day
Actually, if MS had a kill switch it would be fundamentally flawed. Two weeks after it goes live it would be exploited and Microsoft office would magically be uninstalled from every PC on the planet!
Re: Funny you should mention that
It came to mind as I had just been playing about with the Speccy emulator, Marvin on my HTC Desire!
Now if you don't mind I've just got to get past Eugene's lair...
Re: You get what you pay for
It did indeed. The CPU did everything, so if you could tie it up doing something else, it wouldn't have time to do the screen.
The ZX80's screen used to flicker when you pressed buttons, purely because it was being distracted having to process the keyboard input.
The PET was a bit expensive for the home market, but I do have fond memories of them (and one in the attic). First computer I ever programmed in machine code. Still got my Rodnay Zaks' programming books on the shelf.
Somewhere I should still have the sound interface I made for the PET... By connecting onto the 6522's serial shift register.
re: Doing down a rare success
I wouldn't quite say the changes shook the businesses down to nothing, more like they evolved, some died, some lived on... Have you heard of ARM? (clue, there's one in that ipad you're holding).. You do know where they came from don't you?
Oddly enough I was just playing Manic Miner... On a spectrum emulator on my mobile phone! I bet it's got loads of delay looks to stop the 800Mhz ARM processor running the emulation of the 3.5Mhz Z80 too fast!
Not even that... Look at a ZX81 and then look at the mobile phone in your hand!
I've been doing some work with microcontrollers recently, and even those £3 chips have 32k of EEPROM, 2K of RAM and run at 16Mhz! It does amuse me no end, but the tight assembler programming habits I picked up from years of 2Mhz 6502 coding on my BBC micro has stood me in good stead.
I was gifted an old '81 a few years ago, it had already had a "real" keyboard (kingston?) added in a bigger case, and the ram pack connected with good old fashioned solder!
My BBC I've had for almost 30 years is still with me. PSU upgraded to switch mode model from it's original linear jobby. Board upgraded from model A to B with all the trimming. Solidisk sideways RAM, CPU upgraded to 65C02, and of course the Music 500 you mention... And it all still works! How on earth that happened after the number of soldering iron adventures I had inside that case in my teenage years I do not know!
I never did manage to make head nor tail of composing with the Music 500 though!
A truly locked phone would be pretty hard to return to the owner unless the owner realised the phone was lost and called it before the 24 hours of operation the average super smart phone can manage had expired.
I did find an N95 8gig a few years ago in a pub. Luckily it wasn't locked, so I called the last two people the owner had called and explained the situation. One of the people was a work mate who would be seeing the owner next morning, so I left my number so they could call me.
A few days later the phone was back with its owner, and I earnt a couple of free beers after work, which is always nice.
I was just about to say the same thing. I've only recently got my 'droid, and one of the first stops was Swype... Sign up for the beta, and there you go!
Brilliant... Makes me wonder why I bought a Desire Z with a really keyboard now! lol!
He's also wearing his baseball cap backwards which is normally limited to looking stupid on people half his age... Well done for bridging the generation gap on that one Charlie!
Re re Was the author of this piece there?
As opposed to how Americans in general pronounce Jagwaah?
That's fine by me
Home address and mobile number are two things I already don't share with facebook!
Cheating when the phones are on the same account would be a bit stupid, or am I the only person on the planet who still receives an itemised call list on my bill?
I believe the standard technique is to obtain a second phone. If the spouse doesn't even know it exists then they can't install anything on it!
I don't think android strips away the ability to innovate and make a product "yours", just look at htc.
Can you get iphone free on £30 a month contacts now?
I regularly find things I would like turn up on Alibaba, but the reputation the Asian continent has for scams and such has always put me off...
Well that and naming your site after a guy who is associated with 40 thieves and was guilty of breaking, entering and theft.
I think F1 would be quite entertaining if the crowd were armed with automatic weapons... It would certainly ensure the rules that Ferrari love to bend so much far more efficiently than the FIA do.
In fact if this had been introduced a few years back we would have been spared several years of watching the follow Schumacher precession which made viewers tune out faster than Bernie appearing in a mankini.
Re: Do iPhones really outnumber Android phones 3-1 in Europe?
Remember the stats are based on web hits, not on sales. So all the graph shows is that iOS users browsed sites running this specific counter 3 times more than Android... However, as you say, it could be a case of miss counting. iOS has been locked into the built in browser until only recently, whereas Symbian and Android users have been able to opt for other since year dot. If these are not identified as the correct OS then the entire graph and conclusions drawn from it aren't worth jack.
I for one wouldn't dream of browsing t'intarweb on the default Nokia browser. First install on Symbian for me was always Opera mobile, and the second was Opera mini!
Re: Yeah, but no, but...
Indeed... The demise of Symbian is probably the end of the mobile that can last 4 days without a charge for quite a while.
Wait for it...
Standby for next weeks headline from the Nokia PR machine that signups as Nokia developers have reached a record high since announcing the Microsoft deal... Whilst casually forgetting to mention the free phone deal and that 90% of the new signups are just after the freebees...
Time to dust off the ebay account... Now where do I sign up?
I was given (without asking) a Barclaycard contact-less visa and Oyster card in 2009... I've yet to find anywhere to wave it... Maybe I've missed opportunities, I don't know, but if the shop staff don't let me know they have wave-able technology, how am I supposed to know?
I guess I should look out for anywhere that has water slides through it as a hint.
Re: Grow up Steve
I apologise if you miss understood the target of my comments, but I did clarify it in my first reply... Now please lay off the coffee and stop being such a victim.
Try a beer.
Did I say *all*? No I did not. I singled out the lazy ones who's entire HTML consists of the flash embedding wrapper which they automatically generate.
You decided to walk into the firing line of my comment all by yourself.
I really am torn on this... On one hand I hate St Jobs' "I know what's good for you" control freak attitude, the main reason I own nothing fruit-themed, but on the other hand I hate the lazy arty "web designers", ironically most of whom work on Macs, that don't/can't write HTML and just throw an entire site up that is nothing more than embedded flash!
So in summary, I demand the right to waste my mobile bandwidth and data cap by downloading a huge, pointless flash thingy if I want to, but I also want to be able to turn it off in my mobile browser!
"Imagine the boffins' surprise, then, when it turned out that all their bald mice had grown hair again and could not be told apart from the others any longer."
Sounds like somebody's mother accidentally killed them whilst the boffins were away, and replaced them... "They'll never notice" she was heard to say...
Give it a month...
..and Microsoft/Facebook will announce an alliance to run the whole thing on WM7 and power all the searches with Bing!
Not quite that simple...
Some of the viruses are so determined to spread on a LAN that they can saturate switches and effectively cut-off other systems which aren't even infected... Added to this the brute force log in attempts that they often try and you can quickly find that user accounts are disabled purely because a completely separate infected machine has attempted to brute force the log in and the domain controller has had a pink fit about it and locked down!
Playing audio in the background? How very Symbian 2004...
Mines the one with the new Android phone in the pocket.
Re: will limit WP7 to Nokia
Exactly my thoughts... Hopefully HTC will say "thank you MS" for actually making them a mainstream manufacturer and then go and spend all their time working on more new Android devices :-)
Re: "If it is a hit like the N900"
Well that's 1 more than I've seen N97 (yes, I bought one... D'oh), and 4 more (including your N900) than WinMo...
And a hell of a lot less than I've seen the HTC Desire family... Hmmmm
Re: All those people looking for jobs
I wonder if any of them will wander out with the N97 firmware source in his pocket and finally fix the f*ckin' thing whilst enjoying his unemployment just to prove Symbian can do it?
Re: Big Battalions
Very true. Certainly in the UK you couldn't buy a generic Euro Nokia. It was either an operator supplied or something called a country variant (CV). Firmware updates for operator phones are invariably delayed for 6 months or blocked completely by the operator, meaning you're stuck with the POS early OS version.
CV updates are delayed by some faceless and nameless body that nobody seems to be able to kick up the arse.
The result is that in the UK the updates just don't arrive, the phones are buggy, people curse them, bin them and go buy an iphone/android.
The "cheat" is to change the model number on the phone to generic Euro and then you get the firmware update when Nokia release it... Guess which subject is banned in the Nokia user to user discussion forum... Yup, you got it... Model number hacking... The one thing that can fix so many user problems in one hit. In their conceit for being such a huge mobile phone manufacturer they forgot that a happy punter is a returning punter, and nobody returned. Personally I've been planning my jump to an HTC Android after 10+ years of Nokias for the past few months.
Nokia has spent so much time bent over with their tongue up the arse of the operators they didn't spot Ballmer swaggering up behind them with a pot of vaseline in his hand!
Re: Oh please. Hardly a suicidal tactic is it
Actually, this man and his cat acknowledges that Nokia *used to* make good hardware. The N97 was a bit of a shock in that respect. The lens cover that actually scratches the lens if you use it, and pitiful GPS which couldn't keep a lock if you do something radical, like move!
The way they handled both of these problems showed me something else, conceit towards their customers. This was the main reason Nokia weren't even in my short list for next phone long before they revealed their latest strategy... So glad I couldn't get their Qt development SDK to work on my machine. God I would be pissed right now if I'd spent time learning that.
Re: Why bother
So does that mean we still can't have Dick Van Dyke locked up in the tower for crimes against the cockney accent?
Oh, and if you're such a royalist, could you do us a favour... Come back and pay some UK taxes to support her instead of being a royalist for free!
Re: Clueless wankers
Ricky Gervais' award presentation speech was actually the first time that guy has made me laugh! Up until then I had found his shows about as entertaining at a teetotal funeral. Then again, maybe it was the room full of squirming Americans that made it funny.
Now be a good lad and make me some fart-heaters.
UK iplayer version...
They've already withdrawn and reissued the UK iplayer version earlier this week. They removed the comments JC made about the ambassador not complaining because he'll be asleep in his chair.
"We are standing on a burning deck..."
and now you've just poured petrol over yourself.
Has anyone notice the subtle edit on the iplayer recording of the program? I noticed it vanish off the iplayer list the other day and thought "spineless BBC have pulled it" but then it returned... A quick check to about 17 minutes revealed the Mexican comments were still there, so I thought they must have just had a glitch...
However, having just played the entire section back to a friend who missed the show, I find that all the Mexican jokes remain *except* Clarkson's comment about the ambassador! Looks like Mr Ambassador was only bothered about his own reputation and couldn't give two hoots about the reputation of the country he is supposed to represent and promote.
Re: My First Thought As Well
I've recently been doing those exact maths for the HTC desire Z... Even with buying myself out of the last 3 months and getting it on an upgrade it works out better than buying the phone separately and going SIM only. Being able to get £100 back for my old N70 from phones4u is even better... Did the same a few years ago, so I had to get another N70 off ebay.... £20 :-)
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Paying for a handset on a contract? What a very strange idea!
I for one welcome our chopper enhanced cock overlords.
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