That's always the case.

But then the festering authoritarian stuff will be discussed in the open at least.

Yet another follower of the fat-bellied neoconazi party line.

"Those who think the leakers are heros may have a different perspective if one of their friends or family members dies as a result."

It's really amazing that argument is never made about drone kills. Or illegal wars. Or sudden "accidents" in Gitmo. Or "revolutions" coming out of US embassies. Or financing of "our" terrorists for the goals of regime change. Or cruise missile liberalism. Or "crippling trade sanctions".

"No government is perfect but little if any good can come from divulging these documents."

All government is shite and lots of good can come of it. Hell, we can already identify obedient party toers just by the sound they make.

"These leaks will cause international relations to be severely compromised for decades and it only took a couple nut-jobs to leak the docs."

You mean to say the US can't have as much pull when the man behind the curtain is exposed. Hopefully the tape with the really secret stuff falls off a Fed Truck soon.

Engineering is not science.

Wouldn't that be "anti-engineering?"

Henry Petroski: "Take this year's oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. No one, to the best of my knowledge, blamed it on science. Poor engineering decisions allowed gas to escape from a well in deep water, which in turn caused a fatal explosion. Subsequently, the engineered blowout preventer failed, and for months oil escaped into the environment. Poor engineering got us into the mess; surely only good engineering could get us out of it. Yet repeatedly, government and other research scientists were allowed to veto the engineering tactics needed to staunch the flow. In the end, of course, it was engineering that finally capped the well."

But there is no "4chan" per se.

It's just a collection of diverging special interest groups with the Times Man of The Year as figurehead. Not unlike a roving Circus Collective.

Pedobear icon replaced by Teh Paris.

It's not _that_ kind of "legal"

It's the kind of "legal" US lawyers get a raging boner about, so not really useful to go to court with except if you want to blow a wad of cash or write a book later.

As the Reg says:

"The Apache Software Foundation [...] will finish its relationship with the Java Community Process (JCP) if its rights to a license under the group's governing principles aren't upheld by Oracle."

And in http://www.apache.org/jcp/sunopenletter.html

"Since August 2006, the ASF has been attempting to secure an acceptable license from Sun for the test kit for Java SE. This test kit, called the "Java Compatibility Kit" or "JCK", is needed by the Apache Harmony project to demonstrate its compatibility with the Java SE specification, as required by Sun's specification license. The JCK license Sun is offering imposes IP rights

restrictions through limits on the "field of use" available to users of our software. These restrictions are totally unacceptable to us. As I explain below, these restrictions are contrary to the terms of the Java Specification Participation Agreement (JSPA) - the governing rules

of the JCP - to which Sun is contractually bound to comply as a signatory."

Terroist organisation blah blah.

I wonder where all of these sudden Anonymous Cowards pulling bullshit propaganda out of their nether orifices are coming from.

It's the same as happened when Israel accidentally the whole peace flotilla. Ugly brownshirt worms crawling all over the message boards.

Some boiler-room astroturf operation, shurely?

How the hell...

Do you become "member of 4chan"?

Back to /b/ with you.

Tougher than pissing off The Third Reich

At least the well-uniformed regime did not have controlling interests just about anywhere.

Seekuh diniert

This is the "death of Java" in the same way as "cablegate" is the death of international diplomacy.

Wuh? Duh?

"as many patent licenses include restrictions on revealing the methodology"

Run that by me again.

It's not called a "patent" for nothing. It may be obfuscated and engineered to trap as many unwary souls as possible to generate rent, but there are no _restrictions_ on revealing anything. It's not trade secrecy.

Also, good luck on choosing the way of trying "not to infringe" when you don't even know whether you might.

Unfortunately...

...being well mannered, well meaning people doesn't bring in the bacon.

Maybe this will help

Ok, this is AlterNet, but bear with me...

http://www.alternet.org/story/149100/the_9_weirdest_things_about_the_wikileaks_story?page=3

Assange's London attorney, Mark Stephens, told AOL News today that Swedish prosecutors told him that Assange is wanted not for allegations of rape, as previously reported, but for something called "sex by surprise," which he said involves a fine of 5,000 kronor or about $715. "Whatever 'sex by surprise' is, it's only a offense in Sweden -- not in the U.K. or the U.S. or even Ibiza," Stephens said. "I feel as if I'm in a surreal Swedish movie being threatened by bizarre trolls. The prosecutor has not asked to see Julian, never asked to interview him, and he hasn't been charged with anything. He's been told he's wanted for questioning, but he doesn't know the nature of the allegations against him."

In Sweden: Burst Condom == Rape!

I think in Sweden you can insure against rape, so you can also cash in big...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/19/world/europe/19assange.html?_r=1

"Private US medical system?"

There are any others?

Do you think the gov-sponsored hospital down the road is _not_ going to shove you into the scanner then send the bill to the tax collector to keep the cellar nurses busy (when they don't give you aspirin to help you recover after the left side of your body suddenly signs off, that is)?

ITT: Bizarre opinions of how "public healthcare" actually works.

Hey JimC, maybe you want to actually explain your claim?

Otherwise, go back to right-wind bullshit.

Don't know what the hell you are smoking pal

...but it must have been Stalin's personal stash.

I guess you are working as sysop in a some social-support quango. Clue in: Wikileaks ain't interesed in the stuff on your RAID device.

That sums it up.

Meanwhile, on these "rape" charges;

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/

More like a letter from "unnamed officials" amirite?

You know Big Brother just wants to help you keep your service up.

Furthermore, there is no point in reading anything leaked, because it's all old news. Move along now.

The law cannot be applied...

...because there is nothing to apply it to.

But we all know that "law" is an old and antiquated concept. "Taking off the shackles", remember?

Get of of your roach cellar

...and just use it.

That's a pretty bizzare idea.

In Nuremberg, lots of people got a fine sentence, sometimes for a lot less than what the Empire is currently pulling. In your logic, they would all have walked free.

Being candid will preclude you from getting a job?

Seconding this. I also like the locker room humor and chest.thumping of "senior management" when they lower their price estimate by 30% in about 10 minutes.

I can tell you that it's harsh when one is suddenly alone on a job that requires at least 4 persons fulltime because "we can't afford it".

You can then only hope the projects kills itself before you do,

No secrets all right.

It's just the Americans shitting all over themselves like babies and behaving badly.

But we knew that all along.

Sir Bedivere

...and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped.

This happens currently anyways...

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2010/11/murderous-us-government-explained.html

[Many residents near Kandahar] have lodged repeated complaints about the scope of the destruction with U.S. and Afghan officials. In one October operation near the city, U.S. aircraft dropped about two dozen 2,000-pound bombs.

In another recent operation in the Zhari district, U.S. soldiers fired more than a dozen mine-clearing line charges in a day. Each one creates a clear path that is 100 yards long and wide enough for a truck. Anything that is in the way - trees, crops, huts - is demolished.

"Why do you have to blow up so many of our fields and homes?" a farmer from the Arghandab district asked a top NATO general at a recent community meeting.

Although military officials are apologetic in public, they maintain privately that the tactic has a benefit beyond the elimination of insurgent bombs. By making people travel to the district governor's office to submit a claim for damaged property, "in effect, you're connecting the government to the people," the senior officer said.