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"Hmm, this is a completely non-peer reviewed diatribe consisting of ad hominem attacks and gross, unsubstantiated allegations"
This is personal opinion piece and there aren't "ad hominem" attacks in there. I have never heard of personal opinion pieces being peer reviewed, except in Marxist journals.
ELF waves produce earthquakes...
"Astonishingly, i can't find any evidence to say that they can't."
What are you trying to say? Your "intuition-based" causal reasoning processes seem ass-backwards.
Also, Tesla could rip the Earth in half from his New York basement lab and the US army has secret UFO tech etc..
Where is the facepalm icon when you need it.
Maybe that's why aliens won't talk to us?
Deutschlandfunk has some Greenpeace Dude calmly speaking of the "ongoing renewed core meltdown" and building a Chernobyl Sarcophagus around the whole stricken plant just now..
Anyone care to comment on why
"At Unit 1, there has been an increase in temperature at the feed-water nozzle of the RPV from
273.8 °C to 299 °C. The temperature at the bottom of the RPV [Reactor Pressure Vessel] remained stable at 135 °C."
Do these guys still manage to have an active core with drooping fuel rods or something?
Pool's closed due to Iodine
The IAEA running dog lackey of the Nuclear Industry conference will be "before summer"
"On 28 March 2011 at a special briefing on the Fukshima nuclear accident held for IAEA Member States, IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano announced a high-level IAEA Conference on Nuclear Safety should take place in Vienna before the summer.
Noting that the Fukushima crisis has confronted the Agency and the international community with a major challenge, Director General Amano said that it was "vitally important that we learn the right lessons from what happened on 11 March and afterwards, in order to strengthen nuclear safety throughout the world." He recalled that following the IAEA Board of Governors meeting in the previous week, "many countries joined my call for robust follow-up action."
Well, the discussion to tear down the 8? reactors that were SCRAMed at the news of the JAPAN INCIDENT a couple of weeks ago is now in full swing. Ancillary to this I heard on the radio that Germany plans to import hydropower from Norway. This will replace about 1 nuke. A laudable idea but guess what's first on the list of talking points: NIMBYness regarding the power converters and public fear of the high-voltage lines. Sigh.
Rabid crapple, Batman!
I wonder whether JobsCo is under influence of HAARP?
Stop making up stuff.
"Safety systems failed because the reactors were under-designed and obsolete."
Safety systems worked as designed.
"Reactor pressure vessels, which may or may not have survived the initial quake, subsequently failed decisively from hydrogen explosions."
Number 2 *may* be damaged.
"Workers suffered prompt injuries from radiation burns during the cleanup."
No they didn't.
"The ultimate toll among the workers remains uncounted."
Currently at 0.
"We don't yet know how bad it will get,"
SHIVER ME TIMBERS!
"though we know it almost got really, really bad several times."
Get out of here, Stalker!
"But the IAEA themselves, not known for their independence from the nuclear industry, report that contamination levels out to 78km were between 200 and 900kBq/sq metre. And Wade has been rather selective with his data, to put it kindly. The UN definition of radioactively contaminated land is 37kBq/sq metre just as he writes, but actually, in all the maps published, the inner 30km Chernobyl contamination exclusion zone is defined as 555kBq/sq metre and above. This is just a fact. Why has he misled us? In passing, this means that there are 555,000 radioactive disintegrations per second on one square metre of surface. Can you believe this is not harmful? No. And you would be correct. And another calculation can be made. Since the IAEA data show that these levels of contamination, from 200,000 to 900,000 disintegrations per second per square metre, exist up to 78km from Fukushima, we can already calculate that the contamination is actually worse than Chernobyl, not 1% of Chernobyl as Wade states. For the area defined by a 78km radius is 19113 sq km compared to the Chernobyl exclusion zone of 2827 sq km. About seven times greater."
Apart from the fact that the has to halve the km² due to the sea, I would really see the reference that says 20% of Honshu is now "The Zone".
The copyright may have been breached!! Copyright Chernobyl!!11
This just in:
First commentards showing severe irradiation by deadly amounts of lawyerlogic have already been delivered to a sanatorium. The primary emissions have been traced to known hot air purveyor HuffPo, recently acquired by AOL. Asked about trace amounts of decayed kernel code found in Android, a Google spokesperson took the Greenspan exit and started mumbling incoherently.
Film at 11.
"Skydiver 1. Radiation skyrocketing, UFOs in vicinity!"
We hear AC saying: "For a "minor incident" that was under control in a couple days, why the Hell is the water radiation level 12 miles out to sea also skyrocketing in addition to local ground water, reactor cooling water and the air?"
"Two IAEA teams are currently monitoring radiation levels and radioactivity in the environment in Japan. One team made gamma dose-rate measurements in the Tokyo and Chiba region at 3 locations. Gamma-dose rates measured ranged from 0.08 to 0.13 microsievert per hour, which is within or slightly above the background. The second team made additional measurements at distances of 30 to 46 km from the Fukushima nuclear power plant. At these locations, the dose rates ranged from 0.5 to 3 microsievert per hour. At the same locations, results of beta-gamma contamination measurements ranged from 0.02 to 0.3 Megabecquerel per square metre.
New results from the marine monitoring stations 30 km off-shore were received for seawater samples taken on 26 March. The levels decreased at most of the locations. For iodine-131 the concentration results for four monitoring stations are between 6 to 18 becquerel per litre, and for caesium-137 between -- below limit of detection -- and 16 becquerel per litre. The dose rates measured on the sea surface remain relatively low between 0.04 and 0.1 microsievert per hour.
Samples collected on 26 March 330 metres east of the discharge point showed increasing concentrations. There were found to be 74,000 becquerel per litre for iodine-131, 12,000 becquerel per litre for caesium-137, and 12,000 becquerel per litre for caesium-134.
It is still too early to draw conclusions for expected concentrations in marine food, because the situation can change rapidly. Modelling results show an initial north-eastern transport of liquid releases from the damaged reactors. "
"They found plutonium"
Not that it is impossible what with the whole building being transformed into toothpicks.
Thumbs down, eh?
"Two IAEA teams are currently monitoring in Japan. One team made gamma dose-rate measurements in the Tokyo region at 8 locations. Gamma dose-rates measured ranged from 0.08 to 0.15 microsievert per hour, which is within or slightly above the normal background. The second team made additional measurements at distances of 30 to 41 km from the Fukushima nuclear power plant. At these locations, the dose-rates ranged from 0.9 to 17 microsievert per hour. At the same locations, results of beta-gamma contamination measurements ranged from 0.03 to 3.1 Megabecquerel per square metre."
You get more rads from the granite in your kitchen.
...but will you buy an Apple product after that?
Well, that took some time
That announcement is stamped "Fukushima Nuclear Accident Update (27 March 2011, 03:00 UTC)" but I can't remember seeing it 28th March 0100 UTC.
Sitting on it, are they?
"nuclear power is a lot safer than coal"
"In Koriyama, 60 miles West of the plant, radiation levels are about 3.09 mSv PER HOUR."
What the hell are you smoking? Where are the data that show this is true?
The latest map here:
definitely does not show anything like that kind of nuclear dusting.
"Every assertion done by "experts" in the last weeks have proven wrong."
Except those by the fear-and-doom experts, amirite?
Maybe one should just collate all the sayings and assign them truthiness values and likelihood values.
NYT fail: The IAEA still can't find an integer Sv value.
Updates of 26 March 2011:
"We understand that a total of 17 TEPCO workers and contractors have received doses between 100 and 180 millisievert. TEPCO measured the dose rate of 400 millisievert per hour above the surface of the water in the Unit 3 turbine building where 2 workers had been contaminated."
There is leeway in that statement for hiding a couple of workers having been hit with 5 Sv, but still...
Old 70's scare stuff is old and has to updated for the 21st century.
"Even if the worst case scenario had happened do you honestly think the information would be made public? What purpose would it serve to have millions in panic?"
So .... currently there are not millions in panic fearing a coverup? It would actually be feasible to cover up a "worst case scenario" when you can buy a very good dosimeter for around USD 200 and upload data to Google Maps? Really now.
This story is stunned, it's pining for the Fjords.
Yes your are missing something...
Broken security cannot be detected with a one of those yellow plastic devices going "tick..tick"
Any further questions?
...people take closed source seriously, in spite of click-through licenses, ridiculous support contracts, EULAs with unenforcable claims, patent retardedness, lawyers' stench, NDAs, copyright shenanigans up your rear, vendor lock-in, money extortion AND the BSA breaking down your door to check company policy.
Sums it up so far.
Yup yup. Several thumbs up.
"The total dose taken by these men at the feet-level was 5-6 Sievert!"
Sounds like a case for amputation to me.
I still would like to know where that number is coming from though. The NYT?
"Only Chernobyl is a Level 7 event. We believe Fukushima should get there within 2 weeks as ever more of the current devastation becomes public."
Oh yeah? It's like Chernobyl it's only that no-one has noticed it yet? Probably because Japan has recently rejoined the Soviet Block.
I would hazard a guess...
That fish will be far worse shape from the chemicals that have been washed off the heavily populated coastline by the tsunami than by the cesium.
Hell, there whole reactors and open, bleeding nukes already in the Pacific. No-one actually cares.
Penguin icon because in the end he's gonna get it in his fatty layer.
I don't know why globalresearch should be taken seriously.
They have weirdo things like affirmations that the polar ice caps are increasing and that the Lybian revolt has been fomented by the West to grab some oil. It's worser than El Reg.
Evidently you are in good company
As so do the reactors!
"There wouldn't be a lot of point in doing so in the case of radio-caesium, as nobody has ever been able to show that this isotope has any health consequences at all: huge amounts were emitted from Chernobyl, but no discernible illnesses have resulted."
The IAEA says:
"Deposition of radioactivity is monitored daily by Japanese authorities in all 47 prefectures. From 23 March to 24 March, additional deposition has been detected in 7 of the 47 prefectures. Considerable variations are observed, the deposition at this day ranged from 42 to 16,000 Becquerel per square metre for iodine-131; the highest value determined for caesium-137 was 210 Becquerel per square metre. For the Shinjuku district of Tokyo, the deposition of iodine-131 on this day increased by 13,000 Becquerel per square metre, and the caesium-137 deposition by 160 Becquerel per square metre."
160 bq/m² .... not a whole lot.
3,600 kilowatts eh?
That's like three vacuum cleaners in a row.
This is the NYT!
Home of "Uranium From Niger" and "Saddam's Aluminium Tubes" Citing lots of anonymous sources again.
The IAEA just says:
"The three were contracted workers laying cables in the turbine building of the Unit 3 reactor. Two of them were found to have radioactivity on their feet and legs.
These were washed in the attempt to remove radioactivity, but since there was a possibility of Beta-ray burning of the skin, the two were taken to the Fukushima University Hospital for examination and then transferred to Japan's National Institute of Radiological Sciences for further examination. They are expected to be monitored for around four days.
It is thought that the workers ignored their dosimeters' alarm believing it to be to be false and continued working with their feet in contaminated water."
What to believe?
Heading for the hills now?
So the problem is nuclear waste all of sudden?
It's good to know...
...that we don't demand that nuclear reactors actually heal us before they become acceptable.
German tabloid retardedness
"Mit Schläuchen gegen den Super-GAU"
I like the idea of describing this as a "Super-GAU", i.e. a "Super-Worst-Case-Scenario".
The Worserest Nuclear Accident Evar!
Insert witticism about String Theory
As Ferdinand Foch said back in the early 20th:
"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent. I shall attack"
STUXNET CROSSBREEDS WITH WATSON, AWAKENS, STEALS CERTIFICATES!
Also implicated in Fukushima incident. Film at 11!
"This plant has now been so expensive they might as well been burning coal mixed with diamonds and then spent vast amounts of money scrubbing the flue emissions."
Any dollar amounts to back this up?
Also, you would still have ended up with a countryside covered in radioactive dust and heavy metals and a HUGE pile of coal ashes.
For greenery on coal ashes: http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/1144/
Maybe the holes were poked just in case? And the radiation is up 10K safe levels? Where? Measured how? How much?
You can't just reguritate SCARELINES and be done with it.
As heard this morning on German Radio: "The situation continues to deteriorate." Core meltdown, burnt workers, embargo on imported Japanese foodstuff etc.
Soon Godzilla, I imagine.
"We hate to use the Seivert scales over here because they don't go low enough to measure radiation."
1) It's "Sievert"
2) What's the problem with using mSv and µSv? 1 Sv = 100 rem. You already use "microREM". It's written µrem, btw.
3) It's not R.E.M. That's some music group. It's "rem", "röntgen equivalent in man"
"radiation exposures above natural background sources WILL cause cancers".
I call bullshit on a phrase with no meaning.
"163,000 becquerels of Cesium 137"
That means there are ~163'000 decays/s/kg.
Or 163 decays/s/g.
That's the radioactive activity of coal ashes or "low activity nuclear waste".
Yes, I'm on the panicphone.
There will always be lawyers and greed...
...and the way to a better world is to scrap the state guarantees given to patent holders and finance.
"Politicians only understand the language of bombs and bullets."
Farmer J.M. Setten, in a January 10, 1933, letter to Illinois Governor Henry Horne
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