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I know identity of Bitcoin's SECRET mastermind, says Ted Nelson

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Re: Nope

Paper Dollar is unstable and wholly impractical as a currency, it is only getting press right now because people think they can accumulate riches monetizing debt denominated in it. It fits perfectly well that a monetarist, a Keynesian and a string of clueless White House dwellers may have developed something that only works in a highly developed set of circumstances that they assume will never change.

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Re: Don't you just love ...

But he could do cameo appearances in something like "Conspiracy Theory II - Serial Conspiracies LAIN"

Could Tim Berners-Lee?

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Dude!

The ABC conjecture is very easy to explain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abc_conjecture

Proving it is hard. And Mochizuki's proof is apparently coming from the future, it's that kind of hard.

More on Mochizuki's proof at here for example. Excellent for Sunday Mornings.

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Google research chief: 'Emergent artificial intelligence? Hogwash!'

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Re: Anyone remember Kevin the Cyborg?

Well, there are more serious journals than El Reg writing about advances in AI all the time, and there is nothing Sci-Fi-esque about it.

IEEE Intelligent Systems comes to mind (ex "IEEE Intelligent Systems and their Applications" (1998-2000), ex "IEEE Expert" (1986-1997)).

Yes, things are heating up, the "far out AI, are you mad?" of yesterday becomes the "it has been done; can't be AI then" of today increasingly quickly. The goal or target or criterium for succes is, however, still as unclear as ever.

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Re: Yet Another Commentard

"There are not enough subatomic particles in the entire universe to hold the data that a single brain and its connections would generate."

Oh yeah? Care to explain how a brain can even work in the first place in this case?

I think you are sadly mistaken about the prowess of a brain. All this "but it's more powerful than that!" idea has never been substantiated. Quantum effects, DNA, the pineal gland. Mumbo-Jumbo. Magic Dust. Religious Wankage. Lower-level details with no demonstrated relevance to the level we are talking about here.

You still can't solve NP-complete problems in polynomial time. Can dogs with only a slightly smaller brain (which must still be super-powerful) get on your level? Hell, Kasparov can't even beat a poor symbolic logic machine working discrete timesteps, how powerful is THAT?

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Re: You're forgetting "leakage"

No, that project ain't going anywhere fast for now. A stab in the dark at something that resembles an approximation of adiabatic quantum computing (which, I may recall, has not been proven to be able to crack NP-complete problems) does not an Aggressive Hegemonizing Intelligence make.

Have some Charlies Stross, excellent in an over-the-top fashion:

It’s a simple but deadly dilemma. Automation is addictive; unless you run a command economy that is tuned to provide people with jobs, rather than to produce goods efficiently, you need to automate to compete once automation becomes available. At the same time, once you automate your businesses, you find yourself on a one-way path. You can’t go back to manual methods; either the workload has grown past the point of no return, or the knowledge of how things were done has been lost, sucked into the internal structure of the software that has replaced the human workers.

To this picture, add artificial intelligence. Despite all our propaganda attempts to convince you otherwise, AI is alarmingly easy to produce; the human brain isn’t unique, it isn’t well-tuned, and you don’t need eighty billion neurons joined in an asynchronous network in order to generate consciousness. And although it looks like a good idea to a naive observer, in practice it’s absolutely deadly. Nurturing an automation-based society is a bit like building civil nuclear power plants in every city and not expecting any bright engineers to come up with the idea of an atom bomb. Only it’s worse than that. It’s as if there was a quick and dirty technique for making plutonium in your bathtub, and you couldn’t rely on people not being curious enough to wonder what they could do with it. If Eve and Mallet and Alice and myself and Walter and Valerie and a host of other operatives couldn’t dissuade it . . .

Once you get an outbreak of AI, it tends to amplify in the original host, much like a virulent hemorrhagic virus. Weakly functional AI rapidly optimizes itself for speed, then hunts for a loophole in the first-order laws of algorithmics—like the one the late Professor Durant had fingered. Then it tries to bootstrap itself up to higher orders of intelligence and spread, burning through the networks in a bid for more power and more storage and more redundancy. You get an unscheduled consciousness excursion: an intelligent meltdown. And it’s nearly impossible to stop.

Penultimately—days to weeks after it escapes—it fills every artificial computing device on the planet. Shortly thereafter it learns how to infect the natural ones as well. Game over: you lose. There will be human bodies walking around, but they won’t be human any more. And once it figures out how to directly manipulate the physical universe, there won’t even be memories left behind. Just a noosphere, expanding at close to the speed of light, eating everything in its path—and one universe just isn’t enough.

.... If you believe in reincarnation, the idea of creating a machine that can trap a soul stabs a dagger right at the heart of your religion. Buddhist worlds that develop high technology, Zoroastrian worlds: these world-lines tend to survive. Judaeo-Christian-Islamic ones generally don’t.

Okay Charlie, you chilled me out here. Now, I'm off for a beer. Yeah, that will do it.

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Re: There is no such thing as Artificial Intellgence, and there never will be.

There is no such thing as self evolving and sentience when applied to computer programs because they are and will always be incapable of becoming more than they are programmed to be.

Trying to argue by starting off with the desired conclusion?

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> What happens when Humans no longer have to do anything?

I think we had that argument when someone introduced machine looms down in Manchester.

Personally, I can't wait. There are books to read, places to go where no man has gone before... and there is always art.

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Re: Anyone remember Kevin the Cyborg?

> Interesting

You mean you disapprove. Come clear, tell us why. Don't hide behind veiled remarks.

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Re: "I have written a few AI scripts for computer games..."

AIGameDev seems to be your kind of place.

It's pretty amazing that the techniques used are still at tree level. No complex stuff, let's get those hierarchical state transition graphs going...

On a related tack, the advance in AI becomes clear via this:

In 1985: Machine Learning by Jaime G. Carbonell, Tom M. Mitchell Ryszard S. Michalski from Elsevier Science. Lots of $$$, used in academic settings.

In 2012: Machine Learning in Action by Peter Harrington from Manning Publications. A few bucks in spite of rampant inflation, used by hands-on programmers.

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Very nice. One should never forget that intelligence is tuned to a specific task. Animal (incl. human) intelligence is tuned to navigation in a messy, unpredictable world that often resembles a large version of "The Cube".

General machine intelligence will be tuned to specific tasks. There will be as many packages as there are version of amazon EC2 and it will be as similar to human intelligence as an airplane is to a bird.

Consciousness is overrated and generally a hindrance. Who wants to have a debugger running at all times? Even in humans it kicks in only if there are frightening, arduous or unfamiliar tasks to accomplish, or if one reads a particular convoluted explanation in a book trying to explain how wonderfully magic / supernatural consciousness is.

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Re: There is no such thing as Artificial Intellgence, and there never will be.

> It's easy to mimic intelligence enough to pass a turing test

Oh f*ck hell. Where is that program you are talking about?

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Re: Unless you believe in magic,

> the fact that natural intelligence exists

That point is still unproven.

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> computer logic can only (at this point, at least) be programmed.

This is either a tautology (in the sense of 'all programs are man-made') or short-sighted (in the sense of 'the development team is able to control all outcomes of the final product') or perplexingly ignorant (in the sense of 'the economy is ultimately managed by the minister of economics'). Basically, Weizenbaum stuff from the 60's.

Complex behaviour is not being "programmed". Even Deep Blue wasn't "programmed". It had a search strategy, a large database, and various heuristics (hint: why are they called heuristics? because one is unsure about what they do) the interplay of which lead to interesting outcomes.

> In regards to the German question, sorry, but that makes Google directly responsibly for monitoring the output and, if the output is not acceptable, [Google] must fix it as it cannot fix itself.

Not acceptable to whom? Anything will always not be acceptable to someone. Solution? Deal with it. Or pay someone to check results pertaining to your name who then gets into contact with google to "fix" things. Hey wait, there is also Wikipedia.... and the water cooler rumor mill. And Bild Zeitung! Oh noes what do.

> You have just admitted that humans are directly, and only, responsible for what a computer does

This is because "humans" are the only intentional agent that is currently recognized. The above statement is definitely a tautology. The statement "Robots may move in unpredictable ways. Stay out of range." should be a strong hint that today we are no longer in the territory of errors in salary computation.

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MIT takes battery-powered robot cheetah for a gallop

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Re: Outrunning a human?

Cats, Mandrake. Robot cats!

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> Did it explode or something?

No, it demanded to place a call to the Local Robot Union Representative to complain about nonexistent wages and being exploited like an animal. Robots are People, too!

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NASA signs off on sampling mission to Earth-threatening asteroid

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You just need to taunt it a second time and it will go away.

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Re: Let's hope LM get the accelerometer the right way up this time.

> That such a small part destroyed the integrity of that missions findings has always bothered me.

Well, it shouldn't.

UPDATE THE REQUIREMENTS LIST FOR NEXT TIME:

1.1) The accelerometer assembly SHALL be marked with an arrow point to the TOP of the accelerometer.

1.2) The accelerometer acceptance bay SHALL be marked with an an arrow indicating the location of the accelerometer TOP in a complete assembly.

1.3) The assembly specialist MUST check before launch that the installed accelerometer marking TOP and the accelerometer acceptance bay marking TOP do correspond.

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Google's Native Code browser tech goes cross-platform

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Re: Where's the advantage?

> too many applications require use of OS-specific APIs, so even if the delivery method is cross-platform...

Well, this may change pretty fast in a way not well-becoming to the "too many applications".

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Nvidia opens pre-orders for handheld Shield console three days early

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Re: Just a shame that....

Who are "Sony" and "Nintendo"?

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Who is the mystery sixth member of LulzSec?

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Re: Just goes to show

> The best hackers are the one with outstanding coding skills

The circle of confusion between programming, hacking, cracking and wrecking is now COMPLETE.

Journos: "My work here is done!"

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NASA and Google team up to buy into quantumish computing

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Re: I *knew* this would happen, like last week!

"Thousands of times, and I always survived!"

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Re: hmm

IF they can be made to work, they will at least speed up computation of problems in quantum mechanics. That's already a BIG BIG win. They will MOST LIKLEY NOT crack NP complete (and definitely not NP hard) problems in polynomial time though.

Further intro at:

http://www.scottaaronson.com/democritus/lec14.html

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Lofty goals

"Quantum Artificial Intelligence Lab" sounds as interesting as S.H.A.D.O.

It will be interesting to see their results, hopefully soon. IMAO, the claims about opening up NP-complete problems are out there with claims of antigravity and cold fusion, and the paper on the experimental eval (ACM 978-1-4503-2053-5) was not entirely clear about anything.

I recommend:

IT WORKS: Quantum Computation by Adiabatic Evolution

NO IT DOESN'T: Adiabatic quantum optimization fails for random instances of NP-complete problems

YES IT DOES: Adiabatic Quantum Algorithms for the NP-Complete Maximum-Weight Independent Set, Exact Cover and 3SAT Problems

...but one would also like to know how D-Wave's machine maps to this approach exactly?

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Apple chief Cook: You - senators. Get in here and redo this tax law

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Robbing you hurts me more than it hurts you. Trust me.

> arguably immoral tax reduction schemes

I bet some people would actually LIKE to be offered the occasion to have coffee with Elisabeth Warren.

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IT bloke publishes comprehensive maps of CALL CENTRE menu HELL

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Re: Seven years?

Something like Selenium for Phone Robot Hell....?

I can only be called PLUTONIUM!

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Honey, I BLEW UP the International SPACE STATION - in full 3D

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Russian dashcams in space -- the movie!

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Amazon slashes DynamoDB cost to counter Google Datastore

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Re: Scary

China!

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NASA: Our ALIEN HUNTING star-scan 'scope is KNACKERED

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Re: So

> In the long run, we are all dead.

Get off my lawn with your Keynes quotations!

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Life on Mars means subsisting on grim diet of turd-garden spinach

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I'm sure we Monsatan can engineer a few crops growing in naturally moist Martian soils!

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Senators: You - Cook. Apple guy. Get in here and bring your tax books

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Re: Next stop for the War on <your political agenda here>

From the Halls of Montezuma,

To the shores of Tripoli;

We fight for cronys' battles

Pretend we are all freedom-y;

First get paid in paper dollars

Printed by the Bernanke:

Then inflation kills our pensions

Which we accept quite meekily.

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"No, don't sit down. Where's all our damn money?"

In your swimming pools, gentlemen. If not stashed away in your fridges.

Any further questions?

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Dark blue side of the Force used to quell Star Wars nerd clash

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Re: Bounty Hunter Count

During the brawl, Greedo got hit first!

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Re: These are not the nerds...

Nevertheless they can feel the anger rising within themselves!

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Oracle updates Java versioning to allow more security fixes

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Re: why not

Because programs parsing the version number don't expect that. No, I don't know who writes version number readers that crap out on the slightest mishap. Or rather, I know all too well, they are a few offices down the hall.

Sample:

Oracle: Java version "1.7.0_21"

OpenJDK: java version "1.7.0_19"

Apparently, the ".0" currently goes unused...

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Re: I'm confused

Because stability in Enterprise Settings where the first one to move dies a horrible death at the hands of HR

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"Traditionally, Limited Update patches – the kind that add new features and non-security fixes – have been assigned even numbers. CPUs, which only contain fixes for security vulnerabilities, are assigned even numbers."

Should probably read "are assigned odd numbers", right?

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Euro PC shipments plummet into bottomless pit of DOOOOM

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France now thoroughly PIIGSified

...drops off the market entirely!

"Austerity" being blamed, film at 11.

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Google takes on AWS, Azure virty servers with micro billing and fat disks

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Chriswell predicts!

"Sooner or later, it has been predicated, banks will build particle accelerators to fire neutrino through the Earth"

1) You "predict" something or you "predicate upon" some established fact.

2) No it hasn't. That was some whimsical suggestion. And pumping out enough high-energy neutrinos to reliably collect a high-frequency signal after several 1000 km of rock will mean that the people working at the targeted office building will have a pretty high incidence of cancer. Yes, neutrinos are unhealthy for you if you can detect them.

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Feds stamp on cash pipeline to Mt Gox, Bitcoin's Wall Street

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Re: Betting against the MAN

These debts are held by cronies and well-connected ones (imagine Cheney or Prince hearing "your companies won't actually be paid, sorreeee?"), so no.

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Admiral Pointdexter would have loved to have had this service.

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Oi, Google! Stop LIBELLING us Germans, fix your autocomplete

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Re: Ruling seems reasonable

"but someone shouldn't immediately be branded as a scientoligists or a fraud just because google's algorithms say so"

But that is not what is happening.

A friendly lady pops up and gives you a completely automated run-down based on a statistical survey. The fact that "$yourname suxx cocks" then happens to be in the result has no bearing on reality and cannot be construed as an "affirmation of fact" or a "branding". One might as well ban hidden markov models or the phonebook.

This can be usefully used, just google:

Was Elliott Abrams Hitler’s Senior Advisor?

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EU wants the Swiss and pals to cough up IT giants' hidden bank info

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"European austerity measures" ... a little perspective.

Do we have "austerity" measures, regularly bemoaned by Klown Krugman? No we don't.

At http://mises.org/journals/fm/February2013.pdf, we read.

Austerity has been hotly debated as either an elixir or a poison for tough economic times. But what is austerity? Real austerity means that the government and its employees have less money at their disposal. For the economists at the International Monetary Fund, “austerity” may mean spending cuts, but it also means increasing taxes on the beleaguered public in order to, at all costs, repay the government’s corrupt creditors. Keynesian economists reject all forms of austerity. They promote the “borrow and spend” approach that is supposedly scientific and is gentle on the people: paycheck insurance for the unemployed, bailouts for failing businesses, and stimulus packages for everyone else. Austrian School economists reject both the Keynesian stimulus approach and the IMF-style high-tax, pro-bankster “Austerian” approach. Although “Austrians” are often lumped in with “Austerians,” Austrian School economists support real austerity. This involves cutting government budgets, salaries, employee benefits, retirement benefits, and taxes. It also involves selling government assets and even repudiating government debt.

Despite all the hoopla in countries like Greece, there is no real austerity except in the countries of eastern Europe. For example, Latvia is Europe’s most austere country and also has its fastest growing economy. Estonia implemented an austerity policy that depended largely on cuts in government salaries. There simply is no austerity in most of western Europe or the U.S. As Professor Philipp Bagus explains, “the problem of Europe (and the United States) is not too much but too little austerity—or its complete absence.” Most of Europe and the U.S. continue to have massive budget deficits and growing national debts relative to GDP. The Keynesians’ magical multipliers have once again failed to materialize. Given that most of these economies have not achieved growth from stimulus, they should give the idea of true austerity a fresh look.

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Who is Samsung trying to kid? There will NEVER be a 5G network

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Re: A Coward's View...

Yes, it's still only parabolic.

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D-Wave wins the quantum-classical horse race, kind of

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Note also that

The tests were run on various problems that fall into the NP-Hard category

sounds fishy this context - Quantum computers are NOT better than classical computers at solving (i.e. finding the best solution to) those kind of problems. However, optimization algorithms (and specially designed analog computers) may more quickly find a approximate solution, though not the optimal one. A good chunk of the "neural network" computers do that kind of optimization. Of course, there are problems in which even finding an approximately good solution is unfeasible.

Maybe one should write

something neural-network-like is happening in the D-Wave

but that's too 80s.

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No we can't because this isn't a quantum computer, it's an analog computer doing annealing problems which does not help in factorization at all.

something quantum-like is happening in the D-Wave

Sounds like a sprinkle of magic dust from the sales department. If "something quantum-like" is happening, what is it? What is the Hamiltonian? Where are the undead cats?

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New Lumia 925: This, loyalists, is the BIG ONE you've waited for

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Re: @Shagbag beyond a joke

http://wmpoweruser.com/canalys-estimates-windows-phone-grew-27-between-q4-2012-and-q1-2013/

Grows 27% from where?

Android 149.8 (Q4 '12) --grows to---> 163.5 (Q1 '13) million units shipped

WiPho 5.1 (Q4 '12) --grows to---> 6.5 (Q1 '13) million units shipped

A drop in the bucket.

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Top guns doomed as US Navy demos first carrier-launched drone

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Amurrica Strong!!

"Such drones could be used in a future conflict with China, for example."

Hahaha!

China has nukes. On ICBMs.

This means NO CONFLICT because we, the West, just don't pick fights with someone who can fight back. Washington Elites and Think Tankers will just have to wank over maps of the Pacific Rim in mournful silence.

Additionally, imagine the uproar when Wal-Mart runs out of goodies. Millions of Jabba-the-Huts on mall scooters will descend on Washington, demanding their fix. Nope. Not gonna happen.

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