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> What happens when Humans no longer have to do anything?
I think we had that argument when someone introduced machine looms down in Manchester.
Personally, I can't wait. There are books to read, places to go where no man has gone before... and there is always art.
Re: Anyone remember Kevin the Cyborg?
You mean you disapprove. Come clear, tell us why. Don't hide behind veiled remarks.
Re: "I have written a few AI scripts for computer games..."
AIGameDev seems to be your kind of place.
It's pretty amazing that the techniques used are still at tree level. No complex stuff, let's get those hierarchical state transition graphs going...
On a related tack, the advance in AI becomes clear via this:
In 1985: Machine Learning by Jaime G. Carbonell, Tom M. Mitchell Ryszard S. Michalski from Elsevier Science. Lots of $$$, used in academic settings.
In 2012: Machine Learning in Action by Peter Harrington from Manning Publications. A few bucks in spite of rampant inflation, used by hands-on programmers.
Very nice. One should never forget that intelligence is tuned to a specific task. Animal (incl. human) intelligence is tuned to navigation in a messy, unpredictable world that often resembles a large version of "The Cube".
General machine intelligence will be tuned to specific tasks. There will be as many packages as there are version of amazon EC2 and it will be as similar to human intelligence as an airplane is to a bird.
Consciousness is overrated and generally a hindrance. Who wants to have a debugger running at all times? Even in humans it kicks in only if there are frightening, arduous or unfamiliar tasks to accomplish, or if one reads a particular convoluted explanation in a book trying to explain how wonderfully magic / supernatural consciousness is.
Re: Where's the advantage?
> too many applications require use of OS-specific APIs, so even if the delivery method is cross-platform...
Well, this may change pretty fast in a way not well-becoming to the "too many applications".
Re: Just a shame that....
Who are "Sony" and "Nintendo"?
Re: There is no such thing as Artificial Intellgence, and there never will be.
> It's easy to mimic intelligence enough to pass a turing test
Oh f*ck hell. Where is that program you are talking about?
Re: Unless you believe in magic,
> the fact that natural intelligence exists
That point is still unproven.
> computer logic can only (at this point, at least) be programmed.
This is either a tautology (in the sense of 'all programs are man-made') or short-sighted (in the sense of 'the development team is able to control all outcomes of the final product') or perplexingly ignorant (in the sense of 'the economy is ultimately managed by the minister of economics'). Basically, Weizenbaum stuff from the 60's.
Complex behaviour is not being "programmed". Even Deep Blue wasn't "programmed". It had a search strategy, a large database, and various heuristics (hint: why are they called heuristics? because one is unsure about what they do) the interplay of which lead to interesting outcomes.
> In regards to the German question, sorry, but that makes Google directly responsibly for monitoring the output and, if the output is not acceptable, [Google] must fix it as it cannot fix itself.
Not acceptable to whom? Anything will always not be acceptable to someone. Solution? Deal with it. Or pay someone to check results pertaining to your name who then gets into contact with google to "fix" things. Hey wait, there is also Wikipedia.... and the water cooler rumor mill. And Bild Zeitung! Oh noes what do.
> You have just admitted that humans are directly, and only, responsible for what a computer does
This is because "humans" are the only intentional agent that is currently recognized. The above statement is definitely a tautology. The statement "Robots may move in unpredictable ways. Stay out of range." should be a strong hint that today we are no longer in the territory of errors in salary computation.
Re: Just goes to show
> The best hackers are the one with outstanding coding skills
The circle of confusion between programming, hacking, cracking and wrecking is now COMPLETE.
Journos: "My work here is done!"
Re: I *knew* this would happen, like last week!
"Thousands of times, and I always survived!"
Robbing you hurts me more than it hurts you. Trust me.
> arguably immoral tax reduction schemes
I bet some people would actually LIKE to be offered the occasion to have coffee with Elisabeth Warren.
Re: Seven years?
Something like Selenium for Phone Robot Hell....?
I can only be called PLUTONIUM!
IF they can be made to work, they will at least speed up computation of problems in quantum mechanics. That's already a BIG BIG win. They will MOST LIKLEY NOT crack NP complete (and definitely not NP hard) problems in polynomial time though.
Further intro at:
Russian dashcams in space -- the movie!
> In the long run, we are all dead.
Get off my lawn with your Keynes quotations!
"Quantum Artificial Intelligence Lab" sounds as interesting as S.H.A.D.O.
It will be interesting to see their results, hopefully soon. IMAO, the claims about opening up NP-complete problems are out there with claims of antigravity and cold fusion, and the paper on the experimental eval (ACM 978-1-4503-2053-5) was not entirely clear about anything.
...but one would also like to know how D-Wave's machine maps to this approach exactly?
I'm sure we Monsatan can engineer a few crops growing in naturally moist Martian soils!
Re: Next stop for the War on <your political agenda here>
From the Halls of Montezuma,
To the shores of Tripoli;
We fight for cronys' battles
Pretend we are all freedom-y;
First get paid in paper dollars
Printed by the Bernanke:
Then inflation kills our pensions
Which we accept quite meekily.
"No, don't sit down. Where's all our damn money?"
In your swimming pools, gentlemen. If not stashed away in your fridges.
Any further questions?
Re: Bounty Hunter Count
During the brawl, Greedo got hit first!
Re: These are not the nerds...
Nevertheless they can feel the anger rising within themselves!
Re: why not
Because programs parsing the version number don't expect that. No, I don't know who writes version number readers that crap out on the slightest mishap. Or rather, I know all too well, they are a few offices down the hall.
Oracle: Java version "1.7.0_21"
OpenJDK: java version "1.7.0_19"
Apparently, the ".0" currently goes unused...
France now thoroughly PIIGSified
...drops off the market entirely!
"Austerity" being blamed, film at 11.
Re: I'm confused
Because stability in Enterprise Settings where the first one to move dies a horrible death at the hands of HR
"Traditionally, Limited Update patches – the kind that add new features and non-security fixes – have been assigned even numbers. CPUs, which only contain fixes for security vulnerabilities, are assigned even numbers."
Should probably read "are assigned odd numbers", right?
"Sooner or later, it has been predicated, banks will build particle accelerators to fire neutrino through the Earth"
1) You "predict" something or you "predicate upon" some established fact.
2) No it hasn't. That was some whimsical suggestion. And pumping out enough high-energy neutrinos to reliably collect a high-frequency signal after several 1000 km of rock will mean that the people working at the targeted office building will have a pretty high incidence of cancer. Yes, neutrinos are unhealthy for you if you can detect them.
Re: Betting against the MAN
These debts are held by cronies and well-connected ones (imagine Cheney or Prince hearing "your companies won't actually be paid, sorreeee?"), so no.
Admiral Pointdexter would have loved to have had this service.
Re: Ruling seems reasonable
"but someone shouldn't immediately be branded as a scientoligists or a fraud just because google's algorithms say so"
But that is not what is happening.
A friendly lady pops up and gives you a completely automated run-down based on a statistical survey. The fact that "$yourname suxx cocks" then happens to be in the result has no bearing on reality and cannot be construed as an "affirmation of fact" or a "branding". One might as well ban hidden markov models or the phonebook.
This can be usefully used, just google:
Was Elliott Abrams Hitler’s Senior Advisor?
"European austerity measures" ... a little perspective.
Do we have "austerity" measures, regularly bemoaned by Klown Krugman? No we don't.
At http://mises.org/journals/fm/February2013.pdf, we read.
Austerity has been hotly debated as either an elixir or a poison for tough economic times. But what is austerity? Real austerity means that the government and its employees have less money at their disposal. For the economists at the International Monetary Fund, “austerity” may mean spending cuts, but it also means increasing taxes on the beleaguered public in order to, at all costs, repay the government’s corrupt creditors. Keynesian economists reject all forms of austerity. They promote the “borrow and spend” approach that is supposedly scientific and is gentle on the people: paycheck insurance for the unemployed, bailouts for failing businesses, and stimulus packages for everyone else. Austrian School economists reject both the Keynesian stimulus approach and the IMF-style high-tax, pro-bankster “Austerian” approach. Although “Austrians” are often lumped in with “Austerians,” Austrian School economists support real austerity. This involves cutting government budgets, salaries, employee benefits, retirement benefits, and taxes. It also involves selling government assets and even repudiating government debt.
Despite all the hoopla in countries like Greece, there is no real austerity except in the countries of eastern Europe. For example, Latvia is Europe’s most austere country and also has its fastest growing economy. Estonia implemented an austerity policy that depended largely on cuts in government salaries. There simply is no austerity in most of western Europe or the U.S. As Professor Philipp Bagus explains, “the problem of Europe (and the United States) is not too much but too little austerity—or its complete absence.” Most of Europe and the U.S. continue to have massive budget deficits and growing national debts relative to GDP. The Keynesians’ magical multipliers have once again failed to materialize. Given that most of these economies have not achieved growth from stimulus, they should give the idea of true austerity a fresh look.
Re: A Coward's View...
Yes, it's still only parabolic.
Note also that
The tests were run on various problems that fall into the NP-Hard category
sounds fishy this context - Quantum computers are NOT better than classical computers at solving (i.e. finding the best solution to) those kind of problems. However, optimization algorithms (and specially designed analog computers) may more quickly find a approximate solution, though not the optimal one. A good chunk of the "neural network" computers do that kind of optimization. Of course, there are problems in which even finding an approximately good solution is unfeasible.
Maybe one should write
something neural-network-like is happening in the D-Wave
but that's too 80s.
No we can't because this isn't a quantum computer, it's an analog computer doing annealing problems which does not help in factorization at all.
something quantum-like is happening in the D-Wave
Sounds like a sprinkle of magic dust from the sales department. If "something quantum-like" is happening, what is it? What is the Hamiltonian? Where are the undead cats?
Re: @Shagbag beyond a joke
Grows 27% from where?
Android 149.8 (Q4 '12) --grows to---> 163.5 (Q1 '13) million units shipped
WiPho 5.1 (Q4 '12) --grows to---> 6.5 (Q1 '13) million units shipped
A drop in the bucket.
"Such drones could be used in a future conflict with China, for example."
China has nukes. On ICBMs.
This means NO CONFLICT because we, the West, just don't pick fights with someone who can fight back. Washington Elites and Think Tankers will just have to wank over maps of the Pacific Rim in mournful silence.
Additionally, imagine the uproar when Wal-Mart runs out of goodies. Millions of Jabba-the-Huts on mall scooters will descend on Washington, demanding their fix. Nope. Not gonna happen.
Re: Tax evasion
But they will vote themselves a pay increase to offset inflation and their meticulous work.
Then start a war or two or continue to aggravate the greenfagging bubble.
Investigative journos may be useful idiots.
"that the European Union has labeled as a cog in Iran’s nuclear-development program"
We are off to a good start here. Sounds like stuff straight out of the White House's Mouth.
Reaction mass downvotes?
I guess some people here really have no idea about how you obtain momentum changes in SPAAACE.
Fracking trekkies, go back to your tricorders.
I haven't been hearing of Hollande and his merry band of taxators for so long that I thought the massive inward pull of rampant taxing, unrestrained spending (describes by lefties as 'austerity'), rampant regulation and sheer interdiction to do any decent work in France had collapsed it into an economic black hole from whence no Euro or Political Peep could ever escape again.
Not yet, then? Pity.
Easy credit leads to bad business decisions leads to liquidations when the economy contracts.
Austrian business Theory in Action!
Made worse by continuing inflationary central bank policies, artificially low interest rates and the hope of reinflating the bubble economy.
Re: Still pugging something
> that nobody really wants
Your marketing credentials are impeccable.
> it is way too expensive
Compared to what?
> injects problems where I didn't have any with native machines
not sure whether you are talking about your home PC or your iSeries 795. Probably the former.
> there is no GPU to plug in anywhere, it comes on a USB stick
What are you saying?
Re: They're both right.
> XML. An arcane, in-efficient, bloated pile of crap
It's a fracking markup language described in a few pages. Come down your sickly horse, please and stop with the sophomoric name calling.
> I'll write you the best access control middle layer there ever was,
Right. I would show the door real quick and tell you to learn something first.
> Funny how that works eh? Money in tech that is.
No, AC, you are the cancer.
Re: The real story ...
Michele Bachmann will declare it to be GOD'S PUNISHMENT for SANIC BIRD LOVE!
You have to be done when India drops below the horizon again...
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