Feeds

* Posts by Charlie Clark

2257 posts • joined 16 Apr 2007

Apple eyes ISPs to sell 'iTV'

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

@Jonathanb, you really haven't got a clue, have you? Have you met Marcus or Giselle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjJ45g7Ayiw&feature=related

0
0

Adobe adds Flash sandboxing to Firefox

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Same plugin, same exploit

You need the upcoming "out-of-process" plugin support in Opera 12 to avoid crashes and exploits through plugins.

As for everyone smarmily crowing over Adobe's security record: exploits are inevitable in any runtime. Adobe's products are a common target because they are very widely used and much of the other "low-hanging fruit" eg. Internet Explorer's ActiveX mechanism had been reasonably shored up.

4
1

Tame the gas monster with sensors, suckers and a spiffy new fan

Charlie Clark
Silver badge
Thumb Up

Wow

Shouldn't you be worried about being lynched by Andrew or Lewis? Nice to see El Reg covering the other side of the energy debate.

FWIW I couldn't really make sense of the charts - missing axis and legends had a lot to do with that. And I suspect I'm not the only one who cares less about the CO2 saved as the financial comparison. I'm all for renewables and energy efficiency but would prefer to see more progress on reforestation and stopping deforestation.

3
0

US tweet deportation: Chilling behind-the-scenes photos

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Pretty vacant

Another pretty unambiguous collection of two words. Maybe you can have a t-shirt made with them printed on it?

You need to read more headlines and look up the term "crash blossoms" while you're at it.

All terrorists must, by law, wear clothing that clearly identifies them as such and behave in the prescribed manner.

0
0
Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Sort of

For a while US courts took pains to interpret "citizen" literally so there was a reasonable trade in medical experiments non-citizens, ie. immigrants. But some courts did develop cold feet / grow a pair depending on your perspective and so the authorities rediscovered the joys of extra-territoriality and extraordinary rendition to keep those pesky human (note not citizen's) rights people at bay and thus was born Guantanamo and lots of containers at foreign aiports...

@ Lester: fan-fucking-tastic collection of piciures. Who says investigative journalism is dead?

2
0

ARM rains on x86 as smartphones outship PCs

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Not so sure

Whilst I'm a huge fan of ARM I am still amazed by Intel. ARM has juicy revenues but look at how much money Intel makes in absolute terms. And that is with the added costs and risks of actual fabs. ARM's architecture may well win long term but I think Intel may well end up as one of the winners.

0
0

Mother charged with selling fake Facebook stock

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Who says it's disapproved of? If that were the case it wouldn't be allowed, at least over the counter. As for risky: all trades on the stockmarket are risky almost by definition? Still I agree with you in tenor that "naked shorting" is unnecessary.

1
0

Zuckerberg: Facebook rakes in cash... to make world a better place

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

I don't think it was ever on my Galaxy 8.9.

0
0
Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Okay, I'll bite

Big Brother has shown us two things:

1) you will always find dumb fucks prepared to make fools of themselves in public

2) the marketing for advertising around such a format is limited.

Caveat IPO-investor because you are the dump part of the carefully orchestrated pump-and-dump scheme that is Facebook. While Facebook is making a profit a price to earnings ratio of 100:1 is fucking insane (see the Schiller average) and costs are only likely to rise from here-on in. Buying at that price can only disappoint as further share price growth is beyond the realm of fairy tales and dividends must be paid from revenues. Those are the two main reasons for investing in a company.

Amazon is good historical comparison: anyone who bought stock on the IPO is still waiting to recover their money.

0
0

Death of IE6 still greatly exaggerated, says browser hit squad

Charlie Clark
Silver badge
FAIL

Say that again

What, apart perhaps from XmlHttpRequest, did IE 6 give us? As a browser it was shit from the word go, though hardly anyone noticed as Mozilla went down the dark and blind alley of XUL.

Back then it was generally considered among the developers I worked with to be bad practice to do IE 6 only work. The legacy crap (SAP, Siebel, etc.) that we're still dealing with should never have been written as websites. It was done because of the hype but was broken by design because it was IE and MS Windows specific. No point in wasting browser runtime in that context.

ActiveX and thus IE was a requirement in countries like Korea which were not allowed 128-bit encryption until the export restrictions were relaxed. This explains the relatively high percentage of IE in some countries: retooling is essential but expensive.

Where IE, warts and all, did play a big part was when developers wanted to include browser functionality in their Windows deskop program. Perfectly legitimate decision assuming you can swap the component out for cross-platform development or just to keep in step with the MFC or later .NET CLR releases. Adobe did this with the help system.

0
0

Muscle chip strength leaves ARM shouldering meaty profit

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Tiny profits, great margins

Given that El Reg recently described Samsung's $4 Bio. profits as a drop in the in ocean compared with Apples, we must regard ARM's revenue and profits as risible in comparison to Apple and Intel. Except those margins. Fuck me: 50 %! I bet shareholders are very pleased.

0
0

Why I'd pay Apple more to give iPad factory workers a break

Charlie Clark
Silver badge
FAIL

Source

The Economist quotes $275 as the total production cost of an I-pad, 2 % of which goes on Chinese labour:

http://www.economist.com/node/21543174

Doesn't strike me as to wild to think of I-phone costing around a quarter of this to make.

Matt Asay talking out of his arse by saying that better standards would push the price up. What is saying is is that he is open to some emotional black mail. Foxconn can double everyone's salaries and it would add at most $10 to the price. Call it a round $100 and everyone's happy. Well, except the Foxconn employees who still cannot bring their kids to the city or take part in the local healthcare scheme. But that must be good as we all know universal healthcare is the spawn of the devil. I'll put it in terms that even the reddest of redneck might understand: Foxconn employees have to shop at the company store.

Much as I detest economists who think that economics has the solution to all problems, I detest even further half-baked business plans by people who have not the slightest grasp of the subject.

5
1

Ten... smart TVs

Charlie Clark
Silver badge
Thumb Down

Wot, no Philips?

From the screens I've seen the Philips are generally among the best. They've got net access and apps so it's strange to see them missing from this lot. Mind you the judging criteria seem a bit confused. For me, image quality must come first then ergonomics and usability - what are the remotes like? - then you can start arguing over things like add-ons and power consumption.

1
0

Galaxy drives up profits for Samsung

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Poor journalism

The article says Samsung cleared $3.06 billion in the same period - so slightly less than 25 % of Apple's admittedly fantastic results but still impressive. But above it also says $4.7 billion in the fourth quarter. I guess that refers to Samsung as a whole and the smaller sum to Samsung Electronics.

In any case it looks like Samsung is making enough money not to worry about being bought out of the market; a favourite trick used by listed companies to rid themselves of pesky competition. Presumably this has been the cue for the legal attacks.

1
0

Spring launch for Apple OLED TV with Siri, says retail mole

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Selling the crown jewels

Can't see either LG or Samsung licensing OLED to Apple as it will give them a serious competitive in the same field. I guess there is room for someone else in, maybe China or Taiwan, to make the screens but these plants are humongously expensive to build and this takes time. Both Samsung and LG have invested heavily in the technology and, therefore, own a lot of the patents even if the process technology for scale might be coming from someone else (Dupont).

FWIW Samsung's gone from zero to hero in electronics in just over ten years. It's currently charging similar prices for hardware to Apple and, as the figures show, selling its devices nearly as well.

Two articles of possible interest: the history of Samsung and where it's going (good background reading for the author).

http://www.economist.com/node/21530976

How little Samsung makes per I-phone and, therefore, a damn good reason not to sell Apple components*:

http://www.economist.com/node/21543174

* Patents on screen manufacture and design gives plenty of reasons to *license* technology to competitors.

0
0

Telly makers aim to put OLED in your lounge in 2012

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

My Super-AMOLED Samsung Wave hasn't deteriorated much in the nearly two years I've had it. It's generally held that blue compound degrades faster than red and green. Not heard much about that. What has changed is the introduction of DuPont's inkjet like production process which increases potential screen sizes enormously whilst reducing production costs as currently you have to do everything under high temperature in a vacuum. If they really have solved that part of the problem then you can expect production costs to undercut LCD systems fairly quickly. You might even see some kind of rental model introduced with the screens collected for recycling every three to four years. Well, one can hope!

0
0

Reding's 'right to be forgotten' bill polarises Euro biz world

Charlie Clark
Silver badge
Thumb Down

Falls at second hurdle

Your layer 2 - "keeping personal data in case the authorities need it" is also "preventive snooping" and as such not in line with *existing* human rights legislation in many countries, though most notably in Germany where the Constitutional Court found the requirement for ISPs to store IP addresses for 6 months as unconstitutional noting in passing that snooping is always possible providing a warrant is obtained from a court where a judge agrees that there are reasonable grounds for suspicion.

0
0
Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Same old same old

As soon as someone says "in the present business climate we cannot afford to <insert requirement here>" you know they are talking shit. If these "businesses" treated personal data properly from the word go they wouldn't have any problems.

Harmonising regulations across the EU will over time save businesses engaged in cross-border activities, and for websites that means pretty much everyone, currently has to check the rules for each country. The spooks won't like it because they currently rely on poor levels of data protection for there more or less nefarious actions "defending us" (usually from ourselves but, hey, let's not be picky.

Google won't even try to wriggle out of this. Largely due to the already extant strict German data protection legislation they already play along quite nicely - they have been coerced to offer IP anonymisation within the tracking javascript of Google Analytics. Having had a few wake up calls they are one of the companies that probably has little to fear from this legislation. Facebook is another matter entirely.

0
1

Paramount opens Cloud-based movie shop

Charlie Clark
Silver badge
Headmaster

Paypal support

I don't see that as good news for anyone outside the US because bank giro transfers are so fecking difficult in the "third world". Credit card support means that the payment service is already open to international users. Whether they also impose geographical restrictions due to the usual differential pricing and licensing arrangements is another matter.

Digital rental is going to take off but for it really to succeed it must offer universal catalogue and playback. Failing to do either not only invites regulation but is also going to alienate potential customers. In the long term this will probably mean dropping DRM altogether.

0
0

Ultrabooks will devour notebook biz by 2016 - report

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

The elephant in the room

Is possibly the Asus Transformer. What if it grows a 12" brother? That or something like it would be an Ipad-Pro or MacPad or something with premium components and design at premium price.

Sounds like Juniper trailing for the next report whenever Apple release an ARM-based device with keyboard.

1
0

Google+ funny numbers mask falling growth

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

I'd upvote you on this if it wasn't for the typos, spelling and grammar mistakes and rambling. Oh, and for calling Mr Asay a journalist: pundit, maybe; journalist, no way. But that's okay as his strapline tells us.

4
1
Charlie Clark
Silver badge
FAIL

@Matt what is Twitter's business model again? Fill the interwebs with shit and get paid to clean it up? Invent "Green"? Or be bought out by the Coalition to Protect Internet Sanity and subsequently shut down?

And, even if Google didn't meet analysts forecasts, would you care to run those numbers by us again: vast increase on cashflow and profits. I bet Larry is inconsolable.

I think that Google + has a fundamentally different and long game approach to things so the usual Silicon Valley metrics of quarterly growth at all costs might not be applicable.

1
2

YouTube tops one hour of video uploads per second

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

More interesting perhaps is also the resolution of the stuff being uploaded: HD (1080p) is becoming the norm. Google must have some seriously good network boffins to cope with that!

1
0

Survey: Android set to beat iOS in battle for coder love

Charlie Clark
Silver badge
FAIL

The point made by the poster was that if you want do to IOS then you must have a Mac. This is not the case for Android, ie. statistics favour Android. That said, previous reports have fingered as IOS as the platform from which to make money because fanbois like you are only too happy to hand it over.

As for support options - in many respects Apple is light years behind. Yes, it's great if you live close to an Apple store but otherwise you're fucked as I found out when I had to replace the fan on my MacBook. Twice. And, yes, I was using the machine for work.

21
8

Top techs preview CES 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017...

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Dearie me

"long-distance (320m) 24Mbps Bluetooth 3.0 streaming video"

It's known as Wi-Fi with Bluetooth functioning as the D-channel to set up and manage the connection as this is missing from the original specification.

0
0

Lenovo to ship first Intel smartphone – in China only

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Comes with ARM emulator

At least according to the Heise report (in German only) http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Intel-praesentiert-Referenz-Smartphone-mit-ARM-Emulation-1407118.html Interesting - it's an acknowledgement by Intel that existing apps won't be recompiled for x86 and a sop to manufacturers that their devices will run the most popular apps from the start. Of course, it also means more transistors draining the battery.
0
0
Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Most "app" code is written for virtual machines so native optimisation, apart from for iOS, is not such an issue. The compilers seem to be doing a good job of cross-compiling for the various ARM flavours when native is required.

I've never been a fan of Javascript but the work done by the various browser makers have turned it into a reasonable basis for cross-platform development which is what we consumers need if we are to benefit from a large choice of devices and software that "works" on all of them. If things continue to develop at their current pace, it wouldn't surprise me to see dedicated Javascript units on the ARM chips which should give the same kind of improvements that you get with hardware OpenGL over the software variant. This might be one of the reasons that Google bought Motorola for as a way to unify their Javascript / NaCl projects.

0
0
Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Not just marketing support

Even if Intel is filling their boots with money to start with how is this going to work long term? Intel's chips are not just hotter than ARM ones they are significantly more expensive, which is where Intel's massive profits come from. If for no other reason than they're, er, cheap as chips, ARM offers a compelling argument against x86 where you have only two vendors.

2
0

Groupon, Deutsche Telekom to cake EU in coupons

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

German data protection legislation will prevent such spamming - explicit consent is required - but will allow them to send SMS to customers inviting to sign up to the service. Though in Germany a tie-in with the Payback system would probably make more sense as Oyster would in the UK. More than enough morons prepared to sign up to such data guzzlers in the hope of some modest discount.

0
0
Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Nothing to see here, move along.

Does anyone still actually use Groupon? I know of one person who, like a good compulsive coupon collector, spends a load more money and time on all the discounts that they don't need.

LBS & deep understanding of a customer's preferences and disposable income is the way forward. Amazon is probably best placed to benefit from this with the Kindle series. Probably initially only on the tat it knows customers will buy from it, but in the future it will dispose of the low-margin warehouse and logistics business and co-operate with retailers - "have a customer who smokes (Marlboro) and drinks (Stella) a lot close to your shop, want to make them an offer?"

0
0

Samsung shows 55in OLED über-TV

Charlie Clark
Silver badge
Thumb Up

Geek porn

Sorry but that screen makes me seriously hard - I think that's why it's 55". OLED for watching films? I don't think my mouth will stop watering!

Samsung - let me give you my money now!

1
0

EU to push through more roaming caps in 2012

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Time for the "nega cent"?

Operators currently have a vested interest in maintaining high roaming charges and this is not just through reciprocity. This can be changed by borrowing a leaf from the energy conversation book and the concept of the "negawatt". The rules for wholesaling should be revised so that networks profit more when they save their customers more.

0
0

Facebook won't deny it is sitting on huge mountain of cash

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Dirty PR tricks

This trailing of unsubstantiatable rumours wouldn't have anything to do with Facebook's rumoured IPO next year would it? I really wish the SEC would learn to count, discover there are more than five hundred investors and enforce disclosure.

1
0

ICO warns: Just six months to comply with EC cookie rules

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

It's a EU-wide law and the European Commission is pretty good at enforcing such law even on "foreign" companies. Easily done when they almost always have EU-based subsidiaries in order to trade. The European courts, whilst not fast, are still faster and toothier than their US counterparts and increasingly uphold Commission findings. And, inasmuch as Google has already agreed to randomise the last octet for Google Analytics, you can seem them starting to fall into line.

0
0
Charlie Clark
Silver badge

You don't get the same detail or accuracy from log analysis that you do from javascript and session-based analysis. For a start session cookies help you separate distinct users using the same proxy. As this can happen anonymously - randomise the last octet of the address - there is little reason for it not to be used. One thing I'd like to see would be a "cookie manifest" for websites listing the name, purpose and duration of cookies as the BBC advocates (http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/futuremedia/technical/cookies.shtml )

Of course, this is exactly advertisers don't want. But the law has been passed and the Commission will ensure it is enforced. It also sets a precedent for the next battle which will be the myriad bits of data requested and stored on mobile devices.

0
1

Microsoft gives up on proprietary 2D barcode, accepts NFC

Charlie Clark
Silver badge
WTF?

WTF

Did they hire Frank Bough's jumper designer for this?

4
0

'NHS bosses must master Twitter, Facebook to halt staff antics'

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

"There are potentially so many positive benefits. It's an area we're looking at, and we'll be publishing something in the new year on the subject."

What are those benefits are who are they for? Surely general guidance on what can be said to whom is media independent? Which manager worth their salt has the time necessary as implied by Mr Jaeger to "familiarise" themselves with the media and attend relevant courses? "Social notworking" springs to mind.

2
0

Learning about chip design from Silicon Roundabout

Charlie Clark
Silver badge
WTF?

Normally I would say thanks for that but having seen it I'm not so sure.

"Sales people selling to customers" - can't argue with insight like that.

From the clip "One spring morning there was a knock on the door and there was the president of the San Francisco Stock Exchange. And within about half-an-hour we were sitting down discussing my idea..."

Maybe it's true that the chairman of stock exchanges do stroll around London looking for fantastic startups. Though San Francisco's stock exchange isn't of great renown, but why did it take them half-an hour between opening the door and talking business? What happened in the meantime? Rough sex?

0
0
Charlie Clark
Silver badge

If you are going to explain you should probably add that Nathan only has paint in his hair because he is copying the hairstyle of his unfortunate (unfortunate because he is idolised without gain by Nathan and others) idol, Dan Ashcroft, who had an accident with a can of paint and had to leave the hairdresser's early... And, yes, Nathan the buffoon is more successful than Dan.

Mine's the one with the Salmon Latte and a copy of Rape magazine and tramp racing betting slip in the pocket.

0
0
Charlie Clark
Silver badge

15Peter20

Not that clothing really matters but is he auditioning for Dr Who?

11
0

God particle hunt breakthrough expected TODAY

Charlie Clark
Silver badge
Thumb Down

Seriously shit streaming performance

NFT

0
0

British athlete puts self on eBay

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

The Olympic Spirit

What with the games very nearly coming within under the revised budget of £ 952 million, although some neerdowells over at the NAO think it's going to need more contingency funding, it's a pity there wasn't a enough for the athletes. But hang on - what's this about athletes being paid? What we need are more athletes with this kind of entrepreneurial spirit! Maybe the Big Issue could do a special Olympic edition for struggling athletes to sell before and after events?

Any bids from Astra Zeneca or Steroids-R-Us yet?

0
0

IDC: Google needs DEEP tablet price slash to crack Apple

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Bloody anal-ists

Android has had a poor start in tablets. This could initially be put down to hardware / software mismatch (Samsung and Toshiba's first efforts) then hardware delays (Motorola's Xoom, etc.) and incompatibilities - some apps, unfortunately, such as The Economist don't run on Honeycomb yet. So, while the hardware is now there, the developers are playing catch up. Maybe Android 4 will help sort this out as a unified release for phones and pads. Then there are the legal shenanigans designed to hold the competition back just long enough.

In the meantime it seems to me that the other manufacturers really have caught up on features and build quality - essential for this market - with Samsung definitely starting to look like a leader with the S II and the Nexus S - surely the phones to have this season? And the Note is definitely of, er, note.

Assuming Google can start looking after its developers and help the manufacturers to release updates a bit faster then I can see Android gaining pad market share in much the same way it did with the phones. Cheap but "good enough" devices from ZTE and Huawei, incidentally for whose Android phone there is an ad in this week's Economist, together with the Kindle Fire should do the rest. Of course, even if Apple's market share of new devices drops 30 % over the next twelve months they'll still be creaming it in.

0
0

Tablets to outship regular notebooks by 2016

Charlie Clark
Silver badge
Stop

False dichotomy

With things like the Asus Transformer already blurring the distinction between slate and notebook confusion, it's difficult to see that there will be any difference by 2015 with everything being pretty much dual mode and extensible by accessory. With next year's quad-core ARMs getting close to desktop performance and Android "Knickerbocker Glory"* spanning phones, pads and keyboards, Intel and Microsoft are both going to have to come up with something special to stay in the game.

* No idea what code name the next version of Android will have, if it has one at all.

0
0

Facebook now has 1,000 times the referrals of Google+

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Point of the report?

Given that FB is preparing for an IPO (before the SEC forces it to go public with its accounts) I suspect we're likely to see more and more of these kind of reports in the run up. Whether FB's PR department is involved or not - the media has a vested interest in hyping the IPO and, therefore, reporting every fucking rumour they can find.

Back to the numbers - what are the "referrals"? Are they real referrals or the tracking "like" shit? I increasingly think that Google isn't after the FB volume, preferring to see what "discerning" users are up to and the self-selection of Circles is very clever if you can see beyond the data warehouse aspect.

0
0

Boffin's bot spots red light jumpers before they kill

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Just let the computer drive

Driving in modern cities is a nightmare waiting to happen. Expectations of getting from A to B are unrealisitic if there is any appreciable traffic density. This induces stress in drivers and increases the chances of accidents, even in those with lots of experience and training. I think there must be sufficient data from warehouse robots by now to be fairly sure that with fairly low max speed limits, they would be better drivers than *most* of us. When it comes to road safety you have to plan for the biggest fucking idiot out there.

1
0

Apple files avatar automation, emotion patents

Charlie Clark
Silver badge
Mushroom

So this is why they are sueing Samsung

As Apple have obviously given up on real technical innovation, opting instead for the low-floating esoteric float of shit, they need to initiate legal proceedings against any company that still has an R&D department worth the name! To paraphrase "Christopher Unborn": "Fanbois avatarise! You may not live better but you will live cooler!"

4
1

The End of Free: Web 2.0 will squeeze punters rotten

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Unicorn farmers

Andrew, I am sure that if someone did come up with a way to farm unicorns it would be a fantastic investment. It would be a bit like butchering pigs: they could sell everything except the squeak. Except with unicorns there isn't even a squeak! ;-)

1
0

Microsoft's uphill battle to push Win8 tabs into punters' paws

Charlie Clark
Silver badge

Good news for you?

Just taken delivery of my Wacom Bamboo Stylus - "desigined for the Ipad" but works just fine on my Galaxy 8.9.

0
0

Developers get new IE10 for Windows 8 preview

Charlie Clark
Silver badge
FAIL

Still shit

IE 10 preview was useful when you could install it on a running system. Having to install a whole VM *just* to play with the browser is such a hurdle that I think that many like me just won't bother. And, lo, IE is becoming increasingly irrelevant: there's already so many things that not even IE 9 does well that people are moving to other browsers and from where they are unlikely to move back. Lots of corporate are Windows 7 + IE 8 + A.N.Other browser. Stats from a large site I know of are: IE 9 is about 10 % worldwide but has hardly grown since the spring; IE 8 is still king of the heap at around 25 % worldwide but down around 10 % since the spring, most of whom seem to have gone to Chrome.

Initially MS indicated a release of IE 10 in the autumn of this year but since they decided to roll it into Windows 8 the fail whale has definitely arrived. The hardware acceleration in IE 10 is impressive only until you realise it is currently of very little relevance outside demo-space: sites are not going to go back to "works best in IE", because it would seriously fuck off influential tablet strokers, so hardware accelerated games (and ads) will have to wait for broad browser support. By the time IE 10 is released, no doubt with the stupid rider "works best with Windows 8" - why else would they be tying the development of the two together? - it will be available and good enough for Opera, Firefox and Chrome and maybe even Safari (I think it already is for the I-toys).

In the meantime, and independent of their version numbering schemes, Opera, Firefox and Chrome continue to trailblaze with interesting new extensions for HTML, CSS (paged media, yay!) and JS and are available in the real world for developers to work with. This is the only way to make sure that future standards are any use. Pity that MS still hasn't understood this.

0
1