86 posts • joined 12 May 2008
Re: ...............pation! (Anticip......)
@Pet and Steve
Mmmmm. My bad (Thinks - I'll have to re-listen to the radio series).
I was actually thinking of Dr. Frank 'n Furter (I can see you shiver with anticip...... pation!).
Hence the reference to the coat, etc.
Now where is that hide under the rock icon?
...............pation! (Re: Anticip......)
Why exactly is that word unacceptable??? Love the music and the movie - seen it too many times to count.
But now the music is stuck in my head!
..."a whopping 80 per cent of crashes ... involved male drivers"
A more useful measurement would be to express that as a percentage of the total number of drivers. As it stands, the figure is fairly meaningless, as we have no context.
(Not saying that male drivers are the epitome of safe and careful drivers - but I have also witnessed female drivers doing equally stupid and dangerous things as men do).
Re: @Brian - I move printers
"Once Windows has installed a drivers for a particular USB device, it won't install the driver again..." - Oh yes, it does (at least, Win7 does). Regularly. On various machines. For every USB port you plug the device into, until you have used all available USB ports. Only then does it accept that the keyboard or mouse or printer or USB memory stick you plugged in is a known device and not something new.
And each time Windows goes off on its own mission, hunting for drivers; first locally and then (I presume) on available resources on your network and then it wanders off to the Internet, where it spends an awfully long time (browsing PC porn? Ooooh! look at all those beautiful Linux distro's!) before returning to tell you that it is installing drivers.
---> What I'd like to do to Win7. Honestly, it's like a four-year old: self! I want to do it self! Even though it more often than not need copious amounts of assistance to complete what should have been a simple task.
Re: Try googling for "Battelle litigation fraud"
I did - if I were an American, I would be extremely worried about the influence they seem to have (also see Don Jefe's posts later on), as most links I found ended up being suspended (HostPapa) seemingly due to billing problems.
@Pierce - Adobe Lightroom replacements?
Try Darktable (http://www.darktable.org/). I use it on Mageia 3 (it is in the repository, so no hassles installing) and it works a treat.
FWIW, I use Digikam to organise, preview and tag my photos, Darktable to convert raw to tiff and Gimp for final tweaking.
The size is misleading - what they are seeing is the dust cloud surrounding Krikkit.
I wonder if they still sing those wonderful songs? At only 80 ly away, we should be able to pick up their radio transmissions one of these days.
Re: Lets see....... (@Big_Ted)
Or maybe even this:
Dogs - Pink Floyd
You gotta be crazy, you gotta have a real need.
You gotta sleep on your toes, and when you're on the street,
You gotta be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes closed.
And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight,
You gotta strike when the moment is right without thinking.
And after a while, you can work on points for style.
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake,
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile.
You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.
You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder.
You know it's going to get harder, and harder, and harder as you
And in the end you'll pack up and fly down south,
Hide your head in the sand,
Just another sad old man,
All alone and dying of cancer.
And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown.
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone.
And it's too late to lose the weight you used to need to throw
So have a good drown, as you go down, all alone,
Dragged down by the stone.
I gotta admit that I'm a little bit confused.
Sometimes it seems to me as if I'm just being used.
Gotta stay awake, gotta try and shake off this creeping malaise.
If I don't stand my own ground, how can I find my way out of this
Deaf, dumb, and blind, you just keep on pretending
That everyone's expendable and no-one has a real friend.
And it seems to you the thing to do would be to isolate the winner
And everything's done under the sun,
And you believe at heart, everyone's a killer.
Love Supertramp, by the way.
---> For the big man, obviously.
Re: Useful Service Pack
Correction of your correction:
Mandriva and Mageia are RPM based and use urpmi.
Re: Isn't Blue Sky of Death a trademark ?
Accountants abhor uncertainty. I discussed a problem with an accountant some years ago, where they wrote off a rather substantial amount in the current financial year (about to end), rather than claw back most (if not all) of the loss the next year. When I told him that it did not make sense, he told me that accountants only work with certainties - ifs and maybes does not cut it. So, where there was some leeway in the books, they were happy to take a loss now, rather than having to suffer the uncertainty of a win the next year.
Possible/probable lost/delayed sales and customers cannot be quantified and are therefore invisible to accountants and deemed not a "real" cost.
When the loss does show up in the next year, it will be the salespeople who will be blamed for not making budget and duly punished for this lapse in duty.
Erm... wrong anarchist; it was actually Pierre-Joseph Proudhon who coined the term.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_is_theft! amongst many others.
They certainly knew each other, but Proudhon is cited as being an influence on Bakunin, not the other way round.
<---- Can't we have a "This is just a gentle correction" icon?
Re: FB logon for SECURITY reasons ?
...FB login to access other sites?
I have had a run-in with Media24 some time ago, as the only means of posting or reading comments on their articles is to log on with your FB account. I was told it is a security feature, as an e-mail account is no proof of identity. They never answered me (apart from stating that it was policy) when I pointed out that I could use exactly the same "insecure" (GMail) address to create an FB account and then post comments.
I received a number of these messages this morning before the issue was resolved some time later:
<--- For all those websites crippled by Facebook.
Man! I could have done that!. I had a user who was forever complaining about her number ending on 666. Every time something untoward happened to her (like contracting 'flu, stubbing her toe, getting a parking ticket, etc.) I got a call to have her number changed, as she was being punished/attracted bad luck because of that devillish number.
I managed to avoid changing her number, as we had used all our allotted numbers and changing it would incur all sorts of unmerited expenses (changing business cards and other printed matter, changing fax numbers, et cetera).
Swopping her number for mine would have had all sorts of positive consequences, looking back. (Can I go back into the past?).
...850 quadrillion-dollar monstrosity.
Didn't El Reg standardise on long numbers?
But even so - it is an obscene amount of money to even consider to spend on a totally unnecessary venture (to allay fears of "terrorist" attacks?). 53 000 times the American GDP for 2012?? Boy, talk about smoking something. Did anyone proposing this even sit down and think where the money must come from?
A MUCH better investment (in world peace and American ease of mind and goodwill towards the US of A) would be to just spend 1/22 of the USA's annual defence budget to eradicate world hunger (http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jun2008/2008-06-03-04.asp). And if we can get the world's obese (mostly secptics in any case) to stop excess consumption, they could actually save, rather than spend money on eradicating hunger.
Yet they still wonder why the USA's image in the rest of the world is a PR disaster (to put it lightly).
<---- What should be done to those wastrels.
Re: MS Surface pro FAIL
In all fairness - it took me a while to figure out what Eadon meant: it seems as if he intended to write "Microsoft('s) copy (of) Apple (led to a) fail (for Microsoft)".
<---- Paris, because, well, defending Eadon makes me feel dirty and a little confused (this despite my being firlmy in the penquin camp). I may as well defend RICHTO or BDG555 (now fortunately no longer with us, although I still believe they are one and the same).
But I won't evangelise nor slag people off for their choices - my choice is personal and probably idealistic, but there you are.
"You don't have to carry the weight around...".
Allan, I think you did not read Charles' post to the end. You want the light to be portable within your dwelling - either to light up another room, or to provide more concentrated light in a particular area (to study, for instance). You are not going to empty the bag and refill it every time you move it about.
Here in South Africa (and elsewhere on the continent) numerous people die or get horribly burned through candles or kerosene lamps falling over (for whatever reason) on a daily basis. Added to that numerous shacks get destroyed, increasing the misery.
This light has the potential to save numerous lives and reduce the number of shack fires and should therefore be applauded and supported. As far as I am concerned just one life saved makes this a worthwhile project.
Some recent examples:
Re: Windows Phone antivirus - specially for you!
RICHTO - why the anonymous post? It certainly does not give you more credibility.
Re: As a non-security person
"...fail x times and you're locked out' method".
On the face of it a sensible approach, but it does not work as well in practice as one would hope or assume.
A previous employer had a strict password policy (8-16 characters, mix of at least one letter, number and special character, monthly changes, last 10 passwords prohibited, automatic log-out after ten minutes of no keyboard activity and only three unsuccesful logon attempts).
You will not believe the endless problems that that caused - I am sure at least one third of calls logged concerned passwords.
First and foremost was forgotten passwords (especially bad on a Monday following a password change the previous Thursday or Friday - I would be swamped by calls the moment I walked in the door (and I was usually 30 minutes early); also almost no-one could remember a password upon returning from leave or an absence of more than a week), followed by locked-out users.
Lock-outs presented an interesting problem: at one stage we suddenly had a spate of locked out accounts every weekday morning (all machines had to be left on overnight, so that security updates, virus program updates and policy changes could be run after hours). I initially suspected a problem with the scripts or the DC or maybe the AD server, but everything checked out fine. Also, it was just one building complex in my branch that had the problem.
Then one night I decided to stay after hours (I discovered from the logs that lock-outs took place between 17:30 and 18:30 every night) to see if I could catch the culprit, as I had begun to suspect that it was deliberately done, since lock-outs ran roughly sequentially in seating order, suggesting someone moving from machine to machine.
Lo and behold! In came a bevy of cleaning ladies who whipped out damp cloths and proceeded to vigourously clean each desk, keyboard and monitor! (I should mention here that usernames were automatically populated, as there were a number of complaints about having to enter both a username and a password - surely the computer can do a little bit of work as well?). So obviously, the third time the "Enter" key was hit, the account got locked out. The sudden emergence of this problem was because the business had changed their cleaning service provider and keyboard cleaning was top of their list of things to do.
Password strength was also a problem; despite the restrictions enforced, users kept using easily guessed passwords (Qwert1@3, or password1!, etc).
I eventually resorted to suggest that they use easily remembered mnemonics (and choose your own, thank you, do not use my example), like Ihhtcpem!-12, which would stand for "I hate having to change passwords every month! - xx", where xx would be the month of the year. That way they only needed to change the last character or two and still have a reasonably secure password that is easily remembered.
But yeah, despite all that a large number of users used to write theirs down and hide it under the desk blotter or the keyboard, or write it on the calendar (obviously on the date of the forced change, as everyone waited until the last day (we used to have a ten day warning period)).
Password change requests I particularly hated was for mid-month changes, when some girl broke up with her boyfriend and did not want to be reminded of him every time she needed to log on. I used to refuse to do those as punishment for ignoring my sage advice about good passwords, until we got a central Help Desk and SLA's.
<---- Paris, obviously, for the disconsolate girl being forced to enter an ex-boyfriend's name.
Are you by any chance employed by the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation?
The satisfied sigh of automatic doors comes to mind....
Mine's the one with the electronic thumb in the pocket.
Nigel, I fully concur with you. As far as I am concerned, multifocal lenses are the spawn of the devil. I was forever off-balance and could not see properly anywhere. I had to continually move my head this way and that, trying to focus (I must have looked like a 90-year old with a trembling head). Working on a computer was impossible (and 70% of time that was where I was stuck).
@Scott: Lasik surgery was the best thing I ever did as far as my eyes are concerned (I was hopelessly myopic: ~ -5). Slight discomfort for the first day or two after surgery and no flares/haloes around lights at night (which was the part that most concerned me). The best part was not having to feel around for my glasses when getting out of bed.
I did try soft contact lenses many years ago, but was told before the time that my eyes would be too sensitive (fair skin, red(dish) hair and green eyes). He was right - about an hour in it felt as if someone had put 60 grit sandpaper in my eyes.
As with you, my close-up vision is no more, so I need reading glasses.
Here's hoping that this tech will find its way into eyes sooner rather than later.
Special Projects Altitude Correcting Electronic Device (for) Optimal laUnch Triggering
Tbh, the U had (has) me stumped there.
<---- The required result
Re: Firefox auto update...
I know I have been lax in closing some tabs - just did a quick count: 98 tabs open in this window, plus seven groups, coming to a total of 176 tabs open.
800 MB RAM used, so I think your issue lies elsewhere. This is FF ESR 10.0.10 on Linux (Mageia 2) fwiw.
...running at 4.77 kHz
MHz! MHz, not kHz.
Our office bought an IBM XT in late 1985, to help with premium calculations (I worked for an insurance broker at the time).
At that stage all calculations were done by hand (using a tape calculator), then handwritten on A3 sheets that were taped together before being sent to the typing pool to be typed on an IBM DisplayWriter, using massive 8" floppy disks that could store 256 KB.
It would take two of us about 14 days to do three years' motor claims statistics for one client (just double-checking the figures was a major undertaking: one person would read the numbers whilst the other would add it up on the calculator - then we would switch places and repeat. More often than not the totals were different, forcing us to repeat the exercise).
Once the typing pool had finished typing it all up, we had to verify everything again, plus correct typing mistakes. Once we were happy that everything tallied up, it would be presented it to the account handler for approval.
Once he was happy, it would go to the branch manager (who would need to present to the client), who almost invariably asked for alternative calculations, using different excess amounts, et cetera, kicking off another two weeks of calculations.
Since I had done Computer Science at university, I was asked to spec a system to automate the process as far as possible, saving time and improving accuracy and, most important of all, to enable quick recalculations.
The system we eventualy bought comprised an IBM XT (running at 4.77 kHz), with an EGA Graphics card, capable of displaying 16 colours simultaneously, a massive 10 MB hard disk drive (it came standard with a 5 MB drive, but I reckoned we would fill it within the next three years or so, whilst a 10 MB drive would last forever), plus a 256 KB 5.5" floppy drive. We also upgraded RAM from 256 KB to 512 KB, soon afterwards going to 640 KB.
Software was DOS 1.0, Harvard Graphics, Lotus-123 and MultiMate, whilst output was handled by a dot-matrix printer and a four-colour plotter.
The whole lot was about 10% more expensive than a new BMW 518i (so you can imagine management's reaction when one of my colleagues suggested that everyone in our department should have one of those on our desks!). To put it into perspective, my gross annual salary was about one third of the cost.
After spending a couple of weeks to set up the spreadsheets, hiring a temp to capture all the data and then creating the necessary formulas to do the calculations, the big day finally arrived when I had to demonstrate to management how the system worked (and justify the expense. Whilst the project was approved, they still needed to see it for themselves).
It was amazing: half the office was jammed into our office to watch the show. I gave a short spiel of how it all worked, then changed a couple of key values (like rates and excesses) and pressed F9 to calculate (you could not leave autocalc on, otherwise it would take an age between entries, just to recalculate the whole thing).
In less than 5 minutes we had an answer! Two hours later I had three different scenarios printed out, plus some graphs (We used to use a dedicated plotter, printing on 2.5" wide paper, to print graphs. This was also a painfully slow process, as the machine did not have any RAM, so you had to enter the co-ordinates and colours for each graph every time. The graphs for 10 booklets, containing only 12 graphs per booklet, was a week's work, as each graph had to be cut out and glued into place as well) - a whole month's worth of work for four people!
Needless to say, when the first 286 came out, we got one and shortly afterwards a couple of 386 screamers arrived.
Paris, as she looks as if she is also wiping a tear from the corner of her eye.
Could be, could be, know what I mean (nudge, nudge).
As a non-native Englsh speaker I would never have guessed, though, so thanks for elucidating.
I tend to agree with Mattyod lower down: I guess she wanted to click on the "answer" button, but hit the "Tweet this..." link instead (DT's, or maybe just a bit unsteady after a wild night, who knows?).
<--- DT cure, obviously.
Well, FWIW, as per TheOatmeal (the clue is in the tweet): http://theoatmeal.com/djtaf/j/88
But, tbh, the answer is completely over my head. Maybe you need to be a septic to understand it (or find it funny)?
<--- Paris, because she's friends with Lindsay.
You mean you know Mitt Romney?
Mitt Romney is a Pink Floyd fan?
Well, what do you know?!
A happy side-effect of the dual-crystal scales is that it scatters the acoustic frequencies that dolphins use to locate prey, rendering them invisible to sonar as well (aka stealth-scales).
The world-wide collapse in sardine populations does not represent a collapse at all - they have just evolved to hide better from us, since fishing boats also use sonar to locate schools of sardines.
It also protects the silvery fish against lasers, causing a massive collapse in the population of frikken sharks with frikken lasers (when last did you see one of those, huh? Huh!?).
Maybe the shiny bits seen on Mars are actually bits of silvery fish scales that had broken off. The total lack of silvery fish reported by Curiosity is evidence of the efficacy of these scales in hiding them in plain sight (scaly bastards, those Martian silvery fish).
Re: penalty for non-compliance
Here in sunny South Africa we converted to the metric system in the early sixties (took about ten years to do the job, mind).
This story reminds me of the joke about the farmer who bitterly complained about the negative effect that the new system had on him (just to explain - the conversion rate for money was two Rands to the Pound):
His complaint was that it had become impossible to farm anymore, as
"My farm is now sixty percent further from town and my land was halved. I now use almost five times as much fuel and fuel consumption has taken a terrible dip, whilst my lorries and trailers can only carry half as much as before. The cost of everything doubled whilst my yield was halved. My labourers now demand twice as much as before and then they tell me it will make things a lot easier!"
Would IcedTea also be vulnerable?
Welcome back BDG555 (not).
But why are you trying to hide?
Re: privileges escalation?
"Shamoon works its way into a computer that is directly connected to the Internet, and then from there begins to spread to other computers connected to the same network".
So no user interaction, therefore.
Isn't that what MS's Trusted Computing (Trustworthy Computing, NGSCB, TPM, Bitlocker, ???) was supposed to prevent?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trustworthy_Computing (The advertorial part of this article would be quite hilarious if it were not so sad).
I understand that it can delete files in userspace, but in Windows directories and the MBR? How does it get onto the machine in the first place - details are absent (at least, I could not find any with a quick google; should I have tried Bing?).
Or am I just completely out of it?
Up to now I could not see any tablet in my future.
But I think I can see me buying one if one can use a stylus to edit photos, especially if it can be combined with touch sensitivity. For instance, say I want to dodge or burn certain areas on a photo, pressing harder can increase the amount, whilst light brushes would have a light effect. The same goes for any other effects, like curves or colour correction.
If such a machine can combine Digikam, Gimp and Darktable, plus a raw converter, it would be an ideal device to take along on photographic excursions, rather than schlepping a laptop along just in order to save my photos and edit later at home.
I have no idea, however, if the hardware would be up to the task and would appreciate it if anyone can enlighten me. A quick google also failed to turn up any ports of the above to Android.
Or could one ditch Android and install linux, for instance?
Re: The irony is
Sorry, my previous post was meant for RICHTO, not the OP.
<--- On my part.
Re: The irony is
BIG DUMB GUY 555, is that you?
You are as bad a Microsoft shill as BDG was a troll.
Re: Quote of the Week
I had users who thought that print jobs worked that way; if the document does not appear at the printer, print another, repeat until either a) the print server falls over, or b) you are presented with 40 copies of your 100 page document the next morning.
I cannot count the hours I had to spend in the server room, trying to clear the print queue on an old 486 machine running NT 4, which had become almost completely unresponsive (and a reboot had absolutely no effect whatsoever, apart from causing the problem to last that much longer).
I used to ask them if they really thought that sending more print jobs down the queue would add weight and force the print job out the printer's business end, like a plunger in a blocked toilet, but never received any coherent answer, apart from a sheepish grin.
The worst offender was a colour wax printer (can't remember the make), that generated enormous print jobs for each copy of any requested job, rather than storing the job in memory and then printing x number of copies. So the queue could easily contain forty or more Powerpoint print jobs exceeding 100 MB each, on a machine sporting a massive 2GB drive.
I think that that was what caused me to hate Windows (OK, maybe Exchange 5 played its part as well, with the MTA regularly hanging and hundreds of messages in the queue and almost as many frantic calls from users, complaining about Outlook hanging. And then requesting that I send an e-mail to everyone, advising them of the problem!).
We splatted into the ground but luckily bounced
More likely "We were forced down, but luckily the ground broke our fall".
<--- To denote the general drection they were heading before being untimely interrupted by encountering solid ground.
Re: Question for Firefox users
Interesting: I downloaded Mageia 2 when it was released and upgraded last week-end.
It seems that Mageia 2 comes with ESR as standard (I never checked previously, so M1 could also have had it as standard).
As far as Mageia 2 is concerned - extremely happy.
Re: Multi-tasking includes proof-reading?
In my previous life I had extensive experience in writing complex documents. A major part of the exercise involved reading it numerous times afterwards, testing for different errors.
We usually roughly followed the following regime:
Read for spelling mistakes
Read for grammar
Read for logic
Check bullets and numbering for consistency
Check headings for correctness
Give it a final scan and then hand it over to a colleague for more of the same.
You finally end up with a perfect, flawless document that you are proud to sign off, only to discover that there usually are numerous errors that most embarrassingly jump out at you when you re-read the thing (that is, if the client had not pointed them out at you already).
This used to greatly worry me, until I worked out that we read what should be there, not what is there.
The best way to avoid, no reduce those errors, are to give the thing to someone with no or little experience or knowledge of the topic - they tend to read what is there.
<== Refers to those infernal errors, of course.
Re: Uh, moderator ?
Had the same problem earlier, but dropped the matter. After reading your post upon coming back to the article, I reported the second post - hopefully it will be picked up then.
Jude? - you still there?
Sarah, Sarah, wherefore art though?
<==== For broken Report Abuse link, obviously.
On the log-in screen I read its name as sod (as per the English usage - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sod_word).
Sums it up for me.
(Withdrew my first post, as I am not privileged enough to be allowed html code, and it looked horrible).
Apprentice boffin Katarina
Since Katarina now sports a magnificent beard, I take it that she must be close to graduation (see "Boffinry" here: "http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2012/03/14/lohan_truss_test/").
May I be the first to congratulate Katarina on successfully completing her apprenticeship?
Re: Nailed It!
Part of the problem also arose when they (specifically the recording industry, later followed by Hollywood) decided that they were sellers of media (vinyl, CD, tape, etc.), rather than distributors of content.
At least, that is how I interpreted their actions in going after customers who taped records in order to be able to listen to their music elsewhere.
My take has always been that, when I buy an LP (or CD), I actually buy the right (or a licence, if you will) to listen to the music on the album, as often as I like where I like and when I like. So, if I wanted to listen to ELP while driving, for instance, I taped it, since there were no viable record players for cars at the time. And this philosophy still applies.
Big media's take on it, however, has seemingly always (ever since the technology to do so cheaply and easily became available) been that you buy the media, so, if you want to listen to an album you bought whilst driving or jogging, you had to go out and buy a tape, as taping an album was considered theft.
In other words, their attitude was that the important bit is the media that the content came on, and not the content itself.
The other part of the problem arose when music turned into a money-generating commodity (as opposed to entertainment and enjoyment, for instance) and they started to dictate to artists what they should produce and how often, heavily promoting and pushing it in order to drive sales, rather than producing quality merchandise that will sell on the basis of its own merit (I know, I am generalising terribly here, but otherwise the post will become way too long).
It would be interesting to see what the difference in quality of music is between that produced by Big Media and Indie producers (if any). By quality I mean musical and lyrical merit, as well as longevity (in other words, would I still want to listen to that music next year or in twenty years, rather than throw it away after a week or so when the Next Big Hit/Artist comes along).
Subjectively it seems to me as if more of the good stuff lately comes from Indie companies, but then, my taste mostly goes against the popular stuff in any case.
<--------- I... am suitably chastised.
Red face, coat, exit through the closest door.
Hmmmm. To be considered a true boffin, surely Katarina should sport a beard to go with the obligatory pipe?
Kudos to her for trying to clench said pipe in a suitably nonchalant way (but tbh she needs a bit of practice!).
Can't wait for LOHAN's departure into the great blue yonder.
<--- For the pipe, obviously.
That is all.
Ooohhh, Matt, Matt, you silly boy!
"..I do intend to retire there".
Calling Americans Septics (various posts - @13:06 here) was a bit shortsighted then. Given the proven lack of a sense of humour in the average American immigration official, as well as their (also proven) web-trawling abilities, I think your ambition to retire there (in Florida?) is now toast.
Now you know and I know (as do probably the majority of the commenters here) it is merely rhyming slang, meant as a joke, but the above story demonstrates that such jokes are not appreciated at all.
- NASA boffin: RIDDLE of odd BULGE FOUND on MOON is SOLVED
- Pic 7 AMAZING experiments set for Mars Rover 2020 – including oxygen generation
- Microsoft's Euro cloud darkens: US FEDS can dig into foreign servers
- Plug and PREY: Hackers reprogram USB drives to silently infect PCs
- Boffins spot weirder quantum capers as neutrons take the high road, spin takes the low