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Three floats Jolla in Hong Kong: Says Sailfish is '3rd option'

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Re: Good luck to 'em but...

Mind you, once they sort that out, the easily replaceable battery and microSD slot do sort out a couple of the biggest gripes I have with the last true Nokia smartphone.

Beware -- the battery is replaceable, it's also unobtainable.

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Kamikaze Rosetta probe to ram comet it's chased for billions of miles

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Re: "and later we will have to try and determine where on the surface we can have a touchdown"

Another NASA?

Another ESA, surely.

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Climate change alarmism is a religious belief – it's official

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Re: When are you even going to see?

Splendid.

Niow explain why the CO2 we know we are adding to the atmosphere has no effect, and explain why there is a trend in methane release that matches the trend in temperature.

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So why the hell didn't quantitative easing produce HUGE inflation?

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Re: No inflation?

Consumer prices doubled? You are insane

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Re: Pratchett

Not joining the euro?

(well I think that was a mistake, but I bet most of you lot think it wasn't )

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The 'echo chamber' effect misleading people on climate change

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Re: Anyway

When the actual boffins release their data, and/or code then I might believe them.

That you are unable to use google is your problem, not climate scientists.

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Re: but..

Large volcanic eruptions have a short term cooling effect on climate, true.

Volcanic action emits a bit less CO2 than Turkey, true.

But so what? There is no trend in volcanic activity, so it has no effect on climate trends, it's just noise.

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Re: but..

Ignore the volcanoes?

What on earth are you blathering on about?

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DARPA's made a SELF-STEERING 50-cal bullet – with video proof

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World loses John Nash, the 'Beautiful Mind'

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John Nash, Ladia Diana, when will it end.

Wear your bloody seatbelts you pillocks.

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Grab your pitchforks: Ubuntu to switch to systemd on Monday

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Re: oh well

The trouble I have with systemd, is that finding and installing a distribution without it is becoming more and more difficult.

Uh, it's pretty easy. It's called Debian.

systemd is the default init process for Debian Jessie. It is not the only init process. If you don't want use systemd you can use sysvinit, upstart or maybe even openrc.

But then, I knew it was coming, which is why I'm sending money to devuan.

Beware -- you can't send money to Devuan, they have no "official" existance. You can send money to Dyne.org, but some people consider then scammers.

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Secondly Poettering and co. seem to have taken a liking to the Windows registry and are hell bent on imposing that way of working. i.e. the binary logs and so on.

Do you know the difference between your arse and your elbow?

If so, why don't you seem to be able to understand the difference between a log file and a configuration file.

systemd does not have a binary registry. All its configuration files are simple text.

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Re: Clean install or upgrade

I would be interested to hear from those that have tried a distribution version upgrade in .deb land
The only effect I noticed is that laptop suspend started working better.

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it'll make booting a little faster because it uses an optimized and centralized binary configuration in lieu of the old init scripts and runlevels
Purest nonsense. The systemd configuration files are all plain text.

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Re: More research needed

"Debian uses it"

At present only in testing. Anyone who is using the current Debian is still using SysV.

Not actually true.

Systemd (and even upstart) have been available since at least Debian Wheezy (stable). It's just the default that changes in Jessie. (You can run Jessie with sysvinit or upstart if you want).

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'Fry-OS 8' iPhone BLEW UP MY PANTS wails roasted Johnson

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It's French

Defenestrate comes from the same language that brings you the verb revolveriser - to shoot someone with a revolver.

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Trolls prevail because good men do nothing: boffins

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No, it's a crap el ref headline

The report described in the article doesn't seem to say that victims do nothing, it says bystanders do nothing.

Kitty Genovese could tell you that.

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Cable guy, Games of Thrones chap team up to make Reg 'best sci-fi film never made' reject

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A lot of the science was interesting

The great thermodynamics fail?

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Sweden orders TWO PETAFLOP supercomputer

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Fluid dynamics, eh?

So Sweden wants an H bomb.

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Tor de farce: NSA fails to decrypt anonymised network

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Re: really is a good meme candidate

Have you never seen their buildings -- in both cases the notable feature is the huge parking lots.

Not many bus riders there I guess.

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Blind justice: Google lawsuit silences elected state prosecutor

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Re: Current google motto: All your attentions is belonging to US

Google censoring you?

How, where?

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YEAR of the PENGUIN: A Linux mobile in 2015?

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Re: Will it .. could it..

I'm looking forward to a phone that can run as an X server with an attached monitor & keyboard.

You can do that with an n900.

The monitor output is composite TV, so you actually get lower resolution than on the built in screen :-)

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'Turn to nuclear power to save planetary ecology from renewable BLIGHT'

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Re: There is no such thing as "renewable" energy.

We don't live in a closed system you nit-picking fool.

No, of course there is no such thing as renewable energy -- the sun will run out of fuel one day.

But we won't be around to see that, so who gives a fuck?

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Re: Nuclear expensive? Are you joking?

Of those 3 two were scheduled to be taken out of service in 2015 and one was sabotaged.

Belgium possibly even more fucked up in its long term power planning than the UK. Maybe governments are sometimes useful?

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Re: How convenient...

Its because for PWRs Areva is the only game in town.
Really? APR1000 doesn't exist?

It's true that the EPR is the only new reactor type-approved for the UK, but that's just because Areva decided to do the work and spend the money.

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Brit mobile firms in FOURPLAY TUSSLE – how very French of them

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Re: Free facts

Free did try selling people Wifi/SIP handsets before they bought their 3G/4G license.

Look up Freephonie.

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US Navy's LASER CANNON WARSHIP: USS Ponce sent to Gulf

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Re: Bangers?

No, they strapped the traditional chickens into cardboard tubes.

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Re: Really?

Yup, it seems it can take out a wide variety of strapped down chickens.

Very helpful when you're being attacked by strapped down chickens.

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Linux software nasty slithers out of online watering holes

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Re: What does this really mean?

They do say that a regular user with limited privileges can launch it, and it can intercept traffic and run commands.

That's what they say, however the advisor says:

The module statically links PCAP libraries, and uses this code to get a raw socket, applies a filter on it, and captures packets, checking for a specific condition

And, as Alan Jenkins points out in a comment:

my understanding was you can’t capture packets / open raw sockets without root. Surely that’s big news? Are you going to elaborate on it?

Seems fishy.

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systemd row ends with Debian getting forked

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Re: It's all about CHOICE

Notice also that Gentoo doesn't provide systemd-shim, so if you want to use Gnome 3 you have to use systemd.

So Gentoo has two packages that depend on systemd (Gnome3 and gummiboot). Debian has only one.

Starting to feel that Debian offers more choice than Gentoo, :-)

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Re: Binary logs? Ugh.

There is no way to recover a log corrupted by a crash,

Wrong.

The way to read a corrupted log is to just run journalctl.

There is no way to "fix" a corrupt log because there is no need to do it.

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Re: What is systemd

That may be the case. However some have, including myself. I switched back not for theological reasons but because it made a lot of things work unreliably (and some reliably not work).
Bug reports? What actually didn't work?

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Re: pfft... re: Kids Kids

oh look i got thumbs down because I was too out-spoken about OMAP and ARM..
No, you got a thumbs down because you're a raving loon.

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Re: Kids! Kids!

Do you seriously think Redhat is going to release a system where you access the disk via D-Bus?

What do you think they are, Tandem or something?

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Re: About switching to BSD

The Debian/kBSD port also proves pretty conclusively that systemd is an optional part of Debian.

It is, however, a pretty poor way to learn BSD. You're not using the BSD init system for example :-)

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popcorn

Just you wait, Lennart's next plan is to port systemd to Windows. You'll soon be laughing on the other side of your face.

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Re: Debian is dead

Like many people, if debian starts to use systemd then it's dead to me.

We might as well use windows if stuff like this gets forced on us.

Debian has had systemd available since Wheezy. I guess you think Debian died May 4th, 2013.

systemd will be the default init system for Jessie.

Please ponder the meaning of the word "default". If something is a default that implies there are alternatives.

In fact the alternatives are sysvinit, the default init system for Wheezy, and upstart, the init system used by Ubuntu and RHEL 6.

There is exactly one package (out of around 45000 or so) that depends on systemd, It is called gummiboot. If you want to avoid systemd I would recommend not using gummiboot. Personally I'd never heard of gummiboot before people's continuing whining about packages that depend on systemd drove me to see if I could find what they were.

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Re: Kids! Kids!

Hell hath no fury like a load of old developers scorned.. If a guy with grey hair and a beard say's you shouldnt do that, you'll cause outrage around the world then perhaps people should heed a few perls of wisdom from a senior generation that knows what they're talking about!

Oh for fucks sake.

I am 55 years old. I have grey hair. I started programming on an ICL 1903T in Fortran and Algol68 using punch cards. I've been a Unix sysadmin since 1991. I've fixed bugs in UnixWare(*), gcc, gdb, bash, linux, sysv init scripts...

A bunch of wet behind the ears PFY's claiming to be "veteran unix sysadmins" doesn't impress this BOFH.

(* which involved building a ISA card to force an NMI when I pressed a little button, letting me get a crash dump from a system that would always freeze around 4am, and then disassembling the X.25 drivers to find where there was an off-by-one error in the handling of the user-data field. Amazingly about 20 years later I found almost exactly the same bug in the Linux X.25 drivers.)

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Re: Kids! Kids!

Yay! Another paranoid fantasy with no substance, just what we need.

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So, right in my gentoo use config I have INSTALL_MASK="/usr/lib/systemd/" , its about choosing to have the os the way I want it. Linux has been, and always will be about choice for me.

So in your Debian config just create a file /etc/apt/preferences.d/no-systemd with the contents:

Package: systemd-sysv

Pin: release o=Debian

Pin-Priority: -1

Debian and Gentoo are pretty similar when it comes to systemd -- it's one of the possible init systems. On Debian it's the default, but is seems many people have forgotten that if something is the default then by definition there are alternatives.

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Re: What is systemd

Database startup for one.

Due to the poor way systemd has of knowing whether a service is available.

Ok, this starts to sound like an interesting criticism.

So, how is the problem solved in sysvinit?

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Re: What is systemd

They are all, apart from logging(*) optional features of systemd...

Be that as it may, there is clearly an intention in the systemd project to Hoover up these subsystems. Whey else would they have written the code.

They wrote the code because they think their versions are faster.

There is no way they can prevent you from running standard NTP, DHCP, inetd, cron or whatever.

If some future version of systemd does stop one of the standard services running then you report that as a bug.

This forum has uniformly delivered a pretty good shoeing to systemd.

Mostly by claiming that systemd is doing things that it isn't doing. And when some of us try to correct the FUD we get told "oh, but they will do that in the future".

Me, I don't believe in clairvoyance, time travel or FTL.

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Re: @ John Hughs What is systemd

Well udev was borged into systemd a while back and is no longer maintained separately (unless you count forks like eudev).

The udev source code is in a subdirectory of the systemd tree.

udev does not depend on systemd.

So you're upset because of the location of the source code directory.

Seriously?

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Re: It's all about CHOICE

Using sysvinit and systemd-shim is just a hack that will only work in the short term,

No, it is a choice that will work if the people who feel strongly about it will do the work to make it work.

If Debian decided to use upstart would that work magicly not need to be done?

My point still stands; that providing choice to users a la Gentoo, won't hurt anyone and will only please everyone apart from Poettering and his religious following.

In what sense does Gentoo provide more choice than Debian? They both allow users to run systemd, sysvinit or upstart as the init system(*)

Hell, even Devuan are promising that systemd will be available.

(* I think Gentoo also allows OpenRC)

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Re: It's all about CHOICE

if a.n.application is deliberately coded to need systemd, then the battle is lost

1. That application is gummiboot(*). No, I've never heard of it either.

2. What does that have to do with Debians choice of default boot system?

Say Debian chose upstart as the default boot system. Would that make gummiboot work without systemd? No.

systemd is a choice in Debian. It is even a choice in Devuan! But neither of them will be able to use gummiboot without systemd.

Unless someone patches gummiboot to not depend on systemd.

For this we needed a fork?

(* Yes. The only application in Debian Jessie that depends on systemd with no alternative is gummiboot)

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Re: Why?

I put Slack on it ( http://rpi.fatdog.eu/ ) as I can't stand Debian derived Distro's anyway.
So you are well qualified to comment on Debians default choice of init system.

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Re: What is systemd

If the leaders of Gnome and systemd were community minded we would have ended up with a rational compromise: something that was a proper (and badly needed) replacement for SystemVinit, but didn't have binary logs, a registry, tentacle dependencies and wasn't trying to become a userland kernel.

Where is systemd's registry?

Answer: it doesn't have one.

(Gnome does, but that is nothing to do with systemd, and has existed for years).

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Re: What is systemd

"Why would they do that rather than running Debian Jessie (without systemd)"

Good idea. What's needed is a version of Debian Jessie in which without systemd as the default.

Why do you care whether it's the default?

Seriously, why do you care? It stil works with either of the alternatives.

Here is the list of packages that depend on systemd in current Jessie:

$ apt-cache --no-breaks --no-suggests --no-recommends rdepends systemd

systemd

Reverse Depends:

systemd:i386

libsystemd-dev:i386

systemd-ui

systemd-sysv

systemd-sysv

systemd-dbg

libsystemd-dev

libpam-systemd

sogo

|mate-power-manager

lxsession

live-config-systemd

lighttpd

|libguestfs0

gummiboot

That's an overestimate because apt-cache show doesn't always put the "|" if the package you're looking for is an alternative, for example lighttpd depends on "lsb-base|systemd".

If you check each package (ignoring the systemd ones, of course) you'll find that the only package in Debian Jessie (or Sid) that depends on systemd is gummiboot. Some tentacles, eh?

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Netflix: Sacre vache! French resistance from the vestibuleurs de consommation

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the leading broadband providers

So Numericable isn't a leading broadband provider according to El Reg?

Not that I care, I just watch netflix on the PS3 instead of the Numericable box.

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