226 posts • joined Thursday 8th May 2008 14:53 GMT
" Surely you could use NASA's latest discovery of co2 reflecting heat from the sun as simple proof that increased co2 in the atmosphere is not warming us"
Where does this insane idea come from?
This is the second time I've seen some loony here spouting it.
Oh, look here is WHATSUPWITHTHAT debunking it!
For fucks sake.
" we need to work on gradually (so as not to be too disruptive) reducing our fossil fuel consumption"
That's the British way.
Funny that it always ends up meaning "do nothing".
France replaced almost all of its fossil fuel powered electricty generation with nukes in the 80's and 90's.
Britain did what?
France built Arianespace. Britain launched one - yes one! satelite - prospero.
France built the (nuclear powered) TGV network. Britain is still worrying about whether to build HS2. (Meanwhile the comparably sized LGV SEA is actualy being built as I type).
What has Britain done with all the money it's "saved" by sitting on its arse since the 70's?
Please tell me.
(Fuck I'm glad to be out of that negative do-nothing hell-hole).
Re: What kind of screaming right wing loon are you?
Please don't forget that the taxes they didn't want tp pay were to pay for a war the stupid colonials started - against london's will.
The UK, still gazing at it's own navel.
HS2 (part 1) 230Km 12G GBP ready in 202x after much whinging
LGV Tours-Bordeaux 340Km, 7G EUR ready in 2016
"True, but as I understand it, HS2 terminates at Euston, and HS1 at St Pancras. Unless they're building a stretch to connect the two that freight trains can cut through, then presumably there will need to be an intermodal hub to lift European cargo from HS1, load it onto trucks or conventional trains and then transfer back to HS2."
Huh? Nobody transports freight on high speed rail.
Freight runs on the ordinary lines. Otherwise you have scheduling nightmares.
Re: Send Anode up there with it....
I don't know, why not type "aptitude moo" and see what happens.
Re: Let me guess
"I thought gerrymandering was invented by Al Gore. "
If it were it would be called Goremandering, dummy.
You're right about Massachusets, it's just the date you got wrong.
Governer Elbridge Gerry redistrictred Massachusets in 1812 to benifit the Democratic-Republican party. Don't see how you could blame Al Gore for that.
Re: the same two questions ..
"If the moon and Mars are reflecting more heat, then global warming is due to solar activity. If they are not and temperatures on Earth are indeed rising, then it's probably us. Yet AGW debates always seem to start without this basic information."
Well, I'm not sure we can measure heat reflected from the moon or Mars. How about comparing solar irradiance (which we can measure) and temperatures on earth?
You asked for it, here it is.
I can't see any similarity.
Re: Do volcanoes really chill?
"Surely the chilling effects of volcanoes is temporary as they also churn out vast amounts of carbon dioxide?"
No, volcanoes churn out fairly tiny amounts of carbon dioxide.
(In perspective - volcanoes put out slightly more CO2/year than Argentinia).
Re: Doomsters can go home now
It's hilarious isn't it,
Every time something like this is discussed it starts out with the "reasonable" deniers saying things like "of course nobody doubts the greenhouse effect" then later on a nutter comes along and denies the greenhouse effect.
(Page even says "Very few people disagree with the basic fact that the greenhouse gas CO2 warms the climate," in the article).
"got nothing to do with gases". What a twit.
Re: So what's changed?
"Unless of course their activity increases as they get warmer, and decreases as they cool. "
That would be lovely.
Any evidence that it is the case?
Re: More than likely that all that carbon tax was wrong....
"NASA recently released a report stating that the increased level of CO2 in the atmosphere was responsible for reducing the atmospheric temperature by reflecting more solar power back into space"
No they didn't.
Re: Well done
atmospheric increase = our emissions - taken by carbon cycle + unknown emissions
But we know that
our emssions > atmospheric increase
unknown emissions < taken by carbon cycle.
so all of the increase is due to our emissions.
Re: I love people who deny the basic laws of Physics...
"it has nothing todo with physics,"
You can say that again.
Re: Well done
"2/. If (1/.) in any way man made."
"The answer to 2/. appears to be 'probably, just'"
Simply wrong. All of the atmospheric CO2 increase is man made.
We know this because our emissions are *larger* than the atmospheric CO2 increase.
Re: And yet, and yet ...
How can you elaborate on "why" when so many of us *are* running our businesses on Linux.
Re: And yet, and yet ...
"could I run a business on purely Linux kit?"
Re: Cold winters, Wet summers
"You do know CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas compared to DiHydrogen Monoxide ?"
And do you know that the atmosphere is saturated by H2O ? That the only way of getting more into the atmospehere is to raise the temperature?
UK leads the way...
Re: pointless stupidity
1. Waste heat production is tiny compared to what's coming from the sun.
2. The amount of water vapour we release is minsicule compared to other sources. You may have noticed that much of the planet is covered in water. The water vapour in the atmosphere is in equilibrium (Well, there is *one* way we could increase the water vapour - by warming the atmosphere. Whoops).
Re: pointless stupidity
"There's more to solar flux than an IR component. "
So what. Where's the trend. Without a trend how can you explain the temperature trend. Cycles don't cut it.
Re: pointless stupidity
'The tiny, tiny greenhouse effect of CO2 in relation to others, (most of all plain water vapour being very, very abundant) seems to difficult to grasp..."
No, it's very easy to grasp. However he fact that the atmosphere is saturated with water vapour, but not with CO2 seeems very hard for some people to grasp.
:"Even small amounts of radiation differences we receive of our Sun have vastly greater effects."
And the fact that there is NO TREND in solar flux changes is hard for some people to grasp.
Re: And this is why...
$ strings agirlandadog_vasilenko.jpg | grep opy
Copyright 2007 Apple Inc., all rights reserved.
(Apple appear to claim copyright on the colour profile used).
Re: Nothing new there
You're not supposed to point out that the blessed Barnes Wallis was a war criminal.
"Initial German casualty estimates from the floods when the dams broke were 1,294 killed, which included 749 French, Belgian, Dutch and Ukrainian prisoners of war and labourers"
Re: Is CBC-mode really an "algorithm"?
Of course it's an algorithm. It's just not a crypto algorithm.
Anthing that says "do this, then this..." is an algorithm.
The Wiki page you cite starts "In cryptography, modes of operation is the procedure ..."
The wiki page for Algorithm starts "In mathematics and computer science, an algorithm is a step-by-step procedure..."
Poe? Or is the really someone who gets his science news from pretty graphs in the Sunday mail?
Re: Scientific Terminology
"It's worth pointing out here that Arctic ice cover has dipped somewhat in the last 10 years, though it seems to be recovering now."
Strange. I don't see that:
Re: Ancient news.
But was it cellular?
"C'est avec Radiocom 2000 qu'apparaissent les premières notions de téléphonie cellulaire avec, peu après son lancement en 1986, l'apparition du hand over (capacité de changer de cellule dynamiquement) et de l'attribution de fréquences au sein d'une cellule. Le réseau couvre la quasi-totalité du territoire."
So I'm wrong.
Of course "En 1988, il compte 60 000 abonnés" so I guess I can see how I missed it.
Re: Ancient news.
"As you say, this is a well known thing, my fathers Vodafone analogue breeze block carphone would regularly lock on to France on a clear day back in the distant past."
But France never had an analogue cellphone network.
You must have some serious hate for FreeBSD users if you want that clown to use it.
Huawei have he rights to run iOS
RU Sure? Got a source for that?
"I know that there is just as much literature picking apart AGW theory as supporting it (of course paid for by Exxon)."
You may "know" that, but can you cite any of it?
"People - climatologists, are doing that. And coming to the opposite conclusion to the AGW crowd."
Who. When. Where.
BAE's "Gorgon Stare"?
"BAE's "Gorgon Stare", for example, can track multiple objects within a 4KM radius beneath a drone."
"Gorgon Stare is a video capture technology developed by the United States military. "
"Gorgon Stare is being developed and tested on the MQ-9 Reaper at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida. with the 53rd Wing. These sensors pods have been in development since 2009 by the Air Force’s Big Safari group and Sierra Nevada Corp."
Where's BAE in that?
Re: The title should be different
"Farming is indeed a industry with a bright future, where our tens of millions unemployed youths in the EU will find long lasting career opportunities and self actualization."
Yeah, we'll make lasagne out of 'em.
Re: french cow
Luxemburg food processor
French cardboard box maker
UK cheap food buyer.
Re: We can't annoy the farmers!
Of course the CAP couldn't be cut.
The only way Cameron could get his tiny 20-30 billion "cut" was by promising not to touch the CAP.
None of this is real, it's just electoral willy waggling.
Re: Trust the satellite data
"Draw your own conclusions using the Mk. I eyeball."
Re: Backwards people?
You request ads? Bizzare.
Re: Good news and bad news
"If natural cycles can completely mask the global warming signal for 20 years, is it not likely that they can *enhance* the global warming signal for a similar "
Well, yes. but the problem is that the warming has been going on for rather longer than 20 years.
Remove the cycles and look at the underlying trend.
Re: The point is not always to kill
That wasn't a Desert Eagle, that was a Beretta 93R
Fit for purpose?
"I reckon about 1 in 10 or so don't make it through the first couple of weeks"
Then you take them back to the shop and get a refund.
What's the problem? Don't have consumer protection legislation where you live?
I guess that's why my provide gives 'em to me for nothing.
"So the ice loss, although not accelerating *is* a fact then? There is a steady, non-accelerating rate of ice loss over Greenland's surface?"
You've mis-read the Lewis's article in the way he hoped you would.
Lewis reports the paper as claiming the annual acceleration is 8 billion tons plus or minus 6.28 gigatonnes.
I.e. the annual accelaration is between 1.72 and 14.28 billion tons per year.
This is lower than other estimates, but not zero.
Re: Sorry, third world, you need to STAY POOR
"Unless you house is powered and heated by fairy dust.."
Of course I live in France.
Re: There are some problems with your post.
"But given that the French so distrust the Yanks that they [...] won't commit French forces to NATO (unlike the UK), "
Not very up to date are you.
Those French troops in Afghanistan were some kind of a mirage?
Thanks for that thouht Rupert.
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