1140 posts • joined Tuesday 22nd April 2008 12:44 GMT
Re: No room for 3rd ecosystem.
Yup, I would have been in the queue for a nokia android - I mean, assuming they had still gone ahead and ditched maemo/meego.
Nokia still says "quality handset" to some of us, and I believe they could have turned that into a reputation as a high-quality European android manufacturer. But nobody wants windows phone.
However, the E-Cat has been a hit among...
green energy enthusiasts morons as a "save the world" technology.
Keep up the good work, these conmen need the light of day shined on them, and I for one enjoy it when they get shot down.
Although some of them seem to keep ticking over for years as true believers continue to try and make their revolutionary technology work through sheer bloody mindedness, even though it's now established it can't and never has. (Orbo, I'm looking at you)
Re: This really does go to prove that web companies are a bad investment
I'm not *sure* fb is going to fail anytime soon, but I do think it was massively overvalued. A lot of the other things you mention that aren't going to fail I agree with - but these are more traditional businesses that rely for the most part on paying customers and actually selling a product.
I agree that a lot of these things follow the wrong success stories as examples. The other problem I see at the moment is overestimating the stickiness factor of these sites/services, and in doing so performing some sort of direct conversion between number of current users and available dollars. The reality is that for an awful lot of these services (and product, like nokia) there is no real stickiness and people just migrate when things change or something else better (or just newer) comes along.
Either way, there seems to be a buttload of money going on uncertain ventures at the moment, and Digg ought to be a case study for the investors.
That's not bad, assuming it can be reflashed with something less... jesusified.
You'll notice it also has a micro SD slot, something the nexus is sadly lacking.
This really does go to prove that web companies are a bad investment
How many times do we have to see it before the investors realise, I wonder?
Company forms, comes up with a good idea, gets huge, cruises for a few years and then plummets as the next big thing comes along.
Sometime in the middle there the founders (if they're smart) cash out for a few hundred million, though that didn't happen here, then the new owners or public investors are left watching their 'investment' leak cash and drop in value.
This is why things like the facebook IPO and the recent github VC funding both entertain and annoy me - these services are barely profitable, they have huge userbases but no real must-have product that couldn't be provided by someone else. Yet the cash-vomiting 'genius' investors see fit to throw ludicrous wedges of money at them, seemingly oblivious to the way these things fail, and how the cycle of growth and failure is really quite rapid in the tech world.
So yeah, the Digg guys should have gone for the 200m, and I gotta get me some of that.....
Re: To those not about to get Jellybean...
Given you're the only reply...
Yes, I heard about the possible brick issue, and I wasn't going to go CM yet anyway as CM9 is not released and CM9 Note support is definitely not released. I think it was only a couple of weeks ago they announced beta support for the S-Pen. I also don't have an issue with the stock firmware, now that I've loaded up Apex-loader.
But by the time CM10/JB is ready, these things may become a little better, and that would actually be a reason to try a non-stock ROM. Maybe.
To those not about to get Jellybean...
... have you considered CyanogenMod?
I'll certainly be looking to them for updates for my Galaxy Note rather than Samsung.
Re: Not the same as Linux x86
No, it's entirely different to Windows RT on ARM.
With the huge open source software ecosystem already available and already built across multiple architectures, you already have a hell lot available for linux on non-x86 architectures that you don't on windows.
As for closed source, well what do you need on a server that IBM don't provide? Why would you want non-IBM software?
Why look at a resume?
Could it be that it's a bad idea to restrict your search to github when a fairly small minority of developers work on open source projects?
FOSS devs are not a bad choice - the subject their code to public scrutiny and (if not employed as a FOSS dev) are dedicated enough to do this stuff in their spare time. But of the few hundred developers I've met, very few contributed to open source, even amongst the top end.
I find this whole thing deeply weird actually, $100 million to a centralised source repository to create more of a social network, it's silly money. And if they bungle it at all then people will just move on to some other free service.
Re: No information economy without intellectual property
"very soon there won't be any protection for IP"
Copyright on new works is protected for longer than any of us will live, presuming the autor lives another decade or so after publication (not unlikely).
I'm not sure how this translates in your head to "No IP protection soon!", but I can't say that it screams to me that we need a new treaty, longer protections and harsher punishments.
Software patents are just ripe for abuse, as we can see with Apple and Samsung dragging each other through the court systems worldwide.
I can see sense in trying to get China and other Asian nations that don't respect any sort of IP to play ball on these rules, but do you see China on the list of treaty signatories? Hell no. We see the usual suspects who are looking for a way to crack down on the public in the usual countries with a nice long list of new offences and penalties. Bugger that, mate.
What planet does this guy live on?
Secret meetings and secret treaty text, negotiated between governements and large corporations, explicitly keeping the public out of the loop that there was anything going on, let alone the real shape of it... yeah, totally not secretive. And of course you believe it's fair and balanced, you're an industry shill that probably helped pen some of it.
Yuck. ACTA should not be forced through in a few places, nor should it be renegotiated and forced through afterwards, it should be chucked. On the off chance that we actually need an anti-counterfeiting treaty, and I'd argue that we don't, but *if* we do then the whole process should be started from scratch, with democratic oversight and public input.
Re: @heyrick - A few sore spots with the GPL...
And some GPL haters obviously have their own definition of free and open computing that doesn't involve preserving freedoms for the user.
Yes, I read the compat clauses - all the compat licenses are copyleft licenses, mostly copyleft licenses that are substantially similar to the GPL. I'm still not sure of the point you're trying to make here.
Note that if using the EUPL you're really releasing under the most permissive of the compatible licences, likely the Eclipse public license or Common public license. These provide weaker protections (and therefore less 'freedom', which seems to concern you so much) for the end user.
@heyrick - Re: A few sore spots with the GPL...
"The problem I have with the GPL is that of code reuse. If I wish to use some GPL code within my "open source" project, I am obliged to release the project as GPL."
That is a feature, not a bug.
"Maybe one day, we'll all have an open source licence that promotes true freedom, not trying to squeeze in restrictions while talking big about supposed freedoms [hint: EUPL (pdf) is a good start]."
I looked at that license, have you read it? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, that license is substantially similar to the GPLv2, in that it requires source provision when distributing and specifies that derivative works must come under the same license.
Crowdsourcing implies to me ...
a commercial entity trying to get stuff done on the cheap by throwing it a crowd of ill-qualified numpties.
Collaboration in OSS tends to be small-ish numbers (on any given project) of highly motivated techies.
IMHO, of course, but that's the difference I see.
For a semi-relevant futurama quote?
You people have no soul...
So I said super-collider...
... I just met her! And then they built the super collider.
Anecdote accepted. Snappy comeback not found.
So we can decide we 'own' animal names now then?
I suppose the company in question is named after a fruit....
Personally I don't think anyone should get to own trademark use of common nouns like apple or leaopard.
Re: I think the new plan is...
Yup, that's what I've been waiting to see - Nokia, armed with a portfolio of patents that actually do have some substance, from the late 90s and early 00s, decide to take the nucleur option and destroy the industry on their way down.
I think it's a pretty real possibility that (because they're failing as an actual producer) they'll decide at some point to let the lawyers take the leash and make everyone else's life as hard as they possibly can. Except MS, of course.
Re: ICS/Jellybean apps
Actually, (and I'm just starting to experiment with android development) it appears that google supplies a support library that allows apps built against the latest APIs to work on platforms all the way back to ~1.6
Not much of an issue there then really.
You could say
I travel round the world, alternately taking myself round thousands of miles of rugged coastline or staying in luxury resorts in faraway places. Oh you mean how do I pay for it? Yeah, inbetween times I have to work on IT systems. Pays the bill you know?
You can try and explain how well-constructed algorithms are are like poetry or how a distributed system working in harmony is more beautiful to you than the finest ballet ever performed... but unless you're preaching to the already-converted it's not going to work.
I usually disagree with pretty much everything you have to say
On any topic whatsoever. However this is a travesty.
It's hard to understand why anyone would think this is a good idea, unless it's the likes of Spotify who have a business interest in being able to pay a flat fee to some or other official body and then stream what they like.
Legislators clearly just have no bloody idea.
Hell, I can buy most of a proper computer for that, or a 'real' laptop. I guess it's not really 'expensive', but it's hardly a cheap consumer device at that pricepoint either.
Re: Nicely left out the progress being made
Maybe they don't question that it's taking place *any more*. That is amazing progress, IMHO.
Maybe now we can move on one stage in the discussions about what might be causing this, and what (if anything) is the appropriate action to take. One tiny step away from the morons/paid shills bellowing about how it's all a lie is one positive move in my book.
Of course I don't believe for a second that humanity thinks long-term enough to void making life on this planet very difficult for itself in coming years. I think we'd rather bicker than deal with even clear and present danger, let alone nuanced evidence about our current polluting activities having a downside for future generations.
Still, no sense worrying really, because you can't change people.
Nicely left out the progress being made
That only -
"21% of Americans (+1), 22% of Britons (+1) and 14% of Canadians (=) think global warming is a theory that has not yet been proven"
So reality seems at least to have impinged on the general herd to some extent, in that only around a fifth of people in the US and the UK flat out deny it's happening.
I'm also amused that you think it's meaningful that a large proportion of people don't want to hamper the economy right now. You know, in the midst of the global financial clusterf*** we're currently sitting in. Frankly if 43% of Brits say they would be willing to hamper economic growth for the environment it's something of a miracle.
Also please note that they said they were willing to hamper growth, not get poorer. Your agenda is showing again, might want to pull those trousers back up a touch.
@Dave 126 - Re: So.... pebble watch was not a totally new idea?
Well, to be fair to pebble, they're still within the time they said they'd be when they launched the kickstarter stuff. It will be interesting to see if they can deliver to schedule and if they can deliver in the quantities they have pre-orders for. I suspect that there might be some growth problems as it got very big very fast.
E-Ink displays have excellent visibility in sunlight. Night time they would need a back (or front) light to illuminate them. Colour... yeah no colour. Pebble, with it's open SDK, could easily be programmed to perform the compass function you mentioned though.
The -1 Sony was not because of this product, its delivery or its execution, it's the other way around. A product immediately gets negative points from me simply because of the Sony label and their (lack of) corporate ethics.
I like the network setup thing
That could be kinda cool.
Am I alone, though, when it comes to an instant distrust of the idea of keeping credit card details, which can be used wirelessly with no pin or signature, inside your mobile phone?
I'm all for device convergence but this leaves me less than thrilled.
Sick, isn't it.
The rules only seem to get more restrictive, whichever area of law we look at, and laws are very, very rarely repealed. All the bad guys have to do is keep trying until resistance crumbles, or they can slip things through on a technicality.
Look at the software patents thing, that rears its ugly head in the EU every so often, despite having been slapped down multiple times in multiple ways. The last time I heard about it someone was trying to slip them through in a bill ostensibly on 'fisheries and agriculture'.
It would be a travesty to pour public money into a company that seems determined to run itself full-speed into the ground.
If a company is failing it's usually because something is deeply wrong with it. In this case its the leadership. Just let them go. Maybe the clever tech folk can start something else.
Thus ending piracy once and for all!
For all I tell you!
R18+ looking like MA15+ is fine.
So long as they stop banning things outright and then blaming it on the lack of an R18+ certification.
Never mind that what gets through or not is entirely arbitrary, depending entirely on press coverage.
Re: They also need
Yeah, the Note does this too. It's a bit weird, when most of the apps seem to be able to handle it fine, but you have to deal with a sideways home screen.
Andoid is very slick now, but the multi-tasking interfaces do seem a little like a step backward from Maemo.
If they're looking for a backup OS, maybe they could get more fully behind Tizen? I know, I know, that's just wishful thinking....
Re: The axe swung in the wrong place
Err, the N900 is a few years old now.
Have you tried the N9?
Neither of these handsets were shipped with Meego either, they're both Maemo. I'm not sure what you mean by a linux distro for tween girls either. It looked fine to me, better than the alternatives when the 900 came out.
I did switch away recently, because the 900 is dated and the 9 was on last-year's hardware when it came out, which is a year ago now. Nokia had dropped the ball on competitive hardware even before Elop's folly.
Re: The only time I've previously heard of Habbo Hotel
I'm not sure about a 'real' word, but it comes from FPS gaming IIRC. A griefer was originally someone who joined your team and then proceeded to put all their efforts into killing their own side, obstructing progress, and generally being a pain in the ass.
The only time I've previously heard of Habbo Hotel
is because it's somewhere that /b/tards of 4chan like to go and troll, or stand several of themselves in a public area, in the shape of a swastika. Basically griefing the children.
Re: You'd think
You would think that, given their other new-ish offerings at the moment come with ICS (or are ICS upgradeable). It's very odd that it doesn't.
If this had ICS I would have got one. Instead I'm now awaiting delivery of the Note :)
Re: What new direction?
Your breakdown is nonsense.
There were no problems with symbian and maemo/meego were coming along nicely. The 'new direction' they needed was to get some UI design folks on board, and fire half the management. Cut the number of models down from the hundreds of similar-but-not-equal handsets they were chucking out and get all the engineers pulling in the same direction instead of competing internally on hundred of different teams. Nokia wasn't one company at that point, it was about 8.
By ditching what was at the time the world's leading smartphone OS for one from a company with a history of failing in this arena, they simply torpedo'd existing business and pinned their entire future to a lame donkey.
Never heard of vertu before
Guess I'm not rich enough.
Damn those are some ugly phones though.
Re: They're making the wrong one redundant
What's being a dick about it?
It was obvious that WP was a terrible move from the get go - an extremely late entrant to the market from a company with a history of failed consumer electronics products and shafting business partners. The Xbox does indeed stand out as a counter example, but I'll see your Xbox and raise you a Zoon.
New direction was needed, yes. But even a muppet could see that it was a bad choice, foisted on them by Microsoft's new man at the top.
I know that most websites I stumble across work fine without cookies, as I reject them all by default.
Perhaps it's you that has a problem with understanding how websites work?
Forward the 'reputation managers'
Who can be found on many (if not most) tech discussion sites and social media these days. They will (for a fee, of course) attempt to make it appear that your product (yes, YOUR product) is the talk and toast of the town, so that these execs notice you and go with your solution!
No, we can't have nice things, ever, because someone will always step in a screw it up for a quick buck.
"If your software uses OSS libraries you need to make their source available, but not the source for the bit you wrote, unless it's modified OSS."
This is false, depending on license. In fact your whole post is false, depending on the license.
The GPL does not allow you to link to libraries without your code also being under GPL.
The LGPL does specifically allow this.
BSD/MIT license lets you do whatever the hell you want.
AGPL requires you to distribute the source even if the program is a hosted service (like a website).
They are all different and all have different rules, and all OSS inclusions and links need to be considered carefully if you wish to use them from closed source code.
I'd also like to say here that the DOD should be *extremely* careful about the circumstances in which they give source or binaries to contractors to work on. They could find that they've given redistribution rights to their entire codebase to the contractor or (if they make them sign away those rights) that they've violated the GPL by imposing a closed/stricter license on top.
Surely if they give the source of this mixed license application to a contractor, the contractor (as a wholly separate entity) is entitled to modify and redistribute?
And if they make the contractor sign away those rights it's a GPL violation?
I'd be interested to know a real legal opinion here, but it sounds to me like it's not a proper licensed use of GPL code, and that any copyright holder that had a problem with it might have a pretty good chance of a successful lawsuit here.
The lumia phones are overpriced and underpowered. The N9 was last-year's tech when it came out, and is now thoroughly outclassed.
The ball was dropped well before Elop came along, but he's done nothing except make it all worse. Ditch all our leading products! Embrace Redmond's latest failure! It's sure to make us all rich!
Poor nokia, they were the phone company everyone else wanted to be 10 years ago. Now they're just a sad example about what goes wrong when you sit on your laurels.
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