1243 posts • joined Tuesday 22nd April 2008 12:44 GMT
But didn't you know?
Teenagers can DIE if they're exposed to female flesh. This woman is as bad as a murderer!
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Re: Do no Evil
Of course, any action taken to protect business interests must necessarily be good, eh?
My computing device. I get to decide what it downloads and displays. Don't want to serve me content? Go ahead and block me, I'm cool with that. Just please don't try to tell ME what to do with MY device.
Re: Get some mad skillz peeps.
"I however disagree at the 58k number. I'd rather see age / exp versus av. salary in the field. I reckon this is so high because the majority of linux admins are oldies (no offence to the oldies <3)."
I've said it in several other places so I'll say it here too:
This is not a UK survey, it's an international one. Wages for tech work are *very* depressed here compared to the US where most respondents are likely from. I got a 50% raise just by moving abroad a few years ago. Then they gave me another 10% a couple of months later because they thought I was underpaid and would leave. And I was on an apparently decent salary for London.
Re: How Do You Know ?
That's the top end for linux IN THE UK. For the nth time - this is not a UK survey. In other countries decently experienced people wouldn't get out of bed for that much.
"City != London != UK"
Well it also wasn't a UK survey, it was global, and likely with a huge bias for the US, where $60K would be an insult to anyone with a bit of experience, but £40k seems to be regarded as a 'pretty good salary' here by a lot of folks (outside The City of course).
Re: German Employment Agency
I have had load of agents get in touch re: Germany recently. There does seem to be a big demand for it over there. One or two from Poland too.
But I've only just moved back to the UK so I have no intention of going anywhere for the forseeable.
Places that are not London, or the UK (or maybe Europe?)
IT/Software Salaries here are very deflated compared to other places. In the US and Australia they wouldn't stand for the sort of money employers get away with paying in the UK. The only way I've found to match it is to go contracting.
But but but but but....
... linux is just some niche OS only neckbeards and basement dwellers would ever use!
LOL. The March of the Penguins continues, and we are all richer for it. Especially those of us who work with/on it :)
Re: Yes but,...
Surely the reason these things are barely mentioned is because there are no devices? They may as well be vapourware until something appears, so who's going to bother developing apps for them?
That doesn't mean much in terms of potential. Also it may be better to eat each other's sales in the bottom five percent than bother with WP8 which makes up far less...
Hope it kicks off in at least a minor way, more operating systems in the mobile space are a positive thing.
What would be really great would be if Samsung provided a semi-official way to hack it on to their Galaxy handsets. Can't really see that happening though.
Tux because it's time 'proper' linux made a comeback into the mobile space.
Re: People who buy Chromebooks for Linux are doing it wrong
I wanted it.to hack. I have something of an ARM fetish going on at the moment, so a chromebook with an exynoz SoC was exactly right.
AFAICT there is no equivalent to that. It runs ubuntu at the moment but I'm sure I'll be able to debootstrap wheezy onto it sooner or later.
Re: Criminal Act?
"Yet without patents why invent anything if someone else can just rip it off immediately."
Most patents are not given to inventors. They're made by employees of megacorps patenting any damn thing that pops into their heads that the lawyers think they can slip past the system. I'm not arguing for no patents at all, I think they serve as a useful incentive. BUT what we as a society need to do is up the standards. They need to be specific, highly specific, so that abuse isn't so easy.
They need to be non-obvious to someone skilled in the art, so patent review needs to involve people who *are* skilled in the art and experienced, not just patent clerks. If two 'inventors' are racing to patent the same thing at the same time then it's probably actually an obvious development and neither should get it.
Patents on rounded corners or the location of a thumbstick on a game controller or an animation technique for scrolling a page on a phone screen or a million and one other things... these are incremental developments, and not innovation.
Re: A couple of things
Reading that back, I'm not sure how the fella had such a tough time installing an alternate OS on the Samsung. There's a guide here - http://chromeos-cr48.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/so-you-want-chrubuntu-on-external-drive.html
It's got some, err, hiccups at the moment (battery indicator in Xfce is a bit unpredictable in terms of whether it even runs or not) but combined with a half-length microsd adaptor it really is good. Beats the pants off my old eee901 with debian.
A couple of things
Pretty sure it's not a series 3 Chromebook, the Samsung Series 3 was an older x86 line. It is an xe303 though.
Also on the SD slot, if you get one of these -
And stick in a microsd card, then cut the USB side off the adaptor with nail scissors (it still works fine) you have a flush-fitting SD slot. I agree it's a bad design. Also you can then install Chrubuntu on the SD and you have a fully-featured little laptop with awesome battery life :)
Dear god no!
There are so many frickin' patents these days that everyone that creates anything, no matter how obvious, small or simple, (or conversely how unique and high-tech) infringes on any number of poorly worded, awful patents.
I bet Mr Baylis, should he have been anywhere close to as successful as he thinks he should be, would have found himself on the receiving end of more than a few lawsuits. Under his proposal he'd probably be in jail.
The wind up radio is a cool thing, and it's a shame people have ripped him off. Criminalising patent infringement is not the answer.
Re: Sneaking in with the Raspberry Pi
You can tell they had no idea linux existed before because of the proliferation of 'How to do <really obvious linux thing> on Raspberry Pi' blog posts.
It's most entertaining, like a bunch of teenagers who think they invented music, or kissing or something. Still, good that they're learning about it one way or another.
Re: I'll jump to Linux when...
Did you miss the title, that he said that he'll jump to linux WHEN... 100% compatible?
Because it seems like you missed it and in fact the whole point of the post, in your eagerness to find something to argue against in a post that actually entirely agrees with you. Muppet!
(BTW, OO/LO compat is as good as word's own compatr between versions IMHO)
Re: The Half-Truth
"For casual users that never used the few features of..."
Many fo those casual users have been trained over the last 15 years to click start so they can find the thing they want to run. Many of them will be thoroughly confused.
Not because the UI is confusing, and not because the UI is worse, but simply because 'Whar my start buttun?'
I don't know if they'll adapt very well. I anticipate many more confused parental phone calls after the next round of computer updates, whenever that may be.
Re: I love these posts about how it will never take off.
"Linux the kernel has certainly taken off. GNU/Linux the operating system is not so widespread."
You'll find it's probably in many (most?) houses with any up to date tech in them somewhere as it runs NAS boxes, routers and TVs these days, along with various other types of consumer electronics. And yes, GNU/Linux rather than Android or other userspace on top of the kernel.
Re: I love these posts about how it will never take off.
"Really????? This is about the DESKTOP environment for mr & mrs joe public."
Not really, when people (probably people like you) keep muttering this misguided nonsense about it being a niche OS that only crazy hobbyists contribute to or would ever run. That's demonstrably false, it's ubiquitous.
Android is not the same thing as GNU/Linux, no, but it is yet another example of the linux kernel (and a few other parts of the system) getting out there and getting things done. It's in cars, it's in network equipment, it's in tvs, it's in everything.
"Equating embedded versions of an OS with desktop versions does you no favours in the credibility stakes."
It's not a version, it's the same OS, which is why I can install firefox on my NAS and run it via remote desktop if I want to (not that that would be useful). I'm not sure how this affects anything in 'the credibility stakes', but it certainly doesn't do the assertion that it's never going to take off any favours either.
If there isn't a consumer UI that struck it big in the desktop space, so what? That's not even the growth market any more.
I love these posts about how it will never take off.
Linux owns the mobile space, the embedded space and the server space. Hell, it's probably even in your tv.
Just because you don't see it on the desktop everywhere.. well it doesn't mean squat.
Re: The Truth
" I don't want to spend time outside of work fiddling on my computer just for the fun of it."
Then you are not the employee I am looking for! Why are you even reading a tech site?
Also the circular trap (no games->no users->no audience->no games) is slowly coming to an end with the advent of linux Steam.
Re: Another example of why Linux fails to gain market share
"The app stores of Android and iPhone (does Win8 have one too?) are showing it's all about the user experience of getting apps installed and working so people can get on with real-world tasks. Linux needs an equivalent but developers can't even agree between .deb or .rpm! Perhaps Steam can sort it out - at least they have a financial incentive to make it work."
This is about the most ignorant thing I've ever read.
Linux has had app stores (repos) for years, way ahead of the likes of Android or iOS.
The distro devs can't *and don't need to* decide between deb and rpm because it's irrelevant. Users should never, ever have to deal with a deb or an rpm. They just install software by name straight from the repo. Years ahead of the competition. Installing new stores is trivial too.
Re: Not actually fussed about Gib either way but...
"If you or anyone objects so strongly then you could ask for a refund?"
Right, because when Jimmy Wales says some part of wikipedia is going a bit wrong, he should just shut up and/or ask for his money back then?
Re: Reminds me of the failure that is DNLA
How did I solve it? It being the 'only plays one song at a time' problem? I haven't yet. AFAICT (and this is all AFAICT, most of the controller software is closed-source and the renderer firmware is not something I've looked into) it comes down to that consistent DLNA bug-bear, which is that not everything implements the same subset. In particular it seems that the DLNA controller (phone) sends the renderer (tv, squeezebox etc) some sort of URL type thing (address of the media file@the chosen server), so the controller is not feeding the data to the renderer directly. It then expects the renderer to send a message back to the controller when it's finished playing the song/video/whatever so the controller can send the next URL in the playlist.
This message never arrives, or it gets sent but the controller drops it, or something, and then what happens depends on the renderer. Most of them just go quiet, some of them repeat the same track forever until stopped. One of the potential solutions is to ditch DLNA entirely and use logitechs squeezebox software and solution, which works very nicely, but they've just discontinued all the hardware, so the only thing you can do now is run softsqueeze.
Re: Errr.... DLNA?
I think that would be difficult. The nearest you're really going to get is using a small thin-client box attached to the telly that can run something like rdesktop/vnc client. Doing it this way you get a local keyboard and mouse too. I don't think you'll be getting 3D acceleration going very easily that way though.
Re: Space Monkeys
In the deep long-term we do absolutely have to get off this rock.
The Sun will continue to (ever-so-slowly) output energy at higher and higher rates, burning up its fuel faster and faster. 5.4 billion years down the line and the Sun will expand and engulf the earth. But well before that, 800 million years in fact, the increased output will mean the earth is too hot for liquid water to exist and life as we know it will have to come to an end at that point.
So.... 800 million years to come up with a decent spaceship design... best get started!
When did you try the DLNA stuff?
Because I agree it was a failure for quite some years, but recently I've been quite impressed.
Only quite impressed, not fully. There's some bug (protocol related AFAICT) that means my phone will only play one song at a time on the various audio renderers we have in the house, but it does mostly work now.
Depending on your tv etc etc. What exactly do you want to do?
If you have a relatively recent smart tv then it probably has some sort of network awareness and some sort of DLNA mode. You then set up your pc upstairs as a DLNA server (minidlna, mediatomb, ps3mediaserver, windows media player?) and your tv should be able to see it and play media from it.
If your TV has a 'dumb renderer' capability you can control this all from your mobile phone, there are various apps like 'skifta' and 'allshare' that allow you to browse your server's media selection and push it to the telly. How well integrated it is depends on the specific tv. My 2010 plasma has a sort of receiver-mode you have to put it into first, whereas a friend's newer (2012) model is in receiver mode constantly and anything you send will interrupt what's on now. You can even (with quite some difficulty and a package called python-coherence) set up a linux box as a dumb audio or video renderer in this way.
Of course this only works for media files, if that's not what you meant and you need a more generic streaming mechanism you might need another solution.
SCART was f*$%^*"%^ evil.
You could get the orientation right easily enough, but then you'd reach behind the tv and start sliding the damn cable around and about all over the place trying to get the thing in. All you needed was to be a fraction of a millimeter out and you may as well have been next door.
Inevitably, five minutes later, you'd have to pull the tv out and plug the damn thing in by sight. Worst Cable Evar.
Re: There's the Kool-aid...
"There's also Linux-lite, aka OpenOffice / LibreOffice running on a Windows PC..."
You think my mother knows how to operate a spreadsheet!?!
We have a hard enough time with the concept "I'm only available on skype when the computer's on" and the resulting expectation that my computer be left on all the time. Though for some reason the converse doesn't apply (things must be switched OFF! when not in active use).
She's figured out how to browse and book holidays online well enough though...
Re: There's the Kool-aid...
"I might suggest the Linux crowd's focus on the technical side being the more important is one reason WHY they still have no market share, despite their product being very good."
You'll find a lot of people in the linux crowd who aren't really interested in market share unless it brings more developers in to develop the system. Not the cheerleaders of course, but the 'it's awesome for me' crowd. And it is awesome for me, I can make computers running linux dance for me in exactly the way I want. That said I wouldn't wish to confuse someone like my mother by changing the way she does things, she has a hard enough time telling apart the AOL client ("the internet" which I'm trying to ween her off) and Firefox ("the Google", because that's the homepage).
People like her are why MS has a *very* fine line to walk with its interfaces, because if they change things around too much then people like me will get sick of trying to retrain them and just go with linux instead.
Re: 'Nokia has started to deliver very attractive products again'
@ dogged - "How many Androids were sold in the first two years of the OS's life?"
The original G1 sold pretty well, IIRC, though not barnstormingly so. However this is not the first year of Windows Phone is it?
"Coming soon, new awseome phone OS! Look, all these bloggers say its the best thing ever for users and developers even though there's no way anyone has got one yet and we just announced it yesterday! And it's got so many apps! Look! Shiny! No of course the last one didn't sell very well, it was crap. But this new one is revolutionary"
Which then turns to - "Well yes, of course all these features you like from iOS and Android are missing, it's a new OS, give it time, Windows Phone has only been out a few months hasn't it? And of course the sales are slow, duh, new platform!"
Are we going to have to watch the same pattern with Win Phone 9?
Apple will only sue if it becomes a threat. To become a threat they would have to sell some!
The General Public
Can barely tell their collective arse from their collective elbow.
This is good isn't it? Phones are supposed to be appliances, not a religion.
Re: $10,600 = 53 x $200
If your horse steps on your phone 53 times, maybe it's trying to tell you something.
Because not all migrants will be doing their best to avoid government detection?
Obviously the ones who are going to be trying to avoid detection aren't likely to say yes, but I think you're confused about the meaning of the word 'migrant'.
Yes! And it sounds so .... enterprisey! That means it must be good, right?
Not that much...
We've got a couple of HP microservers running zfs for file storage, a couple of ARM boxes repurposed to DLNA rendering, two desktops, a myth box, a laptop, a netbook, an ARM chromebook, three consoles, several mobile phones, a smart tv, a smart blu-ray player and a few squeezebox devices all on a mix of wired, wireless and powerline network segments. Uh I think that's about it.
These pretty much all count as part of the lab these days. They're all running some flavour of linux apart from the consoles and one of the desktops...
Re: I suspect
I'm not sure if you think I'm on samsung's side or something, I'm just pointing out that there's more than enough material to keep this one dragging on for years.
It's true that I'd like to believe in a rational legal system. In a case in which the foreman of the jury admitted that he had ignored court advice, misinterpreted the law and instructed the other jurors to do the same, I'd like to believe that in the modern day and age we could look upon that as a miscarriage. I am aware that the world is not rational however.
I'm also aware that a multi-billion dollar international mega-corporation does not need the likes of me white-knighting for them, which I'm not.
That there will be a few years of appeals on that $1bn before we see any cash change hands. It certainly seems that there were more than enough shenanigans in the Jury room to get the whole thing reconsidered, and that's before Judge Koh's weird rulings on what could and could not be entered as evidence.
Apple were quite good on this I thought
As a previous resident of Australia, yes most of the goods and services available to you over there are hysterically marked up and overpriced, with profits disappearing into the pockets of a variety of dodgy middlement, exclusive importers and (for some reason) retail real-estate barons. Most tech seemed to be double the price it was elsewhere. Cars were ludicrous!
Apple, OTOH, seemed to sell at roughly the US price + GST, which seems fair enough.
Re: Not only can't MS sell tablets...
Chrome OS is not shit JDX. It's a perfect appliance OS, it boots in a matter of seconds and presents you with a web browser. That's what it's for and it does it admirably.
Think before you speak dear, I know how fond you are of toeing the company line, but it doesn't always make you look as superior and eloquent as you seem to think.
Re: "Customers played a wait-and-see game"
'xactly what I thought when I read that.
Customers (well potential customers) either didn't know or didn't care. The phrasing in the article implies a hoard of people just waiting to see if MS did good or released cheap enough. I can't imagine this was the case at all.
Re: All true
Very, very different business model though.
If you added up the money brought in by Samsung's chip division (exynos is licensed from ARM, at the instruction set level IIRC), Qualcomm's chips (likewise snapdragon), nVidia's (tegra), Marvell, Broadcomm, Freescale, Ti etc etc you'd get a fuller picture.
ARM are a chip-design firm, not a full on design/manufacture/sales organisation.
What we need to make real money in the UK from ARM, is a UK-based implementor-manufacturer. Should we make 2013 the year of the British Mobile Phone?
Re: For goodness' sake
As a language it's a real mess, IMHO. That doesn't mean you can't pick a decent subset and do great things with it though.
Re: Why not a Chromebook?
Because a lot of the stuff I want to do with a little linux box is pretty low-level. Partition editing for example. I also use my chromebook as a development laptop so python, the ability to install arbitrary libraries from the Ubuntu repositories and all that good stuff is what I want.
That said, yes, when I want (almost) instant-on browsing and mail with a nice bright screen, I use ChromeOS and it's great.
Re: I want a new netbook
I mean, if you're not wedded to windows ands prepared to do a bit of hacking. Samsung's ARM Chromebook (XE303), with ChrUbuntu hacked onto it on a MicroSD card. This is serving me very well at the moment and is so much more capable than my long-suffering eee901. And ChromeOS itself actually works really nicely for what it is.
The machine is thin, light, pretty and has decent battery life and zero moving parts. The casing is a little on the flimsy side but otherwise all is well.
If you're not up for a bit of hacking or do want windows of course, this solution is not for you.