3048 posts • joined 25 Mar 2008
Yeah, and security by obscurity works sooooooooo well.
I get these...
...even though I am registered with TPS. They are a total pain in the arse. And the bastards block their number too - that should be illegal for any company using auto-dialers. If I knew their number I could report it and request a block (at the offender's expense).
This fine is pointless as we all know it will not be applied and it is just to easy for these companies to avoid any censure (mostly because the have enough wonga to grease the right palms).
@Mods hate me
No apology forthcoming, there is still no link to a page where a consumer can buy a PC from a major OEM either naked or with a non-MS OS. I know there are landing pages for business customers, but they lead no where if you want to buy on-line.
Dell's singular offering does not count as a real choice in my book.
That leaves Joe Schmoe with no viable choice other than Windows (tech savvy users can always get what they want (either going to a niche retailer or DIY), but I am not thinking about them).
Don't misunderstand; I want to be proven wrong, I want people to have a choice, I want to issue that apology/thanks for getting a link.
It's not happened yet.
And yes, I have been looking too. I can find Linux systems from other sources, but again that is not what I am talking about. I am pretending to be the average consumer going to the "household names". When you do that it Windows or nothing.
@Not so smart, are ya?
Thanks for proving me right. Those links go no where. Yes, the first page shows SUSE for some notebooks. Now, click on the clink for one of them (say the 4710s), SUSE no longer an option. So then you select "All models". Still no SUSE.
I can't find the page where I can actually BUY this laptop.
AND this is appears to be a business device.
This is exactly what I was going on about - thank you again for helping me prove it.
Caught you out Steve.
I just did as you suggested - no results (beyond a few components).
C'mon Steve 44, put your money where your mouth is and show me the hard links (UK site, consumer device, any Linux distro, direct from HP, Sony, Tosh, ANY major OEM).
Or I can only conclude you are in serious error with reality.
Show me the links
C'mon, so me the links. I ahve asked time and again on here for links to the ACTUAL PRODUCT and NO ONE can provide them
I know the HP is a lie, because I have tried. Yeah, you'll get Google results but they go no where, or they vanish into the quagmire of USA business account handling. Urgh. UK site, consumer device; prove it.
I would LOVE to be wrong.
Oh, and those links?
Show them to "proper" systems, not to the single, crippled version of some netbook that they may sell as a pathetic PR stunt.
I agree completely. By and large the choice on all PCs should be
- No OS
- Windows flavour(s)
- Linux flavour(s)
The first one is THE most important. I can live without the other two.
"Its like buying a new car, then a week later asking them to take the seats back because you've decided you don't like the colour, and have found the ones you want at another dealer."
Another bad analogy. The problem in the consumer PC market is that all the seats are blue, for every major manufacturer. THERE IS NO REAL CHOICE! Dell offer NO REAL CHOICE (one shitty netbook does not count). Nor to HP, Toshiba, Sony etc.
I'll type this slowly so people can keep up.
...let the consumer make it. Anyway, the burn in tests will be done from the "support" partition they image on to the drives. Only a complete moron would remove that as tech. support will want you to have gone through some tests to get error codes etc for hardware issues.
Still no need for the machine to be infected with a full Windows deployment.
@Just buy the Ubuntu vesrion
My, that is a viable choice for the average consumer!
...ONE crippled netbook. That's it. THAT IS NOT A CHOICE!
And it is the previous LTS.
When I can select (just about) ANY Dell product and choose a non-Windows OS as an option (with appropriate cost saving) then we will have choice. Until that time THERE IS NO REAL CHOICE.
Now kindly shut-up and stop astroturfing for MS.
They sell ONE crippled netbook. That's it. IT IS NOT A VIABLE CHOICE!
Show me where I can simply switch the OS from Windows 7 to Ubuntu in their customise dialog.
I know you can't.
A very bad analogy
Audi will have designed your mirrors and written a spec on how they should work. A contractor (or Audi) will then have made them, and the components that make them up. Same goes for every single piece of the car. Audi write the spec and either make the part, someone else makes the part or someone finds an off-the-shelf part that meets the spec.
This is not the same with PCs.
MS are demanding that you have their OS on any PC. Beyond a few very small players, you cannot buy a PC from an OEM without Windows. If I go from Dell to HP to Toshiba to Sony to Acer, I am forced to take Windows. In the car world if I hate Ford engines (say) I can buy Toyota and get a Toyota engine. You just cannot do this in the PC marketplace (business accounts are different, we're not talking about them). It is not possible to choose another vendor and body-swerve the MS Tax.
If you want to stick with the car analogy, consider the radio. There's usually a choice, heck BMW used to spec sans radio! That's the kind of choice we want and need in the PC marketplace.
You only get choice from the minor vendors (e.g Morgan in the car world). They can and will meet whatever spec you desire, but you may have to pay a higher price or suffer some inconvenience (less support, less locations, longer delivery time etc etc; not always the case though).
Dell are, IMHO, wrong not to offer the refund.
MS are IMHO wrong to force vendors to sell a PC with Windows, vendors should be allowed the "no OS".
People who bash others for wanting the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE are wrong.
The USA does not have the balls to step-up to this, so let's see the EU do what's right for consumers and ensure a fairer marketplace.
Cue the MS shills...
They should. (I can rise to the same level of argument.)
What is the reason for your stance? Mine is that we need consumer choice and we don't have that at the moment. The major OEMs all force you to have Windows and to pay the MS Tax.
...System67 (USA, but they will ship I think) and Frostbite Systems (USA only). And probably any semi-decent PC shop where they employees actually know their stuff. They don't need to know Linux per se, they can just give you the naked PC.
HTML, dotNet, Java etc; these are tools. When I hire a joiner, they do not charge me for their saws etc (well, not directly). They charge me for materials, but mostly they charge me for knowing how to use said materials, what materials and how to approach a piece of work.
That's what I pay for.
If a joiner said I needed to pay $n for a special saw because it was the only thing that would cut a certain material, I'd be off getting a new joiner!
It's a different (better?) way of thinking and working.
They will support enough HTML5 to crow about how much they work hard for standards. But not enough to actually do anything. Cue web devs/designers tearing their remaining hair out trying to get stuff to work in IE9 like it does in Opera, Firefox, Safari, Chrome... A bit like IE6 really (which we'll *STILL* have to support anyway...)
MS will slowly steer people towards Silverlight as it is more "feature rich" and "cross-platform", thus locking companies ever more into the MS world and preventing competition.
Extend (...perhaps Evade or Exchange in this case?)
We have been here before. We should remember our history (actually, our present. I'm looking at you, IE6).
Either they get with the program and support the standards in their entirety (c'mon, if ickle Opera can do it, surely it's not beyond the might of MS; hell, they could even just use some FOSS modules) or it is all just PR bullshit.
There is no proof...
...and we should not leap to some complex and fantastical conclusion when something more prosaic (and as yet, unknown) may be lurking. Waking dreams, weather phenomenon, etc. The universe is strange enough without inventing more crap.
As for the price gibe....you did see the ":oP" didn't you?
3 times the price?
Not really. When I looked at them I'd say they were (give or take) about right, but the tag appears to be about 1.5 times the cost of a similar Windows laptop (it will vary from OEM to OEM). You have to consider the build quality (which I am told is good) and thus discount all the low-end makers (e.g. Dell), then you have to consider the nVidia graphics card and other hardware spec (and discount entry-level machines) and finally consider the after sales support (which I am told is good).
So maybe you do appear to pay "over the odds", but you get what you pay for to a large extent I think.
I didn't by a Mac in the end...I decided I didn't need a laptop after all.
There are no ghosts, spirits, phantasms, aliens*, alien spacecraft*, no alien abductions or any of that crap. It's all in their head.
Unexplained != Trans-dimensional Beings from the Dark Beyond (or whatever)
I guess if you are deluded enough to believe in that crap, you are deluded enough to pay through the nose for a basic laptop. :oP
*Well, not here anyway
H.264 is an open standard and there is hardware acceleration available for it. Using Ogg would be a retrograde step.
Sure, you have to bend of and take it up the wrong 'un from the Patent Pixies; but is that so bad?
Hmm...why yes....it is.
Not a pass
You do understand that 100/100 is not a pass, don't you?
If you don't understand that, i suggest you go and read how ACID3 actually works.
"When IE9 lands in a year or so, it will have the features similar to those that current browsers have already had for about a year".
i.e. "IE9 will be two years behind the curve"
Everyone name their home "DROP TABLE ?;" and variations there upon.
That'll learn 'em.
It's all just a local check anyway
You can't refer back to the main db in cases like this. Can you imagine the infrastructure? *GLOBALLY*? And you'd need wireless+portable, with a response time in seconds. So most readers will simply use a local check, trusting the card.
WTF is the point in the card then?
My (slightly tin-foil-hat) opinion is: social control.
'Hillier said that the "9/11 had put the cast on the ID card" about terrorism'
Hello, Hillier you chump. This is reality calling. The 9/11 terrorist travelled on THEIR OWN PRIMARY ID (passports). If the USA had had ID cards then they would have still gone ahead as, despite making no attempt to hide who they were, the were not stopped by the security services.
So how the bloody hell will ID cards help? The security services couldn't even track those guys by their passports numbers! FFS!
Britons - rise up and overthrow these threats to our nation!
That's how they do it. In theory at least.
Appeal to Common Practice
"As a point of democratic principle, how can something that most of us do be illegal?"
Your argument is an example of "Appeal to Common Practice" and therefore fallacious.
I am not disagreeing that copyright laws and the punishments are a crock of shit that favour the BPI/RIAA over the artist/consumer, but you need to construct a better argument to stand a chance.
How about "The proposals entrench a business model that is slowly becoming out of date and creates artificial barriers to trade. This stifles innovation, the economy and start-up business to the benefit of the incumbent players and reduces the ability of workers within the industry ("artists") to earn a fair wage, expect for a few big-names. It should not be up to the state to protect someone's business model (or protect them from their poor business choices) except in absolute extremis where the stability of the state itself is affected. The state should ensure that its populace are served by businesses that work for that populace and provide them the services they want, rather than assist business to work against the wishes of the populace."
1 - Get rid of DVD region-locking (regions are fine, languages and all, just no locking please).
2 - Allow me to format shift for my own use (not legal in the UK).
3 - Allow free trade (grey imports etc, this will reduce price-fixing).
I am sure you can think of more.
For us, maybe
For normal users, no way. And there is the after-sales support to consider.
You need to be able to go the the Dell (say) website, select the machine, choose the OS, spec it and then buy. This just isn't happening and until it does Linux will stay in it's sub-1% niche.
This is coming to the EU...
...and it's called "ISA" (Intelligent Speed Adaptation), it used to be called EVSC (External Vehicular Speed Control). The idea is that it will become impossible to break the speed limit. The car will only let you run up to the limit, no more. You will also be tracked (the car has to know where you are to figure out the limit).
Of course, this would lead to a fall in all that lovely revenue from speeding fines, so may only go ahead in some watered-down form. What is also proposed is for the police to be able to issue a signal and your vehicle would automatically shut-off. Nice.
It is also married to lane charging and other forms of state observation/taxation.
And you can thank your freedom-hating Labour voters for it!
Obey the machine, citizen!
Always the problem with Ubuntu
If you stick with the default repros, you'll be on 3.5.8 until Canonical update them.
I've not bothered to look and see if Mozilla provide a repo for Firefox. I have added repos for other software where Canonical don't keep up-to-date (but then I have to personally accept the risk of things not quite working).
Why isn't she in the dock?
One other problem with Flash...
...is the DRM. Just look at the iPlayer. There's a few "third party" apps (even ones the BBC supported and promoted!) that respected the rules about how the content could be streamed/stored and they cannot be used any more because of the RTMP bullshit in Flash.
This would be easy to get around, but illegal due to the DMCA bullshit (and similar bullshit laws in Europe).
This is, basically, caused by Flash IMHO (well, more correctly, Adobe and the BBCtards). And it's all bullshit.
It's the same crap that has foisted DVD regions on use, allowed Sony-BMG to think it was "OK" to install a root-kit and so on.
A second problem with Flash is that it is not truly cross-platform. Flash on Linux sucks ass. Really. I will agree that Linux is a (very) niche market, but if you are lording yourself about as a "standard" you'd better bloody well work across ALL platforms (and that also includes simialr performance across ALL browsers).
This neatly segways into the third problem with Flash. Obviously Adobe can't do all the above, they are a bottleneck. Flash is not open, no one else can help them. There are projects that try to ape Flash (e.g. Gnash) and they have one hell of a time. If Flash was open, the individual OS/browser teams could make sure it works correctly on their platform. No bottleneck.
This would also solve problems one and two at a stroke and the world would be a happy place.
...this is the UK and the MPs want to help their friends in big business shift all that 100Mbit/s kit they have lying around, as well as recover the costs of the fab. pplants. In return, the MPs can expect sponsorships, junkets, directorships and help getting that peerage.
In the UK an MP will do what is right for them and that's it; not what is right for the country or their constituents. They are corrupt to the core - just look at the recent expenses fiasco. Scum the lot of them.
Once you need an ID card for insurance, bank account, NHS, benefits, and police random stop (where not having an ID card is taken as 'suspicious') there will be a stampede of applications.
The ID cards are coming.
You will obey the machine.
Whilst the outlawing of Word amused me greatly, all this patent faff in the USA is really beyond a joke. There should be some clause whereby if a firm is not actively using a patent (i.e. in the R&D/manufacture of mobile phones in this case) then the patent expires within a few years.
I realise there are problems with the above, but it would stop all these parasitic lawyers hoovering up patents and suing every Tom, Dick and Harriet.
There's no need to advertise the ID card as it will be compulsory.
Either have an ID card, or foget about having a job, bank account, health care, insurance, driving license or being free to walk down the street (no ID card will be 'suspicious').
Thus advertising the ID card would be like advertising breathing.
Who mentioned Linux? Your prejudices are showing through.
But, if people don't want Linux they'd best get rid of all those Tivos then.
And most other PVRs...
And most set-top boxes...
But I wasn't necessarily talking about Linux (other kernels are available...).
I did not "care" if my washing machine had a pre-soak cycle when I was looking. Really, it was not part of my buying decision. I would "care" though if it could not clean my clothes. I did not know in advance that a pre-soak cycle might have been important (luckily the one I bought has one, but anyway...).
So you are right, general consumers will not "care" in advance about multi-tasking, USB, tethering, video out etc. Right up until the point where it does not do something they expect and then they will "care" mightily.
Oh, and thank you for the ad hominem. it;'s nice to see that the powers of reasoned debate on El Reg are still in the gutter. You do realise the irony in calling me a "socially inept nerd" whilst slinging said insult; don't you?
No sense of humour, any of them!
It is more feature rich and less locked down that the Apple iFad at the hardware level (USB etc).
It can run a full, multi-tasking OS.
I know which one I would seriously consider, and it wouldn't be the iFad.
Whilst I agree...
...Apple are not in a monopoly position on desktop PCs. MS are.
There is a stronger case to call Apple a monopoly in the Smartphone/Portable Media Player arena; but there is still probably enough competition for them to duck it there too.
MS, however, ARE a monopoly and this is why they come in for so much stick.
...and just to try and play a Flash video as smoothly as Windows XP on an old P4.
Are you accusing me of...
...illegally accessing content? Are you accusing me of illegally distributing content?
Be very, very careful what you say, buster. And go look up the work "libel". Yes, it does apply to forums such as this.
The BBC really are being monumentally stupid. And the content providers too. Their current antics simply mean that illegal content is easier to acquire and consume than legal. So guess what people will use?
The iPlayer was so good it has hard to believe it came from the BBC. Now it is just getting turned into a sack of vomit by all this Adobe crap.
Porn site - index pictures and video, search on same, deliver content to verified users.
Photo sites - index pictures a, search on same, deliver content to verified users.
Video - index video, search on same, deliver content to verified users.
Content delivery web interface - index content based on meta data, search on index, deliver allowed content to verified users.
Technically they are all very, very similar. If not fecking identical! What next? "Same models of Cannon cameras used at school sports day also used for smut filth! Shock!"
Thinking about, losing the prudish attitude and using the solutions the porn industry have found to verification, delivery, distribution and piracy could well save millions (billions?) in other sectors.
Mad thought of the day: perhaps the porn industry would be better suited to delivery NHS SPINE than the incumbent consultants?
Linux Repos FTW
This is one area where major Linux distros thrash Windows into oblivion. The "repository" system works very, very well. You can install from the existing repos, add new ones etc. So long as the install is done within the bonds of the prevailing package control system, updates for everything (kernel, apps, whatever) just appear.
You have one point of truth (the package manager, call it what you will) and within a corporate environment you can simply run your own repo that pushes out whatever whenever it is tested/needed.
When it comes to updates and remaining secure, I don't Windows users are aware of how far back in the dark ages they are living.
Point of order
H.264 is not "open source" in any meaningful way. It is patent encumbered and you cannot implement it without paying fat fees. Hence why MOziall has (rightly) dug its heels in over the use of this format.
As for the BBC...fix this stupid mistake NOW. (Yes, I have complained)
Ha ha ha ha!
Please tell me this was meant as a joke. Please. It's great!
If you were serious; then....oh dear god. Back to school for you!
That's the MS business model alright.
Now, about Linux...
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