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Re: So my question is
I was about to post the same thing. I would imagine that Google would respect "robots.txt" and if the Google bot can get at the images, it kinda implies that anyone else could by simply walking the site using wget or similar.
So either they didn't define "robots.txt" properly, didn't correctly check sessions, didn't have proper security or some combination of all three.
And what did Perfect10 want? Google (and Yahoo, Bing, AltaVista etc) to not index them?
Re: They haven't copied
Yes, yes I think they have. Get Andrew Orlowski on the case, he's big on copyright and will surely see that just action is taken.
Re: This all ignores the elephant in the room
Nice post, although I do take issue with the use of the word "piracy" but that's just semantics.
I see Avengers 2012 on that list - can you please tell me how much that affected the box-office take? Because if I remember, it just broke lots of records.
Obviously that does not excuse copyright infringement one little bit, but it does bring into question just how much damage (if any) is actually being done.
I don't necessarily agree with TPB (although as a distribution service it is genius) but neither to I agree with the draconian legislation being mooted and forced through.
Infringement has almost certainly always existed once it became technologically possible (and no, that does not make it right) but what harm has actually been caused? Companies have survived and grown from gramaphones thru LPs to tapes, videos, CDs etc and not a lot seems to have gone wrong. Heck, maybe the infringement was even a boon to some. So despite it having been around for so long and companies/people still raking it in, why should we let them make such an audacious grab for culture with ever increasing terms, region-locks (WTF did those ever do other than force people to infringe?), DRM (as before), and new laws?
I often wonder what history has to say about all this - what happened when the printing press landed and all the scribes' jobs were in danger; did they demand legislation/special treatment to protect their business? It's the closest equivalent I can think of.
Re: This all ignores the elephant in the room
Copyright (and to a very large extents, patents) were about giving the original creator a window of a opportunity to make money off their creation/invetion (either by direct sales or some kind of licensing). The copyright/patents were all geared around the idea of a creator.
Now big business is trying to re-gear it all around a corporation. Corporations don't die and are inhuman. Thus they demand ever increasing terms and ever more restrictive laws to "protect their investment".
What about protecting human culture?
TPB gets it's panties in a bundle over being copied. Yes, that is hypocritical.
Andrew gets hit panties in a bundle over TPB allegedly attacking sites and deleting content, but isn't that what the authorities do to the likes of MegaUpload? Actions that Andrew supports. Isn't that also hypocritical?
The copyright laws are way, way out of control. The stranglehold corporations wish to get on human culture is simply beyond the pale. Sites like TPB are not really an answer (although the tech they use is certainly a boon), but neither are increasingly draconian laws which restrict culture.
Re: Censorship is bad. Always
@AC - Nothing, but a consistent handle is a step-up from a coward and the best yer going to get around here. Yes, I could have multiple handles, use throwaway account etc etc.
But I don't.
ElReg, good as it is, just isn't worth that level of effort.
Heck - how does another reader know that you are not me.
Are you me? Does that explain the blackouts and the voices?
Re: Censorship is bad. Always (@JDX)
@Swarthy - Or when "faith" tells you something is bad and bombs/burns you at the stake for wrongthought?
Re: Censorship is bad. Always
@AC - the point being, you can check out my other posts to see what else I have said. Can't do that with an AC. You could be the same AC for all I know.
The AC system has it's used, but seems to be abused.
Re: Censorship is bad. Always
'There are two extreme camps: "let everyone have everything" and the "make sure the state censors anything which may be damaging to anyone" '
A lack of censorship does not mean a lack of laws preventing harm to others. Censorship (as opposed to preventing harm) tends to be based on some idea of outraged morals "I disagree with that, lets ban it". I am not for one second suggesting we should be able to go into a shop and by "Kiddy Fiddling for Dummies", but there are laws/operations to catch those doing the harm and ensure the actual censorship is not required. I realise I may appear to be splitting hairs and not explaining myself well; but I do not see the prevention/protection from harm as the same as censorship. Consider censoring debate about child porn as opposed to the child porn itself.
Take a different example; S&M. Should that be banned/censored? (I know 'extreme' porn already is). Between consenting adults (even to publication of their activities) - no. They're consenting adults. Between one adult and an unconsenting adult? Or one unable to understand what is happening, or two you? There's no need to censor that - it's simple assault.
Censorship is much more about protecting some idea/perception we have from (potentially justified) attack. It used to be (still is, in some places) about protecting religion. Now it is about protecting from the perception of offence, or in the name of diversity, or for the children, or whatever. Doesn't make the censorship any less bad IMHO.
Re: Censorship is bad. Always
"Everyone should be able to see Child Porn, in order that they can see how bad it is?"
A, child porn. Used to enact an emotional response and allow the other party to call me a lover of paedos (or whatever) should I say something that they disagree with. If you had posted under your El Reg name I would have answered.
As you didn't I call you troll. Good day.
Re: Censorship is bad. Always
Yes, always. Even for scary, hate-filled, garbage censorship is bad. Only by shining a light on it (whatever it may be) can one discuss why it is wrong, harmful, not supported by evidence, not compatible with good morals, just plain wrong etc.
Oh, and TBP is not illegal as they host no content. If you declare TBP illegal, you must also declare Google etc illegal for the same reasons.
Re: Old hat - but the bigger story is...
@Ian McNee - I wish I had more upvotes for you. This is exactly what the NHS should be doing. Hopefully it can be expanded to other services.
Censorship is bad. Always. Age restriction I don't qualify as censorship, but censorship can wear it as a disguise ("Think of the children!" argument). I do not think VM (or the court) has censored TBP, it's still trivially easy to access. If the court had wanted, they could have made the terms much more sweeping.
TBP is a source or copyright infringing material (amongst lots of other things) and this is either because people are not getting the service they want, or do not value the products at the price offered. The former is definitely the case - DRM only affects the legal consumer and drives them towards infringement to use material they believe they have bought. The latter would require a cartel, and such cartels do exist (RIAA, BPI etc); they exist only to prevent free-trade (region encoding, blocking imports etc).
TBP only exists as a reaction to the control/exploitation of the consumer. There has *always* been sharing. We're a social species! The sharing is not a loss, it viral marketing! Sure, jail the idiot banging out 100,000 hooky CDs every month, but people sharing the odd song/movie or two? Please, that's just human nature. Deal with it. And if you can't deal with it, piss off.
Despite (or because of?) heavy piracy the new Avengers movie still broke records. I utterly fail to see what these muppets are fighting. They seems to still be cashing it in.
Re: or provide a refund
"A buyer has the right to return or resell the OEM copy of MS Windows, or the antitrust authority should intervene."
No, they don't. MS changed the EULA, remember? You must now comply with the vendor's policy which may mean you have to return the entire machine (and I believe that is not the policy of the major vendors).
...so now we need global warming to stop us turning into New Hoth? Fire up that Quattro!
Re: IdeaStorm not up to much then?
"Neither suggestion has ever been taken up by Dell for fear of loss of their Windows volume licensing I reckon."
And this is why the regulators need to act. The major OEMs need to be forced to provide "No OS" as an option (they caveats/warnings about support and needing licenses if needs be).
Needs more info
Proper open source drivers that any distro can package, or binary blobs that could potentially only work with Ubuntu? e.g for full multi-touch or whatever.
As for the lappy, just a rehash of what Dell has offered before (over-hyped and under-spec'd).
All Dell (and other OEMs) have to do is provide a "No OS" option when spec'ing a device and stop placing Windows Limits on what you can spec.
Copyright an API?
Really? If that happens the IT world is screwed.
Well, even more screwed that it currently is with patents etc.
Google were dumb to fork the Linux kernel and Java as they did. But look at the innovation and industry that exploded around Android. The two players kicking up a stink (MS and Oracle) are nowhere in the spaces Android occupies.
AIUI the Android kernel is coming back into Linux mainline. Looks like the 'freetards' have shown the big corporates up again.
This judgement could have serious implications for the IT world and is a sad day for consumers.
It's triple-dipping. My taxes are subsiding the service in the first place.
I had recent cause to use the train in Germany. A one-way cost €60 bought at the station on the day, not cheap I grant you but still around half the price of a UK equivalent ticket (some of the changes were tight, so I took flexible).
The train left on time, was spacious, clean, quiet, had a comfortable dining car, good and reasonably priced food. Even the more rural trains were all clean and well turned out. For half the price I felt like I got four times the service.
In the UK I would have been on a slow, dirty, overcrowded train which served cardboard and paid through the nose for the privilege.
...wasn't too bad, although the way it was arranged without democratic oversight certainly was. But who needs ACTA when the USA will bring CISPA into World Law. Is it really safe to let the World Police set the laws? Is that not a conflict of interest?
Never apologise to superstition
There probably is no Yaweh/Allah/Thor/Whatever (as there is certainly no evidence).
Thus they hold the same validity as the Easter Bunny and should be treated as such.
It's high time we stopped treating religion in such a privileged manner and regarded it as the hate-filled, child abusing, reason stunting, war causing hokum that it is.
Re: I find...
I totally agree janimal, but this is just another sign of people expecting "someone" to do things for them, to be to blame, to carry responsibility. I pay a mechanic to do the jobs on my motorcycle I cannot (either due to tooling, skills or time), I pay a plumber/electrician/joiner to do the jobs on my home I cannot do; why should a household Internet connection be any different?
Parents, take some responsibility for what you brought into the world!
...twat off, Vaz. This is the same "Think of the children!" knee-jerk bullshit that brought us the IWF (easy to by-ass, penchant fir censoring Wikipedia), block of TPB (easy to by-pass) and now the "I' am a dirty, porn-loving deviant list".
AIUI there is not one shred of evidence that games increase levels violence.
And even if there was, that could be a matter for the parents of that child to do their job and not let little Timmy play "Ultra-Kill 9" or whatever.
FFS, Breivik will have used maps. BAN THEM!
Probably drank coffee. BAN THE BEAN!
Even took a dump. ANALLY RETENT TO SAVE YOUR KID!
Almost exact same spec as my box (1GB nVidia GT240) with 7.1 soundstill running 10.10. DVDs play fine.
I suspect PICNIC.
You should get on the forums and resolve the issue - might be the drivers, compositing or just a dodgy config; but this is hardly the place to do support.
...Cameron and his blue-rise brigade offensive. Please place them on an automatic "opted-in" block list. Think of the children! While you're at it, add the LibDems and Labour to the same block.
Seriously, if you are worried about what your children can see on the Internet the you need to protect your child. By either being with your child, or censoring your connection.
If you do not know how to protect/care for your child, why the hell should I pay (through a loss of freedom) for your ignorance?
Net-Nannies/filtering is not that had, either learn, buy a tool or pay someone to sort it out for you.
"And giant shapeshifting lizards run the world, I hear."
Is that what we are calling lawyers these days? That's a step up for them.
I have little issue with copyright - but extending it ad infinitum (which is what is happening) is madness. The current duration is far too long, never mind what it will become.
Copyright is not wrong
Nor are trademarks, nor are patents. What is wrong is the ever increasing copyright term. It is far too long and will eventually become a tax on culture in all-but-name unless the rot is reversed. One could also consider patents (especially in the software field) as a tax on innovation, although patents do do their job rather well in other areas.
Breach of trademarks is basic fraud and I see no issue with dealing with those people harshly.
But seriously - the copyright rot must be stopped.
Re: Only a small percentage of society is in denial
Obvious troll is obvious.
“The idea we should dilute intellectual property is utterly barmy,” Whittingdale said
The idea we should permit 'intellectual property' in its current form is what is utterly barmy. What we have now is the beginnings of a global, indefinite tax on future culture. There will be no more Handel, or Bach; no more Shakespeare; no more Mark Twain; no more mix tapes; no more second-hand stores; there will be only the renewing of a "license" to the gatekeepers. Gatekeepers of art and media that should belong to society and be freely enjoyable by all.
That is not to say it should be without cost, after all selling books, putting on shows etc all need funds. But after the reasonable copyright is up (say, 10-20 years), they should be free as in freedom. Free to distribute, parody, re-work, share, build on. Just like the classics are now - and the classics seem to be doing rather well if you ask me, even if the originals are out of copyright.
This simply will not be possible with commercial gatekeepers holding on to their "property" for the shareholders. Future culture will simply be a wasteland of commercial dross where artists and the public suffer under the wheels of the corporate machine.
This is the future being laid out before us, and this is what must be resisted. This is why we need ideas like Copyleft and Creative Commons. This is why we need to encourage alternatives to the RIAA/MPAA/BPI cabals.
PIPA, SOPA, SIPA, Hadopi, DEA, etc are evil laws that do not serve the societal interest. So what if a few companies go to the wall due to the Internet. So what? Survival of the fittest. Evolve or die. Provide the service people want, or go bankrupt. End of discussion.
Instead our toadying "leaders" enact laws to enslave our future culture to some faceless bottom-line. The bottom-line of an industry that is renowned for false-accounting and screwing artists over much more than any copyright infringers may have.
Artists need money to live and eat like the rest of us. The RIAA/MPAA/BPI etc do not represent artists (never have), they represent companies whose sole purpose is to maximise short-term profit at any cost. Nothing else. And if that means screwing over the actual talent, then this is what will (and does) happen.
So if you support artists, art, culture, expression and freedom; your only choice is to oppose these laws and the people who represent them.
Re: Here's a question
"I buy paperbacks to read. When they're read they head straight to a charity shop."
Try that with a Kindle copy. Oh wait, you can't.
Personally I do keep a selection of hard/paper-backs in the house. Either for reference or to re-read or simply because the book holds some personal value to me.
Re: Here's a question
@Some Beggar. I did not realise you have a Kindle. How does "people who undervalue their freedom" sit with you instead?
"My kindle is chock full of non-DRM'd material that required precisely bugger all "pissing around""
For now. And it can be deleted on a whim. You do remember "1984" don't you?
"Perhaps you could ask a youth to help you navigate the tricky world of the future?"
Unlikely to help, they won't understand this antiquated concept of "freedom". Just because you don't value your freedom, doesn't mean everyone doesn't. I do not own any Apple, Amazon or Sony products precisely because I do value my freedom. Maybe that makes me a neck-beard to you, more fool you.
You forget - USA law is above all other law. Or so the USA likes to think...
"Motorola will be held to its promise to make its standard essential patents available on fair and reasonable terms,"
And this is why FRAND is not a substitute for Open Standards. Are you paying attention gov.uk?
As much as I love to see MS getting a boot in the balls (which they so richly deserve for their anti-open, anti-standards policies) these patents are getting way out of hand. Time they were rescinded.
...the Flying Spaghetti Monster is suing Apple, HTC, Google, HP, ASUS, this professor, the inventor of the push-button and those hand-graphic arrow signs for infringing on the FSMs patent for a "jointed pointing device, powered by the users own body, and located as an array at the end of directional appendages".
Seriously - patents are getting used way too much by way too many people and this is simply diluting whatever validity justifiable patents may have.
Re: Here's a question
"How likely is an Amazon catastrophe?"
Today, right now? Slim. Tomorrow? Well, did you hear about Pan Am? Big companies do fail y'know. And not only that, what if Amazon "upgrade" the DRM to something more active then they have an outage. "Kindle says 'No'" perhaps?
My point is, anyone buying a Kindle (or any similar device that can only read proprietary standards, let alone DRM'd ones) is an idiot. The competitors (e.g. Kobo Touch) can at least read ePubs without pissing around in "Calibre" or similar.
Here's a question
The Kindle et al are DRM'd, what happens to people's "books" if Amazon go out of business or have some kind of major infrastructure issue. Are the public able to get access to the key or otherwise retain the use of the media they have bought (e.g. by contacting the original publisher)?
Or do the public have to go out and buy their "books" again?
Re: Why so irrelevant Microsoft?
Picked at random: http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-2720-fold (this predates the patent claim by about a year)
The e-ink screen is merely an implementation detail. If these are now patentable, then that is absurd.
Of course it's patentable. Yours was probably two LCD screens. This is e-Ink. Totally different.
And low power. Totally and utterly different.
It's even curved at the to. Totally, utterly and unbelievably different.
How dare you suggest the the professionals at the USPTO give out patents for nothing. Just how very dare you! Why, that if attacking a vital organ of the capitalist system. Are you some kind of commie terrorist?
"...backed by Google co-founder Larry Page, Google chairman Eric Schmidt, Google board member K.Ram Shriram..."
"...the company has a Facebook page..."
Proof, if it were needed, that G+ is a dead duck.
Re: I'm impressed
"ist gen Sandisk Sansa case back too. 2005/6 ish"
Whoa - I got me one of those! And I still prefer it to an iPod.
Re: New Web Designers
OMG! Deport him to Guantanamo! He's looking at the HTML!!!!!!!!!! (froth, seethe). And that quote is from Auntie who is supposed to be getting behind teaching kids to code. They need a boot in the balls. Then again, editing a URL is an offence in the UK (I shit you not - I remember just such a story from a few years ago).
What kind of utter moron does dev work on the PUBLIC server anyhoo?
Re: macros VB for apps?
"Is programming macros not programming?"
No - it is an abhorrence to all that is good an proper in the world.
"Do some fundamentals, i.e. core office skills for everybody"
Yes, teach the fundamentals. Not "How to push buttons in Word" but the actual fundamentals. "This is what a mail merge *is*", "This is what a database *is* and we use it to drive a mail merge" etc.
As Andrew said above, using Excel to do NPV or regression analysis is not the important bit. The NPV or regression analysis is.
There is far, far to much teaching of button-pushing and nothing about the actual fundamentals (and how to tinker).
Re: I did Latin
"Should Latin or computing be included - and if so at the expense of what?"
Children have parents and guardians. If they feel that Latin (or anything else) is important, and not provided by the school, then those parents and guardians can solve the problem themselves.
Kids are not afraid
Adults assume the kids are because the adults are afraid. Always.
In my experience, if you show a kid how anything works (be that code, an engine or martial arts technique) they almost immediately become fascinated and begin to want to tinker with it. This tinkering may or may not lead to a life-long obsession/career, but it is never met with fear.
Only adults know fear of the kind implied because adults are taught that failure is bad. Kids don't know that yet.
Should coding be compulsory? Maybe.
Should promoting an understanding of how things work that it's OK to tinker and how to tinker safely be compulsory? Yes. 100%. Utterly without reservation. In the IT world this has certain ramification though; i.e. no proprietary software (as you can't tinker with that).
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