Re: Install Linux and let 'em come
"Will this run on linux?"
No, but the fact the it runs on Windows is a triumph of pig-headedness over elegant design. Even access would have been a step-up from what you describe.
3061 posts • joined 25 Mar 2008
"Will this run on linux?"
No, but the fact the it runs on Windows is a triumph of pig-headedness over elegant design. Even access would have been a step-up from what you describe.
If by "support" you mean "provide network shares and other services that Excel could consume" then the answer AIUI is "Yes".
More to the point, Excel barely supports Excel at times!
I came here to say something similar, but you can just ditch Windows and move to a GNU/Linux. There will be a lot of custom code that would need ported, assuming it can even be ported, and there may be show-stopper applications that can only run on Windows.
It might be cheaper/easier to just cough for the fees, which should have been paid anyway!
And, of course, depending on the nature of you business use MS may not demand license fees for their OS but licenses for the use of their patents; regardless of OS you are using.
I thought the law applied if the material was published in the UK? i.e. the website could be viewed here.
Isn't that why libel tourism is so lucrative?
Oz is the 52nd, the UK is the USA's bottom bitch. Although the UK has played up of late, it's going to need a bit of slapping to brought back into line.
I want a big monitor. That way I can connect any PC/device of my choosing and it will do want I want, not be locked into the maker's walled-garden.
@Lee Dowling - I find the little red/blue light a thousand times more annoying
Meant to say earlier, a little bit of black leccy tape over that front button works wonders. Now I don't get lasered in the eye when I sit down to watch the goggle-box.
@Lee Dowling - thank you very much for the detailed reply, it explains an awful lot. I may have to resort to using "modem mode" in the future in that case, which is going to be somewhat problematical.
Or drop VM and go to ADSL.
...let us connect our own modem/routers and get rid of the SuperFlub.
Heck, I'm even willing for it to be a list of "approved" devices; just so long as I can chuck Tomato or OpenWRT or something, I'll be happy. Yes, I know all about "Modem mode".
LEARN TO READ A BLOODY MAP!
GPS is convenient and good for driving along with, but dear god never totally rely on it. Map, compass, know how to use them. Not only will this give your next trip an elite SAS feel, but paper maps don't run out of batteries. They're also great fun for spreading out over a table and discussing where to go next.
Seriously...if you drive long distances, take a map.
"My arguments are perfectly valid"
What argument? All I see are some red herring statements on a totally separate topic.
"you have come out with stock dumb answers"
I think you'll find that all I have done is point out the irrelevance of your own statements.
"that with your limited intelligence"
"And all though you appear [too] dumb to realise it"
Ad hominems. This is what I mean about not being able to construct an argument.
"you have discussed your views and opinions."
I may have stated my opinions elsewhere within this forum, but I don't think I have discussed them with yourself; and I just checked, I haven't (until my recent statements, of course).
"So either preset a valid argument that is logic"
I have. I have logically and clearly deconstructed your statements and shown why they do not form a valid argument. I have managed to do this with resorting to personal slurs; something which I note you have failed to manage. A shame you feel the need to resort to such base tactics, if you would present and actual argument they would not be required.
"Ad hominem". To the man and comes in multiple forms. I assure you I can recognise a reasoned argument, I am still awaiting one from yourself. Your abusive ad hominem wasn't really a good start, nor was the straw man you then attempted and which, in my opinion, also strayed into an abusive ad hominem.
Note: I assume you are all the same AC. This may be wrong. But as you are posting AC I have no way of determining if this is one person or many.
"'I haven't presented an argument, merely pointed out that the one you provided was fallacious.'
Which obviously in itself is a good old fashioned ad hominem. Don't hate the player, hate the game."
Except for the small matter that it isn't. Pointing out that your argument is fallacious makes no comment about you as a person, belittles you or otherwise insults you; nor did I seek to put words into your mouth (as you did with me).
As for me being hypocritical, I make no claims to being perfect and at least I have the good grace to post under a handle where you can see my past history. I wouldn't go too far back though, the opinions I expressed in the past may not be the ones I hold now. See that's the thing about debate - when one's argument is shown to be weak/false it needs to be reconsidered.
In order to assist you in this matter, I shall make two simple statements:
1) Stallman raises some valid points about the Ubuntu Shopping Lens. I am not certain I agree 100% with his conclusions as he is a exponent of the slippery slope. However when it comes to matters technical, he does have an annoying habit of being rather prescient. He does at least raise many points for debate and I thought Bacon's response failed to address many of them;
2) On the other matter; I can find no reference to your claim on his Wikipedia page, I did manage to find it on his blog from 2006. On that I think he is wrong, assuming he still holds that opinion of course. You could always ask him and see what he says.
As you can see, I have also cited my sources. If you are going to make claims in the future, I suggest you do likewise.
Canoncial is a business. It needs to make money. Why is this a surprise to many in the F/OSS community? Do they thinking money pops out of thin air or something?
First thing I did was uninstall the lens. If I want to search Amazon, I'll go search Amazon; I don't need the PC to do it for me. Even with the lens, I am not worried about Amazon potentially data-mining me (won't be possible unless Canonical pass up some kind of GUID) but Canoncial could profile me.
Oh, and Mr Shuttleworth? You don't have root until I say you can have root.
"ditto for you"
I haven't presented an argument, merely pointed out that the one you provided was fallacious.
"So you support his views on pedophillia?"
Appeal to emotion. Ignored.
"I assume you would be quite happy for some adult to rape them"
Appeal to fear. Ignored.
"If not, you have no right defending him."
You have constructed a position for me which you have then attempted to tear down. Straw man. Ignored.
I have not discussed my personal views on such acts on children, nor my views on Stallman's purported opinion of such acts. l have restrained myself to pointing out that you have not yet presented a valid argument with regards the current topic; Canoncial's Shopping Lens and Stallman's assessment of that. Oh, and pointing out your fallacies.
So either present a valid argument or, as the saying goes, haud yer wheest.
@AC Appeal to emotion, appeal to fear, Reductio ad Hitlerum. Come back when you can actually construct a valid argument.
Just because RMS is wrong about one thing, does not make him wrong about another thing (I forget the name of that fallacy). Heck, Dawkins has some rather IMHO strange opinions on this subject. Does that now mean evolution is wrong, or that Dawkins is wrong about it?
RMS is a strange fish (I feel I can say that, I've met the man and spent time with him), if he were British we'd call him eccentric. He is often right on matters technical, although he does sometimes have an odd way of expressing it.
How do you think Canonical pays it's devs, testers etc? Kind wishes?
The shopping lens may well have been misjudged, it was certainly not received very well at all, but unless Canonical start making money Ubuntu (and all its derivatives) will no more. So where does Canoncial get the funds from?
OEM licensing deals? Not on the desktop (at least, not in any volume to make any real odds).
Cloud services? Possibly, but that makes them just another service player and you'll still lose your desktop.
Shuttleworth does not have infinite pockets, so where do the funds come from? It's got to come from you one way or another, so how does Canonical pay the bills?
C'mon, sensible answers, please.
"This, Sir, is demeaning to robots. I demand satisfaction!"
There's a robot for that...
Do get out more. There's a good fellow.
Get the Apple and Samsung top brass together. Add their respective legal teams.
Put them all in a large sack.
Charge the public USA$5 to beat the sack with a stick until they are exhausted.
You'll always hit the guilty party, the obese USA-ians will get some much needed exercise and you'll raise some money to boot (donate that to charity).
"The anonymous poster has no problems with tracking."
I believe it's called a "negative profile". You don't need to be on there, you just need to be tagged/mentioned in posts and can be profiled from that. FB apparently do this.
I'm not worried about the Google Death Squads or anything, I'm just worried about the creeping invasion of privacy. What used to be done in public, but was reasonable anonymous, is now open to scrutiny and potential misuse.
They track you via ads;
They track you via your email (if you use gmail);
They track you via your Kobo (see ads);
They now track you via social media;
They could track you via your mobile (and probably do is you a Google Maps or something running).
Am I being paranoid or there just too much of a threat from Google these days?
"I see people who do hard physical work outside in freezing weather who don't complain because they are getting paid well."
I bet they'd grumble if they got injured whilst working!
Physician, heal thyself.
These are doctors - the fact they don't have the wit to sort out their own ergonomics is worrying.
"Posting as AC can be helpful in that respect. Posting as AC doesn't necessarily mean that the poster is a troll or a shill."
This site does not run a real-name policy, no force you to use some global ID like G+, Facebook, OpenID or whatever. So the only reasons for posting AC are:
1) To troll - and one doesn't want the trolling to be linked to their actual handle; or
2) To shill - and one doesn't want that to be easily traced via post history.
Yes, one could use sock-puppet accounts etc.; I completely agree. So until someone can give me an actual good reason for AC (and I don't buy anything I've read so far) I shall continue to dismiss ACs as troll/shill.
And if I wanted to karma-whore, I'd align my handle here with what I use elsewhere; but I can't be arsed.
"Windows is crap"
It is. I use Windows every day and feel qualified to state that it is crap. And Win8 is more crap than Win7. If you want some balance - GNU/Linux isn't perfect either; nothing is.
"You can do that in Linux (then usually qualified with things like "I'm sure" or "can pretty much bet"."
It may surprise you, but I don't have time to go around and test every aspect of Windows emulation on every DE on every distribution. Also if I haven't tried something myself, I don't like stating it as a fact.
My current DE is similar, but not identical to, Windows. I am fairly sure, but have conducted no tests, that any Windows user could use it. There are, of course, differences out of necessity, e.g. workspace switcher, window controls in different place (I could move them, but I like them where they are), different Super-key behaviours (again, I could change these but I don't need to). And that's before we get into the differences caused by the filesystem, but again these could be dealt with, I just haven't bothered.
"Not exactly likely to inspire confidence in the people you want to convert, though it will go over well here, so it's a nice safe thing to do isn't it?"
So Eadon writes off posts they don't like as "shill", and you write off posts you don't like as "preaching to the choir"? A bit hypocritical, no?
"The thing is if you continue to think that anyone who disagrees with you is a shill (incidentally see the house rules about that) you're just going to alienate people"
I don't. I think anyone who posts as AC is probably a shill or a troll (note: I haven't accused you of being a shill). It is so easy to create a new account/handle that there is no need for AC IMHO. And as evidence to that I cite you stating you can't tell if Eadon or I are one and the same (we're not, but then I would say that).
"Wrong. I'm neither. Dunno about other ACs."
Right. There is no real name policy here. You could call yourself "Galactic Wombat" for all the difference it makes. AC accounts have no use on this site except for shills and trolls.
@Eadon - Agreed.
Considering just the graphical aspects (which is what most people probably will) Win8 and Ubuntu (one of the main GNU/Linux distros) suffer from the same problem; a desktop/tablet schizophrenia. In Ubuntu a few workflows might have to change, but annoyances remain (two clicks to switch a workspace for example). In Win8 it is just freakin' gawd-awful. The whole schism as it switches to desktop mode just shows how badly thought out it is.
At least on vanilla Ubuntu I can install another DE (MATE or whatever) should Unity not be to my taste and I can't be pretty damned sure all the important stuff will work. And if it doesn't? Use another. Or configure that one to is does work how I want.
On Win8? Meh, I'm screwed. I must follow the dikats of their UI people and be-damned to my work flow or muscle memory.
"Oh, but switching to GNU/Linux needs sooooooo much training." Not it doesn't. Just have one person fiddle with it and make it look Windows-y enough and I can pretty much bet the team will hardly notice (there are other factors I agree).
As to our AC shill, they are either that or a troll. Never reply to an AC, those accounts only exist fro shills/trolls. It's not like this place has a "real name" policy or something.
@Steve - the newer Samsung's look a little bit Apple-y; I think it's just the aluminium body. There's also a project running to get GNU/Linux stable on them, if that gains more traction I would seriously consider one as the Samsung's seem like nice kit for the price.
I wonder what their refund policy on the unwanted Windows license is?
@AC - "MS require that Secure Boot be able to be switched off, in order to get an "it work with Win8" sticker/certifiaction."
Wrong. This only applies to x86. ARM is locked down tighter than a gnats arse.
"would you buy a computer you couldn't install another OS on? I certainly wouldn't."
So you are never buying an ARM device running Win8?
"That's not to mention anti-trust legislation."
And that remains our last hope in keeping MS at bay. And Google for that matter.
Try John Lewis or Tesco. Everything they had in there was infected with Win8.
And this is the reason for the boot-lock down and inability to install (or obstacles to installing) what you want; forced obsolescence. With all the servers/codes/etc locked away and held proprietary, one the services switch to the "new, improved version" you are out of luck and have to buy the new shiny.
Haven't we also see stories about Win8 flying off the shelves? PR puffs about how people are selling their grannies into slavery just so they can afford Win8 because it's just that good?
And now this about Win8 not being enough to boost sales?
Which is it El Reg?
Of course, not the I personally want to touch Win8, unless it's with an install disc and MS have seen fit to ensure that's nigh-on impossible.
I see no posts with any real meat, just lots of "look at my blog!" crap and heaps of flashing pictures (some NSFW). I guess the flashing pictures and squares ties in with the Win8 tiles.
"Blacks don't like work. Not hiring 'em"
"The Irish don't like work. Not hiring 'em"
"Woman will just get pregnant and expect a free holiday. Not hiring 'em"
"Old people are set in their way. Not hiring 'em"
"Young people just want to do drugs and laze around. Not hiring 'em"
"Oh....why do I have no employees?"
Prejudice comes in all forms and whilst an iPhone might indicate a privileged background, it could also have been a prize. Even if they were born with a silver-spoon in their mouths, not all toffs are wastes of space (those become MPs). What you have to look at is the person in front of you.
So if you have Herman Barington-Smythe Fauntilory III in the chair with his personal driver sat at reception, but they are the best <insert job> applicant you have ever had and they seem keen; they you would be a blithering idiot not to hire them.
Apple sues Google-by-proxy (Samsung et al)
Google sues MS
MS sues Apple and Google
Apple sues MS
And so on.
Can't they see that this round-robin of idiocy doesn't do anyone any favours (bar the legal team)? How much money would they actually lose in just stopping this madness and how much would be saved? In that saving, factor in no longer having a management distract by yet another bloody court case.
F/OSS may not be perfect, but at least they (rarely) waste time suing the pants off all-and-sundry. (Minor exceptions for GPL enforcement etc).
Replying to myself...
And that's the problem. OEMs seem to assume (for whatever reason) that GNU/Linux should only be a budget option and it's that which irks me. Just like a Windows user, we'd quite like to buy some semi-decent kit. Now whether this is just ignorance on the part of OEMs, basic economics or some MS imposed conspiracy to keep Linux at bay - I dunno. I doubt it's the latter, but rumours keep appearing and OEM licensing pressure.
What I don't get is why OEMs cannot just offer a "No OS" option on all products. That would do me.
@JDX - Cheapskates? Hardly. I am willing to pay for a laptop with GNU/Linux pre-installed. I am even willing to pay a (small) premium due to economies of scale. I am just not will to pay for that turd.
Give me an ASUS Q200E with a working GNU/Linux install and I'm a happy man. But no, they are only shipping the X201E with GNU/Linux and it has had some features ripped out/downgraded for apparently no reason.
It this another ruse by Dell? Sell an over-priced and under-spec'd machine to then claim "Oh look Linux is shit. It didn't sell). And I'll believe it is available in the UK when I see it. Probably for £1,500 too, given Dell's pricing structure.
I wish I had IP6, I'd love to see the colour version.
For whatever hat-stand reason, I have this on Ubuntu 10.10 as well.
Vivaldi and PengPod, System76, Novatech, ZaReason...there may be others.
@JDX - I have seen my first gold badge! Well done sir/madam.
As to Apple, the Dutch judge should just have shown the pertinent clip from a recent Torvalds speech and the dismissed the case.
Ah yes, that's because my CV says "Mr. BigYin" on it. Plus I list the handles I use on the sites because I am just that freakin' awesome!
Actually I don't think I want to work for someone who doesn't understand that when you are bashing your forehead off the desk, it can sometimes be helpful to think about something else for 5 mins. And if I did work for something like that, they'd get 9-5, work-to-rule and the current overtime I do for free would be time-and-half, double on weekend and holidays.
btw - nice bronze you got there. :)
Hmm...all I can find is "Withdraw"
Apparently there is a 5 minute window in which a post can be edited (if yer a silver badger)
That true? Where is the option then?