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Er, you might like to have mentioned that SmartOS is based on Illumos, and that Illumos is coming along at a very rapid and impressive clip.
Wrong - it ain't free
The entitlement is no longer free - Solaris is now only supported beyond the evaluation period by an entitlement that has come with a new Oracle system, or, a support contract. It's no longer a perpetual RTU nor a free entitlement.
"Please remember, your right to use Solaris acquired as a download is limited to a trial of 90 days, unless you acquire a service contract for the downloaded Software."
Oracle has apparently made this change under the radar and without any public announcement.
BTW - I sure hope I am completely wrong on this.
Yah, you missed something alright :D
@AC re: Sun Ray
Precisely. Nothing new, at least not that I can see reading this article.
Sorry, but this is old hat, pure and simple. Nice that someone else would at least try and deliver a stateless thin client (which I think is what the author was getting at), but seriously, I'm more inclined to go with hardware, software and storage integrated from one vendor (Sun/Oracle) than bits and pieces from multiple vendors.
RE: Intelligent responses
Sarah Bee FTW :)
Speaking of which, where's the FTW icon?
BTW, xVM Server has been folded into xVM Ops Centre:
"With all the interest in Eco/Green computing we expect a lot of buzz around this. However, the most interesting item is the release of a set of comprehensive x64 hypervisor management functions. Ops Center can now:
* Provision the xVM Server hypervisor onto bare metal servers. It can do these completely "hands off" and it can do this for multiple servers simultaneously. It does all required network setup and plumbing as well (a major hurdle for our EA customers)
* Creation of VM guests and provisioning of images to those guests (either via ISO install or network install)
* Guest snapshotting and backup
* VMDK file format support and import of VMware Virtual Appliances
* NFS and CIFS network storage support for guest and ISO images
* Live migration of guests from one host to another
* Virtual Pool constructs for policy automation across hypervisor hosts based on load, as well as automatic failure recovery
Ops Center 2.1 includes a bundled xVM Server beta that is available to all Ops Center customers, and we will be running a formal beta program with key, interested customers to ensure this works reliably and at scale for real enterprise deployments. If you are of of the existing hundreds of xVM Ops Center 1.0, 1.1, 2.0 or Sun Connection customer then you're eligible to upgrade to Ops Center 2.1 (which includes the xVM Server beta) for free. "
And, the guts of xVM Server is in OpenSolaris:
Again, this would have actually required a little research on your part. The sources aren't exactly obscure, either.
"The fact is: this is what our sources are saying."
So, in other words, the fact is you are still presenting rumours as fact.
Thanks for clearing that up. I'm still with AC1 and 2 on this one, however.
Or, if you were actually halfway serious about it...
You would run Sun Ray or a similar thin client solution.
@ Adam aka AC
"Isn't that what you guys are doing here, why is every post someone trying to advertise SUN products, be it ZFS, Dtrace, OpenSolaris..."
"You obviously all work for SUN or are heavily reliant on them for your business hence the AC."
Some probably do/are, some probably don't/aren't, some probably don't give a fig either way.
Oh, and until such time *you* put your first and last name to a comment, then you are no different to an Anonymous Coward yourself.
"The talks - publicly at least, are off"
Sorry but the "talks" were never public to begin with.
This whole affair has been based on and sourced from rumours, speculation and conjecture from the same "unnamed sources". How is this even considered fair and balanced journalism in the tech sector?
Amazing stuff, this...how do you say...internets.
Well said Matt Bryant above, Sun aren't disappearing anytime soon.
As for the conferences and flights etc, weren't Sun supposed to replacing and augmenting this stuff with Second Life and Wonderland anyhow?
Yeah, been climbing for a while now. Java FX, Solaris 10 update 6 (ZFS root!!), OpenSolaris 2008.11, updates to VirtualBox, Sun Storage 7000 machines, mid-range SPARC64 machine and T3120 just around the corner, and Sun Ray software 4.1 - totally, totally spoiled on cool stuff from Sun over the last few months and no way it could have been ignored for long :)
Who is this Zemlin dork?
He sounds like a Bill O'Reilly-type attention whore. Who in their right mind wants to see any kind of "two horse race" amongst OSs in this day and age? If he's not concerned about Sun then why is he (in the piece referred to and the other mid-2008 piece of FUD he wrote) crowing so loudly about it?
I know exactly why - because he's scared shitless about them. There are very good reasons I ditched Linux and moved to Solaris and OpenSolaris last year.
Tux can blow me.
So long Linux...
...it's been real. With 2008.11 the desktop environment is now usable enough to ditch the two Ubuntu boxen I've been using thus far. Now it (and Windows) will live in Virtualbox from here on.
ZFS and Solaris Zones are just waayyy too good to miss out on, between that and random bullshit such as Linux kernel udpdates breaking shit every other week, and the uber-crap mess of documentation (compared to Sun's centralised and beautifully formatted and authored set of docs) it just isn't worth it anymore.
Funny thing is as far as this whole attempted "Mac OSX-ification" of Ubuntu, OpenSolaris has them beat all over. The default 2008.11 themes are beautiful, and fit/finish is great - features not lost in the Ars Technica review at least.
FoxBox looks fantastic
One of your own contributing writers on the JFX preview not more than four months ago:
"The demos available online are similarly underwhelming...find your way through the bizarre javafx.com website (which obeys no usability guidelines) and you may eventually stumble upon their demos page..two extremely minimal demos...the poster-child demo involves some underwhelming squares being drawn - the sort of thing that could be done in Flash years ago... "
So, now we have a multi-video and multi-audio-stream applet that can be dragged out of the browser, placed on the desktop without so much as a glitch - with respect, it's obvious to me that you're doing your best to blow off the clearly quite considerable advances JFX has made in the intervening months. How about some kudos where it's due, hmm? :)
I was left extremely impressed by the JFX 1.0 demos - looks like Sun has come out of left field to land a serious contender for the RIA devlopment crown.
BTW, now that JFX 1.0 has been delivered, I wonder we can all make an effort to quit moaning/continuing to use "JFX is late to the game" as a criticism :)
ps: screw Flash!
"Let us know what you think. ®"
I think it sucks. This confirms all the fears I had about this production, that they were going to sex the whole thing up to the detriment of what the original goddamn concept was to begin with. Truly a Trek movie to suit the present age.
Although, I regret to say, I will probably be compelled to see it, being a Trekker and all...
Agreed - and the arse-kicking new Sun Storage boxes probably don't help them. Dave HItz on his blog blathering on about hybrid storage boxen, meanwhile Sun have actually delivered, and used SSD in a pretty far-out way to boot.
"Sun is the number one Open Source vendor in the world. It takes a while to move from closed to open. Give them time. They'll get there! No one knows how to price out this stuff yet. If Sun was a start up, their market cap would be 10 Billion. As it is, they actually generate cash and have an existing customer base... go figure..."
Well said sir! I agree completely :)
Well done Matt
You've successfully condensed your multi-thousand comments entries into seven words and kept your essential message precisely the same. Keep it up. The tips of your fingers will love you for it, as well as my eyeballs for not having to scroll past all your guff in the search for other actual meaningful comments from other posters.
Later, we'll work on the flypaper response you have to anything posted on El Reg concerning Sun.
re: Second Job
Never mind Matt dude, he's a troll. He once claimed to offer hardcore technical insight along with this posts and blah blah, but I'll say it again; he's about as trollish as Webster Phreaky. Just less entertaining :-)
Oh, and nice news about Blackbox BTW, thank you Reg.
Screw 'em both
I''ll wait for JavaFX thanks very much.
@ Anonymous Coward and Matt Bryant
AC: Vista Sucks.
MB: You're like the Webster Phreaky of Sun or something, really :)
I see your Schwartz is bigger than mine
Meh, I'm a recent Sun convert and I got a good feeling about the future. It was actually through Apple (ZFS + OS X) I got to know anything about who they are and what they did, prior to that I didn't really have a clue. After years of tearing my hair out dealing with Apple and Wintel+MS kit (well, not so much the Apple kit, but certainly the latter!!), how refreshing it's been to dabble in the products and culture of a completely different company.
Thanks to Sun's openness, as a UNIX newbie wanting to leverage myself out of my desktop support role, I've been able to get my hands on some amazing products and technologies which either have no peer, or, would be impractical cost-wise to try any other way. Can't think of any other company where this would have been possible. Just about to purchase my first entry level server to run my projects using Solaris 10 + ZFS, and Sun Ray Server Software - and it'll be wearing the Sun badge on the front, for sure.
In spite of all the bitching about Jonathan's management and his blog etc I think image-wise he's valuable to Sun. He's a generation removed from the Jobs, Ballmers etc, certainly more approachable and charismatic, with a real sense of humour to boot. Jobs is an autocrat, Ballmer certifiably insane...and other big tech CEOs to end users such as myself are pretty much invisible. I think having someone as comparatively young and dynamic at the helm gives the outfit a positive vibe. I really feel the company is going exciting places, and genuinely doing exciting stuff. I don't get that vibe from HP, Dell, MS etc. At all.
Certainly when looking at the Sun Ray stuff for example (marvellous!) it's surprising just how many of my colleagues in senior IT roles are blissfully unaware of its existence or the company that makes it.
It's very paper-like plastic :-)
And I see the "arse-bandit", ahem, crack, has already been made. Curses.
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