98 posts • joined 18 Feb 2008
"With the packaged hardware, and higher specs, a much friendlier development environment could be used: Java."
Great now I can spend the whole afternoon defending C++ for cross platform development to management again.
"But on the register they say Java is key to the success of Android."
Re: It is running Windows 8?
"You have no real source level compatibility between Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8."
Maybe not for the UI but you can share the Business Logic and for some apps you might get away with sharing the viewmodel. But that depends.
In case you're really interested and not just trolling: http://vimeo.com/53068482
And I read somewhere more and more APIs are being merged.
Re: Samsung took over the Nokia market
They produce great hardware relatively cheap. That's at least why I sometimes buy Samsung. Nothing less nothing more.
He has a point
Me personally I like some things of windows 8. It's faster, the tiles are nice and it doesn't get in the way when I am working.
But still soo many people need to tell me that it sucks, that MS is evil etc... When I ask them whether they've used it it's either no or yes I have played with it.
The problem with older devs
is that they are 'harder' to motivate.
I guess most devs regardless of age like to do something new and challenging. Problem is a lot of the work that needs to be done isn't new or challenging unless you're not very experienced.
Also older devs tend to look right through management pep-talk and might have become cynical.
Looking for an easy solution? Blame it on somebody else
I doubt it's really all about Windows 8. Take a look at the hardware and see what's on offer for a given price point. And then I am not even mentioning all those dissapointing 1.366 x 768 notebooks. I doubt people will buy those with android or no android.
So proud we sack them.
I guess sometimes it's better to shut up.
Re: Azure now has a dozen users, up from 6 two years ago!
The thing is that that coffeeshop probably had a cashflow problem. Microsoft hasn't.
Re: Azure now has a dozen users, up from 6 two years ago!
I wouldn't mind having a revenue growing 3x.
I can imagine you don't like Microsoft nor their products. But these kind of comments are helping no one. If it would do one thing it's proving that microsoft haters can be irrational and childish. I already feel sorry for the other MS haters here.
A UI for each platform is the best option if you want to go for quality.
That being said it's also the most expensive option.
So if you're developping an in house LOB app for phones - you know why - it might be better to go for an affordable shared mediocre UI.
used it the past few days
And quite liked it.
Three.js camera has a property called 'rotation' well blame me but I assumed it was a Matrix.
Off course running the script showed me it was supposed to be 3 angles stuffed in a vector.
So what I did was create a declaration for camera and matrix and I won't make wrong assumptions anymore.
If three.js was a decent C++ or JAVA or whatever library I wouldn't have encountered this issue.
What about Dart you say? I'll use it when it replaces JS.
What about Coffeescript? This is good but it has way different syntax and the tooling story isn't that great. Refactor.Rename in Coffeescript?
just saying. I find this 'language' useful because I like static types with some dynamic options when needed.
Re: pretending any of it was his idea
Developers don't determine what platform consumers buy.
Re: I'm so glad I work in Unix server programming
Some users like fancy UI's. While it's perfectly possible to create a fancy UI using Win32 there are more ways of doing it wrong than right.
Even If all you need is a command line app some things are faster done in C# than C++.
The right tool for the job.
I don't get it.
Isn't there enough ice left for really big icebergs?
Did it all melt then?
So GW is a fact?
So what is this article saying?
@Paul: Win7 cant even run all XP games
My student projects which were using DX7 on Win 2K still run fine on Win7.
Both at home and at work I never encountered an issue with backwardscompatability on MS unless it's about drivers.
The other day I upgraded a windows 98 based db for a non profit to a Win 7 pc: no problems. (Well I had trouble transfering the software because the win98 pc didn't have an USB port and it's floppy drive was non functional.)
So which games are you talking about actually?
All hype anyway
This statement 'it's clear why PHP and Python are generally preferred to older languages like Java and .Net' is wrong.
Python is much older than java & .NET.
All languages are continuously improved anyway.
What you're seeing is that less performant languages take over jobs from more difficult high performance languages.
* we have to deliver more features faster.
* Processing power is continuing to become cheaper
* Management is all on twitter and facebook eductating itself on technologies.
A good developer chooses the right tool for the job. This taking into account technological facts but also company strategy. (Who will have to support this code after me.)
Win8 probably aint bad...
...and long overdue for tablets but for a desktop user there are no reasons to chose it over Windows 7.
I really cannot imagine someone buying an upgrade from vista or 7 to 8 and definately not for the amount of money that they are charging.
"Many remain in the dark as to how programming for this thing will work." Euhm Install the developer tools and get programming?
I don't get it at all
Disclaimer. I am just a simple developer who has been writing code for 15 years, some of this are API's that are being used by some our customers.
So I know that creating a good API takes time and effort. It's easy to misinterprete function and parameter names and nobody ever wants to read the documentation. You have to take special care when you create the interfaces. Since it takes time to create something it should be worth something no?
Why not compare it with a writer who writes a book or a musician who writes a song?
Anyway I don't really like Java nor Oracle, but SUN spent time on creating it and it should be worth something unless they give it away. Oracle bought SUN so now they own Java.
Simple as that.
What am I missing?
And what's that stuff about a sqrt that always returns zero? Seriously are they debating at that level?
Also I don't understand the google everything-should-be-for-free attitude. Like the register pointed out before they can only do this because they have vast advertising income. That's very scary to me since they could waste normal software vendors.
Re: Needs native support
If they don't have the resources then nobody has them.
I would think that for a game all the artwork is where the real effort is.
Rewriting such a simple game in C# or XNA shouldn't be that hard.
Soudn more like negotiating the contract with MS via the press.
Yes because that one had excellent C++ template support. NOT!
While I agree the original Visual Studio .NET wasn't very good 2003, 2005, 2008 and 2010 all bring their share of improvements to the table
There's this ancient technology they call books, I've heard it's good if you want to learn more on a specific subject. They even sell them online these days.
Re: C vs java
If your C code is slower than java you don't know what you're doing.
Glad you're sticking to Java.
Samsung Wave I
Well I bought a Samsung Wave 1,5 year ago mainly because it had great hardware, was considerably cheaper than the Galaxy S and was a tad smaller.
When I do check the application store there's little there that looks interesting. But to be honest I am not really interested in app beyond the stock ones.
There's a bada sdk and IDE based on eclipse. Developer interest in the west seems to be minimal and even waning. Have a look at www.badadev.com
Attacking IIS is something different than a SQL injection attack.
These ISP's will like this
Given that they happen to also sell content via 'their' cable and that in Belgium there's little or no competition.
Your dad sounds like a smart man.
I seriously thought this was a new API for their new programming language. But of course those are called Dart & Go, not Google++ and definately not Google+.
Phew confusing. They should have come up with a better name like Googlike or FaceGoo or something.
Article about Touchpad not being underpowered
C# is 10 years old.
WTF Are you smoking?
C# is 10 years old.
It's now on version 4 and every version was an improvement of the previous.
And you don't have to develop in C#, you can chose!
C++, F#, VB(god forbid) chose whatever you want.
And you don't have to rewrite anything. 15 years ago I wrote a small skinnable app using Win32 & C++. It still runs fine. If I wanted I could still write software like that.
Anyway I haven't seen a new true language being promoted the last 10 years let alone every 2 please enlighten me.
@Robert E A Harvey
I feel your pain having it experienced it myself too. I would also prefer MS to support their own choices better eg. port SL to iOS & android. Luckily I hadn't had to deal with the office API's yet ;)
But it's a bit harsh saying you waste time learning stuff.
The first API is hard to learn, but isn't the 2nd much easier? I would think that the more you know the bigger your frame of reference becomes and the easier it becomes to learn new stuff.
Ooh and about the 1995 statement, I mentioned it in a previous comment but you CAN still do win 32 & C++ on windows. It will run bloody fast too. It's just that most people including me got lazy and chose the easier route.
Runs 'Native' on Windows, compiles to something that works a bit on non windows.
Ever considered it's your code and not .NET or WPF?
Switching to Macs or iOS?
Are they really going to sacrifice VS 2010 or try and compete with Adobe CS?
On the other hand the developers in this forum do behave like drama queens.
C++ vs all the other
C++ is the best language ever when I am writing the code.
When I am reading somebody elses code it sucks.
(10+ years experience in offshoring)
Just like everybody else I want to be able to listen to all my music anywhere.
Just like everybody else I think some music is better than other.
Just like everybody else I am not going to pay twice or thrice for songs that I play maybe once a year.
Calling an in game shopping cart an 'invention' is what I would call a sham.
If I as a developer had to stop and think about that then I wouldn't get any work done.
java-> Oops Oracle might do this and that
iOS-> Oops Steve might not like what I am doing here.
Android -> Oops google might change its API's
Besides I think MonoTouch is a great way to get your applications ported to both android and iOs.
This is an engineer doing what he loves doing. And you're a politician.
To each his own.
So you get adds from google at the bottom of the screen and adds from amazon at the top?
Not really something I am waiting for.
This guy will like this...
But do they really want to?
It's not because you can that it's a good idea. I guess .NET developers are happy with Azure, java developers with Google AppEngine or the Amazon AWS. Why would a Java developer move to Azure taken into account that they generally are not fond of .NET or MS. Why would MS bother given the small chance on success.
50mb download takes you half an hour?
Downloads crashing your pc?
I wouldn't blame it on .NET but on your daughters PC.
BTW with .NET4 there's a client profile developers can use that requires a smaller than 50mb download.
Not just a header file
I don't know about you but I spend quite of time thinking about interfaces and what has to end up in the header and what not. Maybe I cannot copyright it but there's at least some creativity involved.
Actually getting your header files and interfaces right is an art.
If you're not proud about you're header files then I don't like to use your code.
So we can copy your headers
and create rocket 2.0 by adding adds.
or am I missing something?
"it would make more sense if it built HTML applications that would run across multiple devices."
No it doesn't. If you're creating LOB apps in a MS corporate environment SL is still the way to go. At the company where I work we see that HTML applications take on average 20% more resources than SL applications.
"future investment would be focused on integrating Windows applications with web services."
Which is what most smartphones, tablets seem to be heading these days. Isn't it ironic?
IMO Strong companies do both and choose the tech best suited for the job, not the one that is being hyped.
Qt is older than WP7
and a cross platform toolkit. It's comparing apples to oranges.
Qt is an SDK, WP7 a platform.
Add Silverlight and XNA to the graph and we'll talk again.
QT is for C++
WP7 has silverlight and XNA.
Since you cannot do C++ on WP7 QT doesn't make sense.
Unless you want to do cross platform development. But that's not what these mobile platforms are very good at. Objective C(iOS) <> Java(droid) <> .NET (WP7)
no problem on .NET
at least not for this value. ;)
Well I don't think you should blame microsoft for the itanium debacle. Have you ever considered buying an itanium? Ever looked at the price or the die size of a chip?
AMD64 allowed to cheaply cross the 2GB memory limit of 32bit windows that and marketing was the demise of the itanium.
Same is true about windows on alpha, awesome platform, used it for development for a couple of years and it really was rocksolid and outperformed the intels we had at the time. But our customers all used intel and then amd came along and the rest as they say is history.
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