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Don't let no-hire pact suit witnesses call Steve Jobs a bullyboy, plead Apple and Google

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Re: Let's see...

Didn't he make Woz sob years later when Woz found out the Steve screwed him out of some money 30 years early? (by lying about how much they were going to get paid)

It seems to me that whatever opinion of Steve Jobs the public might have had, that the reality was probably 4 times worse (I mean, he screwed over the guy that was solely responsible for him becoming rich). Should the jury being made aware of the "lack" of character Jobs had when deciding whether or not he was threatening the Palm CEO, yes, I believe they should.

Sounds like he was a world-class douche when he was alive.

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Mounties always get their man: Heartbleed 'hacker', 19, CUFFED

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Re: "untraceable"

In reality I have no idea whether or not he did it, but how hard would it be for some anonymous hacker to drive around until they find an access-point they can crack in 5 minutes (WPS exploit), crack it, execute the heartbleed exploit, and because the hacker also now has access to the unsuspecting person's local NAT, just put some "evidence" in a shared folder somewhere. The real perpetrator would get away scot-free, and the police would just stop looking.

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One Win 8 to rule them all: Microsoft talks up 'universal apps' for PCs, slabs and mobes

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Re: Sinfofsky

Sinfofsky, he's that bastard that basically broke Microsoft. He broke every design he touched and the fact that his ego wouldn't allow him to think he could ever do anything wrong caused the GUI nightmares were are all still dealing with.

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So, we can expect Java-like sadness.

Everything runs so much better when it's not written to run on specific hardware. I like to run Windows programs with Wine on my Linux OS running in Hyper-V on my Windows OS because of the wonderful speed increases virtualizing brings. Assembly language is slow. Java is great and faster than natively compiled code (plus it works better and uses less memory).

//end of alternate bizaro universe rant

So I expect that any "Hello world" program written for their unified system with end up being 200mb once the dependent libraries are compiled in. Would you expect anything less from the company that brought us "Touchscreen Server 2012"?

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Microsoft's Windows 8.1 updates also tweak Windows Server 2012

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Re: Bad choice

Requires? No. But from what I've seen, it appears they have conflicting styles mixed together. It's like someone was pointing a gun at the interface designer to make them try to design it for a 4" tablet, and they just couldn't do it. Being forced to look at a crappy touchscreen interface is just as bad as requiring a touchscreen.

It. Is. a. poor. design. Do you honestly think that it is better this way? If not, then why defend something not better.

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Re: The beginning of the end of Microsoft.

Why couldn't they have just left the GUI alone and improved the things we use, like the DHCP server role, the NPS server role. Or allowed new types of objects in AD or allow different views (organizational vs geographic), not just the same ones from 95. I mean really why can't they make it so that when you setup a DHCP server, that you can setup a backup, and have the databases sync, and have the failover be automatic? No, let's put tiles on the desktop. Why not have the NPS server be able to query the DHCP server, and if there is a reservation for a MAC in there, allow it access (a DHCP reservation based MAB). No, let's get rid of the start menu. The only thing NPS is good for is pawning off authentication to a real RADIUS server. Look how long it took them to put a "Convert to reservation" feature in the DHCP server. I can tell you, 10 years. 10 years we had to script that stupid task.

The end is near, and good riddance.

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The beginning of the end of Microsoft.

As you can see by the interface for the supposed professional operating system, that the end is near for Microsoft.

Who has a touch screen on their KVMs, do they even make those? (they usually have sucky tiny trackballs for space)

If you can manage a server with a touch screen then you are probably are doing something wrong or not doing something you should be.

I mean really, how many good decisions could a company be making behind the scenes if they are releasing an OS designed to run at enterprise levels with the interface made for children and the elderly.

Let me make it perfectly clear Microsoft, I don't log into a server to check my mail, look at the news, or because I want to know what the weather outside is. I'm also pretty sure that anything I search for on the server shouldn't be sent to Bing either (whole NDA and the like).

I'm serious, who here is recommending Server 2012 to their company? (you don't get to answer if there are only 5 total people in your "company")

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Microsoft spells out new rules for exiling .EXEs

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Translation: Coming soon, no side-loading.

They're keeping us safe, from ourselves.

I only read this as brick number 1 in their soon to be coming "Walled Garden". So if you like the Apple App store you'll love this.

Soon we'll all need to be "hackers" if we want to install a 3rd party non-approved Minesweeper game.

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Is this photo PROOF a Windows 7 Start Menu is coming back?

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Arg too

I have to routinely create scripts and move all manor of files, and I feel the same way.

My "problems" are when you create a new file on a remote share, that after about 1 second, Windows8 will re-sort my newly created file still currently named "New Text Document.txt" to the N's mid-rename. That is frustrating with 9 existing documents, but it is infuriating when there are 3,000.

The second I refer to as the "Let's select everything between here and there", you can reproduce it by enabling Windows to display not only Hidden files, but also extensions. Then take any file, and rename the whole thing (extension too), now click outside of the file with a singular left click, and wallah, not only does Explorer select every thing between the file you were renaming, but it will hold the left-click button down for you. Fun. Even more fun when it selects whole bunches of files and lets you potentially move/delete/rename them accidentally at this point.

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Re: Genius Idea

I contend that a 3.5 gigabyte download EVERY time for EVERY computer because they won't release a damn ISO makes their upgrade less than free, and the neighbors I share bandwidth with on my block would agree.

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GNOME 3.12: Pixel perfect ... but homeless

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Re: Gnome?

Nope, XFCE (minus that damn Whisker menu) is the only one for me.

Otherwise known as "Application Launcher".

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Gnome?

GNOME, MATE, CINNAMON, UNITY, so many to choose from, but all I really want is the one with a damn "Start" menu. Which one of those is that, oh, that's right none of those. Call me when one of those major players releases one for a hierarchical menu junky like me. I haven't liked any Linux distro since the elusive Linux Mint 12 (XFCE). (which oddly appears to not have officially existed, except it did)

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Sick of walking into things while gawping at your iPhone? Apple has a patent app. for that

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Re: Prior Art

Not only prior art, but brutally freaking obvious in design. They don't own the patent for the screen, camera, or app running, yet using all three at once somehow grants them a patentable design? Can I patent a system for walking while using an umbrella?

WTF patent office? Not only should they not get a patent, but they should receive a fine for attempting it, and the mouth-breather that gave them the patent should be fired.

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Windows 8 BREAKS ITSELF after system restores

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Re: Is Windows 8 fundamentally broken? Yes.

I would like someone to show me how not to have Windows 8 File Manager (Explorer) highlight EVERYTHING with a blue box from where I was renaming a file, diagonally to where I clicked outside the file being renamed. They fixed it in Windows 7 (after 3 years), they fixed it in Windows 8.1, but forgot about Windows 8? FYI, XP never did this.

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Re: Is Windows 8 fundamentally broken?

Good luck mapping a Linux share with different credentials without a policy manager to allow the NTLM version the Linux box might be using under 8. (There is no gpedit.msc anymore [only in Pro]).

I don't need to "adapt" to an OS, it should be intuitive.

They have also dumbed down the interface so far down that it cripples most power users. Sure grandma can see what temperature it is outside easily, but I can't get the damn file manager to stop trying to re-sort my details view on the mapped share long enough to rename the new file I just created, "Sure Windows I'll wait for you to finish, and then go look for where you've sorted it to, I'm guessing it will be somewhere under "N" again.

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Re: This issue occurs because ..(Windows 8.x sucks)

I can tell you what I experienced last week, I had 8.1 Pro, I updated my firmware, and then my machine started blue screening or completely freezing up (even in safe mode). In the end I had to format, and reload 8 again (no 8.1 for me anymore), and the freeze ups and BSOD went away.

To add insult to injury I had a 17 gb partition, and 9 gigs of that was free, I tried to use my custom 5 gb restore image I had made after the initial load and after the updates to 8.1 Pro, and all the stupid wizard would tell me was that I didn't have enough space to complete the restore. It NEVER told me how much I needed to free up to be able to properly apply my restore, so after 3 attempts to free up more space, I just started over. (never-mind the fact that you cannot simply point to a .WIM restore image on a 2nd partition, it HAS to be on a network share or removable media, period.)

Had it been a hardware issue related to the firmware update, the fresh install wouldn't have fixed it.

I am avoiding the update to 8.1 as it caused a lot of compatibility issues the first time around (especially things that want to interact with video).

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Elon Musk slams New Jersey governor over Tesla direct sales ban

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Re: if it was owned by Toyota

The owner "Big Tex" would simply be called Jeff Smith again, and instead of Jeff taking all the risk and keeping all of the profits, Toyota would be taking the risk, keeping the lion's share of any profits and Jeff would make salary.

I completely agree, The only thing New Jersey loses with Telsa selling directly to the customers is that the "Big Tex"s of the state might feel the pinch (from them not being able to pinch us all in a barrel anymore).

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"professional petroleum transfer engineer"

FYI, those are still REQUIRED in Oregon to pump your gas, you are not allow to do it yourself.

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Europe approves common charger standard for mobe-makers

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USB plugs are in superposition

"More like you try to put it in one way, doesn't go, flip it 180 degrees, try again, nope still doesn't work, flip it 180 degrees again and (finally!) it goes in."

That is because both the normal USB and the microUSB plug exist in a state of "Superposition" and the end must be physically observed at in order to "set" just what state the plug will be. That is why it always works on the 3rd try.

Little know fact: USB plugs in the 3rd position will try to plug into Ethernet ports by default.

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Earth's night-side gets different kinds of neutrinos from day-side

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Re: Let's see- Smirnoff, Wolfenstein?

I agree, why couldn't the lower energy neutrinos have come from space? I think what you said in your last sentence would go along way to eliminating the possibility that they are just space-borne lower energy odd neutrinos. Hell, why can't we make a small-scale neutrino detector, make it space-borne, and send it out Voyager style.

Afterthought, couldn't you build a neutrino "shield" below a neutrino detector by generating huge amounts of neutrinos from side by side mounted high energy lasers. Basically increasing the likelihood that any neutrino that may have passed through the other side of the Earth would collide with the perpendicular "wall" of neutrinos under the detector, and then better proving that it didn't simply originate from space? If that would indeed work, couldn't you build "shields" completely around a detector and shoot neutrinos from a moving source on the opposite side of the Earth through the Earth directly at the detector, and allow only neutrinos from that direction into the detector, kind of like a neutrino x-ray machine for mapping the different densities inside of the Earth.

I may have watched too much SyFy channel and a little too much to drink last night.

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Alibaba float could make Facebook's look like small change

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Re: I always thought it was some sort of search aggregator

That's exactly what I've always thought.

It seemingly has everything. Need a "Werewolf themed kidney dialysis machine", Alibaba will comeback saying they have 12 from three vendors. I got in the habit of adding -alibaba to every search I made.

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Straight to 8: London's Met Police hatches Win XP escape plan

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Re: from experience...

"Further, there are no Start Menu replacements"

Right, and the first thing most people do when buying a new car is buy one that runs on diesel, then drive it off the lot straight to an aftermarket shop and buy a non-diesel engine to put in it? This is not an excuse. If it was a good design, this wouldn't be necessary.

"and certainly can't be configured to behave in exactly the same way as WinXP at all under any circumstances"

Um, It can't.

Name one, ok, Find. Search and Find are not the same, and Search breaks workflow like nothing I've ever seen before (yes we can buy Agent Ransack, but why need to).

Name a second. Wifi. Go ahead and set the priority of 3 different Access Points under W8. You can't. (without a 3rd party app)

A third. Mapped drives work like crap (refreshing and twitching worse than a teenager with Restless Leg Syndrome). Lack of policy tools. Lack of built-in VMs. W8.1 has no ISO loading vector. The list goes on and on. But all of that pales in comparison to users being forced into fullscreen Office suites and calculators.

It was a marketing push, to try to push loyal users into an Apple-styled walled-garden, and a lot of us don't like being pushed.

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Re: How about ....

I'm 40 too, surprise, and I almost stroke out every time I have to use Windows 8 (mostly because I have used XP and W7 for so long that I realize when W8 is performing badly at comparable tasks).

And yes I too have installed Cdroms by modifying config.sys and autoexec.bat and fought to find a free IRQ for my SoundBlaster, but "we" are not the people working at police stations are we?

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Re: I'm wondering...

"Support is what the supplying company - red hat, et al - do when the patches don't work."

No, that's the IT department. Much like they hired "Microsoft Certified Professionals" to do their current IT work, they will either re-train or through attrition hire new "*nix Certified Professionals". Simply backing up the client's data and re-imaging will solve 100% of client issues, and that can be done by a trained monkey. Servers are another thing, but that's why you hire *nix server techs.

Only good can come from this, and because the hardware won't be swapped out every few years just to work with MS's newest bloatware OS, the money can be saved there too.

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Re: from experience...

When I think of old people (in their 50s) the first thing that comes to my mind is how much they love change, and not just a little, but the kind where you are removing everything they have ever used and replacing it with something completely new. Yep, old people love that. //sarcasm

The "from experience" part was meant to be a joke I'm thinking, because what they're going to do is make all their "experience" in operating a computer, worthless overnight.

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Re: How about ....

How about just switching to Linux?

For that matter, one of the Linux heavy-hitters needs to find out what applications the city uses for its day to day operations, and then go to the creators of them, and offer a bounty on Linux versions of them to be made. (basically covering the cost of porting them)

Once the apps are available, they can start deploying small pockets of Linux clients. Hiring the support personnel as needed. Slowly swapping out their Microsoft-based IT for *nix-based techs.

I mean really, the alternative of going to Windows 8 is laughable, I mean really, anytime I think of a 40 or 50-something doing office work with Windows 8, I laugh.

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Sysadmins and devs: Do these job descriptions make any sense?

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Upwardly mobile?

I also take insult with the fact that they assume that every 5 wants to be a 6 or a 7. I like my job, and like solving technical problems, I most certainly don't like dealing with people and their people problems. Why on Earth does management think that a group of people that are already prone to having Aspergers and other anti-social disorders want to be managers? Do they also think that painters and sculptors are just "working their way up" to managing and owning an art studio? I am constantly having various management classes shoved down my throat, yet just about have to beg for a technical class.

I like money just fine, but don't feel I need to make any more than what I do, and I surely don't want to change what I do just to make a little more. It's almost like the management types always want to "move up and out" before anyone realizes that they don't do much and aren't really that necessary.

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Bugger the jetpack, where's my 21st-century Psion?

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Sony VAIO P Series

What about the old Sony VAIO P Series, they were small and had decent battery.

I too like the small form factor, but with the advent of cell phones and tablets no big manufactures are building them for us.

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US Senator lobbies feds to BAN BITCOIN

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Solution?

It's simple, allow it for about a decade, then have all the countries in the world ban it. So basically let the whole underworld get used to using it, and then after all their assets are tied into it, cut it off. Seems like a pretty good way to end all crime at once (at least de-fund it).

To bad the banks don't want to wait that long. I mean, they can't allow a currency that they can't manipulate artificially.

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Microsoft: NSA snooping? Code backdoors? Our hands are clean!

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I remember hearing the NSA was asking for a way to listen in on British owned Skype, and them telling them to get bent, then Microsoft buys them out and they stop asking. Hmm. I guess it could be a coincidence.

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Bitlocker

So law enforcement has just been somehow cracking all the computers that the seize running Bitlocker? Right. Just like there isn't a master CMOS password for most laptops.

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Ford to dump Microsoft's 'aggravating' in-car tech for ... BlackBerry?

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Upgrades?

I have heard of coworkers "updating" their Ford media systems, and have never ever seen a QNX based upgrade. So either QNX never releases a system with any bugs or problems, or they simply don't care once it's in your car. I'm betting the latter, especially since the only way I can get my QNX based car to display the current song playing off the internal harddrive is to first go into the "Telephone" menu, then back to "Media" and magically it jumps to the currently playing song in the list.

Damnit, I shouldn't have to buy a new car to have the radio work correctly.

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Re: QNX is Blackberry by name only

Reliable fine, but Matag makes reliable appliances but that doesn't mean I want them designing a media and navigation interface.

I have had a QNX-based interface before and it sucked, was buggy, and once it was in my car, they clearly felt no desire to keep developing and issuing fixes. Who walks around with a 5 year old smart-phone, why do we allow car manufactures to basically lock us into the same thing. There are at least 5 distinct GUI and navigation bugs in my current car, and they will be in there until it gets crushed according to the manufacture.

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I agree

I always thought that you were supposed to design a car interface as if the driver was blind, that way they will eventually not have to look at it to use it while driving. I absolutely hate touch screens as an interface in a car, I don't mind large displays for things like Navigation or media selection, but I don't ever want my grubby hands to touch it.

I can only assume that one big slab of virtual buttons is a lot cheaper than designing, sourcing, and assembling a dash full of real buttons. That unfortunately means that in the future there will be a huge screen and a steering wheel making up the majority of dashboards (cough, Tesla, cough).

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Windows 8.1 becomes world's fourth-most-popular desktop OS

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Re: And what have we learned Microsoft?

Hell let me add a few things to it for posterity.

Why remove "Status" from right clicking the network icon in the tray, for that matter, what was wrong with the original icon that was showing me traffic and direction (what the hell is the stupid trident for?)

Why does the submenu "+" disappear when I move my mouse from the left explorer pane to the right, were they being changed by the pixel? Why take away information from the screen?

Didn't XP used to give you a full month calendar when you hovered over the time?

Why don't I get a choice on whether I want the whole filename or the filename minus the extension to auto highlight when I rename it?

Right-click Search, what a concept.

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Office 365 Microsoft's fastest growing business, ever - Microsoft

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Re: I can guarantee one thing

I was wondering about that, will people get to keep the version that they train their employee with? For how long? If so, will they continue to "patch" the version each user likes? For how long?

It seems like "cloud" services should really only be a good fit for an extremely small about of people. I mean a really small amount of people, nowhere near the amount I see for the number of times I see the word cloud being thrown around.

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Re: fuck off

@Spartacus,

What's so hard about buying a NAS for on-site storage? For a couple grand (less than 3) you could have 10TB of RAID6 storage, and if your paranoid you can buy 2 and sync them. Drobo comes to mind, but there are others that are cheaper or more expensive. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to manage a NAS, not any more than a local tech shop could provide a la cart.

Why would a small business make their entire business dependent on whether or not they have a internet connection. What is so wrong with buying Office off the shelf and keeping with it until it can no longer provide features you might need (which is almost never). Why is spending an ever inflating monthly price only to be left holding nothing the moment the payments end a good thing?

What is a company really worth if the only thing they own are chairs and desks.

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MPAA spots a Google Glass guy in cinema, calls HOMELAND SECURITY

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poor

I've heard stories told of people, people without a lot of money (or none, read: unemployed teens), that when given the option between nothing or a cam version, that pick the crappy cam.

The funniest thing is that ANY film going to China is going to be ripped by a top of the line camera on a tripod in the middle of the theater and be available that afternoon on the street and there is nothing the DHS can do about that, yet it is ok for the DHS to harass and detain a citizen at the request of a cabal of studio lawyers. I don't think the civil liberty violations are worth the 3 day delay they may get by harassing citizens wearing Glass, a cam will always come out from a foreign country anyway.

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HP clampdown on 'unauthorised' server fixing to start in January

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DRACs

Dell iDRACs work great, when they work. It used to be that if an iDRAC4 didn't work, you're taking a drive to location, just to pull the DRAC so it could boot again. The newer iDRAC5 failed a lot but at least the device would still function. I have yet to see an iDRAC6 fail, but it's only been a few years.

Dell has always let me pull down any firmware update I needed though. I wouldn't buy an older server from them, but newer 610s and 710s seem fine.

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"That's a real nice server you got there, it'd be a shame if something was to happen to it."

If they make a fix because the hardware needs it, then they need to make it available to all the owners of that same hardware. To do otherwise is simply extortion.

So if I bought it myself, and I'm my own tech support, am I now the unauthorized maintainer owner?

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And they're still up for the Dell 1850s and 2950s. You can't get much more "Out of warranty" than a 1850. (except for maybe 6600s)

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Julie Larson-Green: Yes, MICROSOFT is going to KILL WINDOWS

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Why come you ain't got a tatoo?

I wonder what they will do when they dumb their own interface down so far that they can't even use it to create their next OS.

"Cannot find 'driver.inf', inf files are not part of the 'Valid Extensions List' that a user may search for. Would you like to Bing for more help?" -- Windows 13

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Hey EU! Have you seen Dell's HORRID Chinese factories?

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where is the love

And here I thought their hardware was being made with love, I guess this explains why their DRACs die all the time.

If someone somewhere doesn't get exploited or screwed over, then how will someone create a wealth imbalance.

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Migrating from Windows XP: Time to move on

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Re: Who needs Windows XP?

In a Virtual machine maybe. It takes a lot of work just to get XP SP3 into a new machine (slipstreaming various chipsets and SATA drivers into both modes of the installer), but that is only because manufacturers still write drivers for their generic counterparts, Windows 95, not so much.

I suspect you were just being snarky.

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Cinnamon Desktop: Breaks with GNOME, finds beefed-up Nemo

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Re: Just the job

I used to use Ubuntu, until I installed that first version with Unity, I then spent the next few minutes trying to figure out what I must have down wrong to screw up the GUI. I quickly discovered that it wasn't anything I had done, it was that some "decider" somewhere had decided that they didn't want me as a user anymore by trying to force that horrible GUI on me.

Been using Mint ever since (XFCE though). Come join us.

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Bigger, fiddly to manage: The second coming of Windows Server 2012

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No

Just no. Server 2012 is mostly just convoluted and stupid. IT people need to just start saying no. Don't just switch to it because it's new, force Microsoft to create products we want, don't just take what they offer.

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Windows 8.1: A bit square, sure, but WAIT! It has a Start button

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Re: Right click admin options

Why do you people make so many concessions to Microsoft for their crap OS. Their "upgrade" is the size of a complete OS DVD, and to add insult to injury you will have to pull all 4GBs of it down on EACH of your computers. Why not just allow the user to download an ISO or even a USB flash disk builder?

You sympathizers do realize that if your OS goes south or you lose your OS drive, that you will have to install Windows 8 first, then install your 8 Pro "upgrade", then re-download the whole 4GB 8.1 "upgrade" again?

They need to give their customers what they ask for and then stop screwing over their paying customers with this crazy anti-piracy crap.

YOU sympathizers need to stop bending over and taking what they give you, or at least stop thanking them for it.

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Windows 8.1 and Server 2012 R2: Quick start guide for sysadmins

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Not going to happen.

I'll use Server 2008 R2 until I can push my employer to switch to a Linux based solution. 2012 is a joke.

Microsoft has basically taken themselves out of the computer operating system business by forcing their phone's stupid GUI on traditional computer users, hopefully they have something else to fall back on.

No one likes their phone, their newest tablet OS bricks the hardware of their own overpriced tablets, the draconian DRM of their newest console will be driving customers to their direct competitors, and they can't even give away their newest OS to computer users. Is there anything they have done lately that hasn't been a huge failure?

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Rich in Philadelphia? Your new phone can be put in your hands TODAY

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Umm. 6 figure 18 year old?

That would be called an allowance, or maybe a trust fund payment.

Unless they are a drug dealer, how exactly does one straight of out high-school "earn" a six figure salary?

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Samsung Galaxy Note 3: Once, twice, three times - a Very Large Phone™

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Re: It's inevitable...

Guess what they use at the research zoos to interact with the apes? A touch interface. Do you know why? It's the simplest interface.

Can you click and drag pretty pictures with your built-in meat stylus? Yes.

Is it good for anything else? NO.

Typing on a touch screen sucks. Fingers are often wet, oily, gloved, and are often just too damn big, and depending on the task, there is a more efficient interface.

Do you use a touch interface to play Halo? No, it would suck and slow you down.

Do you use a touch interface to write a thesis paper? No. It would suck and slow you down.

Can you surf around the web reading blogs with a touch interface? Yes, sort of, but it only really works on the most dumbed-down of interfaces.

Can you play a simple game made to work with simple tapping and dragging? Yes. But so can a monkey, or a cat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdEBgZ5Y46U

Can you write a simple game that uses a touch screen with only a touch screen? No. You'd use a REAL interface, unless you were a sadist.

Touch screens are not "the wave of the future", they are what the manufactures can easily put on small devices with minimal parts, assembly and cost. Period. Most people just suffer trying to use them for real work.

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