10 posts • joined 18 Jan 2008
Vista Has Problems and Customers Notice---SHOCKING!!!
I'll post the same thing I posted on the linked article page:
Friend spent 1400 on a Dell Inspiron laptop that continues to freeze up running normal, garden variety developer software like Eclipse and Firefox. No games, no office apps. Has shipped it back and forth twice now and they just sent it back as broken as before when he tried to do any work on it. For grins, he loaded Fedora Core 9 on it and it ran a dream as did XP, but he needs Vista Ultimate for testing purposes regarding client side issues.
Mom's Dell Inspiron with Vista Premium she bought in January periodically decides it doesn't know where the wireless network is when the router is ten feet away, does the same thing if you plug in ethernet.
My dual core Compaq shipped with Vista Home (I intended to run Fedora on it) and I played with it for a bit. It had significant problems with with losing DNS or the entire network while hardwired to a router.
People can say whatever they want, but as a person with three empirical experiences to judge by involving three different pieces of hardware (not all of the same manufacturer) that have occurred in the past couple months, somebody in Redmond didn't do their homework.
--Might also add, moving things around in control panel was stupid as hell. There wasn't any reason to do it. Makes setting up networking less intuitive.
Umm, I have absolutely no interest in gaming and I mostly use vi, command shells, or a browser. What would I need to do CAD work for? I'd reckon the majority of the computer users in the world are not CAD people. They mostly type in boxes on their screens. It's a tad bit more efficient to type with a kb than a mouse. I guess you could hunt and peck letters on a touch screen if that gets your rocks off but it sounds inefficient to me. The fact that it's really hard to set up windows to not be annoying will keep me in *NIX for forever, probably.
Mouse was somewhat forced on average computer users because it's really hard to use a Win or Mac environment without one and really hard for most people to buy any other sort of computer, because of lack of their interest in learning much beyond excel, outlook, ie, their favorite game, and word.
For MY purposes, clicky sysadmin tools suck arse. Maybe MCSE type people will never go away but I never wanted to be one of them. The most hateful job I ever had was co-admin for a company with loads of win boxes and some DEC stuff. Had job security because I was the only person there that understood their VMS apps, but it sure sucked to have to do the win bit.
If I feel like playing a game I shoot clay pigeons and billiards outside of an office with non-virtual real tools. Computers aren't much recreational to me. For that reason, shell scripts and code are way better than clicking on things. Try and reconfigure file naming conventions in a large database, because your boss wants you to, in ten minutes on a Vista box. You will go mad clicking on "are you sure?" boxes.
So we're back to my initial statement of "use the tool that suits your purposes".
My incarnation of Ion works for me. It predates ratpoison and works better for me.
And another thing...
"one click and it works right"???????
I mostly hate mice, I just biff them about with my backhand to shift focus between tiled windows once in a while. Why should I have to click? It's an ergonomically broken model first forced on stupid people by Apple and now forced on people by Apple and M$. Mice have a minor purpose in my computing existence. Every time my hands have to leave the keyboard I'm not typing. Being able to sorta use something rapidly tends to lead to tools that aren't very good if you use them all the time. If you want to click, fine. I like a kb because it's a better tool for my purposes. The only thing I generally dislike more than mouse intensive environs is touch screens. They might be good for handicapped people and such but they don't do anything for me. I've never woken up in the morning and thought to myself "You know, I'd really like to have to poke a monitor a lot to get something done, maybe I'll type something about it on a broken membrane keyboard in an email using my AOL account".
People who spend 16-18 hours a day working on computers get a pretty good grasp on ergonomics, as often as not. They don't work in Redmond or the Bay Aryan Nation either, as far as I can ascertain. That's why *NIX tools tend to be intuitive and work very very well once you understand how they work. They are used by people that USE THEM.
/Sorry. It's a pet peeve that the industry is so narrow minded to focus so much on anti-ergonomics that are easy for stupid people to learn poorly.
//Mine's the coat that says on the back "I started out on a PDP-11 when I was 7 years old".
All this silliness
Use the tool that works for you. I like the *NIX world, distribution depending on what architecture machine. I know how it works. I have my dot files for my personal desktop environs I LIKE that are cross platform. It's about useless to try to hack up a comfortable windows interface to me, I've messed with LiteStep and all the rest, when forced by a job to use a windows desktop. It caused me to slowly and painfully waste loads of time getting a desktop that works the way I LIKE, not the way somebody at M$ likes. If I'm going to hack up OS X to suit me, why not have source code and just run the BSD they stole it from?
As long as the only easy bits of customizing an out of the box non-*NIX GUI barely extend past changing wallpaper, I can't see any of them as viable out of the box Operating Systems or Window Managers.
/My desktop will be the one running the super hacked up version of Ion with MY DOT FILES SO I CAN MAKE EVERY MACHINE I TOUCH WORK THE SAME that rarely gets rebooted.
On the other hand
Windows is so drop dead simple in supporting hardware that a brand spanking new Inspiron puked on a Dell support requested reinstall after it kept puking running Eclipse, but Fedora Core 9 Installed and Works...
My coat's in the home machine shop on the street...
...other than the one I live on that google maps gives to delivery drivers who don't listen to me when I say "do not use google maps or you will have a very bad day reversing your truck on a narrow and twisty lane I do not live on", causing them to attempt to make deliveries on a street you can't turn around on in a large articulated truck...
Mine's the one by...
...the machine running Ion on a dual processor dual core...KDE feels like a lame, hit by a car, toad in comparison.
UNIX and Linux were and are developed by people for themselves to use. It's not a product to sell people, it's a collection of tools. The things that would make clicky people who don't want to do the work happy would dumb down the O/S and there are already enough lazy idiots that don't want to contribute anything themselves clogging up the forums and newsgroups with questions they could sort out on their own with a bit of initiative and judicious use of horribly complicated things like Google searches. Why would people working on open source projects for their own purposes want to put up with more lazy idiots wasting their time primarily because they just don't want to give M$ money?
Unity or diversity?
I run a disparate group of BSD and Linux distros depending on machine and purpose. Some things work better on SPARCS and some things work better on Alphas and some better on PC's. The underlying architectures are similar enough that it's not hard to go back and forth between all of them. So there is "unity" already, just not for clicky people. What the hell do I know? I have a hacked up interface for the windows machines I have to deal with that works the same as the hacked up interface I use on my X-Windows boxen. All depends on what you want to do. Eliminating choice and diversity in UI seems stupid as hell to me.
If you want to run Linux and not think about it, pick a dist like Ubuntu or Redhat or Mandriva and go your merry way. If you want to hack, hack.
A monolithic *NIX world would be about as useful as making PERL work like VB.
"More than one way to do things" is GOOD!
On topic: Collaborating on low-level stuff makes sense, too.
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