128 posts • joined Thursday 10th January 2008 23:14 GMT
Elop was Second Choice?
What staggered me the most was Ollila's admission that Elop was that high on the list!
Second? It surely must have been a short list of two!
And as for the rest, it's such a tragic shame that despite foreseeing the market and preparing for it, Nokia completely f***ed it up.
So, what one of the world's leading experts on the subject was saying was that the sun has some effect, but not as much as CO2.
It's just a shame that the models and reality don't agree and have never agreed!
Apart from that inconvenient truth, "one of the world's leading expert's" argument is sound!
I was listening to Radio 4's "Tle Life Scientific" recently Professor Joanna Haigh (27/Aug) who specialises in this area was very clear - The sun's output does affect the Earth's temperature, but she would never suggest that the sun's output was anything like as important to global warming as CO2.
In that case just do a thought experiment (no computers / simulations required). Imagine the sun turned itself off for a week or two. Would the CO2 (or anything else in our atmosphere for that matter) keep us warm for any length of time?
Re: Replace N808
My mistake - just checked the specs again and the 1020 does have USB on the go.
I'm sure it wasn't on the spec sheet yesterday!
I have the N808 and was half considering replacing it with the new EOS or 1020 as we now know it's called.
BUT, my N808 takes a micro SD card, has USB on the go / out, HDMI out, FM transmitter etc.
And it uses an OS I actually like with a decent battery life.
I don't think I'll be changing - sorry Nokia, you should have stayed with being masters of your own destiny.
Re: Fantastic work on slimming it down
I've had the N808 for about a year and I disagree, it's not unwieldy at all. It's actually positively svelte compared to, for example the iphone wrapped in the "protective" case most people wrap around theirs.
Re: Phone for grown ups
Just about any Nokia over the past 5-10 years running Symbian would fit the bill then.
Shame Kodak Went Bust
Shame Kodak went bust, just when they could start selling their photographic film again!
Re: Love the thing
I've had my 808 for about a year - from when it was first released and I've also been amazed at the frequent updates it has received, better than lot of "modern" OS equipped phones.
I want an excellent camera on my phone. I find that I can do without most of the apps that other people can't seem to live without. I just need a robust phone and a camera which is available to me all the time. Just this past week I video'd a birthday party with the 808. Despite recording in challenging lighting and next to 1000W speakers, the results were excellent. I know that any other smartphone would have had massive audio distortion and dark images, but the 808s results were fantastic.
Coupled with the best sat nav on a phone on the market, the two main criteria I seek (excellent camera and sat nav) are on one device. I wouldn't swap it for anything else at the moment.
Re: The best camera
I have the 808 Pureview and it's a great phone and camera.
As the article said, I'm amazed at the regular software updates the phone gets.
For example only yesterday it received 6 such updates.
There have been some issues on it appears certain networks / 3G at certain times. I've experienced such issues but only on Vodafone, not for example T-Mobile. Could be that the frequency of the networks are an issue. However, yesterday's updates (one of which was for 3G) have apparently sorted it. In those areas where I previously had a non-existent signal strength, today I have 4 bars!
Considering Symbian is supposed to be defunct I'm amazed that so much time and energy is being devoted to it. Well done Nokia or should I say Accenture!
It's a shame that the world leading tech that Nokia had / has in imaging is still showcased in a phone that's a year old and in an OS that is supposed to be inferior to what they have now!
Re: Not what I was waiting for
Me too - I was expecting a true Windows Pureview phone and naturally expected it to be superior to my current 808 Pureview. Prior to the 808 I had the N8.
Nokia pushed Symbian to be extremely usable (and I'd say - still - superior in many ways to Android and iOS) in its latter phones such as the N8 and 808.
I don't have an irrational "hatred" of MS, but based on the recent hype expected a true successor to the 808 from an OS that is still I think, a beta or incomplete (for a 2013 mobile OS) product.
I was extremely disappointed that I was unable to buy the Meego powered N9 in the UK (or anywhere other than Timbuktu or the dark side of the moon) and that Nokia abandoned what was a very promising platform.
I wonder where Nokia and its ecosystem would now be had Meego not been abandoned.
The Output Can Only Be as Good as the Source
When (young) people these days consider mp3 to be "music" then that's where the problems (through ignorance) begin. When the output audio generated by a typical mp3 encoded track (constrained by sample frequencies, discarding of "unheard" frequencies, error correction etc inherent in any digital recording) is listened to, no headphones can ultimately correct the sound.
I feel sorry for an entire generation who have been led down a "pure digital perfect sound forever" path., particularly mp3.
I Left T-Mobile last month
I left T-Mobile last month after many years of lethargy and stopping on the same (now legacy) SIM only rolling monthly tariff.
My request? I asked to be put on the same deal as a NEW CUSTOMER. They refused, I left.
It seems that they don't understand how much more it costs to acquire a new customer than to retain an existing one.
Re: It's a Sad Day
I sort of do care what's under the hood and one of the main reasons is security.
I have trusted Opera in this regard for many, many years.
And one less browser developer on its own, makes it a sad day.
It's a Sad Day
For all the reasons mentioned before, it's a sad day.
It was always on the cards but I thought that with Opera's superb mobile browsers and success in the embedded market, cached servers etc, they'd survive as a standalone, independent and innovative company.
An (99.999%) exclusive Opera user (and fan) for over a dozen years.
Re: Nokia sell in a quarter now what they used to sell in 2 weeks
I have the Pureview 808 and yes, the camera is amazing. Some recent shots I took astounded the printing lab and had them asking me if I was a pro. I'm not!
And the phone part doesn't suck.
There aren't many people who can say "I was right all along", referring to 40+ years ago, and sound both despondent and humble about it.
What about just about everyone's parents?
How Can The BBC's Actions Be Justified?
It's unbelievable that the BBC could change their "impartiality" stance on "Global Warming" (because that's what it was called in those days until actual measurements and observations began to not correlate with the models) based on this meeting and the "experts" in attendance.
The infiltration of the BBC by those with a left wing, green agenda is slowly becoming exposed not just in this, but other stories currently affecting the Corporation and the chickens are resolutely coming home to roost - and it's about time.
Lewis Page for President!
Lewis Page for President / Prime Minister or just in charge of IPCC!
Politicians Should Live Forever
Based on this, UK politicians should live forever as none of them have any balls, Margaret Thatcher excepted.
Meego Write Down - Hardly a Surprise!
"It will write down €220m worth of components which can’t now be sold in phones. Since this includes Lumia, Symbian and Meego handsets, we can’t infer that Nokia had overestimated the appeal of Windows. Not without more information."
Now there's a surprise (having to write down components due to go into Meego phones)!
Since it only marketed the devices in Timbuktu and the dark side of the moon, it's hardly surprising Nokia has components left over. After all, Meego outselling Win7 would have been pretty embarrassing for Elop. Far better to effectively strangle it at birth, regardless of how good it was.
"... as Nokia tries to weather the storm and emerge within a few years as a very different company."
Yeah, subsidiary of Microsoft!
Re: @ Mark Jan
What are you talking about?
Nokia have everything to gain, by selling lots of phones, and not going bust.
Of course they do - that's the business they're currently in (as well as pursuing IP claims).
BUT, my position is that this MS strategy will ultimately lead Nokia to failure.
It isn't MS hatred, just logical, straight talking common sense based on years of seeing what MS does to companies with which it enters into such "partnerships", as well as the most important verdict of all from the phone buying public. That verdict has fail written all over it.
Re: Dear Jorma :- I am curious.
It's what will happen purely based on Microsoft's past form and events as they are unfolding.
Nokia has everything to lose and Microsoft everything to gain.
Plus, Nokia did see the smartphone revolution coming!
They just pissed about going from pillar to post whilst everyone else executed well thought out management plans.
C&W Should Have Done Better
C&W have for years been run by piss poor management in a sector generally run by piss poor management. I can't help but feel that for want of better direction, they wouldn't now be selling themselves off to the highest bidder who will ultimately (as we already know) sell off the unwanted bits to the already circling vultures.
Nokia, you're next.
Maybe Malwarebytes is just very good at what it does (it is!) and the people behind it are very good at what they do (they are!)
And it's free!
Re: Time for a Change of Plan, Nokia ..?
I agree with you. Symbian was (and still is) the most optimised mobile OS. People confuse the underlying OS and the GUI. Overlay a decent GUI and a "dreadful" experience becomes great, eg any of SPBs offerings.
I've never really understood how a third party company without Nokia's resources can take a Nokia phone and create a far better user experience...
Nokia's browsers do indeed suck, but just download Opera.
Elop must be proud...
So, Elop jumped off the burning platform into the inflatable WinPho lifeboat after having tried to extinguish the flames with a few hundred gallons of petrol. Trouble is, the poorly designed lifeboat leaked air from the start and Elop is now having to tread water. I wonder how long it'll be before MS throw him a lifebuoy and pull him back to shore...?
What's left of the smouldering Nokia platform will be easy to dismantle...
So, according to Nokia, people are fed up with the "sameness" of Apple and Android.
How in that case is Nokia going to differentiate themselves from the "sameness" of Windows Phone across different manufacturers' devices?
Now, had Nokia kept Maemo/Meego (especially looking at the superb N9) then they could genuinely claim that theirs was a truly unique offering.
It seems odd that Opera was omitted from the tests given that Opera's proponents often claim that theirs is the most secure browser.
Maybe Google wouldn't have liked Accuvant's results had Opera been included...
And so it starts... Nokia once the mobile phone paragon of battery life and power efficiency reduced to reliance on MS for patches.
The Science is Settled...
...but despite all the, "science is settled" the earth has cooled.
Of course it's bollocks
The politicians know global warming's bollocks but it's the best tax raising scam ever invented. So what if the earth has cooled when it should have got warmer, just call it climate change and carry on as before.
The scientists also know it's bollocks but when it's a sure fire way of getting funded, why upset the apple cart? And when your mates all belong to the same club and share the same belief, peer review's not going to be a problem is it?
Shame the computer models can never get it right, but hey, just blame it on the computers and ask for more cash for better ones!
Elop's medium term plan is to slowly suffocate Nokia to the point of death, then rescue it by the MS knight in shining armour coming to its rescue with a buyout for a fraction of it's worth had Nokia been managed properly. Elop's ONLY answer is Windows. He can't allow even the possibilty of any other strategy to succeed, hence restricting sales of the N9 to Timbukto and the dark side of the moon!
It's Sendo all over again but this time there's a lot more expertise, IP and hardware for MS to gorge themselves on.
"While Nokia has put its eggs in the Microsoft basket, its Redmond-based partner has not returned the favour."
And that is supposed to surprise who exactly?
Just wait until Nokia has all its eggs and the kitchen sink with Microsoft!
Remember When Motorola Shat on Psion?
Psion, the company which developed EPOC, which subsequently morphed into Symbian was shat on from a great height in 2001 by Motorola, when Moto pulled the plug on their joint venture.
Had that defecation not happened, Psion would be a very different company today, as would Motorola and I suspect, Nokia as well. And none would now be selling their souls to MS.
Pay and retain good staff!
Just think how many TVs, PCs etc they could sell if only they developed a reputation for knowing what they were talking about and offering a great deal with great service, ie meeting needs/expectations!
I stopped going for anything other than a "distress purchase" because I know that the staff will:
a) not have a clue what they're talking about and I'll just become frustrated at their ineptitude
b) may have a slight clue what they're talking about but will still try and rip me off
c) not be at all interested but if there's a whiff of an extended warranty sale, may just feign it
Just use your phone.
I was just thinking the same!
My N8 (OK, I'm ready for apple flambe!) is always in my pocket and whether I'm in the UK or abroad, quickly gets me to my location. Free map updates although admittedly, no TMC.
Whilst the N8 costs more than the TomTom, like AC said, there are Nokia phones with the same sat nav functionality for the same price as the Smart 20.
I'd have thought that the days of standalone sat navs must surely be numbered...as are probably the days of Nokia phones once MS has eaten them up and spat them out...
I Still Use my Psion 3a!
I still use my Psion Series 3a on just about a daily basis.
"Data" & "Agenda" are the most used functions.
Psion really should have become the sum of Nokia & Apple but being a British tech company, never stood a chance I guess...
It's also been said before...in court...
Seven years ago, The Register reported this:
Sendo accused Microsoft of maintaining a "secret plan... to plunder the small company of its proprietary information, technical expertise, market knowledge, customers and prospective customers... Microsoft gained Sendo's trust and confidence through false promises that Sendo would be its 'go-to-market-partner'."
Now, just substitute Nokia for Sendo (or any other number of companies MS has shafted over the years). Nokia is already dead.
Almost As Good As...
So, the next release of Winphone will be great on battery life, offer true multi-tasking and will enable developers to work with basic items like users' contacts.
So, apart from bricking phones when updating, almost as good as what Nokia have now then?
Did the USA fight with the Germans until 1941?
Did the USA join WW2 after the Germans attacked them and only then, decide to join the Allied effort?
If the answer to both these questions is yes, then you have a point and in your world, apples taste the same as oranges.
If the answer to these questions is no, then your flawed logic results in a flawed understanding.
The Cold War is over, the statue is a nice one, but your reasoning is still flawed.
"Russia and the UK have much in common, not only as allies during the Second World War, and victory gained through sacrifice..."
Hmmm, only when Germany turned on Russia in 1941 did Russia become part of the allied effort, and even then, it was only for their own gain. In 1939 they were quite happy to invade Poland from the east a week or two after Germany had done the same from the west, and subsequently carve out a new world for themselves as part of the Axis, leading to the Cold War which effectively lasted half a century.
Come on Vitaly Davydov, you maybe the State Secretary and Deputy Head of Roscosmos, but only 5/10 for your attempts at revisionist hisory.
Why Are Dixons Even Surprised?
I don't know why these warnings come as any surprise to anyone who has the misfortune to need to actually go in and buy anything from Dixons. It has to be a "distress" purchase on a Sunday afternoon...
Invariably overpriced, often old stock, their products are lamentable with staff who rarely know their arses from their elbows. Watching anyone in store asking a member of staff about anything generally becomes a "voyage of discovery" for both the customer and the staff member.
Don't know about their "Tech Guys" but can't see them being much better.
But Play.com Tell the Customer to be Careful
I received one of the Play.com emails this morning, so assume my email address has been harvested.
OK, these things happen, but why oh why does Play.com then end their email with the following "advice", as if the customer is in any at fault...!
Please do be vigilant with your email and personal information when using the internet.
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