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Re: apples vs. bananas
VNX can use flash as both Cache and a Data Tier at the same time.
Not looked at Nimble enough to know what it can do TBH.
Not sure about the UK but even down here in NZ 20Mbps national is not that hard to acquire.
Any DOCSIS3, VDSL2 or Fiber connection should suffice.
They cannot even get the comparison configuration right.
VSAN disk groups are 1 SSD device and up to 7 magnetic devices. Up to 5 groups in a host. To support 24 x 1.2TB Magnetic disks would required 4 disk groups and therefore 4 SSD devices. You cannot chop up the FusionIO card into 4 LUN's and stay supported and you cannot at this time use external disk shelves.
If they cant get the before right I am not sure I trust their analysis.
Re: nothing to see here....move along
Funny most of my V7000 boxen are sitting in traditional HP sites.
I am running a Iomega IX2-200D with 2 x 2TB disks. (Free at an industry event or would have been Synology 4 Bay)
Plex Server running on my gaming PC sharing the content.
Currently using the Plex App on the Samsung 2013 Series 5 TV (UA50F5500AM) but the Samsung WiFi implementation is a PITA so looking at mounting an Intel NUC (i3, 4GB, SSD) on the back via the VESA mount and running Windows 7 + Plex Client and having another Windows client available with a real keyboard and some big screen gaming (Intel HD graphics will be fine for what I play)
You mean the same system HP have used in EVA and now 3Par for years?
Re: Is this one a bit slow
Except that if you issued a PxE boot message to 1000 desktops they would be booted in 30-60 seconds from a SATA magnetic disk and 10-20 seconds from low cost consumer SSD's.
IBM's storage strategy in the entry/mid-range is Storwize and Storwize. :)
They do modular in XIV but no real virtual SAN offering at the moment.
There have always been 2 GT releases per platform (GT and GT2 on PS1, GT3 and GT4 on PS2 and now GT5 and GT6 on PS3)
As for the AI cars they have pissed me off since GT1, making no allowance for player cars at all.
XtremeIO is a tool in EMC's kit bag, strategically not as an individual offering (Not that they will turn down sales I am sure, but even EMC are pitching it at big VDI right now) but as part of a complete "Big Picture" play with ViPR providing the "Software Defined Storage" control layer with XtremeIO, VMAX, VNX, Isilon, ScaleIO and Data Domain as storage resources to be managed and VPLEX/RecoverPoint providing the availability piece.
It is an impressive story that really only IBM can compete with, but even IBM have some work to do in this space.
Re: And the flight entertainment system...
The entertainment system in the Air New Zealand 777 I flew to SFO in 2010 ran Windows CE on the endpoints and my take is that these things do not change so fast.
I know this because I had to wait 30 mins while my screen rebooted loading the WInCE image over a serial connection.
Newer systems are probably Linux based I agree but the vast bulk of the install base is probably still Windows powered.
EMC buying ScaleIO will pave the way for VMware to have a storage hyper-visor that is worth deploying.
As with ViPR it makes sense to have the storage company develop the storage tech and then transfer it to VMware rather than transferring the engineers to VMware.
I think ViPR, or a subset of, will end up at VMware. But EMC will keep a version of it in their camp as a hedge against Microsoft/OpenStack/<Insert next big thing in server virtualisation>.
The others that you forgot to mention are vBlocks from VCE and Flexpods from NetApp/Cisco/VMware.
Will be interesting to see what Oracle are doing for storage, will it use a ZFS based system, a Nutanix like system or Pillar Axiom type tech?
Re: And the write performance is?
The SSD provides up to 98,000/90,000 random read/write IOPS and 540MB/sec sequentially reading, 520MB/sec sequentially writing. These numbers vary with product capacity.
While Active Directory is not the best LDAP implementation it DOES have the largest installed base by a long margin.
There are a LOT of admins out there with AD skills and CxO's are comfortable with the technology.
Betting against Microsoft tends to be a bad idea in everything but game consoles.
Looks like an Electric Delta Wing
Comparing an all SSD config to a disk based one is a little off.
How would an 8 Node all SSD config of Isilon S400's go I wonder?
Re: another day another eadon
Serious question here, how long since you have used an up to date version of Windows?
Re: Michael Duke
Yes StoreVirtual is the new gen8 servers running V10 of the LeftHand software.
StoreEasy is the NAS range, running Windows Storage Server 2012 and or IBRIX depending on model.
StoreOnce is the D2D re-brand.
P9500 is HP's mainframe offering BUT they have single digits of the mainframe storage market, IBM and EMC have like 80+% between them and the Hitachi vendors (HDS, HP and formerly Sun) have the rest.
it is no surprise that HP do not want to engineer FICON into the P10000/V Class.
Matt, The Mainframe business is low revenue but high margin business and you will pry it out of IBM's cold dead hands. It is a no brainer for them to keep pushing as they have 80+% market share and a captive audience as the path to move off a mainframe takes YEARS.
Erik, Yes the whole DS, DCS and N Series range are OEM'ed from NetApp/LSI and that is why they will go, the StorWize range is resigned to replace them, the new V3700 is the box to replace the DS3500 as the V7000 replaced the DS3950/DS5020 and the DS5100/5300 ranges. The only product from that line that might survive the end of the year is the dense DCS3700 for Video etc.
IBM will get rid of as many OEM'ed systems as they can, they want to own their storage destiny and they have either acquired the products to do it (XIV, TMS) or built them in house (StorWize, SONAS).
HP are doing the same thing of out with the old (EVA, P2000/MSA2K, P9500/XP) and in with the new (StoreServ 7000/3Par, StoreVirtual, StorEasy).
Of that list the "At Risk" products are:
DS3500 (V3700/V7000 is the replacement)
DS5000 (V7000 is a natural replacement here)
N Series (V7000U and SONAS will replace)
Safe products should be:
SVC (Although I would expect a V10000 ish system with 8/10 Core CPU's and 240/480 12gbps SAS Disks + Clustering to replace it eventually)
Tape (TS3500 stays for Mainframe, TS-1140 and LTO-6 is not a problem if tape stays and IBM have a reasonable OEM business in selling bare tape drives)
ProtectTIER (Someone needs to take on EMC/Data Domain and HP is not getting it done)
SONAS (Needed to replace big NetApp boxen from a CIFS/NFS perspective, maybe a "Gateway" that can attach to XIV/SVC/DS8000 as a future SONAS offering ala VNX VG2/VG8 Gateways)
My $0.10 (Inflation is a bitch)
VNX has some life left but I can forsee a world with 3-4 levels of VMAX and Isilon Nodes and/or gateways on a common hardware platform using scale out rather than scale up.
Yes because owning a gun is proof that you are going to attempt an armed robbery.
Idiots from RIANZ need to get a clue.
I think there is a lot of people on here making a false assumption.
That assumption is that the de-duplication feature is designed to save Mega storage resources.
From my point of view it is obvious that the de-dupe is for user benefit, when dealing with 50GB or 500GB of data there is a good chance that you will upload a duplicate file, even more so if you are using it for offsite backups. The de-dupe is to save you the transfer and storage budget of using Mega so that you can script backups and only changed files will be re-uploaded or you can upload your photos directory again and again and not duplicate the data.
It is to drive ease of use for the customers NOT to save the Mega storage nodes on capacity.
Re: Deduplication, how?
So how do you provide the decryption key for user #2 for a file that is encrypted by user #1 if you do not have the private key?
A little sense here please.
How are mega.co.nz going to de-duplicate encrypted content?
The very act of encrypting the data makes it unique, or should if done correctly. Only if you tried to upload the same content, encrypted with the same key, twice should this kick in. So you upload a folder with a heap of photos in a single operation then it will de-duplicate that data. However if two people upload the same media file (Non-copyright of course) then as far as the service is concerned that will be two unique chunks of binary data, they have to be if encrypted with different keys.
Cisco should buy Nutanix and develop that platform for both VMware and Hyper-V.
Unless you play games in which case the iMac's nVidia GT640M to GTX680M are a MUCH better option than the Intel 4000 on the Mini
X1000, X3000 and x5000 become StoreEasy with the move to Windows Server 2012.
Xx000 (WSS 2008 R2) -> StoreEasy (WSS 2012)
P4000 G2 (3.5" Disks and SanIQ 10) -> StoreVirtual (2.5" Disks and SanIQ 10.x)
For a change I can see a configuration like this being used for a high performance file store. Maybe swap the 2TB for 3TB to increase capacity by nearly 50% but it is actually a real world configuration unlike EMC's VNX result.
The info I have (and it is consistent with the V7000) is the V3700 will be limited to 5 enclosures.
So 120 2.5" disks OR 60 3.5" or a mix making 5 shelves
Re: Stop comparing Amazon with your DC
Not that many banks will be using EC2 to host apps that hold customer or financial data I would be guessing.
The E-type could do 150MPH, downhill, with a tailwind, on a good day, with a half full tank, and a 90lb driver.
I always wondered why Bond never drove a Jensen Interceptor.
While I am not WinPho 7.5 greatest fanboy I like my Lumia 800.
Only real downside for me is that lack of tethering support.
Re: Will wait for the price to drop
Seagate Momentus XT (The XT is important as Momentus is the range name for the vanilla 7200RPM disks)
There are 2 models, a 3Gb/s 500GB Drive with 4GB of SLC flash and a 6Gb/s 750GB Drive with 8GB of SLC Flash
Re: IBM SVC is the only real world system
Anyone looking for more than "One big storage box to rule them all" will look at a flash array for their transactional systems.
Also as the dedupe tech gets better and we see tiers of SSD inside a single box (DRAM Cache, Small amount of SLC for hot data and 2/3 cell MLC for "Bulk" storage) I think we will see all flash arrays in more places.
Even 10 years ago the idea of 500+ disks in the same frame was thought to be impossible, now we have arrays that scale to 2000 spindles and have 3 or 4 tiers with automatic data placement. Whats to say what another 10 years will bring?
Re: Why is there never one for work?
Kindle DX now ships internationally from amazon.com
So HP have a DL380 Gen8 that supports 25SFF hot plug drives as well.
If you are talking about a 4 proc, 32 core, 64 thread machine it is either a grunty application server with no need for lots of storage, a database server that will be connected to some sort of external storage or a virtual host which again will be connected to external storage.
I do not see 5 local drives bays as being a limitation on this class of server.
The DL560 is a reused name, there was a DL580 G4 time frame DL560 but the G5, G6 and G7 releases did not get one due to thermal limitations on the 6500 and 7500 series CPU's.
Now that the thermal envelope of the new E5-4600 CPU's again supports a 2U, 4 Socket machine HP are producing one again.
Re: I don't get it ...
You would be an Aussie then :)
Re: hold on - apples and oranges?
and most OLTP databases are sub-1TB in size so your point is?
Until SSD came along a lot of LARGE databases were sitting on disks that were so short stroked that a 146GB 15K FC Disk (The smallest you have been able to bur for a while) were sitting at less than 10% capacity to get the required IOPS.
It is not all large, unstructured data my friend, and most "Enterprise" arrays and applications need dedicated spindles for Tier-1 applications.
There is no way the front end would scale that well
You might see a million IOPS with 8 x V7000 though, two behind each SVC IO Group
It is a loophole in New Zealand law, the law as written only relates to physical items as it was written back before digital transmission of information was considered likely.
Yes the law needs an update to cover digital assets but that has not been done as I understand it (from local MSM coverage so probably is not 100% accurate or in any way complete)
How many customers with USP-V / XP24000 or VSP/P9500 actually virtualise external storage for extended periods (e.g. longer than migrration)?
The reason I ask is IBM's view of this is less than 10% of USP-V customers actually use the virtualisation capabilities of the box and I would like some vendor FUD free info if any exists.
HP do not use LSI for the entry level they use Dot Hill. Lefthand has fallen behind Equalogic as far as modular storage goes and it is going to take some time to catch up again (autotiering).
They badly need an entry 3Par product to compeate with the V7000, VNX and HUS.
XP is the only HP option if you need FICON, however P10000 gets a LOT more focus, and makes more sense, from HP unless there is a FICON requirement.
I have heard rumors of a new MSA branded box from Dot Hill that supports auto tiering and useing the P2000 G3 as expansion in the mid-year timeframe.
So I Found
Casino Royale (twice)
For Your Eyes Only
The Living Daylights
License to Kill
Quantum of Solace
On the outside edge are:
Live and let *FLASH* die
Thunder Bowl as Thunderball
I counted six with a close seventh (Thunder Bowl is not Thunderball)
I agree with several posters above, you do not buy VMAX and fill it with NL-SAS disks. If you want a large content store and you are an EMC customer then Isilon is the right solution.
These boxes will move with a 3/4 tier architecture (SSD, 15K SFF SAS, 10K SFF SAS, 7.2K NL-SAS), multiple engines and massive redundancy, THAT is why you buy VMAX.
This play is mainly as I see it to fight against HP/3Par in the service provider space, where 3Par has the loins share of the big guys doing XaaS (See the VMAX SP details the other day) and as a growth platform for existing DMX/VMAX customers.
Shocked and stunned I am that a modern all flash array beat the pants off of HP's Lowest spec rotating Fibre Channel array that is 7-8 years old in technology (Basically a repackaged EVA4100).
What's next a VMAX 40K beating a 4 node P4000 G2 array?
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