* Posts by Frumious Bandersnatch

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1,100 haiku heading to Mars on next NASA mission

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Re: 1,100 *haikus heading to Mars on next NASA mission

For Benefit of

Make the Reader Edified:

A Short Translation:

Among Japanese,

Between Ear(s) and Assemblage,

Which would be preferred?

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1,100 *haikus heading to Mars on next NASA mission

To Japanese ear

Plurality is inferred---

"Haiku" would suffice

日本人とは,

耳か耳たち

どちがすき?

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NSA gets burned by a sysadmin, decides to burn 90% of its sysadmins

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Firing 90% of them?

That's surely a great way to gruntle your staff... oh wait!

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Android approaches 80% smartphone share as Apple's iPhone grows old

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Re: "well-positioned to re-capture market share"

Hmmm... So says a commenter named "ElReg!comments!Pierre". Your first name wouldn't be "Lucky", by any chance?

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"well-positioned to re-capture market share"

It may (?) be true that it's "well-positioned" but coming from behind and trying to recapture lost market share is hardly a good position, is it?

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US federal judge: Yes, Bitcoin IS MONEY

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well...

It hardly constitutes a declaration that Bitcoin is a bona-fide currency. All that seems to have happened here is that the judge saw through a particularly transparent defence that was based only on a legal technicality.

As the article said, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck. Therefore: not a valid defence. Or, as Fry from Futurama might say, "That dog won't hunt, Monseigneur".

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Can't agree on a coding style? Maybe the NEW YORK TIMES can help

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Putting the first one at the end of the line is just stupid.

Wow. Big up/down-vote ratio for that. I hold the opposite view, that "if (...) {\n" is better. For two reasons...

1. Vertical space is precious when editing, especially given most people (OK, I generalise) are using 1920x1080 monitors. Putting the brace on a separate line means one less line of code visible on screen without scrolling for each if/do/while/whatever. That means more scrolling and more getting lost, especially if your only way of matching braces is to keep track of how far you think the matching one should be from the left of the screen. Simply put, better use of vertical space = improved readablity.

2. It's no harder to trace back up the screen vertically to a statement than a brace. You could even use tabs and have your editor display them visually so that it's easier no matter which style you decide on.

Oh, and

3. Your editor probably has something like emacs's blink-paren command (or mode) to show you where the matching brace is anyway so it probably makes any religious argument one way or the other moot.

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Re: In Objective-C

Whereas in Perl, you have to put braces around the if-true part and the if-false part, regardless of whether they're just single statements or not. I quite like that since there's none of the fiddling around adding and removing braces (and potentially errors) when you change the number of statements in the if-true/if-false parts. Of course, it's also nice that perl gives you the 'statement if condition' and 'statement unless condition' syntax (without braces) too so that more than makes up for the enforced use of braces in the more traditional form.

Even in C, it's probably a good idea to use if (...) { ... } [else { ... }] even when you don't need to. Use it without braces and occasionally you'll come across a macro that expands to several statements, probably leading to very puzzling and hard-to-debug program behaviour... And as I mentioned, adding/removing parenthesis based on the number of statements is tedious and error-prone. Your essential logic hasn't changed (just the number of statements), so why should the syntax need updating?

IOW, thumbs up for mandatory/orthogonal use of braces!

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Roses are #f00, violets are #00f. This witty code is a boffinry breakthrough

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"It was a blonde."

"A blonde to make a bishop kick a hole in a stained-glass window" (Raymond Chandler)

OK, so it's not, technically speaking, a joke, but as we've been discussing how we like our women ...

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Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer?

Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!

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Ubuntu puts forums back online, reveals autopsy of a brag hacker

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Re: not back to normal

I don't know ... isn't single-sign on backed by two-factor authentication? AIUI (and I haven't used this on Ubuntu services) with something like OpenID you put in your login request at one service and then go to another page (on your authenticating server) to OK that request. Barring some sort of browser flaw that lets a rogue site access the master details on the authentication page (which probably means you're owned anyway, so even individual passwords wouldn't be safe), I can't see how it's a big problem.

Of course, I'm only talking about single-sign on for sites that aren't that important. Of course you wouldn't want SSO for protecting anything of value.

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Terror cops swoop on couple who Googled 'backpacks' and 'pressure cooker'

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who in the hell

has to look up the internet to find out how to make a "pressure cooker bomb"? Surely it can't be any more complicated than (a) make a big bomb, (b) put it in the pressure cooker with some bits of metal, and (c) close the pressure cooker.

Admittedly, I've never done this or looked it up, but I fail to see how it's any different (mutatis mutandis) from a pipe bomb. Isn't the name totally suggestive of the recipe for making it to anyone with two brain cells to rub together? That being so, does knowing the name of the device then constitute an offence for "possessing knowledge likely to be of use to a terrorist"? (Yes, that's actually a real crime where I live!)

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Intel's homage to Raspberry Pi: The much pricier Minnowboard

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Crazy price point

A while back I made a list of the sorts of things you could get with around €250--275. It included:

* a PS3 with free game

* a Nexus 7 (which has since been upgraded slightly)

* an ARM chromebook

* An eMMC-based ODROID-X2 (with plenty of change to spare)

* 2x microSD-based based ODROID-U2s

* 4x Raspberry Pi Model B (or 3x plus a network/USB hub)

* 5x Model A Pis (a rough guess, though adding wireless cards might push me over budget)

* Various combinations of {Pi, Arduino} and {gertboard, Pi Face, Slice of Pi, Adafruit, Arduino modules} and {basic electronics kit and tools}

Since then I see that the Parallella boards are available for pre-order, so I could add:

* 2x Parallella boards (with 16-core coprocessor and FPGA)

For what it appears to be (a hobby or "gadget" item), the price is just crazy. The only thing that it has that the other things above don't is PCI Express and SATA (the PS3 and Parallella have gigabit Ethernet and the Chromebook has 802.11n, so fast networking isn't unique to this board). Is that enough to warrant paying twice (or more) the price of most of the other things I listed? I seriously doubt it...

I notice that all the gagets I mentioned (bar the PS3) happen to be ARM-based, so perhaps that shows a bias on my part. On the other hand, it shows the range of products that Intel is competing against in this segment of the market--let's call it the "gadget" segment. As such, this new board would be at the bottom of my list, even assuming it made the list at all.

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Leap Motion Controller: Hands up for PC air gestures. That's the spirit

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I wonder if anyone is working on a sign-language > text application? : D

Heh, that was my first thought on reading the article, though being a cynic, I figured that it'd just do ASL (American Sign Language).

The the second app that I thought about was virtual puppeteering. To be honest, though, that was also the first use I could think of for the gyroscope/accelerometer in all modern smartphones. So far, though, nobody has filled that important niche. Disappointing.

I guess I'll just go back home to watch 'Being John Malkovich' again (or maybe Team America: World Police) -->

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Microsoft Surface sales numbers revealed as SHOCKINGLY HIDEOUS

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Re: there is hope...

you can't polish a turd

Really? Have you tried? I know you can definitely polish mud to make it nice and shiny. Though maybe you're right: pure shite might have to dumped on the compost heap to rot for a while.

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"wrote down nearly a billion dollars on its unloved Surface RT fondleslabs"

instead of "fondleslab", wouldn't "gazebo" "folly" be a better word? (sorry for the correction; I sometimes get mixed up).

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Sony and Panasonic plan 300GB Blu-Ray replacement for 2015

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> Hopefully it won't be a big as a Laser Disk.

I hope they release "Dragon's Lair" on it, for the nostalgia value if nothing else.

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Re: Oh look

> A solution looking for a problem.

It does seem like it. At least the 4k part, anyway. Some Reg links:

"4K video may wow vidiots, but content creators see pitfalls"

"The future of cinema and TV: It’s game over for the hi-res hype"

The gist: higher res is not a panacea.

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Adapteva ships Kickstarted baby supercomputer boards

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Very informative article

Thanks. I'd been watching for developments in this product and I think this shows that they are definitely on the right track.

I was very interested to read in the article that the Epiphany cores have "a mere 35 instructions". I'd never read that before, so I went and found a link to the architectural reference document. Quite surprised to see that the cores don't have any division instruction (integer or float). But then, I guess ARM has been getting along quite well with only spotty support for hardware division instructions, and I'm sure that working around this restriction is the bread and butter work of the sort of people who write gcc or llvm (who both seem to be on board in supporting Parallella).

Despite having zero use (at the moment) for a cluster like this, I'm seriously tempted to put in an order. Even without a hardware division (or inverse) instruction, I'm sure there are still lots of interesting applications that would run well on this. The clustering side of things looks very interesting, too, given the huge interconnect bandwidth and memory architecture.

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MYSTERY of 19th-century DEAD WALRUS found in London graveyard

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Oh

The huge manatees!

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Boffins: Dolphins call each other NAMES. Not RUDE ones!

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Re: to see if the named fish responded?

Whoa... can't you all see the OP is just trolling on porpoise?

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WAR ON PORN: UK flicks switch on 'I am a pervert' web filters

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... those technically literate children haven't heard of proxying ...

Sounds like a business opportunity for someone. I might set up my own "lolicon" server. Short for "LOL Internet Condenser", don't you know ...

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It's a well-know fact

that pornography leads to sex, and sex is bad.

Wait, what? I don't even think that the first part holds water. Run that argument by me again, please?

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LG, Sanyo, fined for price-fixing laptop batteries

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m

I think it is missing.

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Surface RT: A plan worthy of the South Park Underpants Gnomes

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Re: credibility

... unless he tells you that he shined something, of course ... like maybe a jeweller or window cleaner?

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US town mulls bounty on spy drones, English-speaking gunman only

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Re: I hope some fool shoots one down...

shoot at a drone or a normal aircraft.

No, Dougal, let's go through this one more time: those are small (pointing at drone, obviously), and those are very far away (you should be able figure which I'm pointing at now, hopefully).

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Rap for rap chap in crap rap app flap: Jay-Z blasted by privacy bods

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Re: *Applauds*

Agreed... sub head could have been improved on ... he's got 100 problems (now the bits are one)

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Apple needs help: iWatch, 'Retina' iPad mini delayed until 2014?

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iPad maxi?

Hmm... any news on whether that will be coming out in pink? You know---"for her."

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Microsoft lathers up Windows 8.0 Surface RT for quick price shave

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Re: Microsoft Price Policy

Microsoft have to choose between Surface RT becoming a cheap Linux box without Office or landfill RT.

Well the first is not going to happen. MS was never going to let you install another OS on this thing. Just why they thought selling a locked-down ARM tablet with no software ecosystem to speak of (having "Office" hardly counts, given the licensing terms and the fact that's it's restricted in other ways) was going to work is a mystery to me. Just who was it supposed to appeal to? Perhaps they made all those silly ads first and the various departments heads got carried away with how cool it seemed (to them) that they just had to go and build the damned thing.

There could have been a third option, and that would have been to announce a new cross-platform layer in Windows 8 and guarantee that all apps developed within the framework would work seamlessly across both ARM and x86 systems (and call it "Windows 8 Anywhere" or even use "Windows One" as an umbrella term to indicate the stuff will run on any of the MS/W8 platforms, including the new XBox) . Technically, the three main options for doing it would be (a) machine code translation like qemu (which the ARM/RT platform isn't up to doing well enough), (b) fat binaries that compile to both target platforms (like Apple did when it migrated between hardware platforms, twice), and (c) compile everything into a platform-agnostic bytecode that can be JIT-compiled into native code on the target platform at near-native speeds (eg, like Dalvik on Android). A consequence of this would have been no backwards compatibility on the RT platform, but if MS was really serious about it, they could totally have pushed everyone to adopt this "Windows One" (or whatever you want to call it) approach as part and parcel of taking the Windows 8 pill.

Unfortunately, as we can see from history (eg, .NET, Silverlight), even (or should that be "especially?") a behemoth like MS finds it very hard to do portability/interoperability. And anyway, even though it often pays lip service to these goals, in reality that's not what it wants. Rather, it wants to lock you in to its own proprietary solutions while spreading FUD about patents and whatnot to actively prevent interoperable implementations (which is why, for example, Mono on Linux is seen as such a bad idea for so many people). Besides the technical challenges, for this to be a success would require a large amount of bravery on the parts of the team tasked with developing Windows 8 all the way up to Ballmer. I simply think that there's no way they'd have to stomach to bet the farm so heavily on this sort of "Windows One" concept and risk making Windows 8 even more hated than it already is. The evidence for that is there: just look at the split personality that the Windows 8 desktop has as the prime example.

So I think I'll have to agree that landfill is probably the most likely final destination for most of these machines. In a few years time, my guess is that the App store will go away as the machine is quietly end-of-lifed so RT won't even be much use as a museum piece.

/my €0.02

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Gadgets are NOT the perfect gift for REAL men

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if the guy isn't into gadgets then power tools may well be the way to go

I found myself wondering about the blurry line between gadgets and real tools. For example, how should you feel if your gift was a set of three miniature chainsaws ... and a juggling instruction DVD?

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Giant human-powered quadricopter wins $250,000 Sikorsky Prize

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hmmm...

If it's 58 metres in width, then how does it fit into a 10m2 area? Is it managing to fold space and time, Tardis-like?

And as to Leonardo, chances are he'd be looking up from below: his craft never stood a chance of taking off. But still, he would no doubt be chuffed.

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Ciseco Pi-Lite: Make a Raspberry Pi trip light fantastic with 126 LEDs

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Re: sudo echo $'The Register on Pi-Lite' > /dev/ttyAMA0

re: sudo echo $'The Register on Pi-Lite' > /dev/ttyAMA0 won't work

For those that don't know, when you mix redirection with sudo, it's your (non-root) shell that tries to do the redirection (>) part and if you don't have write access to the target the whole command will fail.

You need to use this idiom instead:

echo 'something' | sudo tee target

Rewrite the original line and if becomes:

echo $'The Register on Pi-Lite' | sudo tee /dev/ttyAMA0

Also, I'm not sure what that $ is doing in that line. Typo?

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Euro GPS Galileo gets ready for nuclear missile use

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Re: In today's climate ...

And mentioning "climate" puts you on another watch list. Oops. Now I'm on it :(

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Brit server maker Avantek puts its back into ARM servers

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keep the performance per watt [...] lower than Intel

Eh, that's the one they way to keep higher. The bit in ellipsis (cost/performance/watt) is, as you say, something they want to keep lower. So minimise Watt/GFlops and €$£/GFlop/Watt.

Personally, I'd love to see some of this stuff making its way out of the data centre and becoming something that someone could buy as a desktop/workstation replacement. The low-end ARM-based systems (Pi, ODROID and so on) are all severely lacking when it comes to I/O bandwidth and interconnection options. I'd love to see more of this on-die high-speed networking stuff make it into consumer products, preferably with similar buses/interconnects for accessing GPUs using something standard like OpenCL. I know that's unrealistic given that the desktop market is tanking and nobody wants to risk ARM in that kind of system right now, but if such personal mini clusters of ARM machines were available, I'd jump ship from x86-based systems in a heartbeat. I guess there's always Parallella, but it remains to be seen when that will become readily available, how easy it will be to program for, how much software support there will be for it and so on.

As I said, it's all a bit of a dream scenario, but at least it's good to see the ARM platform developing into something that you can do some serious processing on. Give it a few years and I reckon I might just get my wish.

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US State Department coughs up $630k for Facebook Likes

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You can also can try to effect a change, though it mightn't have the effect you wanted. If it doesn't work, you might affect an air of not caring. Of course, some might say that being on Facebook is all about affect[ation] anyway.

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Modern-day Frankenstein invents CURE for BEHEADING

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Re: Canavero...

or is it Cadavero?

It's pronounced FRONKENSTEEN!

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Sony Xperia Tablet Z: Our new top Android ten-incher

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Re: wireless charging?

I think you miss my point. If I have to fiddle with a plastic cover every time I want to charge the thing, then being waterproof is just an annoyance rather than a benefit to me. Also, how easy is it going to be to break or lose the cover over the lifetime of the device?

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wireless charging?

The review didn't mention if it has this, so I assume not. A pity really, since without it I imagine that fiddling around with the port cover would get annoying pretty quickly. Waterproof may be nice for some, but messing around with port covers could turn this into a negative for many others.

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Kaminario: We can keep it up longer than other flash array bods

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So wrong ...

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to point out as being wrong, apart from what I said about rewriting full pages. To be honest, as I started to write I had a different idea about what the article's author was asking us, and by the end of it I figured he was asking about something slightly different, which I answered with my last paragraph of "gibberish".

The essential idea I was trying to get across at the start was that with flash-based systems you need different strategies for updating data on disk than with traditional block-based storage. You can't just update a structure like a B-Tree or a directory entry in situ because of the penalty that flash memory as a medium imposes on you. I don't disagree with what you say that we don't use a naive approach for updating a single block in this case---you're totally right to say that instead we group updates and write them all in a single page. But this has implications for filesystem integrity. If you can't mark the original data as obsolete and you can't just erase that whole page, then how do you (a) know which copy is the correct one, and (b) how do you handle problems like loss of power while writing the update? That's why I mentioned timestamps and periodic compaction. That's all I can really say on that because I'm not really sure where I went wrong in explaining it.

Maybe it's the last two paragraphs, but the last one paragraph is, I think, the key point I was trying to make. Up to that I was trying to explain the problems with error recovery at the flash level (which implements its own log-structured storage system at the firmware level, as you say), but what I think this Kaminario system is describing is more like Fawn-KV[pdf] and SILT. [abstract]. Those approaches use relatively large in-memory indexes to find data values on flash, and store all the data (including indexes) in a log-structured storage system on flash. FAWN-KV, in particular, looks a lot like the diagram, which shows each block spread across multiple nodes. The way this is usually done (and is done in FAWN-KV) is to use consistent hashing to spread the data across several nodes/silos. FAWN-KV also includes replication, so that a single hash key is stored to more than one node/silo. That's the essential point I was trying to make regarding node failure and recovery from it: FAWN-KV can recover from this quickly in the short term because an alternate node/silo is there to provide a backup copy of the data, although repartitioning the hash scheme (with associated costs of moving the actual data across nodes) will be necessary in the longer term if a node is really dead.

The SILT paper has a section on extending their scheme to include crash tolerance/crash recovery, which, again, I think is what our author here was really trying to get his head around.

HTH.

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why log-structured? (and failure cases)

We can't see why this has anything to do with sustaining a level of performance during a system failure, but maybe Reg readers can.

Have a look at the wikipedia page for "write amplification" to get an idea what the problem with traditional uses of flash storage is. In a nutshell, writers and updaters of the memory tend to treat it as a normal random-access memory. However, since flash needs to be updated many blocks at a time (in a unit called a "page", I think they call them), if you've just changed one block, then you need to read in all the other blocks in that page, update it and write it back out to a fresh place on the disk. If the power fails in the middle of all of this then it can be tricky to figure out exactly which blocks are now good. Worse, since the R/W pattern tends to be random, other files can be sharing the same page, so any corruption will not necessarily be limited to just the file (or chunk of a database table, etc.) that was being updated at the time.

With log-structured databases, you just imagine the whole disk to be like a circular list. In the simplest case, you just push stuff on the end of it and if there's a power failure, you just rescan the whole list from start to finish and delete any uncommitted writes. Of course, it's more complicated than that since O(n) traversal just to find some bit of info on the disk isn't practical, so most log-structured dbs will have some sort of compaction and indexing threads going in the background. Also, updates are generally timestamped so that later writes in the list override previous values. They'll also generally keep as much of the indexes in RAM as possible so that (notwithstanding initial delay when reading this in from the flash at startup) it's efficient to find the data you're looking for (and writes/updates generally simply involve writing to the head of the circular list, so it's O(1)).

A quick search for log-structured databases and file systems throws up examples such as Log-Structured Merge Tree (LSM-Tree), Riak's Bitcask, Logbase, Fawn-KV and SILT (Single Index, Large Table, IIRC). Any of the technical papers describing those will most likely explain why log-structured is the way to go with flash-based storage. Maybe my explanation above is enough, though... but definitely read the wiki page on write amplification and things should make a lot more sense.

Oh, just one other point... your actual question was to do with performance after a failure. Chances are they use something like Fawn-KV or SILT: some redundancy is built in, so that there will be backup "silos" for storing the data (much like RAID replication). Using a Distributed Hash (DHT) lets all the silos effectively share a common key space, and if one of them goes down, then collectively they can switch over to the alternates, while in the background they'll repartition the DHT space to account for genuine hardware failures (as opposed to transient errors). You'd have to delve into some of the papers of the above systems and (if they exist) the ones describing kaminario's implementation in particular, but I'd guess that's what they're doing and what they're talking about "sustaining performance during system failure".

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Apple threatens ANOTHER Samsung patent lawsuit

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Damn

I wish this whole patent litigation thing was something more like it's portrayed in Spiral (Engrenages) from the telly (BBC). I'd love to see what would happen if a case like this landed on Judge Roban's desk. All this litigation definitely waxes vexatious.

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US cops make 'first ever' Bitcoin seizure following house raid

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Re: 20 years in the slammer

Sending him to prison for 20 years is only dealing with the symptoms of rampant drug abuse in the US. It solves nothing, and in fact often ends up making things much worse. Drug addiction and the war on drugs is a closed, vicious cycle. Until society starts dealing with with the causes and start implementing proper political, educational and treatment policies, there's really no light at the end of this tunnel.

I don't know if your calling for a 20-year sentence is because of some fucked-up absolutist sense of morality or because you're some sort of sadist who enjoys piling suffering on top of suffering. The two are probably not mutually exclusive. I do know that for as long as the current system continues in the same stupid, vicious cycle, we'll always have people like you offering up these gems of "wisdom".

How sad.

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Internet daddies win Blighty's 'Nobel for engineering'

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Re: Marc Andreessen couldn't make it ...

Wait. Why the downvote? We are talking about hackers, right?

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Marc Andreessen couldn't make it ...

... and will be handed his prize by Britain's ambassador in the US.

Excellent, once he's inside the embassy, we can nab him, bag him and ship him off to a secret detention centre. Oh wait... Britain's ambassador. Sorry, never mind (I think).

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Planetary data merge shows three Earth-like planets in close star system

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... where gravity is less of a problem

Well, you have to consider that gravity doesn't just get cancelled out just because you're under water. Don't forget that you need to add up the total weight of the atmosphere *and* the liquid water above you. Some forms of life on Earth can tolerate extremes of pressure, but who knows if life could actually have started under such conditions.

Also, to be totally pedantic, just saying the planet is 10 times more massive isn't the whole picture. We also need to know what the planet's radius is. If it's large enough, the surface might have a tolerable gravitational force.

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