Excellent news. Of cours the investors have all been duped. The car will never reach 1000mph. As it hits 888mph (we have moved on you know) the flux capacitor will kick in and the whole thing will disappear leaving but a trail of flames.
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Normally, I groan when faced with yet another "cloud computing strikes again" type comment, but in this case I'm absolutely in agreement. A todo list is fine on a piece of paper, stuffed in my back pocket. We're not talking project scheduling here, it's just a list. I've just checked and there are dozens of shopping list apps out there too which is unbelievable. Paper, back pocket, HB pencil, job done.
Re: There is no security issue
We are all blinded by dogma and nostalgia. The health service in the UK needs more money - a lot more money. We need more doctors and nurses and we need to pay them more. We will need a lot more geriatric and other age related facilities.
What Tony Blair proved is that chucking loads of money at the NHS as it stands is tantamount to chucking it into a black hole. It disappears and nothing improves. Something has to change and an urgent and honest national debate is needed about how to dismantle the current dysfunctional system and build one that can handle the epic healthcare challenges facing us over the next few decades.
One thing is absolutely certain, the NHS as it stands is an outdated, inadequate and inappropriate vehicle for delivering health services in the UK for the 21st century. Let's get over our ideological hangups and have a serious attempt at tackling the problem. If we don't, chaos and disaster in our healthcare system are guaranteed.
There is no security issue
Because it is not going to happen. Many billions will be spent. Many IT services companies will come and go. Fuck all will be achieved. There is therefore no security implication.
The electronic patient record has been in the making for over 20 years. According to this article it will now be available by the end of 2017. Bollocks will it be.
The NHS will never learn that grand, centralised, monolithic schemes will never work and they will continue to waste our hard earned dosh with the behemoths of the IT industry.
The internet is not a centrally designed thing, which is why it works. It's a set of protocols to which anyone who wants to build an internetty thing must adhere. That's the route the NHS should be taking.
Britain clearly has an almost religious attachment to the NHS, and Jeremy Cunt is not helping things. I think that attachment is wrong. The state should guarantee each and every citizen their healthcare through a state funded insurance scheme. Almost certainly however, the provision of healthcare and its satellite services would be done better by multiple, competing, well regulated private organisations. We have world class medical professionals being managed by an organisation of world class waste and incompetence. This has to change.
Can someone explain
How did Troy Hunt verify the leaked data by encrypting his own password with bcrypt and comparing it against the leaked hash when he would have had no idea what salt Dropbox had used for his user account? Or did the leak include the salts?
It looks more like a chorizo.
Re: Saw this coming and recently decamped to Zen
Zen. I use them for home and work broadband and landline. Cannot rate them highly enough. You pay a bit more, but it's worth every penny..
Re: Yup you're old
@Ragarth. Totally agree. I just get frustrated with the large contingent on El Reg who are anti-cloud full stop. They base their entire opinion on services such as Office 360 or SalesForce where in effect you lose control. There are many shades of grey between in house and the Office 360 / SalesForce type scenario. Horses for courses and all that.
Yup you're old
Years ago my company used to licence a copy, at great expense, of the Post Office PAF file, with regular updates arriving on tape which had to be laboriously loaded into our in house system.
Now - we use PostCodeAnywhere of course. Yes, we depend on a third party for this, but so what? We depend on many third party companies to do business, not least our utilities suppliers, accountants, logistics companies, Internet service providers and so on ad infinitum.
With IT, it's not outsourcing that's the issue, it's how you arrange your outsourced services and who you outsource them to that matters.
In this interconnected world, where as many or more of our users are remote as are office based, the geographical location of the systems is neither here nor there. Even firewall's, DMZs, and intrusion detection systems are increasingly irrelevant in a world where the distinction between your internal and public networks is ever more blurred. You need to defend each system individually, not the perimeter.
I'll stick my neck out even further. Anyone who still believes there's an advantage to running an in house data centre where they can touch the hardware and see the blinking lights is hopelessly out of date. If you know what you're doing, you can deliver far more reliable, far better performing, far more functional systems by outsourcing (cloud or otherwise) than you can in house.
PS I'm old too.
Re: Electrical Smoke Event?
Exactly! Why does everything have to be an event these days?
Severe weather event = big storm
Seismic event = earthquake
Unanticipated landing event = plane crash
Morning ablution event = shit/shower/shave
It's the bloody yanks again I tell you. They started it.
The ch is the hardest sound for a non-native to get right, hence the time honoured test of asking someone to say "chuchi chaeschtli" which simply means kitchen cupboard but is damn hard to day if you didn't grow up saying it. When a Swiss says the ch it sounds OK. When a foreigner tries it, it normally sounds like they're about to deposit an enormous flob at your feet.
Not mentioned in the article but must be part of Google's thinking is that on their door step in Zurich they will have the ETH - probably the best technical university in Europe.
The main thing I got from this article is that the Graze office is in a smashing building on the river at Richmond in a Georgian quad opposite Facebook and PayPal - a fact that impressed the author so much he had to write it twice.
Re: The Cloud...
In this case, the customers should be OK. Outsourcery, inspite of its misleading name, is just another reseller of MS cloud services and as such it is likely that service will continue. Now, whether being on the MS cloud is a good thing is an altogether other discussion.
Re: Surely there's a marketing made in heaven here
With the greatest of respect and to your great credit, your post is an excellent demonstration of why you are a techie and not a marketer.
Isn't it ironic
I am in general, and in contrast to much of the opinion expressed on the Reg, a fan of cloud and the opportunities, if used wisely, it offers. This though is a little ironic. The company that just irretrievably lost data for quite a lot of its US customers reports record sales because the competion is cr*p. Have you actually used SalesForce? I have, and it's a nightmare. If they're the best, the others must be truly tragic.
Horses for courses
These are all good points well made. It surely depends on the user base you are considering when assessing where your systems should run. If the system you are looking at is for internal consumption within your business, keep the system local. If you are serving tens of thousands of consumers via the web, it may well make sense to place that system in a third party data centre with massive redundant routes to the Internet, something that would be tough to deliver from your own premises. If your system is serving both internal and external user communities, then maybe hybrid is the answer.
I agree entirely that using cloud infrastructure is no silver bullet either financially or technically, it just increases the options available for delivering solutions.
Re: Keep your e-mail seperate
Sounds like BT have taken swift action. "I have supported 28 million ..... And now? I am sitting at home polishing my LinkedIn profile".
Bet he was cockahoop when they finally got them all off.
This hits the nail on the head. You need to spot the moment the encryption happens by seeing the change between two incremental backups. Even if all your backups are WORM and even if they're on tape, there's still the scenario where the encryption is done but the malware keeps serving up data normally with a software shim for say a month before cutting everything off and demanding its ransom. This means you've got a month's worth of useless backups. Even if your archive goes back more than a month, the data will be completely obsolete. There is malware out there that does precisely this.
As AC says, the only solution is to make log checking your religion and spot the problem as it's happening.
PS this one wakes me up in the middle of the night too!
Re: What about redundancy and DR ?
Many SMEs do indeed blindly trust in one platform provider, but in Spotify's case I suspect it's a calculated business risk. Google is less likely to go bankrupt than Spotify, so they probably won't disappear overnight. The cost of downtime is a known factor as is the cost of using multiple providers. Given the dependence on proprietary Google tools, having a second provider would involve a complete port of the system to another set of tools. I imagine the cost of this massively outweighs the cost of projected downtime.
Downtime in itself is not necessarily an evil. The cost of five nines often outweighs the business advantages of doing it.
"re-organisation in sales that would allow disrupt its currant"
Could be a typo. More likely it's a verbatim quote from the sales director.
I would work for free if it was for a team called X-Force. It would be worth it just for the answer my seven year old son could give his mates at school when they ask him what his dad does.
Which is why I'm always amazed when someone spends weeks pitching their product and writing, honing and perfecting their proposal, ping it off in an email to the client and don't bother to make the phone call to be sure it's reached its target. Email delivery is unbelievably unreliable and should not be used as a mission critical business tool.
Bring back X.400 that's what I say.
Judith sounds to me a lot like one of those CIOs who place a strong strategic focus on the Chief and Officer side of things (and don't you forget it mate!) but prefers to deploy a light touch approach to the Information part, which is after all jolly hard to understand and is probably best left to others.
Re: Re-locating all that computing hardware
Spot on! However we arrange our infrastructure we are all unavoidably dependant on a host of third party services from the power grid to communications networks to payment processors et cetera. If we forget the word cloud and replace it with internet, we are of necessity all using it. Having a bunch of servers in your own data centre is only the tiniest piece of the jigsaw.
Re: Fixed headline
Re: Clarification ?
Good point. My understanding is the same as yours, but this article appears to suggest the opposite i.e. that you cannot idependently collect and distribute the same data as Football DataCo. If anyone from Outlaw is reading it would be interesting to know the answer.
For El Reg!
There I was feeling like a pariah and thanks to you, the Registrati, I feel normal again. Let's face it, most of us have sailed past the new weekly limit before breakfast on a Monday. By the end of a boozy Sunday lunch sitting in front of the snooker with a couple of cold ones I should, it appears, be dead. Instead, as the white ball clacks softly into the black, I find myself blissfully at one with the world and all creatures that inhabit it.
Re: Likely causes....
Chill. We all get downvotes for comments we thought were really great but clearly weren't. That's the beauty of the comments, they help put our own views into perspective. Stop digging and move on.
Re: DevOps Man...
Indeed. We should all shy away from mediocrity and instead make sure we check our posts for typographical errors before hitting the submit button.
Re: Very disappointing
If indeed you had no breach (although I find your explanation for the resets somewhat implausible) this is still an object lesson in the art of communicating with your customers whilst you are undertaking a seriously disruptive precautionary action.
Re: "trumpet's Da Vinci expo"
It's still arguably his name. Many, probably most, last names have their roots in something descriptive. Johnson, Thompson, Smith, Taylor, d'Arc all stem from something descriptive. They're still last names though.Not sure about Beeblebrox.
Having been a Galaxy addict, I bought a Swift and am incredibly impressed with it. At £129 quid it's a no brainer.
Well they're quite clear that it's on premise, so under their direct control.
I totally agree with you however, WTF is meant by cloud in this context. Smacks to me of a PR bod using buzz words to garner some free column inches. There's probably a NATS IT bod squirming somewhere.
In fact what is probably happening is that NATS will replace some old onsite infrastructure with some new onsite infrastructure, probably deploying machine virtualisation so that they can scale up capacity super fast in the event of a spike in load. This would make sense given the last failure resulted from overloaded server hardware due to a spike in load caused by an unforeseen use case of the NATS software.
Depends on whether it's IaaS or SaaS. If it's true SaaS such as Salesforce.com then you are completely at the mercy of the service provider.
If on the other hand you only need infrastructure services, say a bunch of VMs, on which to run your own applications, then just use two (or even three if you're really paranoid) different service providers and mirror your servers. Very easy, very cost effective, and extraordinarily reliable.
We use two different UK service providers, mirror the VMs between the two and have a third location for archive backups.
That's why any decent DR plan will include multiple geographically separated redundant pubs.
Re: Physical access required
Why would you want to give your car to one of the fathers of the Internet? Or did you mean serf?
I know, sarcasm gets you nowhere, but I couldn't resist.
Re: A-Level results
Hear hear!. The only bit I don't get is this continual comparison of engineers/techies and sales staff. It's not what you do, it's about how well you do it.
If the sales person in question is a cold calling telesales person they get paid peanuts - probably less than an equivalently skilled tech job. If they have the rare ability to make sales of tens or hundreds of millions of pounds a year they of course get paid a shed load.
Equally if I fix PC hardware or hack code I get paid peanuts. If on the other hand I write a brilliant search algorithm and pair that up with an ingenious page rank system in order to enable highly targeted advertising, I get paid a bomb. As I would if I were to invent cold fusion in my garage.
To get paid well, it's not enough to do a good job. You have to be creative, innovative and several cuts above average. It's nothing to do with engineering vs sales.
And to those who argue that the City is hoovering up all the best IT talent for huge salaries, of course they do. Finance is basically an IT industry now and they need the best software architects and network architects in the world to compete. It proves that there is indeed a a very well paid market for the best tech talent.
Re: Not so good
Agreed. So, like Brenda, I assume you give up a good slice of your time working with school kids and nurturing their enthusiasm. Unlike you, I don't, but am seriously considering doing so for the reasons you mention.
This is great news indeed for the kids and for the country.
I have a good female friend with a senior tech position who also does the STEM ambassador stuff. A very worthy and admirable thing to lend your time to!
Saw it last year at the Shoreham airshow where it stole the show and stress tested the ear drums! An iconic machine which I'm glad my kids by happy chance got to see in action see before it was retired.
Re: Three weeks without being able to send mail
Without any hesitation I can recommend CloudFloor DNS (http://www.mtgsy.net) who have provided us and our customers with a top notch, highly reliable service for many years now. They're brilliant. The shocker is, their service actually costs a few pounds a month. Unbelievable isn't it! Who'd have thought that you have to pay a reasonable fee to get a good service. Just doesn't make any sense.
Re: Fiona Johnson
Reminds me of an episode of Red Dwarf where Lister is, in a virtual/drug induced world, snogging a gorgeous bird, whereas the lips he is actually kissing in the real world belong to some slobber mouthed alien beast.
Re: Nirvana.... or not
Thumb up to that. There seems to me to be an opportunity here to set up a business purely for the purpose of "co-ordinating and managing a large number of SMEs" on behalf of government departments. Based on a management fee of one percent of contract value that would be 100 million pounds on the HMRC contract alone. Sounds like a worthwhile venture to me. Who's in?
To boldly go where no Platonic solid has gone before.
Re: "recreational terror[-ism, -ist]"
I too was greatly tickled by that particular phrase!
"Darling, just popping out for a spot of terrorism. Should be back in an hour or so. Love you."
Re: "The US has been the first to flyby every planet of the Solar System"
I hope Symon and Voland aren't programmers. Their grasp of syntax is clearly somewhat lacking.
Re: In other news:
Indeed. Which could be messy if their internal software system fails to correctly route the egress traffick, resulting in the shit hitting the fan instead of the correct target destination (the pan).
On balance I like El Reg
But this article is just awful. The quote from Sol Cates clearly demonstrates that he has no idea whatsoever what he's talking about. I doubt there was any "backdoor link" that left the "computer database wide open" (what does this even mean?).
I suspect that the only encryption in place was between client and server via https. The "backdoor link" was most likely an unencrypted database, open to anyone either via a web application vulnerability or via direct access to the database server.
You will also notice that even now, the site does not enforce https. If you go to paymypcn.net you end up on a standard http connection (even though they still display the Verisign Secured logo at the foot of the page). You have to explicitly go to https://paymypcn.net to get an encrypted link.
To try and blame the DVLA for this is disingenuous of PaymyPCN.net. This is just a shite web application full of all the usual holes, and John Leyden should have spotted that whilst blindfolded and with his hands tied behind his back.
Which is very good to hear for an open source fan such as myself, but in this context makes the sums look even worse. If the software licence costs are lower, that means that an even more ridiculous and frankly unbelievable sum is being spent on development.