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Leeching is still leeching
:: So don't preach to me about artists, because their right to copy music is nothing compared to the right to get on the internet and voice an opinion without the fear that it will come back to bite you ::
Don't be so pathetic.
Most people, I think it is two-thirds, don't share music or download music illegally. You are asking for artists to be f*cked over permanently, just because you're a selfish minority. But you know it's illegal. If you've done the crime, you do the time.
The internet would be a lot better without you whining little Freetard brats, that's for sure.
Here come the Twitter idiots
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I'll repeat it slowly for you freetard dunces.
You're a bit thick, aren't you?
@AC: "Yes, because it really is so simple isn't it? All use of P2P is illegal."
I'll repeat it slowly for you freetard dunces. If you don't P2P fileshare movies, apps and albums you have nothing to worry about.
Hopefully we'll get a freetard behind bars - they'll probably think the law doesn't apply to them.
Nice and easy for the Freetards
If you don't P2P then you don't have a problem.
What's that you say? You can't control your kids? You don't know where they are? If that's the case, you shouldn't have an internet connection anyway.
Free sweets, too.
"So here's a theme the i in iTunes, iPod etc stands for indentured, so let's end indentured music and indentured artists."
I want free sweets.
And free crisps.
And free choccy bars.
Nothing short of the Complete Abolition of Sweetshops, Newsagents, Kiosks at Railway Stations etc will do.
Building yurts by candle light
"The group is worried that government policy does not offer enough juicy subsidies to nuclear power and so-called "clean coal" technology."
You mean - energy sources that actually work?
Perhaps being in business, much of which is the production of material goods, the CBI's members know that keeping the lights on is quite important.
Not something that would ever worry a hippy. You can always weave a basket by the light of the Moon.
A lesson for Freetards
"She's tried on some quite shocking lies with two courts already and had them (understandably) knocked back. "
Exactly. Some posters here still don't get it.
"Ambulance chasing in the 21st century. $80k a track. Who was the jury. The CEO and their kids of the fortune 500?"
Two juries of citizens (not ONE but TWO) were completely sick of her lying. She brought it on herself. It was Jammie's decision, not the RIAA's decision, to go to court with just a bag full of lies.
Was she hoping for a jury of 12 Freetards?
Eventually you get what's coming.
Jammie lied and lied through two public trials. Now she wants a third?
The RIAA shouldn't get a cent - the fine should go to the US taxpayer. And Jammie should be tried under a different law:
(1) having taken an oath before a competent tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in which a law of the United States authorizes an oath to be administered, that he will testify, declare, depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration, deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true; or
(2) in any declaration, certificate, verification, or statement under penalty of perjury as permitted under section 1746 of title 28, United States Code, willfully subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be true;
is guilty of perjury and shall, except as otherwise expressly provided by law, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. This section is applicable whether the statement or subscription is made within or without the United States.
Poor, poor freetards...
The whole world's against you. It's all an evil conspiracy by music business lawyers in Black Helicopters. They are more powerful than governments, etc.
If all that is true, how come file sharing is unstoppable?
Long term trends
"Climate looks at long term trends, with 30 years being the standard for determining climate trends."
Unless you're the BBC, James Hansen, Al Gore, the Met Office, NASA, NOAA or any other climate quango or activist. Then you just need three consecutive sunny days - and Gaia is melting.
However you slice it, there is nothing in the temperature record today that is outside the bounds of natural variability: whether you start at 1200 or 1850.
Citing activist rent-a-quotes at the Met Office doesn't help your case. It demonstrates that you don't know the difference between an opinion and a supportable hypothesis.
(The IPCC summary you have quoted the bit written by politicians, bureaucrats, activists and other IPCC hangers on. There's no science here).
Have you figured out why you're losing the argument?
I'll make it easy for you:
The scares aren't coming true. The runaway warming hasn't happened. Every anecodote has a plausible alternative explanation. The models aren't predictive. The "science" looks like junk. And shouting "denier" at everyone who disagrees has just lost you mainstream public opinion.
Man Made Global Warming may well be true, but Joe Sixpack is getting very, very bored with you.
Now go back to school and come back with something convincing.
Better living with the Greens?
"If the greens are wrong, and lets hope they are; most "green" policies still provide better long term benefits; less dependence on fossil fuels, preserved biodiversity, sustainable food production, fewer wars over resources, and ultimately a better standard of living."
You are joking, right?
Green policies are explicitly anti-growth and anti-wealth. And we're supposed to be happy with it.
In the words of George Monbiot:
"It is a campaign not for abundance but for austerity. It is a campaign not for more freedom but for less. Strangest of all, it is a campaign not just against other people, but against ourselves."
No sane citizenry has ever voted for this.
Or ever will.
Graham Bartlett's Talking Points
Your script tells you to say:
"Science is (or rather the scientists involved are) totally clear that global warming is happening"
Scientists like the Met Office? They acknowledge no net warming this century. It's 2009 now. Many scientists think there's nothing here that isn't consistent with natural post-1850 warming and some are worried about a new long term period of cooling. Which means more problems for humanity than a degree or two of warming.
Oh dear. That's not in your script, is it?
"El Reg disagrees that it's even happening."
The Reg may be useless a lot of the time but they have one eye on the data. You need a new script.
@cloudberry the gullible
"Climatologists might point out to increasing global average temperatures"
Global average temperatures haven't increased in a decade.
"all those scientists agree that we are facing a horrendously serious global problem"
Are you this dumb every day of the week?
Here come the Twitter idiots
@Jen: "Your comments on Twestival are totally misleading! Twestival.fm is a tiny part of the overall event "
Ha ha. Is this whole story a prank to show how Twitter users are morons? If so it seems to be working.
Jen, why didn't you read the article or even any of the comments? Are you on Twitter because you can't read at all?
Twunts deserve all the abuse they get.
Phil D. Space. Is there a Phil D.Space in here?
"Interestingly, Microsoft’s pivotal role in Google’s planned service emerged as plans for Microsoft’s own online calendar and contacts service for mobile took another step forward."
The "interestingly" is sarcastic?
Thanks for the non-denial.
(You were quick to deny being a climate scientist)
Which climate institute do you work for then mate?
"it doesn't waste a lot of time to shoot 20 bullets from a machine gun compared to a bolt-action single shot rifle."
So that's why you always leave 50+ comments on every eco thread.
Pierre: Mark works for a climate institute.
Well I clicked on the first six at Jamendo mate and they're fecking terrible.
That's a typical Freetard response. Don't tell me - your idea of art is a translucent Gnome widget, you spell Microsoft M$ and you live with your mum. Only a serial failure could recommend that garbage.
"Smiley face because I am happy to see the record industry go under."
Frowny face because you can't think of anything better to replace it with.
Mark works for Big Climate
Months ago Mark let slip that he works for a climate institute - he just isn't honest enough to say so.
My guess: the CRU at East Anglia, Tyndall or Hadley. There aren't many more in the UK.
35 posts on this thread by Mark and counting. Keep it up mate, they might give you a pay rise.
Monoape: Get your facts right
Obsessive blogger Tim Lambert fails again. Theone was working for NASA in 1999, as a consultant. Theone ran the climate programs which Lambert fails to mention. Some nobody, eh?
Anyone who quotes blogs that use insults like "denialist" doesn't want to engage in rational discussion. Smears were to be expected - I didn't expect them to be so lame.
Own up, Mark
Mark wriggles and Mark wiggles - but still won't say who his employer is.
(You already admitted this months ago, Mark, when you talked about the like totally awesome climate modelling your colleagues do).
Where would that be again?
Freetards won't pay.
"These broadband companies OVERSOLD THEIR SERVICE."
Er. Probably to freetards like you.
Do the maths: one 24x7 Torrent users wipes out the profit margin of hundreds of users who don't leech porn and movies all day. A single tard also chokes the network. Do you expect Comcast to come round and give every Freetard a smoked salmon breakfast?
Of course they'll downgrade the service. And yes of course they'll try and manage badly behaved applications like Bittorrent.
Why are you surprised?
100MB patches? Yeah, right. Do your homework - it's the 5GB a day Torrent-tards who are crippling the industry. Same in Japan, where fibre is installed.
"So don't blame us torrent users for being the first to try and use the bandwidth we were sold. This debate is about the music industry failing"
The ISP industry is also failing, in case you didn't spot it. Thanks to people like you, who don't know how it works, but want to leech as much as you like hoping the light users don't send too many emails.
The ISPs are retarded for implenting flat rate pricing. The Freetards are retarded because they won't pay the true bandwidth cost of their pr0n habits.
@Ian: you fail at economics
I'm glad you're not running my ISP - it would go titsup in about two days.
"As for incentive to invest? Well how about not losing customers when their network becomes unusably dire?"
That's not an incentive to invest. That's an incentive to get out of the ISP business. You Fail.
"If there really is a problem then if anything it's the budget packages, free, £5 a month, £10 a month etc"
You get free music and movies nonstop from an ISP for a flat rate, you whinge and bleat about the injustice of it all, then you blame Grannies who use email once or twice a week. It only takes one Freetard to wipe out the profit of low use subscribers.
"It's pretty clear it's actually the high end package users with their still disgustingly low bandwidth caps that are subsidising the ISP landgrab"
No, you have it backwards. Completely, 100% backwards
If you want unlimited internet then fine, get set to pay for it. No one owes you Freetards a living
"The same is true in Japan, South Korea "
Where the taxpayer has funded the networks - and they still run sh*t slow because they're
saturated with Torrents.
I doubt you've ever run a Lemonade kiosk, but hey, don't let complete ignorance of the broadband business stop you having an opinion!
"lowers the tone"
"Using 'M$' just makes you look like you're trolling, and kind of lowers the tone, y'know?"
If you were worried about the tone of comments here, 90 per cent of them would be rejected. Why pick on users who use a poor pucky piece of punctuation?
"Manufactured bands were lapped up by punters who didn't know any better ever since Motown and some of the early fifties 'rock' bands."
So what? If you don't like it, don't buy it and don't listen to crap radio.
" if you were to collect all the tracks from the top 40 when that said track was released, you would be hard pushed to tell the difference between the majority of the rubber-stamped chords and rifts."
So what? Disposable pop = good. Sorry if it doesn't have 15 chord changes or 8 minute drum sols.
I can't wait for a whinging baby who can't spell to tell us what we can buy!
I thought Mac zealots were mad! Anti-copyright extremists like Richard Kay almost make them look sane and rational.
The comparison of American freedom fighters like Richard Otis to anti social inadequates who don't want to pay for digital music shows how mentally retarded these people are. It insults the memory of real freedom fighters who really were getting a raw deal and were fighting a colonial army.
How on Earth is paying for art that you value oppression? It's a choice you make. When I last looked DRM hadn't killed anyone, and paying for music was not compulsory. You can always spot a fanatic like Richard Kay because they have lost all sense of proportion.
What a sad and lonely man you must be to take away creator's rights and call it fighting for freedom.
Freetards can't cut it
The Oxford Project is a fantastic book. What an amusing comparison with the vanity Creative Commons effort.
But even if Joi Ito had the talent of a Man Ray or an Ansell Adams, I don't think anyone would want to look at pictures of saddo Creative Commons Freetards 20 years later.
Gyms don't guarantee that you can use all the equipment at any time - there are more subscribers than facilities. It's the same with mobile networks - not everyone can make a call at the same time.
This is clear enough so stop whining and blaming somebody else. If you didn't read the small print, you're a sucker.
It's basic economics
"People complaining that so called "freetards" are hogging bandwidth are quite near sighted. "
No, it's you who's being near sighted. Try running an ISP for a week, and you would understand the costs involved.
Broadband pricing should reflects its costs. For most of us prices would go down and for the Top Five per cent of Freetards, costs would go up. As it is, we are all subsidizing a small number of anti-social leeches.
The ISPs must take some responsibility for promoting uneconomic business models which guarantee customers get pissed off - eg, "unlimited free broadband" with low caps. Many ISPs cache game patches and Linux distros on their network, BT and Virgin should too.
But ultimately P2P Freetards need to be priced according to their costs, or move to an ISP that is prepared to subsidise them.
Want to take on the burden, Rodrigo?
@Frederick - Do the maths
"They always pick on p2p as this gets emotions high and the "i dont use it so thats ok " brigade tp fight their corner but believe me you will all suffer for it."
No, 95 per cent of us will be better off without the 24x7 Freetards.
People have grokked that. You need to do the maths.
"vote with your feet"
Please do. But can Freetards vote first and quickly please?
Virgin is onto a winner, and knows it
Julian gets it.
typical random Freetard whine: "The ISPs are the ones to blame in this whole affair"
No. ISPs are in a business where costs are variable but revenue is fixed.
It's the 24x7 Freetards who drive up the costs for everyone else. The selfish Tards depend on everyone else subsidizing their warez, free music and free movie habits. That makes these goods more expensive for everyone else. It also makes monthly ISP bills more expensive, because Virgin has to pay for traffic from outside its network.
A Freetard downloading films 24x7 is 100 to 10,000 more expensive than the average user. They cause 99 per cent of network congestion. If Virgin can chuck the 5 per cent of Freetards onto some ISP stupid enough to take them, costs go down and network performance improves.
The other ISPs will follow suit, and all the diehard Freetards will end up on an ISP that goes bust.
It's going to be fun!
How do I switch to Virgin?
Two thumbs up from me.
You get a better service once these socially retarded leeches have moved on to cripple someone else's network. Hurry up Virgin, and please do everyone a favour. Don't wait until next summer.
Freetards on Virgin: can you SWITCH ISP NOW PLEASE so it's nice and fast for when I join?
@Rob the gullible
"how much payola is there each year from the likes of Exxon to rubbish AGW AGAINST ALL AVAILABLE SCIENCE!?"
Gosh, you're excited. CAPITAL letters and Exclamation?!? marks too.
Well, Rob - you need to compare Exxon's payola against the aggregate of state, foundation and NGO payola devoted to propping up the unproven hypothesis of AGW.
These calculations have already been done:
Exxon has spent $150m in 10 years trying to attack the AGW thesis. Greenpeace alone spends over $200m, most of which is on "climate change". The annual budget of the UK Carbon Trust is $400m.
Now factor in NASA, the UN's IPCC, Gore's $300m payola fund, and all the other agencies that know they can get funding from repeating the AGW hypothesis.
The funding from the UN, state governments, and Greenpeace exceeds Exxon's budget by 20x - 200x. It's party time!
This is how you win an argument - you buy up all the airtime, all the scientists, and the public opinion will follow.
"I could go on all night."
I bet you could.
@Rob the gullible
"How about the 95%+ of Climate Scientists"
I'd double check your numbers Rob, rather than repeating what your mates say in the pub or what you read in the papers. If you do that, you'll notice that skepticism about this unproven hypothesis is widely shared in the scientific community.
Because they've kicked out everyone who disagrees with them (which is common in cults and extremist political factions) then naturally everyone in officially state-funded Climate Science is 100% agreed on AGW. I wouldn't expect anything else.
If you're a "climate scientist" and you dissent from the AGW mainstream and the AGW payola will go to someone else.
“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.
“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.
“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”
“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.
“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.
So thousands of scientists disagree. They must all be paid by Big Oil or Aliens in UFOs, right?
5 REAL reasons for FAILURE
1. Hans wants music, but he doesn't want to pay for it
2. Hans wants music, but he doesn't want to pay for it
3. Hans wants music, but he doesn't want to pay for it
4. Hans wants music, but he doesn't want to pay for it
5. Hans wants music, but he doesn't want to pay for it
"destined to fail" eh, Hans?
The Party's Over
"Paul, the Swedish Pirate Party didn't need many votes to get other parties to adopt their policies."
None of the parties adopted the PP's policies, like reduce copyright term to five years. The Pirate Party was a complete failure all round.
Get over it.
Mark: Speed record for disinformation
Looks like someone has forgotten their meds:
By Mark Posted Thursday 20th November 2008 12:05 GMT
By Mark Posted Thursday 20th November 2008 12:08 GMT
By Mark Posted Thursday 20th November 2008 12:10 GMT
By Mark Posted Thursday 20th November 2008 12:13 GMT
By Mark Posted Thursday 20th November 2008 12:19 GMT
By Mark Posted Thursday 20th November 2008 12:20 GMT
Lots of tombstones. Less haste, and more time checking your "facts" please. Especially about Greenland.
@Richard Kay: you fail
From the link you posted:
"The Pirate Party captured 34,918 votes in the Swedish general election of 2006 ... 0.63% of the overall votes"
No, that's was a huge fail. The Pirate Party missed their target, 1%, which would have qualified for state assistance. So voters smacked the Freetards good, and no one ever heard from them again. (The press clippings dry up in early 2007).
So it proves the opposite of what you claim. The public isn't interested in Freetards, either. Not even Freetards bankrolled by fascists:
The voters have no lurve for the record biz, but if you think people want to abolish or weaken copyright you're living in a sad deluded world. With some well dodgy friends for company.
The Googletards are out
How dumb can Reg readers be? Just write an article about Google and we soon find out:
"Google is still the best of the bunch (ha ha Live Search ha ha), so no probs there."
That's not the point.
"At least Firefox gives us a useful browser"
That's not the point either.
blackworx has it right. Crooked accounting practices are NOT ok, just because Google funds them, or a Freetard browser rolls out the back door of the factory. Some people seem to be bought off pretty cheaply.
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