163 posts • joined Thursday 18th October 2007 12:04 GMT
On Azure, Virtual Machine disks are stored as VHDs in blob storage, so would only count as one object regardless of how many files were contained within the file system of the VHD itself.
If the 8.5 trillion includes each row in a storage table, I can see how they could get up to that number. If you counted everything I have in blob, queue, and table storage, I would be easily in to the millions and I am a very small time user of Azure. I suspect we're comparing Apples with Oranges here...
Re: Flashing news!
Dynamics CRM and Sharepoint development teams are the ones who deserve that moniker if the issue truly is that their web pages are crap and IE11 isn't forgiving enough to render them properly.
It's great that MS are finally trying to be standards compliant but for $deity's sake, make sure your own web apps are standards compliant first!
One scary thought emerges. IF these applications work fine in Chrome/Firefox, then does that mean that IE11 is now more standards compliant than Chrome and Firefox? Scary thought!
"cash wasted on IT assets that have now been written off to the tune of £140m in taxpayer money to date"
Only in government can you piss £140m up the wall, with more to come most likely, and still have your job! If you've managed to make that a much of a mess of it when there aren't even 1,000 people on it last I heard, then you need to go work on the friers at McDonald's which may be more responsibility on a level more suited to your talents.
Re: You forgot one thing...
It was good in it's time, but as stated by yourself others, it's had it's day and doesn't support things it really needs to in the modern world.
This has been a long time coming so if they really did just recently spaff a load of money on XP licenses, then they have no one but themselves to blame.
Windows XP is 12 years old and, as much as I loved the old gal, all good things must come to an end and M$ capitulating to Beijing will only make the transition more painful in the long run as it will just make everyone complacent and then they'll leave switching until 5 minutes before whatever new expiry date they negotiated.
As a good will gesture, Microsoft could offer them a good deal on a load of Windows 7 licenses. Or alternatively, they've got a load of Surface RT's gathering dust in a warehouse, maybe the PRC are the only ones on the planet desperate enough to buy them!
Given the downtime some of the cloud providers have had this year, it would be nice to see a plot of who had the most downtime and how severe that outage was.
For instance, Microsoft's glitch with deployment last month would rank relatively low as nothing actually went down, you just couldn't deploy.
However the certificate expiry outage, the other one they had that I can't recall the cause of, and Amazon's various EBS clusterf**ks would rank higher as there was actual loss of availability.
It would be nice to see, once and for all, whose cloud provider has the worst actual availability.
Both Nadella and Mulally have their plus points, Nadella has pointed Windows Server and Azure in a good direction. As Charles Manning said, Mulally can offer non-MS, non-IT business perspective which could also be invaluable.
I don't really care who it is as long as it's not Elop, he should join Apotheker in the list of people who shouldn't be left in charge of a sweet shop, let alone a multi-billion pound business.
The whole TIFKAM thing personally doesn't bother me, but I get why others don't like it.
All Microsoft had to do was do exactly as they have on Windows Server. On server, you have the choice of Core, GUI, or a halfway house that keeps MMC but is otherwise GUI-less. If they had done this with Windows 8 and given you a choice of Touch+Classic which would be what we have now, or just Classic, which would be Windows 8 desktop, maybe still with the start screen but without all the rest of the TIFKAM stuff (or even optional Start Menu/Screen), Windows 8 would have been considered a success.
Just performing a desktop-to-desktop comparison between it and Windows 7, it is faster, uses less resources and has some really nice touches.
The vision of merging the platforms was a desirable one, but badly implemented. As the author notes, internal fighting between departments completely ruined that vision, meaning it will take them years of unravelling what they now have to achieve what they wanted in the first place.
Is no one capable
of making functional high-quality hardware any more?
Possibly showing my naivety here, but would it not cost them less to just make something that works rather than have to support easily breakable low-quality crap?
Re: Those things won't fix it
Agree with everything there.
I'd not touch Windows RT at it's current price but if I see a Surface RT at firesale prices ala HP Touchpad, it would definitely be worth a go.
Re: Not entirely retarded.
I think a lot of it comes down to internal politics, the original idea was that you would be able to "write once, run anywhere" but it didn't come off in the end.
I can't remember where I read it but I remember an article that suggested Steven Sinofsky and/or the Windows team refused to work with the Windows Phone team, so they both went their separate ways and we end up with the massive missed opportunity that we now have.
Imagine if Windows 8 had been released and suddenly you could write apps that worked on Windows Phone, Windows 8 and Windows RT with little to no change. It may not have changed the perception of the interface itself, but I suspect a lot more developers would've given it a go and the story for the Windows Store would be vastly different to how it is now.
Re: Basically, another bloody version
IE11 on Windows 8.1 is really fast, even on a low specced old Atom Netbook. Never liked IE10 but 9 was pretty good and they have been far more standards compliant since IE9, still too slow for daily use in my opinion though.
However, there seems to be a major difference between the pure developer side of Microsoft (ASP.Net, Azure, EF, SignalR, etc) who are all doing really good work and being as open as possible, and then there's the gimps who are stuck in Microsoft's past who continue to score own goals for the company and shoot themselves in the face repeatedly.
XBox One AlwaysOn debacles, no IE11 for Windows 8, IE11 on Windows 7 half-arsed, the list goes on. Someone needs to points these idiots to the Dev departments to see how they should be operating.
You get people to move to new OSes and platforms by making it worth their while with features, not by making it as painful as possible for them to stay where they are!
Re: How many worldwide wobbles are we up to now?
Already posted this once, for some reason it didn't make it!
I think we're up to 2 or 3 this year, 2 major ones which caused a lot of downtime. This one was just a deployment inconvenience, not even remotely a "meltdown", but definitely a "cock-up"
Complex, distributed global systems are hard, no surprise there. All cloud providers have had down time in recent years, it would be useful if someone kept a tally of number/severity of outages so we could see who was faring worse.
"Cloud" is a trade off, you exchange the convenience of not having to deal with managing your own infrastructure for potentially less up time if their systems have problems. To me this is a worthy trade-off, to others possibly not.
Re: I havent personally experienced this but....
A friend of mine had the same issue recently when moving in to a brand new estate. There was no Virgin so BT was his only choice, they failed to turn up 3 times before they could be arsed to actually turn up and install his line. The first two times they cancelled the appointment but didn't tell him, the third time they just plain didn't bother to visit.
Interestingly, according to the representative of the construction company that he spoke to, the reason BT was his only choice was because they'd made a deal with the construction company that wouldn't allow Virgin to lay their lines during construction and somehow actively prevents them from doing installations on site for X years after completion. How on earth can that be legal?
No digging out of product keys required. Open store, click on half page button for Windows 8.1 upgrade, go away for 2 hours, come back and its done, easier than Windows Update in my case as my work has a baulked WSUS install that screws it up.
I don't use IE day to day for the same reason as everyone else, but IE11 is a lot faster than IE10 and generally more pleasant to use.
Blocking Windows 8 users from getting it though is ridonculous!
Re: Cloud hype
Thank <deity/> for Tivo!
Re: Cloud hype
"Cloud" in the sense that it is implemented currently is about scale, not reliability. Unfortunately, no one told the marketing people so they continue to espouse the reliability aspects which just gives people unrealistic expectations.
We run several services on Azure, which has an infrastructure and set of services that is far more powerful than anything we could ever afford to build. To us, this is worth the potentially reduced availability, your mileage may vary.
If you take a site from your own servers and expect it to have the same uptime on cloud with no extra effort to make it resilient to failure, you're going to be disappointed.
As of now, none of my service are affected, looks like I managed to dodge a bullet there.
Until we have a blue sky of death icon, the nuke will have to do.
Re: Oh come on...
Don't know what you're using your computer for but I've been using Windows 8 for over a year and my productivity has gone up after the initial 5 minutes learning curve. If it takes you more than 5 minutes to figure out Windows 8, you really shouldn't be in IT.
Walled garden, as opposed to the completely open ecosystem that is Android and IOS? Difference is the Windows one is optional, I don't use any TIFKAM apps bars the mail app because it is actually quite good. Don't like it, just use desktop apps and carry on. Try that same approach on an Android or iDevice and see how much you have to root the device before you escape their walled gardens.
"Key to Snowden's revelations was the snippet that PRISM operated with the active help of major technology companies."
I think active help is a little generous, to me that implies that these companies had some say in the matter. "Active cooperation with a gun to the head and promises of a long prison sentence if they didn't comply" seems more accurate in this case.
In fairness, isn't that the case for most phones these days?
I don't think any of the OSes have added features in recent years that make me want to rush out and buy a phone just for the shiny new OS, it's all about the hardware.
I'm possibly biased considering 80% of my phone use is the camera, the remainder being texting and Candy Crush, so this suits my uses perfectly.
Re: Windows is Windows is Windows, except for those Windows
Couldn't agree more. The biggest fail from my perspective is that the desktop is there, you just can't run desktop apps. It is essentially only there to service Office and just gives a false impression to the user. If the desktop was completely gone from the RT so it was clear that you could only run Metro apps, then I don't think people would have as many problems with it as it's use case would be a lot clearer. As it is, it just seems a bit half-arsed.
This is good news if they enable pay-per-view at a reasonable price. I just don't have enough time to watch TV to have a Netflix subscription, but if the PPV prices were reasonable, it would be a great addition to an already excellent service.
and it is a brilliant device, we just bought one to replace an aging laptop and when it comes to Windows laptops/tablets, there was nothing in the same league for under £1000.
Conspiracy theory time
Nice to see the conspiracy theorists are as unbalanced as usual.
Does anyone really believe that Microsoft thought Windows Phone was so shit, that they poured millions in to developing it, put Elop into Nokia in order to peddle an OS that they knew would bring down the value of the company, just so they could buy said failing company, therefore taking on all the risk, and make it to do more of the same that caused it to lose all it's value in the first place?
This is akin to sending someone to shoot a bull only to pay them billions for the carcass so you can watch it decompose. It just doesn't make sense, even Ballmer isn't that far gone.
Having said that, I think Microsoft buying Nokia is a big mistake. I wouldn't be surprised if HTC and Samsung ditch their WinPhos in fairly short order, and good luck getting any other manufacturers to make WinPhos if they're going to be competing directly against Microsoft.
Shame really as I was seriously considering a WinPho for my next phone, you'll be hard pressed to find better hardware in a phone than the Lumias and the OS seems to do everything I want from a phone.
You're kidding right? The developer experience for Windows 8 is an absolute arse and it has very little of the purported interop with Windows Phone that was supposed to be the big selling point of Metro prior to release.
There are a great many voices within Microsoft who understand that the focus should be on developers, not internal politics or egos or empire-building by one division at the expense of another. I am personally hoping for someone like Scott Guthrie (probably not actually Scott as he's not high enough up the chain, but someone with his priorities), the developer and feature story for Azure has improved ten-fold since he took charge.
"Abrams has long been interested in analogue film, using techniques like lens flare throughout his work to evoke the pre-digital era."
Abusing lens flares you mean, the bridge of the Enterprise looks like it uses supernovas for lighting.
I'd definitely have a Surface Pro if they were cheaper, but I just couldn't bring myself to be in the same vicinity as the current generation of Surface RTs. One of the big issues of the RT is that it doesn't run desktop apps while simultaneously giving you a desktop, thus falsely raising your expectations until you realise that the desktop is there only to serve Office, it has no other use.
Ditch the RT but keep going with the Pro, It'd be nice to pick up a Gen 1 in a year or two for a knock down price.
Just to be annoying
Interestingly, all the new toggles in Windows 8.1 don't seem to include the ability to turn the start button OFF. I don't need it (my keyboard has one) and it's using up a valuable taskbar location that I've got quite used to having free for whatever I like.
You can please some of the people some of the time...
Your paranoia isn't unfounded by I don't think it's really fair to blame the companies.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't MS, Facebook, Google, et all required by law to hand over anything the government asks for, and aren't their mouths zipped by law that prevents them from saying anything about it.
I'm sure all these companies don't want to "willfully go along with accommodating" the NSA's snooping, but the current situation is the worst example of a police state where companies are legally obliged to do these things yet can't legally tell anyone about it. They gain nothing from working with the NSA and it's not like they can say no, they simply don't have a choice.
The real scandal here is how successive American governments have managed to terrify the American people in to handing over their civil liberties one by one, thus allowing this shady backdoor intelligence operation to exist in the first place and affect us all - all in the name of the "War On Terror".
It looks plainly obvious that this wouldn't have happened without the drilling, but does that automatically mean the drilling company are at fault?
Assuming they did everything right (stuck to processes, did the proper surveys, etc) and there is no way they could've foreseen this happening, are they still legally culpable?
Suggest a read of Lawrence Krauss' A Universe From Nothing, a fascinating read which nicely explains everything and makes sense even to someone who is not scientifically educated such as myself.
What is it with El Reg this morning? This is the third story I've read with glaring grammatical errors, the others being http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/17/australia_reduces_microsoft_license_fees_by_aud100m_for_second_time/
Is the coffee machine broken?
Since TIFKAM was first announced, Microsoft were selling the dream of writing apps that worked on either Windows Phone or the desktop OS, a dream that never really came about. We were supposed to be able to write apps that would just work across both platforms, but this remains a distant dream.
Allegedly, the two teams refused to work together, resulting in the disjointed developer experience that they currently have with APIs that look quite similar but are not remotely compatible.
Joining Windows and Windows Phone in to a single group can only be a good thing in my opinion. If they can keep new APIs cross-platform, I think it would be a real shot in the arm for TIFKAM apps.
If they had achieved this on Windows launch, I think you'd see a much richer app ecosystem than you do now. It wouldn't have solved all of Windows 8's problems, but it certainly would've helped.
Re: I kinda like W8 Pro
That's pretty much my experience right there, although I suspect I probably think more highly of the search features than yourself :)
I have a number of techie friends - consultants, IT Admins, etc - and whenever I mention Windows 8 I immediately get the usual "blurgh", wouldn't touch it with a barge pole response. If I asked how long they'd actually used it for, I suspect the answer would be never or "in a vm for 2 minutes".
I honestly thought I'd struggle without the start menu, but I find the only thing I miss is the recent documents functionality that the Start Menu had. When you're primarily a keyboard user, start screen + search is far superior.
Re: Who is the Eadon Fellow and why does anyone care what he says?
Just sit back and enjoy it, sometimes I only come in to the comments section to see what rubbish Eadon is spouting today, he does make me laugh. Sometimes he even pops up in unexpected places, spouting anti-MS rubbish in the comments for articles that have nothing to do with MS at all.
I half suspect that he doesn't hate MS at all, but just enjoys spouting controversy and getting people all worked up who feel the need to correct his blatantly false and exaggerated ramblings.
@Trevor_Pott, bravo on the Eadon rebuttal, very eloquently put.
Re: The MS takeover of Nokia already happened
"You'll all see things my way in the end."
Oh I sincerely hope that day never comes.
While your suggestion is perfectly plausible, never attribute to underhandedness on MS' part what can just as easily be attributed to Elop taking a job that was way over his head and, not knowing what else to do, going running to the familiar to help him out.
I've seen this happen many times in the past and would say it's equally, if not more, plausible than the trojan horse theory.
But regardless of Elop's reasons, Nokia are now a mere shell of what they used to be. I remember when everyone I knew had a Nokia phone, and we laughed at the poor sod who'd ended up with a Sagem phone. Those were the days...
Re: NSA Snoops on YOU
Just because a proportion, say 10% (and I'm being generous there), of your paranoid-delusional bias turns out to be kind of true, doesn't make the other 90% of MS ARE $HIT AND EVIL rhetoric any less unfounded.
Maybe after PRISM was 'born', the first case involved someone who had a hotmail address. Maybe they weren't asked first, but were simply the first to comply out of a load of companies who were asked at the same time. It honestly could be any reason, no need to assume at this point that it's an MS being evil reason.
Given the language coming out of Google, Apple and MS - accepting that there may be a certain amount of ass-covering going on - it seems that they didn't really have a lot of choice. If they are bound by laws that prevent them from speaking specifics about the data they have provided, I'd be highly surprised the NSA are just relying on these companies providing the data out of the kindness of their heart. Even if there aren't laws involved, I'd be willing to bet they didn't ask nicely...
MS are just as responsible for their actions as Google, Apple, etc. Disproportionately focusing on Microsoft only serves to let the others off easy.
Re: NSA Snoops on YOU
Is it not possible that MS were simply the first company to be asked?
Also, from what I can gather, the data Microsoft provided consists mainly of information regarding people's Microsoft accounts which, prior to Windows 8, were completely disconnected from one's OS. All the files on my PC, except for any that were in SkyDrive, are completely unknown to Microsoft therefore making your statement of switching to Linux to avoid such information being hoovered up completely erroneous.
MS have the same amount of data on a Windows user using their MS account online (Outlook, skydrive, etc) as they do a Linux user using an MS account online (all 2 of them). Last I checked they didn't send your local search queries to Amazon against your will without allowing you to turn it off, unlike a certain Linux distribution...
Some of the points you make in this and other posts are actually quite valid, but your continuing paranoid-delusional bias against MS completely ruins your credibility.
"So being the most clued-up guy on the team may be good for the ego, but is bad for your career"
This is exactly the reason I left my last job because I felt that I could no longer learn anything from my colleagues who were less motivated/knowledgeable than myself and I was just plain bored by the lack of opportunities to improve myself and learn new things and was in a position where my only possible career progression was waiting for the DBA to leave/die.
Going from being the most clued-up guy whose expertise was consulted on everything to the newbie who knows nothing was a massive shock to the system (and a little to the ego) , but I am far happier for making the jump.
"buy new copies all your expensive software that doesn't recognise the new version number."
In fairness, you can hardly blame Microsoft for that, unless the expensive software you refer to is Microsoft's.
Where I think Microsoft are taking the lead here is in working towards a single toolset that manages resources both in your own datacenter and in theirs, without having to make a context switch or think differently about how you do things, just enabling management of resources regardless of where they are and making their datacenters a natural extension of your own.
For Enterprises who want the flexibility of "Cloud" in their own datacenters and the flexibility to occasionally offload some work to Azure, this could be really quite useful.
I just wish the marketing bods had come up with a better more-specific term than "Cloud", the term has been so badly abused to include things that it isn't that it doesn't really mean anything any more, same as the HTML5 abuse.
TIFKAM aside, just as a general feature, the curated view of search results actually looks quite interesting if it works as advertised.
Start button - meh, who cares. I have a physical Start button on my keyboard, which is where my hands are already. I can see how useful this could be for people who are primarily mouse users though and for whom the absence of the start button in Win8 was a major WTF.
Same disinterest in the personalization options and animated backgrounds, of no interest to those who use their PCs to work. Before any one says it, yes you can work on a Win8 PC, quite easily.
The All Apps view looks a lot better, the old start menu didn't have sorting of individual apps alphabetically ( you could sort folders, but that didn't help when you knew the name of the software but not the company that made it), although it seems like such an obvious feature that I always wondered why Microsoft never added it. However, anything would be an improvement over the current All Apps screen which is just eye-bleedingly appalling.
Some interesting features there. Just a shame they picked a guy who sounds so condescending, almost as if he were explaining this to a room of 4 year-olds - "Skydrive, that's the Cloud" - wtf?
Re: Windows 8 and 8.1 are to force the masses to want Metro UI
I suspect you're being a tad optimistic there. Having said that, I'll congratulate anyone who manages to get to the top 2 coming from so far behind the established market leaders, regardless of who they are.
Interestingly, while watching a Samsung or HTC advert for their latest Droid phone the other day, I couldn't help but notice how much their home screen resembled the Windows home phone screen...
The hardware on Lumias I think is beautiful and the metro interface definitely appears to work better on a phone than it does a desktop, MS just need carriers and retailer start actually advertising their phones. While looking for a phone late last year, I went in every phone shop in my home town (we have pretty much all of them, and every charity ship imaginable) and only one had a Windows phone on display, the others didn't even have the slightest hint that they had them.
Re: Windows 8 and 8.1 are to force the masses to want Metro UI
"- That's never been a problem for Linux. If you have a good kernel with stable API's, then supporting legacy software is not an issue at all."
Which is exactly the problem, Windows doesn't have a good kernel, hence why doing any sort of major restructuring is difficult. There are tons of undocumented low level APIs that, in truth, no one knows how or where they are being used, this makes touching them very risky. AC @ 13.45 puts it better than I.
""they just have too many users relying on the OS to be able to do a complete rewrite and cut this crap out"
Again, so does Linux, yet Linux is not bloated."
I can't think of many businesses that have thousands of end-user desktops running Linux. Not bashing, simply stating fact, unless of course you have evidence to the contrary...
"Sorry? In a BYOD env the users software works fine for that user. Why would they conflict?"
What I was referring to was the fact that in BYOD, IT essentially has no control of what prerequisites or conflicting applications exist on these machines, meaning there is a lot of scope for conflicts and missing dependencies. With the app store model, everything is sandboxed and can't have any of these external OS dependencies, making it must more robust when the state of a device is not known.
"Again you are sacrificing the convenience of the user for the convenience of the sys admin or MS. The users are the ones that get work done, and Metro prevents that productivity."
I'm not sacrificing anything, I'm just saying that the Metro app store model works better in this scenario. Whether or not that is a worthy trade-off is a decision for each individual business.
"So you seem to be saying that MS are right to use Metro to support BYOD even though Metro is damaging the relevance of Windows as a business device. Yes that makes sense..... NOT!"
No, simply saying it's easier for that model. If you're not doing BYOD, then I see no particular reason to go anywhere near Metro. However, if you are, then it is worth evaluating as a possibility as it's sand-boxed nature could provide some benefits in the long run. Whether or not it is right is, again, a decision for each business to make. I think MS have made a really poor job of making Metro usable for businesses (I tried writing a LOB app in it, I gave up in pretty short order), and BYOD is a possible place where it could serve some purpose where the difficulties of writing the apps is paid for by the easier maintainability and reduce possibility of conflicts with piece of software X on employee Y's machine.
Not everything is black and white, good or bad. Some things work for some scenarios but not others, I'm simply playing Devil's advocate.
Re: Windows 8 and 8.1 are to force the masses to want Metro UI
Well if you've got a monopoly, you'd be a fool not to make use of it.
However, I don't think anyone really needed the plan laying out for them, Microsoft are clearly trying to move towards owning more of the ecosystem and I can't say I blame them. Windows has to support 10+ years worth of crap legacy software, this isn't the reason for it's bloat but it's certainly a major contributor, they just have too many users relying on the OS to be able to do a complete rewrite and cut this crap out. By moving more software in to a managed store, they can better manage changes and I'm sure they hope to be able to rip out some of their legacy code in the long run.
Microsoft are never going to be number one in mobile, or even number 2, I think their long game is for number 3 which, in a multi-billion pound and growing industry, is still a good chunk of money. You don't have to be number one for it to be worth competing.
They also see that BYOD is happening, although god knows who is actually doing it as IMHO it's a terrible idea, and they're trying to make Windows a good option for that use case, same as any company would do. Like it or not, in a BYOD environment, desktop apps just aren't going to work that well due to their myriad of undocumented dependencies and conflicts with each other. I don't go anywhere near Metro apps, but if I was writing an app to work in a BYOD scenario, Metro is actually the more manageable and maintainable platform. They really need to make writing these apps easier as it is currently a complete pig.
Like it or not, I think we all know where you stand Eadon, Windows is the main business OS and to completely ignore new ways of working such as BYOD would only serve to reduce their relevance, which has already been damaged by the Metro debacle.
EADON STATING THE OBVIOUS FAIL
Re: Maybe its the writing...
From the user's/manager's perspective, that's exactly what a Cloud is - a generic pool of stuff that works just how you want when you want.
Not everyone wants/needs a Cloud, but it seems as if it is all optional so if you don't want it, don't install it.
Trying to unify private and public cloud in this way is actually quite clever. With Google and, to a lesser extent, AWS, you have to choose whether to go on premises or cloud right from the beginning or risk having to go through the pain of migration. What MS are trying to do is give you the tools to do private cloud if you want to, for instance if you know you will need to use offsite resources eventually, but aren't there yet. When you hit the limit of your internal resources, you have the option of spreading this over to Azure without having to learn a new toolset or manage them both as individual sets of resources.
And more Powershell, can't argue with that.
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