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Don't publish the review until it has been re-written.
And at least twice. OK. So you do not seem to be able to procure devices for very long. Well as far as I am afraid that right there is the biggest issue. I want to know what something is like after it has been used and abused for at least three weeks. Every single waking minute of every single day for three weeks. If it is a laptop then it is the reviewers only laptop. Mobile phone? Then it has to have the reviewers main SIM in it for those three weeks. Quite frankly I'll be happy to wait for a review from this site so that when it comes I know it has been really reviewed. If possible get the device to more than one person and have the review period staggered to take into account any early software/firmware updates.
Camera centric phones (so anything from Nokia then I guess), have them reviewed by both a photographer and someone else. The Nokia Lumia 920 review was a very well done review but could of benefited from a proper photographers take on the camera bits in my opinion.
Yes I want to see the full gamut of facts and figures as well as a good run down on what in that list effects the price.
Being able to use the screen with normal winter gloves on is the key feature for me on the new phones! The camera isn't such an important feature for me as I already have an 808 as my main phone.
Nokia roll out the 808. Anyone wanting to get people to write about their camera centric smart phone, or for that matter pay any attention at all to the camera unit on their new devices, should just go home right now.
Instead of going after a bloody website why on earth don't they go after the actual agency? The FBI, CIA, GCHQ, NSA, DGSE, KGB and the ISI would all make much better targets than the FTC as well. If they could actually, you know, hack. Just taking down a website, well, that's like proclaiming to be a master criminal after you stole a Mars bar from Tesco on the last shopping day before Christmas!
El Reg, kindly stop writing about these utter morons until such time as they actually man up.
Not normally bothered by these reviews
No, I'm not. These group reviews are so light on details I normally like to find full reviews of each item across various sources and compare like that.
So why am I here and commenting now? Because in picking the Nokia Lumia 800 you have been as daft as a brush and I wanted to share that thought with you.
This review isn't about operating systems, ecosystems or form factors. It's meant to be about HD cameras. So you decision to not pick the Nokia N8-00 both astounds and disgusts me in equal measure. Yes it only records at 720p but it does have a standard HDMI mini output and includes a mini to full adapter in the box, and if you are running out of space on your (up to) 32GB microSD card and/or you've filled the internal disk while you are recording you can always plug in a USB memory stick and push your already recorded files over to that to free up more space. Then you can of course watch said HD recordings back from said memory stick via the phone while it is plugged into a HD TV and controlled via a suitable bluetooth device while seated on your sofa.
But then of course you know all of that. A more suspicious commentard might think that all of that was why you didn't choose the Nokia N8-00. But then I suspect that the publicly given reason will feature the word Symbian...
To everyone at El Reg.
Not that it matters to anyone, or causes any real harm, but I'll be giving every article that is based around rumours about a new device, or service, or software or anything else like that, a low as vote as possible from now on.
If you want some other "useless" advice why not set up a new site called something like "Here be hours of pointless speculation register" and so keep this complete drivel off of your otherwise top class sites.
Or Apple could fit a proper shutter button!
I'm sorry but no matter what anyone says about the camera qualities of a phone, unless it comes with a dedicated camera shutter button the camera is always going to be a pointless, last minute, half arsed addition that just shows that said phone manufacturer can't be bothered to take phone based photography seriously.
And here are are at the end of 2011 and still no one has managed to eclipse the best phone camera ever released, and that was over a year ago, by Nokia.
Well that all looks and sounds fine to me!
So I have to wonder: (A) What's wrong with me? (B) What am I not seeing?
As far as the "it's got DRM it must be bad" argument, well, one universal code, 12 devices allowed at any one time, several simultaneous streams, a seemingly huge mix of supporters for the format, yes I think I can live with that. Yes Disney/Apple are the wolf in the room, but how long can they stand to stay out of this? A year? Two? It seems to me that a year from now if I was in the market for a film from Disney and a film from a studio that supported this I would be tempted to go for the one that supported this. Based on what I know now.
All in all I actually feel like I want this to work.
Beat me to it!
I'm going to be very interested to see the output from their investigation in more detail when it all goes live. That is if it all goes live.
Also if this is what is being peddled around on the commercial market now then what do you suppose those agencies that pioneered all this technology are using now...
This is all just so moronic
Does anyone, really, think any of this is actually good and worth pursuing? Honestly? Personal tastes and preferences for modern technology aside I can't honestly see how any of this, be it in Australia, Germany or anywhere else is genuinely worthy of merit. And not just this case either, most of the other ones brought in this area seem to be equally pointless. I will grant that the cases based on company X chasing after royalty payments from company Y may have some technical merit given that in most cases I have studied the underlying patents cover some fundamentally important areas but in most cases these too are also handled so badly as to paint one or both parties in a very bad light.
And yet here I am using a thoroughly despised operating system*, running on somebody's idea of hateful hardware**, which in turn is running a browser so horrible*** as to warrant instant death to anyone so dumb as to admit using it to post on a story about one company's complaint about another company's product looking too much like theirs. ****
Does the action of the company feed the flames or do the flames power the actions of the company?
*Windows 7 Professional 64-bit.
**HP dv6-2050eo laptop
****Downvote and flame away :-(
I was actually looking forward to this game
I had last read about not long after they had announced it, so I have been somewhat dismayed by the reviews and comments that this has been picking up. Which is a shame because I've always felt that a racing game based around the simple act of racing from one side of a country to the other while avoiding the police and other road traffic would make for a very good game. I imagine a starting point where one has a number of serious of cars to pick from, say 50, all well programmed and designed to fully accentuate their real world differences. From there, there is the case of choosing the route, with say just a few jokers allowed to be played for changing this in the course of the game. Of course we would have to plan fuel stops, oil changes, tyre changes etc as well. With a unified start and finish point and a minimum distance to be covered and a well reproduced game world you could really have some fun with this. And then you're off! With say a maximum of 18 cars per race and if you kept it so that one type of car could only be used by two racers maximum it would ensure a very mixed grid and range of opponents
I imagine that you could play persistent online races as well, where a group of say 3 to 12 could compete in the same race with all progress saved between stages and the race only continued when all the competitors were online and available. And yes the same limitations on the number and types of cars would be carried over from the single game.
Obviously a lot of this is going to be against the clock, but sooner or later the cars are going to passing down the same road at the same time and so the racing against others would possible. Maybe for some parts of the route all cars could follow the same route and then the stages could run like the Tour de France with points awarded for "sprint winners". Once one country was finished then it would be off to the next! Racing across Russia from East to West would be fun!
The game must make the distances true though, of course, otherwise the whole point of the game would be lost!
Mine is the green anorak with the map covered with fuel economy figures in inside pocket.
Not so fast...
I don't see HTC notifying customers of a forth coming battery boost. I think you will find that this is Nokia tweaking the hardware to software interface of their own phones at such a low level as to leave the main Microsoft provided layer, the one HTC will have, well enough alone.
Screw this for pickup full of Porcupine burgers!
I have had enough. Enough of moles, and leaks and morons from those investment companies or whatever they are constantly trying to guess what the hell some scum hole of a Chinese factory is making for some bunch of over eager kool aid obsessed idiots of the most titanic nature.
I. Do. Not. Care. Yes this story is the one that has finally driven me over the edge.
Why am I commenting then? Because I can. And because I feel the need to be down voted to death by a group of people so moronically and zealously infatuated with the next "cool" thing that they wouldn't even notice if they got run over by a Challenger 2 at top speed while standing naked in the middle of Time square on New Years Eve!
I can't let El Reg escape my wrath either. Why for the love of all that is blue do you continually, and it seems to me more than ever now, publish these bloody things? What is the point? What is it going to do? If you want to know what a company is going to be doing next year, and you want to tell the world about it, then have the common sense and decency to go straight to the source. As the source will most likely not tell you then steal the damn information. Don't want to steal the information so that you can actually print something tangible? Fine! OK, so stop running these epically pointless and annoying stories and learn some damn patience.
I wonder if this will even get published...
Hardware review failings
Again El Reg seem to have seriously skimped on some details of the review.
1) Micro USB socket. Is this just for charging? If so then how long does it take to charge with a variety of chargers? Do they still pack a charger with the phone for that matter? What is the power draw like when charging and when the charger is just left plugged in without charging? What are the charging times like with other chargers?
2) If the micro USB socket supports USB OTG then do they include an adapter? If they do not, do they sell one for this phone and how much will it cost? Will a Nokia one work? How long is the adapter if one is included? How much power can be drawn down the adapter? What storage formats are supported? How does the file manager deal with external storage? What file formats are supported from external storage?
3) Mini HDMI. Does this come with a mini to full HDMI adapter? If not then will any old such adapter work? What level output is possible? Does the phone have a "big screen" mode that automatically starts when the phone is plugged in to a HDMI TV? Can you control the phone with a bluetooth control device while it is linked up via HDMI? Is it possible to charge the device while it is streaming a HD film via USB OTG and HDMI to a TV?
4) Music. Bundled headphones? Inline music and telephone controls? Quality of said headphones? Music reproduction qualities? EQ?
5) Camera. Sample shots? "Flash" throw or lack there of? Focusing in the video? Sample videos?
This is something that I would like you to test with all your Android phones please from now on, and even go back a few months and retest them the same way. Take the phone out of the box, charge until full, turn it on, and then run that benchmark test in a loop until the battery runs out. Recharge the phone, then set it to play 100 of the highest quality of music files it will handle with the volume set to 50% via the headphones until the battery dies. And then another two tests using a video streaming service with the screen at 50% brightness, one via WiFi and the other via 3G until the battery dies. Of course where possible you should subject iOS and WP devices to the same battery tests as well, and I am sure that this sort of testing regime would be a very good base for testing tablets as well.
Of course I don't really expect you to enact any of that last one as no one really wants to see just how horrific the battery life is on their "favourite" device/OS before they buy it. And from the look of this review and the recent Nokia Lumia 800 one it looks like the reviewers are not spending that long with the devices or seem to be that bothered about giving them a real hammering.
Forgive the idiocy
But how on earth does a rear tyre of that size manage to deal with all that power? What am I missing?
So far as it goes not a bad effort
And from the title I was talking about the review not the phone itself.
No comment on the maps from Nokia, how was the GPS signal pickup? Does this phone offer all the current Symbian methods of position determination?
The included headphones and music output as a whole got no mention which greatly disappointed me.
The included case that comes with the phone, worthless POS or actually worth using? Did it make the design issues worse or better for the reviewer? Was it even tried? How hard was it to get on the phone and then take off? Did it add excess bulk?
Charging time? Power consumption of said charger? Both when charging and not.
Design issues. OK you didn't find the design that great and I don't mind a reviewer saying that, but given it's been taken from the N9 nearly in its entirety I would wager that the build quality will be much much better than is hinted at in here. The technology of the screen got very short shrift. I find this baffling when it is of such a cutting edge nature.
Come on El Reg, stop pulling your punches. I come here looking for a review that lets the reader know that the phone has been truly used and abused. This reads like it was borrowed for 24 hours and that the reviewer had several other more important things to be doing at the same time. For a review score of 80% I would of expected much more detail. If you felt that all the phone had to offer was covered then I would of said the score, based on this review, should of been around the 58-62% range.
If I understand it all correctly there is a problem with the photostream function as well. Namely once a picture has left you iPhone for the cloud/photostream no matter what you do with the original still on your phone the copy that is up on photostream cannot be removed unless you either nuke the entire lot and start again or take another 1000 pictures to push it off the end of the list. I don't understand why you can't just go into your photostream and just take out individual pictures you would rather not have on there. Or am I missing something?
This review has just set my weekend up nicely!
Indeed it has! It reminded me that I have downloaded the latest mod pack for Falcon 4! Got to go and dig my discs out and install it again I'll admit, but a great weekend of flying and fighting awaits!
Might I suggest you buy a Nokia then! Their video call function, and I can vouch for this personally, will work with barely a sniff of a 3G signal! And has been part of at least 90% of Nokia's since 2007 via a front facing camera and for a couple of years before that using just the rear camera!
I can't help with the application support as I don't use Skype and my incredibly sparsely populated part of the Arctic circle has more than enough mobile signal going around for video calls to be, well, something that just works. :-)
But thanks for taking the time to clarify your point!
1. Network Specific. Eh? Is it really? So you can't video call someone on Orange from Vodafone then? Really? Why would that be? That is not the case in Finland! In fact I've video called, and received video calls, from friends roaming all over Europe!
2. Special pricing. OK. I'll give you that one. But is it really all that much more than say a MMS?
I've been video calling since 2007 and I really can't understand why it is so hard!
Umm, just select the person you want to conduct a video call with and call them using the video call function! Why would you want an application for this?
Oh come on!
Look Apple, if Nokia, who according to people from the Cupertino part of the world seem to be totally irrelevant to the mobile space, can pack a pentaband 3G aerial setup and NFC into a middle of the road €330 phone they why the hell can't you? It's not like your shy about using other peoples technology and taking ages to pay them!
I'm assuming then that you have never looked at a Nokia then. My old N85 had the option to disable aGPS, and should you want to, the internal GPS as well and use a dedicated bluetooth GPS job. My N8, and the wife's C7-00 and the mates C6-01 allow you to choose from the following list of ways to secure the position of the phone:
1) Assisted GPS
2) Integrated GPS
3) Bluetooth GPS
5) Network based
You can have all of these or any combination you so wish.
Hang on a minute!
"In order to grant the extraordinary remedy of a preliminary injunction, this court must find that the requested relief will not do serious harm to the public interest."
I thought that Apple's whole point for bringing this case was to do serious harm to the public interest! Competition is a good thing, especially when it seems that the companies involved would rather take a flame thrower to their opposition rather than collude in price fixing with them, so surely the heart of all of these cases brought by Apple against Samsung, and vice versa are purely designed to deny the public a choice in this matter.
I don't know why Apple can't accept that the customer can tell the difference between two similar products and make an educated choice. I'm disappointed to see that Samsung have responded in kind, surely the smart move here would of been to fight Apple in another way rather than sink to their level.
I try not to discriminate against one news source, reporter, author or channel or another just because they tend to hold a different position to me, under the premise that this makes me worse than them, but sometimes the Wall Street Journal make it very very hard for me to actually read their publication.
Articles like this just make me marvel at their seemingly never ending "America is the only country that matters" stance and while Jeremy Clarksons oft repeated lines about American car engineers knowing nothing of roads in other parts of the world may be past their prime now, a case could certainly be made for American technology reporters not knowing anything about the way the rest of the world works!
Built to last...
.... In the Arctic regions of Finland, as our Renault and countless others around this area will attest to! In fact if it isn't a Toyota it's a Renault. With a handful of big Volvo estates thrown in for good measure!
Yes you can!
You bloody well can die just by answering your phone! It's just that the act of answering the phone may have been disguised by the resultant explosion caused by the AGM-114R targeted on the person who answered the phone!
Never understood this fascination with minimum temperatures
Why do they quote them? Everyone knows that pretty much any camera worth it's salt will work in some seriously cold temperatures! I've seen some truly daft things quoted in technological circles in an effort to sell stuff but highlighting the fact that a camera will work in temperatures of -10 degrees C has to be one of the most idiotic!
No, my camera of choice is not waterproof. Most definitely not. Well it can survive being submerged for about 15 seconds as a result of a drop but it will not work under water that is for sure. But it will, and has, survived several drops of greater than 1.5m. Onto rock, pavement, into a river, on ice and onto metal. It has a compass and GPS. It will tell me where I was when I took the picture, how to get there again or how to get back from there, just like many countless other cameras. And I would wager the pictures taken by it would be as good if not better than the ones snapped on that "rugged" camera. And I've used it on more occasions than I care to remember at temperatures lower than -10! I think -33 was the coldest. Works very very well with gloves on to!
Although if I was in the market for a new camera, and fancied getting something a bit more delicate, I would seriously consider that Coolpix P7100! That does look the business!
Even after Anna?
If so care to share what makes it still so unusable?
Verizon and USB OTG
Given as this, and seemingly most new Nokia's since the N8 are pentaband does this mean they will work on the Verizon network in America? Or for that matter any of the other networks around the world that work on the same infrastructure as Verizon's?
Also does this phone support USB OTG?
Right so you buy the extra cable and plug it into the micro USB socket. Then it goes off to the TV and you can plug a separate micro USB charger into the adapter as well at the same time to charge the device. So how do you plug your removable media into this at the same time? MHL does not seem to pass out Dolby Digital 5.1 either. But feel free to prove me wrong on that point. Can you control the phone via bluetooth while it is streaming to the TV?
No I fully except that not everyone will use the functionality that is on offer. But, if I were to buy, for the example the Samsung Galaxy S II, I would look at passing/selling my N8 on. And I would then be looking to offering the whole package so I would then be getting ready of the adapter I already had. I fully expect that if a function is offered then the manufacturer should be expected to pony up the needed cables in the case of phones.
Camera. Yes I've heard about the "great" camera on the SGSII, but come on! It has no manual camera button, yet still has an autofocus and it still relies on a LED for flash! But even ignoring those points, even in outside everyday normal conditions, at best the camera on the SGSII barley manages to beat the best of the EDoF equipped Nokias.
Am I being too picky?
All of my friends, every single last one of them, thinks my continued use of Nokia phones is now an unhealthy obsession. And while they all admit that an iPhone is a little on the basic side for me they all continuously push various high end Android phones at me. And with this article I thought I would finally be able to see which ones could be in line to replace my N8 if I give in and jump ship. But. What on earth is going on with these camera's? I had assumed that by now that most of the device makers would of struck deals with Carl Zeiss or someone similar to build them some proper phone camera's. OK so some of them record video at higher resolutions than on my N8 but I'm much more interested in the stills quality, and as far as I'm concerned the video quality from my N8 is not in anyway shape or form bad. I'm not exactly a professional photographer but I do really like having my N8 with me and being able to trust in it's camera abilities. My second point. HDMI out. Does any Android phone come with a standard HDMI mini output socket? What about an adapter to link said socket to a full size HDMI cable in the box? Why no mention of USB on the go features? How many of these support this? I have a 16GB card inside my N8 with music etc. but as far as movies, TV series and podcasts go I have those on a pair of 64GB USB memory sticks. And it's such a boon being able to play whatever I feel like off of one of these. Even when out and about it makes for a commendable entertainment hub. It seems as if everyone has a 2mm Nokia charger in their house, and as the HDMI out also pumps out Dolby Surrond sound up to 5.1 out, my N8 has been plugged into several amp's, plug in either a memory stick, or a powered external HDD and give it a charge and off you go! And don't get me started on Ovi Maps. Although I will now concede that Sports Tracker is out for Android as well now.
Many of my friends say I'm not "getting" the whole point of Android. But I thought the whole point of getting one of these high end devices was that as well as making phone calls and sending text messages etc they also offered all the latest advances in terms of hardware. Or am I really not getting the whole point of Android?
Now this I like. I've been looking for a box that can take the place of my ageing Phillips dual tuner digital box and expand to allow playing of any other files we happen to have lying around! All I need to find out now is how easy it would be to extract what ever was recorded on to it from the TV for playing on a laptop later. The F-Connector thing is not an issue for me here in Finland either.
These things are fugly! Unless you are doing it properly with a five figure plus amp and 7.1 (or more) speaker setup and a solid amount of position tweaking then the only other option is to stump up for a pair of Genelec speakers, the 8050A should be the place to start. They will look nice enough for any female that needs to give consent for their addition to the TV room. And when turned up they will blow any of these disgusting bits of kit into the weeds.
Anything on that list other than number 10 turn up in any of my presents this year, or any year, and the local charity shops would be having a quick visit from me just as soon as they are open again.
No, I never return, or sell on, unwanted Christmas presents.
No idea what that says about me though.
Almost but not quite...
What we are looking for in a new TV. We too would love to see them simplify the recording to USB feature and make it so that we can take it off the stick and watch it on a normal PC. Add this, sell it in Finland and they have at least two sales!
1) I thought that the whole point of an Android powered phone was that it was not locked down in any way except maybe being SIM locked if brought under contract from a MNO. The easy way around this being to buy the thing SIM free. Now it seems as if I was very wide of the mark on this. Why I was so confused over this I will never know...
2) If this proves to be a case of needing to replace a PROM chip to get it to work could this see HTC duplicating the legal moves that Sony have made recently with regards to people modding their PS3's?
3) Could this really be the answer to Apple's prayer's?
4) Surely the likes of HTC must see the market for totally unlocked hardware right? What would stop them just having an online site where interested people could just buy the hardware without any operating system at all installed on it?
Title says it all really.
When you are shifting millions of phones in less than a month since release, despite some reports saying that it is not fit for purpose, then I can understand that Apple would not want to keep piling the features on to attract more customers. And given the rise of the USB 3G modem a lot of people may question why tethering would seem to be so important.
But on the other hand, if this phone is really meant to be such a game changer then why on earth can't Apple just let people use it as they deem fit? We all know that you have been able to do this for years on plenty of other phones, mostly via a cable, and that in the last couple of years turning some phones into Wireless hot spots has been really easy as well, so I really don't understand what on earth the problem is with this on the iPhone and AT&T.
I can't understand why you chose to highlight this application when Touchnote is so much better. No, the initial application is not free, but just buy a couple of packs before you go on holiday and you are sorted. I also like Touchnote's inclusion of a little Google Map image on the back of the card showing exactly where the picture was taken. And it's integration with my phones address book is fantastic.
Yes, of course there is still the issue of the cost of actually uploading the picture and the details while abroad, but we all know that.
Oh, hang on, iPhone, right, well, I guess there must be an iPhone application, given that I have been using it on my N85 for 18 months or so now.
In this day and age
How hard would it be for someone to actual make one of these that could do more than record one channel and watch another. How about being able to simultaneously record, say, six channels and watch a seventh that you then decide to pause?
Or shall I just get my coat?
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