* Posts by The Other Steve

1184 publicly visible posts • joined 7 Oct 2007

School crossing guards join CCTV panlollycon

The Other Steve
Flame

RE: Some of 'em are asking for it though

"She is positioned on a corner and stops the traffic as required, but despite it being a busy road on which a long queue can build up quickly, if she sees some poor little urchin down at the end of the road, she will happily stand in the middle of the road with her lolly held high until said little urchin arrives - much to the consternation of the six or seven drivers that could have been on their way in the intervening time."

Oh boo hoo hoo, sometimes you have to wait in your shiny car on your way to work at your important job for some children to cross the busy road, my heart fucking bleeds.

Either go a different way or get used to it and stop whining. If you find little things like lollipop ladies, traffic lights and other small delays are driving you to a murderous rage you need to put your licence in an envelope and return it to the DVLA with a note that says "Dear DVLA I am returning my licence as I am an emotional retard and as such pose a significant risk to myself, other road users, pedestrians and lollipop ladies".

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@AC

"I do not agree with them being treated badly, but it is a little anoying when you are going along at 25-30 Mph and they walk out and you have to slam your brakes on"

You will now explain to the class why you are exceeding the speed limit by at least five miles per hour, given that the max speed in a school patrolled is zone is 20 mph.

And why you aren't paying enough attention to what you're doing, and what's ahead of you that you have to "slam your brakes on" because you are somehow surprised by the sudden appearance of a lollipop lady in such a zone, typically marked by the placing of fuck off great yellow markings on the road and signage you'd have to be blind to miss.

Lack of situational awareness and inability to anticipate hazards are endemic on the UK's roads, seems to me like you're part of the problem. To put that in some context, there have been two fatal incidents outside my front door already this year where drivers paying insufficient attention to the road have been killed by the application of a large fire engine to the head while failing to heed emergency service sirens. Now in fairness, the fire engines jumped the lights, but had the drivers involved been paying the proper amount of attention to what was going on around them, they'd be alive now instead of having to be collected in watertight containers.

So the slogan for today is : "Stop driving like a twat, the life you save may be your own."

Shell pulls out of Thames Estuary mega-windfarm

The Other Steve
Coat

@dervheid

Riiiight. That's it, it's all a massive conspiracy to make us use less energy and give less money to BigCorp, no wait, that's what _they_ want you to think! BigOil and co only oppose the global warming 'myth' to disguise their complicity in the conspiracy! Damn they're smart.

I'll get your coat, it's the one with the arms sewn shut and the leather straps that you can't put on by yourself. And I'll call the nurse, she'll give you your meds and you'll be fine. Just try to stay calm for me. Good lad, that's it.

How many staff has HMRC caught snooping on records?

The Other Steve
Unhappy

Arsewash

" MPs were told it was not possible to provide information on how many staff had that access, or how many had received training because such information "could be collated only at a disproportionate cost.". "

I don't know how many offices HMRC has, but lets see, one phone call to each HR bod at each location, HR bod looks at their invoices for training and counts them, HR bod phones whichever IT bod is responsible for maintaining the Active Directory server and gets them to email a breakdown of user roles. If that can't be done it's because the answer to the training question is "none whatsoever" and the 'access by user role' statement is a flat out lie.

I see they are still clinging to the "disproportionate cost" whinge, no doubt a remnant of the many FOIA requests they have turned down on this basis, but since when was that a valid response to a question by parliament ? Tossers.

Lords defy Government by proposing criminalisation of data rogues

The Other Steve

Once again...

... a largely undemocratic institution of hereditary peers and political appointees is actually doing a better job of representing the interests of UK citizens than the feckless wasters that we elected to do it.

And the idiots wonder why no one wants them to disband the Lords.

El Reg obtains snap of OGC logo reveal

The Other Steve
Joke

Fan bloody Tastic

I haven't laughed so much since Mary Whitehouse died.

Home Office defends 'dangerously misleading' Phorm thumbs-up

The Other Steve

Re: Re: User Agent

"However it would cause you problems as some websites (google included) alter there content based on user agent strings. You might well end up with the "mobile version"."

Very true. I currently have mine set to :

User-Agent : Kent Ertugrul of Phorm is a massive spunk bubble

At the suggestion of someone in these very comments, and I've seen quite a bit of odd behaviour. Standards, doncha just love em ?

The Other Steve
Pirate

RE : What is the stance of OFCOM? anyone heard?

Yes, it is this :

[begin quote]

Steve

Thank you for your email regarding Phorm and their targeted marketing product. Phorm did approach Ofcom to take us through their plans. We are grateful to them for briefing us, but we did not endorse their plans - this is something we don’t do generally. We did however tell them that they should include the Information Commissioner in their briefings as the ICO is the primary regulator under the Privacy Regulations.

Kind regards

Sara Meyer

Director Secretariat Services

Co-ordinator FOIA and DPA Compliance

[end quote]

So basically their stance was "We won't endorse it, and we think you need to talk to ICO about it."

Surprisingly enough, this is at some variance with the statements made by Phorm, and with those made in the Charles Stanley paper that we weren't supposed to see.

The Other Steve

@Dan White

"Never phoned a call centre and heard, "Calls are recorded for training purposes"

AFAIK that's different, as a) the call centre is the recipient, and b)they are authorised to record calls for quality purposes under RIPA (Can't recall the section number off the top of my head).

In fact, AIUI they don't even have to tell you. They certainly don't have to gain consent, and if they did, a recording telling you that they were going to do it would not be sufficient (in theory, although the way things are looking at the moment, who can be sure)

The Other Steve

That's that sorted then

"BT has refused The Register an interview regarding its actions over Phorm/Webwise. ®"

I was just thinking to myself this morning that the first time BT or Phorm came back with a simple "No comment", we would know that they had finally realised they were completely and utterly fucked.

I can't wait to what spin they do come up with in response to the excellent FIPR brief. After they've consulted with their legal people, no doubt.

Bad luck BT. You blinked.

Boffins ponder 100-year archive made of TOMES

The Other Steve
Alien

No, Don't do like the egyptians !

The Egyptians (of the ancient , pyramid building variety) mostly used papyrus (an early precursor to modern paper, and not all that different) and ink to do their record keeping, which is why we are reduced to scrabbling around the ruins of their civilisation trying to decode the things that they wrote on the walls, which is mostly stuff like "That King Tut had a massive plonker, and a shed load of camels to boot. Oh, and he won all the wars, don't let anyone tell you different, especially those lying Assyrians, I wouldn't trust them with _your_ sacred cat, know what I mean ?"*

All we know about your basic Ancient Egyptians (if I remember primary school history lessons correctly) is that they were fond of pyramids, beer, slaves, cats, deities with novelty eraser shaped heads, and pulling peoples brains out of their noses with great big hooks.

OTOH what conclusions will be drawn by an enlightened civilisation some thousand years hence looking back at the data archives of today ? "Wow, those ancients really, really liked porn. And really long, pointless, emotionally damaging arguments. And none of them could figure out how to switch on red eye reduction on their digital cameras. Bwahahah. Losers!"

*Obviously they were somewhat more erudite than I have been in this example, which is why there's just so damn much of it.

<--- Alien, you _know_ it was them that built the pyramids really.

Welsh student exposed to nude webcam operators

The Other Steve
Paris Hilton

Minimum wage ???

The only shocking thing about those particular job ads is the base rate of pay, although a 50% commission could work out nicely if you were popular, I have no idea how much the cam operators charge to view semi naked welsh rarebit, but I can't see it being cheap.

'We could wake up smarter' - Ballmer hints at Win XP reprieve

The Other Steve

Ha!

"“We'll be distributing the service pack slowly so that we can help Windows users have a good experience,”

More like "so that we can roll it back when we FUBAR the first thousand users"

I wouldn't park there, mate - Honda adds sat nav warnings

The Other Steve
Joke

Japanese pikey masterplan

Go and hang out in a nice sushi joint in the lowest crime area, wait for sararymen to park expensive motors outside and be lured in by naked chicks pretending to be sushi tables.

Steal their motors while they sit in blissful appreciation of personal safety and naked chicks.

"doh! dorobou neko!!"

The Other Steve
Joke

@AC

"... it's anywhere inside the M25 (and that's being charitable)."

Ken Livingstone, I unmask thee! That's a TFL ad slogan isn't it ?

Facebook Troll sends mob against Cluley

The Other Steve

Stupid is as stupid does

(whatever the hell that means).

I mean seriously, let me count the ways :

This "Cassel" bloke has a name, and presumably a facebook profile, so rather than spamming that, people take the time to hunt down a matching mugshot, associated with a very unlikely source of such commentary, and start on him instead, huh ?

And which genius comes up with a piece of logic like "Bloke condones violence! Violence bad! I know, send death threat to blokes wife! Good!". Clearly some retard having a day off from protesting for equal rights for guinea pigs and finding himself at a loose end, what with not having any grannies to exhume just now.

And as for tussling with squaddies, just how damned stupid can you get ? "Look, there's a trained killer! Get him! Oh noes! My teefsh!"

Still, perhaps there will be an upside, perhaps the riotous mob will learn the error of their ways and feel some shame, might stop them acting like such twats in the future. Unlikely, but we can always hope. And hey, for the first time ever I'm feeling some sympathy for Graham Cluley, that's new.

DARPA looking at 'Z-Wing' stratocruiser

The Other Steve
Paris Hilton

RE : Arctic at Winter Solstice?

Nah, not likely, they will all be deployed over territories closer to the equator where conditions are more favourable to pursuing the real strategic mission of a multi billion dollar stratospheric surveillance platform, which, as any fule kno, is to peek down ladies tops.

Oh, I'm sure they wrote "Bolstering the nations strategic intelligence gathering capabilities" or some similar word salad on the project brief, but they had their fingers crossed. And they were sniggering.

Also, am I the only one making "Star Wars" noises in my head ?

<-- finally, an excuse to use the Paris icon!

Nintendo Wii 'like a virus', games boss sniffs

The Other Steve
Coat

Market Segmentation

Wii :

We see a group of shiny, happy people in a nice room, perhaps they are a family, or a group of friends. They look as though they probably smell quite nice. They are all enjoying themselves immensely, laughing and joking. Communicating. They are having nice healthy social interactions with real physical people. We wish that we were like them. Hell, we _are_ like them! We have friends! You'll see, if we buy it, they will come!

Xbox/etc :

We do not see the gamer, he is not represented in the advert, he does not exist, his entire ego is projected into his avatar. It is possible that he is playing a sport or driving a vehicle, but more likely that he is, in fact, stalking some kind of homicidal prey through a post apocalyptic landscape of some description. We are quite glad that we do not see the gamer, we are instinctively uncomfortable with the idea of some lone, mildly psychotic, high disposable income male spending his spare hours sneaking around a virtual landscape and occasionally killing things with a high powered rifle or large stabbing weapon. We are concerned that he might smell faintly alarming, and slightly comforted by our strict gun control legislation.

Six months on from HMRC, data losses still rising, says ICO

The Other Steve
Unhappy

A paper tiger throwing rocks at the moon, and looking for a spine.

"The ICO is still investigating the losses, but in 16 cases has told organisations to change procedures."

Or else what ? The punishment for (say) a RIPA offence (if you can get anyone to care) is up to five years at Brenda's motel. The punishment for a massive DPA breach is that Richard Thomas comes round to your place and looks at you sort of sternly.

It has been the current Commissioner's frequent refrain that he would dearly like to be taken more seriously, fine, you want people to take you seriously, try a few prosecutions.

I mean I feel for him, really I do, stashed away from the action in some nasty Cheshire backwater*, shoehorned into a tiny office space between McDonalds and an office supplies shop (if memory serves)**. And OK, OK, only a couple of hundred staff for the entire UK, meaning that all of them must have massive case-loads (and very small desks)

But jeez-louise, if you let people walk all over the DPA with big muddy boots on and then do fuck all about it other than suggest that they might like to change their procedures, guess what ? That case load is just going to keep on growing.

He has it in his power to initiate prosecutions, and until he gets his finger out of his arse and starts dishing some out, government and industry will continue to smile charmingly at him, then give him the finger once his back is turned and get back to business as bloody usual.

Richard Thomas, you are an idiot, and some days it just seems like you haven't even read the legislation you are responsible for enforcing.

* Wilmslow, it's sort of like Royston Vasey, only with more expensive shops and less to laugh at.

** No one appears to know why this is so. Some have speculated it;s to do with a big pharma corp (Astra Zenneca) office just over the road, but who really knows ?

Data pimping catches ISP on the hop

The Other Steve

industry standard c*ntyness.

Wonderful argument. "Everyone else in our industry (both of them) use the same sharp (and probably illegal) business practices as we do. So it's OK"

Or even more simply "This is an industry packed with c*nts, we also, are a pack of c*nts. Get over it already."

That sounds horribly familiar, these are the very same PR tactics deployed by our very own hapless would-be data pimp Kent "stop shorting my stock!" SpunkWeasel.

It's almost eerie, isn't it ?

<-- There is no icon to express to what I'm feeling just now, YMMV

El Reg celebrates 10th birthday

The Other Steve
Dead Vulture

What they said.

And also, I thought you'd be older, some of you are younger than me for heavens sake*, so good work on keeping up the required levels of cynicism.

*Not so pretty though.

<-- That vulture's not dead, it's just having a rest after spewing up a bottle of Tia Maria.

BT's secret Phorm trials open door to corporate eavesdropping

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@AC wrt lol

"Government want to profile everyone so they'll ignore it

Law enforcment want to profile everyone so they'll ignore it"

Those two (at least) are specious. Neither the security or law enforcement services have any need for Phorm to help them with any kind of data surveillance.

I don't for one moment imagine that "the government" are in league with Phorm, it's just that they are a)busy, b)incompetent and c)pitching a huff because we're taking them to task over something that they don't understand. Oh, and they don't like us very much because of a widespread arrogance that delivers statements like :

"The sheeple are all to thick to understand what precedent even means let alone spot them."

The Other Steve
Unhappy

Me to :(

I have an extremely dismissive letter from Tony McNulty which more or less says "It's not my problem. It's the ISPs responsibility to make sure they don't breach RIPA"

I'm drafting a suitably worded reply, but it's taking a while, since I'm having difficulty framing a sentence without using the phrase "greasy shiteweasel".

As of today, sadly, the position seems to be that public bodies can breach RIPA, in which case they'll be investigated, but this will never come about since everything they do that's covered by RIPA will have been rubberstamped (see Reg passim), that individuals can breach RIPA, in which case inspector knacker will stuff them in chokey for five years, and that corporations can breach RIPA and no one will give a flying fuck.

Fortunately, I can't see this position lasting long, there's to much for the opposition parties and the tabloids to get their teeth into. I mean come one, NuLabour allows big corps to trample over "terrorism"* legislation is a big stick with which to beat an already embattled Prime Minister.

So, on with the fight. The failtrain is still en route, it's just delayed by red tape on the line.

*I know, it actually has very little to do with terrorism, but no one tell the Daily Mail that just yet, eh ?

Women love chocolate more than password security

The Other Steve
Happy

Two things occur to me

"Women love chocolate more than password security"

I know several women, some of them quite well, and my impression is that they love chocolate more than almost _anything_

"Little attempt is made to verify the authenticity of the passwords, beyond follow-up questions asking what category it falls under. So we don't know whether women responding to the survey filled in any old rubbish in return for a choccy treat or handed out their real passwords."

I know which I'd put my money on, because (although I do not have the privilege of being a woman myself) I know exactly what I would do. I would think "Hmm, here is a man who will give me free stuff, (chocolate even!), if I am prepared to utter some utterly unverifiable random word or phrase. Score!"

And I would go about my day, happy that the man had gone home pleased with his survey results (which were wrong, bwahahahah) and enjoying my new found chocolatey wealth.

So yes, I think what this survey probably measures is the number of people prepared to engage in some mild deception of a complete stranger in order to get some chocolate.

Further, I rather suspect that the people who didn't do so probably had some understandable issues about taking sweeties from clipboard wielding strangers. The figures probably reflect a rise in those holding such concerns, what with "the current climate" of worrying about [what ever it is this week].

High Court quashes decision to release secret ID card reports

The Other Steve
Dead Vulture

Oh really ?

"The Government had argued that it must be able to keep the reports on the progress of the system secret otherwise civil servants will not be honest in their assessment of the progress of the system"

Then sack them. In fact, better than that, drag the slimy little fuckweasels down to parliament square and horse whip them to within an inch of their sorry lives, then send them back to their posts to do the fucking job that British taxpayers pay them for. Only properly this time.

I mean seriously, what kind of argument is "We have to keep it secret, otherwise people will lie!" ? OK, so they do, then what ? Because we can now see the results, it will quickly become obvious that the tossgoblins in charge are lying sacks of shit, that's what. In which case, see para 2 above for obvious solution.

Imagine that the vulture in the icon is in fact a slimy, lying, fuckweasel in pinstripes, and you'll pretty much see where I'm coming from.

BT's 'illegal' 2007 Phorm trial profiled tens of thousands

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@Colin Weldon

Bear in mind I have no idea how current that list is, or if it's changed since 2007, and I suspect (anyone confirm ?) that the RAS you are connected to possibly changes from time to time. I used to get my connection through the Bletchley RAS, but now it's via Edinburgh, and yet I'm still on the same exchange.

I don't know at what point the change took place, because I only noticed when doing a traceroute a while back.

The only thing that I can think of that has actually changed is that I upgraded from 2MB to "up to" 10MB, I have no idea if this would have made a difference. If you were affected it's definitely worth a google of the various threads (" BT Phorm Kingston RAS" should do the trick) that cover this speculation in depth (well, at length, anyway) if you haven't already, obviously.

All that said, I wouldn't be in the least surprised if BT were simply lying. I mean hell, why start telling the truth at this late juncture ?

The Other Steve
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@The Other Steve

"lot's of people,"

Apols, seem to have broken out into a bad case of greengrocer's apostrophe there, yuck!

The Other Steve

@Exchange speculation

It seems that BT are using the word "exchange" here to mean "internet exchange", e.g. a RAS. (Remote Access Server). This is the place where PPPoA connections get together, party, and get turned back into the IP form that we all know and love.

Each RAS potentially serves millions of BT customers, as an indicator of just how many, there are only 11 RASs in the entire UK.

See here for more : http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/equip2.htm

The RAS involved in the 2007 trial seems likely to have been Kingston RAS given the geographic locations of the various people who know they were part of it. Here's a list of the actual exchanges that feed their PPPoA into Kingston RAS :

http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=announcements&Number=708635&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=

Leastaways, that's what I've heard. A quick google will turn up all the various threads across the intartubes that have discussed this in some depth.

The Other Steve

@Steve Renouf

"Who ever goes to their ISPs front page?"

Well, lot's of people, as it happens, but that's not the point.

It won't be on BT's 'web portal', it will simply be the first page that an 'invited user' sees even if they have google or some other search engine set as your bookmark.

Huge difference. This is much nastier.

The Other Steve
Pirate

It's worse than that, he's dead Jim

@Stu Reeves

"Which will go along the lines of.

Send email to BT Email address 90% proberbly don't use.

...

90% don't read email (or never reply to unknown senders) and therefore "Opt-in" by default....."

Nope, this is not how they plan to do it. Not at all. From the BT 'Webwise' (Phorm) FAQ :

"The trial invitation will be presented through a special web page that will appear the first time those customers start a web-browsing session after BT Webwise becomes available. At this point, those customers invited can choose to click YES, NO or Find More to get more information"

http://webwise.bt.com/webwise/help.html

So in fact they plan to offer the 'choice' (e.g of having your traffic illegally intercepted with or without paid ad support ) by hijacking your browser session (via a 307 Redirect, I would guess, given the technical detail we've seen so far), and presumably this is the only page you will see until you select one option or the other, a choice which will (still) be recorded and enforced by cookies, because poor widdle BT haven't been able to develop a non cookie opt out 'solution' yet.

I wouldn't care to guess what's on the "Find More" page, but I'll bet there _isn't_ an option to search Google for Phorm.

Informed consent, my hairy ass.

And isn't hijacking my browser a prima facie violation of CMA S1(1) ? Or even S3(2) ? Even if you _are_ my ISP.

The missing five-minute Linux manual for morons

The Other Steve
Joke

Whiney little maggots - redux

I realise that it's Monday, and you're probably insufficiently caffeinated , but honestly, get a fucking sense of humour between you.

Mind you, having said that :

@ Dave Driver

No! Not vi! vi is evil!* I'd rather eat warm dog turd than use vi.

*If for no other reason, because Stallman hated it so much that he took his revenge by inflicting Emacs on the world. That's a whole bucket load of evil to be responsible for right there.

And also :

@brian

I've been using linux for more than a decade, and I've recompiled thousands of things. If you've never recompiled a kernel, you just aren't trying hard enough

^--- CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT ICON ?

Local council uses snooping laws to spy on three-year-old

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@AC

"even if I tell your local copper you're up to no good he will still need to ask permission before he comes into your house, searches through the history file on your PC (uh oh - all those Register cookies) and otherwise takes your whole life apart."

Exactly. And now, under the terms of RIPA, Poole council had to do just that. Prior to RIPA, they could have done exactly the same without seeking any kind of authorisation, and outside of any kind of regulatory framework. Under RIPA they had to apply for a Directed Surveillance authorisation.

So RIPA actually makes it more difficult (if only marginally so).

This is the major misconception around this story, IMHO. No one "used RIPA powers" to "spy", they had to obtain authorisation for it, document it and do it properly (although they probably fouled up that last part) because if they didn't, they would have been guilty of a criminal offence under RIPA. Can we all see how that's different, regardless of how we feel about the actual behaviour ?

The Other Steve

Hairy, and difficult to digest

This is a hairy one, and no mistake.

I mean, I have to agree, it certainly sounds a little disproportionate, and it's certainly unsettling. (It was also pointless, as the surveillance in this case took place after the cut off date for residence in the catchment area).

Unfortunately, it is now the case that parents are prepared to cheat real bad. Just asking to see council tax bills, etc, is no longer sufficient.

Utility bills and the like aren't enough either, because they can't prove that the named recipient actually _resides_ at the property, which AFAIK is the criteria. As someone mentioned above, some parents have been known to buy or rent property within catchment areas with no intention of actually residing there just to get their kids into their first choice school.

So if an LEA suspect fraudulent (or dishonest, or whatever) behaviour, less intrusive options just aren't going to cut it. They can be, and indeed have been, gamed.

The only real way to confirm a persons residence, if you feel that you can't rely on such paperwork as they produce, is to go and have a shufty. Which is exactly what they did.

This makes me uncomfortable, but I honestly can't see what choice the LEA were left with, and blaming it on RIPA is fallacious. They could easily have hired a PI to do this pre RIPA, but they wouldn't have had to get permission for it. RIPA did _not_ grant the 'power' to mount directed surveillance. It _does_ seek to define and regulate such 'powers' within a particular legal framework. Hence the name.

Whether following them around for three weeks was really necessary, or cost effective, is definitely an argument worth having (in this case it's a short one, because it was done after the cut off date, and even if it had been shown to be the case that they lived somewhere else, it would have been largely irrelevant).

Of course, if the education system wasn't so FUBARd, parents wouldn't resort to extreme underhand means, and there would therefore be no need to mount surveillance on them to make sure they weren't gaming the catchment system.

So it seems to be the case that a massive inefficiency in a state sector leaves it with little choice but to put citizens under surveillance. That's a scary fucking place to be whichever way you look at it.

Brown ignores scientists and pushes pot reclassification

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Flame

@Daily Mail Reader

"it will be sold by criminals, who will endanger the lives of police officers and the general public in their efforts to avoid arrest."

Sorry, but that's utter bollocks. Your typical 4AM drug raid poses no danger to the general public, and very little danger to the police in most cases, as you'd well know if you'd ever seen one.

Real life != "The Bill", or whatever arsewash ITV drama you're basing that opinion on.

"So, it is highly appropriate, irrespective of the specific dangers of the drug itself, to have severe penalties for its users while it is illegal."

Oh really ? OK then how about, next time you're flashed by a speed camera, you do five years at Brenda's pleasure. It's illegal to exceed the posted limit, so it 's "highly appropriate .. to have severe penalties", regardless of weather you were doing a ton on an empty stretch of four lane at 2 in the morning or driving at 60 through a busy school crossing area at 3:45 on a Friday afternoon.

The Other Steve
Alien

Grrr!

Reminds me of the CFO of a company I worked for once, who used to canvas the expert staff from various departments, at substantial time cost in research and producing reports, and then just ignore everyone and go with the idea he first thought of, thereby causing much ill will, and ultimately FUBARing said company,

This is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to play the "Drugs are bad, m'kay ?" card in order to appease the Daily Wail reading swing voters who are quite fancying Cameron at the moment.

Apart from anything else, a five year sentence for possession of a widely used recreational substance (that actual proper experts, using actual proper evidence and actual proper research have adjudged to be less harmful than booze) is hardly likely to do anything nice to the already over crowded penal (fnar!) system.

Guess they'll have to release some more terrorists in order to make room for all the potheads.

As for the whole "Oh noes! there is a skunk now!" panic, if pot was decriminalised and properly produced so that people could get hold of some decent resin that doesn't taste like camel shit, that problem would most likely solve itself. And I don't know where ACPO are getting their cues from (although I can guess) but I've seen the rozzers ignore possession of pot hundreds of times, well before the reclassification, largely on the grounds that they really do have better things to be doing with their time.

But hey, let's not let some inconvenient obstacle like facts derail the Moral Panic.

Alien, cause everyone knows that ET smokes pot, that's why they do all those crop circles, god damn exosolar hippies!

BT: 'We did not let anyone down over Phorm... it was not illegal'

The Other Steve
Unhappy

Reassure them how ?

"We do not know whether they were participating in the trial or not... it should reassure them."

How ? I mean seriously, how is that meant to be reassuring ? BT enrolled 18,000 customers in their covert trial and didn't know which ones. How did they chose them ? Why didn't they keep any records ? If they don't know who they were, how did they count them ?

This is either serious incompetence, or BT knew they were in the wrong and sought to cover their tracks even at this early stage.

It's getting harder and harder to believe the former.

Jules Verne creeps up on ISS

The Other Steve

@@The pedant's pedant('s pedant ?)

"/awaits minor punctuation mistake correction by previously unknown new species of super-pedant."

Wouldn't that be a hyper-pedant, since the reply you are being pedantic about is already one being pedantic about someone else pedantry ?

Is this meta-pedantry ? My latin-prefix-fu is weak today.

Adobe to remove Photoshop pic pimping clause

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Coat

Whiney maggots strike again

Freetards, eh ? No sense of humour. I use and develop on a mixture of MS and Linux flavours, and have a pretty balanced of view of them both, like the majority of people.

Part of me wishes I could believe that those of you who have publicly spat out your dummies above will never again return to litter the glorious comments of El Reg with your megabytes of hilarious drooling zealotry, because it shortens the life of my scroll wheel.

Of course another part of me doesn't want to, because baiting you is like an ethical bloodsport, and provides many hours of amusement.

But I don't believe it. You won't be able to resist. It's like squirrels with nuts, or perhaps more apposite, penguins with whatever it is that penguins eat, fish probably, or given the linux jihad's propensity for bitter infighting, other penguins.

Yes, that's mine, the one with the asbestos lining and the copy of "How to write software and actually get paid" in the pocket, and the "Honey, get _over_ yourself" logo on the back.

Reality crashes Google hippie code fest

The Other Steve

@Greg

You sound like a very diligent student, and I salute you, but come on, any of us who have been to uni know that you are the exception rather than the rule.

Hell, I personally spent a solid majority of my time at uni drinking, shagging, and engaging in experimentation with various recreational substances. Fortunately for the world at large, I spent my downtime writing code, and learned to do so to a pretty high standard.

That's not as inspiring, but is far more typical of the university experience in the majority of cases.

There's a grain of truth to most stereotypes.

MPs pile pressure on ISPs over Phorm

The Other Steve

RE: oh really...

"and where were these "saviours of privacy and human rights" when the actual fight was raging?"

The fight is _still_ raging. This is far from over.

"Yes, too busy hoping to sneak the system through so they could benefit from it."

PPOSTFU

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In grudging defence of the pols

While it doesn't _look_ like a storm, there are plenty of other MPs not mentioned here doing similar things. Mine wrote a letter to Tony McNulty at the home office, asking him to explain what the HO thinks it doing issuing legal advice, particularly advice that seems to be in conflict with everyone else's interpretation of RIPA, and raising various other issues.

And since there's now an early day motion, other MPs who have correspondence in their in trays will probably get involved as well. I know lots of folk have written to their MPs, MEPs and various Lords.

It could well be that we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg (or the first snowball of the avalanche, if you like). And in any case, just the spectre of having this all dragged through the house (and therefore back into the media again) might be enough for the ISPs to realise, finally, that they've crossed a line.

The fact that they've bothered to take notice _at all_ while they're in the middle of so many other wrangles indicates that they are taking it seriously. This should scare the pants of Kent Spunkbubble and his crew of PR pixies, who keep trying to convince us that only a fringe of paranoid and unreasonable techies give a toss.

The opt-in thing in the motion is a bit of a bummer, but these aren't technical people, and besides, even if it does somehow amazingly turn out to be legal after all, and they go ahead, but only with an 'opt-in', it will be worth zero to them, because no one will want it. Without mass opt-in, Phorm is worthless. Access to millions of users is tied into their core value proposition as a business (lets face it, the profiling tech isn't actually very impressive in itself). The early day motion doesn't go as far as we'd like, for sure, but if it passes, it's still a coffin nail.

Blimey, never thought I'd write anything in defence of politicians ! Think I need to go for a lie down now.

El Reg reconstructs Heathrow T5 chaos

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I for one welcome our new playmobil overlords

Class. Pure class. I should like to add my voice to the calls for further playmobil/lego based re-enactment of current events.

Bravo, encore, and all that :)

Comment judiciously, refactor if needed, avoid the 'f' word

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I _like_ swearies in comments, me

And as always, I shall roll out my own cut'n'paste comment about coding standards and guidelines, thusly :

Coding standards and style guidelines and suchlike should be discussed, designed, and agreed upon by individual coding teams, not globally set by some one pontificating on the web.

Different mixtures of ability, language, culture and toolsets lend themselves to different processes. What's best is what's best for _you_ not what's best for someone else.

To be honest, I'm getting a little tired of of being told how I should I run my development process by other people with some notional 'guru' status, (or even worse, occasionally by one of their disciples with little or no practical experience but a very fundamentalist attitude).

I might not be Kent Beck, but I've quite enough skill and experience to sort it out for myself, thanks. I'm sure I'm not the only experienced coder to feel this way either.

Apple forbids Windows users from installing Safari for Windows

The Other Steve

Software comes with a what now ?

There's licences for software ? Who knew ? You learn something every day.

Ticked-off former Motorola 'insider' gives his two cents

The Other Steve

RE: RE: Don't get me going

"Long term business plans have gone out of the window to please the shareholders who are only interested in this years profits."

<python>

A whole year ? You were _lucky_, in my day we only concentrated on the quarterly results, _and_ we billed out in 15 minute increments.

</python>

"Long gone are the days when management realised that it was the staff that made the company profitable and looked after them ..."

And yet those same companies put so much time and effort (well, OK, paper) into getting Investor In People certified.

I'd laugh, if it wasn't so depressing.

The Guardian ditches Phorm

The Other Steve

Re: Re: Plusnet is surprisingly Phorm free (ish)

"See point 5."

Partial quote below :

"But ISPs will need to be on secure legal ground. If you collect this data, consult your lawyer, check that your AUP allows you to collect it, and make sure that local, national, and (if applicable) other nations' laws are not violated. "

Guess no one at BT got round to reading that then!

The Other Steve

@tech idiot

"We need legislation expressly proscribing intercept by the ISP or anyone else"

We have some already, it's called the Regulation Of Investigatory Powers Act.

"The fact that Phorm, BT, The Guardian etc. thinks that this could fly shows that the law is shaky."

In fairness to potential OIX customers, I doubt they even considered the legislative aspects, nor should they really have had to, because it _should have been_ almost inconceivable that a company with the top three ISPs in the UK as partners would be selling anything even remotely dodgy. OIX will have been sold to their marketing people as an ad platform, and those people neither know nor care about the technical implementation of the platform.

As for BT, well, I'm sure they'll hide behind the Home Office note issued by Simon "mass data mining is OK by me" Watkin, and say that the HO said they could do it, and that would be all nice and legal because of his rather novel interpretation of RIPA, but the law isn't, in fact, all that shaky AFAICT, and as the incumbent telco BT should have been well aware of this. Certainly they ought not to have started intercepting packets in summer 2007, well before the 'it's OK with consent and opt in' advice was issued, since they had neither, and since before Mr Watkin chimed in to muddy the waters, it was plainly obvious to all that to do so for the purposes of targeted advertising would be illegal under _any_ circumstances. And not just "oh, theres another fine from ICO, pay up and be about your business" illegal, but "oh shit, we're going to prison" ilegal.

As someone already mentioned, the fact that BT (or any of the other ISPs involved) managed to get so far down the line without someone being in a position to say "Hold on a minute guys, this might not look so good to our customers", or "hang on a mo, there night be some issues with RIPA and the DPA here that I think we should discuss", or that people did but were ignored, is barely credible.

And yet that appears to be exactly what's happened. I'm still having difficulty believing that people running such large companies can truly be _that_ stupid, despite having plenty of first hand experience of corporate venality and stupidity, which makes me wonder if they've something up their sleeves yet.

Bastards.

The Other Steve

@AC

"I do wish people would focus more on the ISPs than Phorm though, they are the ones abusing our data"

Totally agree. I expect scummy behaviour from an outfit with Phorm's track record. What I _didn't_ expect was for my ISP to overlook same and crawl into bed with them.

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RE : Great news

"Kill them in the US,"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/business/media/20adco.html

Some US legislators are already trying to make sure that services such as Phorm's require an explicit opt-in.

Explicit opt in kills their value proposition stone dead, since almost no one would bother, and for Phorm's network based spyware to generate profit for the ISPs they need a large chunk of the user base to be participating.

Pork and politics energise the biofuel delusion

The Other Steve

But it's 'organic'!

Mind you, so is cholera.