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Not really. While security groups and profiles have provided a bit of a problem, the two main problems have been legacy hardware and legacy software, at least in my experience.
I have had too many instances of W7 machines being installed only to find that the unusual ticket machines they use require a kernel mode driver which W7 doesn't do, or I have to start flicking through the compatibility fixes because some programmer in the dim and distant past didn't bother to consider problems arising from users not running in admin accounts.
Taking that into consideration as well as the fact that not every organisation wants to go out and re-equip their PC install base every time Microsoft gets a bug up their rectum and releases yet another operating system, especially if what they have does the job that they want it to do, and this is what you get.
In some ways, the fact that it has been so long since WXP came out could work in W7's favour since many of the machines that have already been changed were falling to bits anyway, but some WXP machines will still be in pretty good nick at this point, especially given the reluctance of companies to go to Vista, "downgrading" these boxes instead.
Re: WTF ?
Chances are, however, that they wouldn't use the words "Pot" or "Kettle" but something silly like "iWater" and deliver it in a glossy white finish.
Re: iDid iThey iEven
Not sure if you could call it desperation or incompetance. Either way, they prove yet again that they have a real problem listening until their intended public bites them in the situpon. Not really the best way to do business, really.
Merkan corporates seem to be making a habit of this lately... <cough>google+</cough>
Re: Not entirely retarded.
Actually, the idea that WinERT could be immune to infestation because of its ARM use isn't new. RISC OS, for many years, was touted by some that it was also immune.
To a certain extent, it was. Not because of the processor, but because the OS was hard coded into ROM chips. But then this didn't stop virus code being inserted into application files and other volatile system bits that were stored outside the ROM. This would have potentially got worse as more of the OS was stored in disc based modules loaded into memory on startup or first use except for the second reason. Obscurity. Nobody could be bothered to write viruses for a system that was becoming less used.
Given enough time and effort, WinERT could be hacked. Being ARM based is no protection. I suspect that the biggest protection could be the same as with RISC OS - obscurity.
In other words, and paraphrasing Piccolo from DBZ; "The balls are WinERT".
Delicious and nutritious. Tastes just like chicken.
Re: XP 2.0?
Not really. Having been part of a migration from XP to W7, I can tell you that there are plenty of pitfalls to migrating directly between the two.
1. Drivers. Let's face it, not every device you may have used under WXP will have drivers on W7 and the existing WXP drivers, while some might actually work, quite a lot don't. You end up with the headache of how to work around this or, in extreme situations, replace.
2. Bad programming. To be honest, this is not directly a Windows fault but it goes back to the bad old days where a programmer expects all users to be running as a default administrator straight out of the box and does not plan services properly. This causes all sorts of problems with file access, database access and in some extremes profile access.
3. Functionality changes. Not every single WXP option or control has its analogue in W7 and, when they do, it isn't quite what you expect. One example was the "root certificates" which, on WXP, was updated regularly as a Windows Update patch but, on W7 and Vista, is supposed to be updated on the fly as it is needed which does not account for possible security issues. This leads to plenty of certificate errors on otherwise legitimate sites.
That's before we get to the "where did x function or y control go" which is a problem with every update of Windows since the very beginning.
Yes, WXP to W7 is a good way to go on the whole, but it's not a painless procedure and it certainly couldn't be called WXP V2.0, though given W8 and all that has occurred, I can still see W7 taking hold of the market for a similar amount of time, despite Microsoft's bullying tactics when it comes to selling systems.
Re: I wonder how much Nintendo would pay for Xbox
If you think the Wii U is a flop, have you seen the Wii Mini yet?
I agree with the idea of convergeance between the XBone and the PC but given that the PS4 is also mostly a custom PC rig, I'm thinking that the next generation is probably the going to be the last unless somebody, whoever it is, comes up with something amazing. Somehow I can't see Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo doing it right now.
But you never really know....
Re: Where's the roadmap?
It's a bit like the whole Google+ on YouTube business or the impeding Windows XP support end. They have taken an unpopular step and dumbed down the interface because the people behind it just don't have the smarts to do a proper job, then the marketing types dress it all up as "marvellous", "exciting" and so forth so that you are made to feel out of it if you resist. Then you kill the alternative functionality or, if you can't do that, you scare the users with whatever horror stories you can think up.
One consideration that was often made when I was still programming was that the programmer was often the worst person to make design decisions because they often frigged about with the application, adding bits that they thought were a good idea, until you get something that is almost completely unusable. That's what I see in the ribbon and in Metro.
A good bit of programming does what the user wants it to, mostly because they know what they want to do, and at least partly because a good programmer listens to what the user wants to do before they even start designing the application, let alone coding.
Re: Why not...
"Exactly how the iPhone, iPad and the UX in IOS and OS X were designed. Except that it was only Steve's opinion that mattered. One guy. That was all. If he liked it, it was forced on everyone else. If he didn't like it, you reworked it until he did or you were canned."
Quite so, but then the original statement wasn't a judgement of Apple's ethics.
Generally speaking (and lest ye forget, generalisms always have exceptions), pragmatism and American Corporates don't usually mix.
Re: Like some lasses I've known....
Sounds just like Me-tan (Windows ME's unofficial OS-tan mascot, reputedly the one that started it all!)
Re: Oh, dear...
Actually, the history of the OS-tan is long. There are -tans for systems as old as MS-DOS 3, and the whole thing isn't tied only to Microsoft's output, although their first trip into this sort of thing was Nanami Madobe, the mascot of Windows 7.
You can't blame us this time!
Re: "...laws are for the little people..."
Quite right. From what I see of it, the little people in government in the US have sold themselves out big time and the US is suffering the result as the big cats rake it all in and determine the way the law will go. The only difference I see here between the US and the UK is that the US end of it has had a lot more press so far and more has been found out.
It's only a matter of time...
Re: Ditch the aluminium
Computer? Hello, computer!
Re: This is disturbing
"Since English is in general of French or German origin..."
Actually, that's not quite true, though all three languages do have common roots in languages such as Latin and so forth. It's all a matter of who was the biggest b*****d historically in whichever part of the world we are talking of.
Yes, America included!
Re: This is disturbing
"Note for visiting Americans: You must not use the word 'pardon' when in England. To do so implies that the person you are speaking to is a serious criminal who has been released from prison on a technicality. It is regarded as very offensive and can cause a violent reaction in most social settings"
Except if you burp first...
If Microsoft are saying this now, as XP SP3 is still supposed to be supported, what does that say about the quality of Microsoft's support? If this was after the cut off, I might understand it, but saying this now indicates that Microsoft aren't doing their job by a system that is supposed to still be supported, and implies that they are either deliberately running the system down or are totally incompetant, both reasons leading to severe doubts about the future of more recent systems.
If, however, they are merely scraping figures off the ground in Usenet fashion to frighten people to move, then there is only one word to describe them. Despicable.
Why is it that I suddenly imagined Wupert doing toast as shown many years ago during his tenure in the street of shame... er... Wapping... as portrayed in Spitting Image?
This corporate toad has little room to criticise others, especially not other corporate toads.
Re: @ Pete 2 - Reversing Moore's Law
To an extent, I agree with this except that you can categorise change two ways. Needful or useful change may annoy some users just as with Windows 95 or similar. These changes are often adopted because what it replaces has some sort of problem that is overcome by the successor. UIs, for example, are only the solution as long as the task at hand and the machinery in use suit the purpose.
Then you get change that is either badly conceived, applied or is simply unnecessary. That's where the eye candy often emerges, and Unity, GNOME and KDE alike have been accused of this and, IMHO, are all equally guilty of introducing elements that nobody wanted or needed. The problem is that when such changes occur, the useful changes often get struck down as well.
Have been trying 12.3 on a Virtualbox for a while now and it does seem pretty good, though the most recent metal I have goes with 12.2. To be honest, with one exception, there's not a lot of difference IMHO. It's the exception that bugs me, especially as I prefer KDE 3, which is the continued move to kill HAL. I expect the move will continue, yet I see no improvement in HAL's replacement in 12.3 any more than I have in successive issues since 11.4, my last real favourite.
I'm hoping for a lot from 13.1 as I suspect that it will become my next big upgrade project for at least two servers and a few desktops. This is all encouraging but I'll hold my enthusiasm overall for the final release. I'm pizza'd out as it is!
No doubt it would be incentive for some, but I suspect that Ballmer had his allies. Of course, how effective this ploy is would depend on how faithful was his following.
Post a comment?
Are you mad? I wouldn't dare post a comment here in case the NSA had a backdoor...
Re: I wioder if this will tip the balance towards TUX?
Generally, people buy PCs equipped with MS systems. They do it out of habit, or out of ignorance, or out of fear because of the FUD posted about Linux, or simply because companies supplying them don't supply Linux, ANY Linux, because of habit, ignorance or fear.
Until Linux can break this vicious cycle, MS will continue to screw around with licensing and the users will willingly pay through the nose under the impression that they have to. Especially where those posting the FUD insist on using brand names to frighten people into thinking that MS is the only hope.
Re: This may beg the question...
...or they need to get some more turd polish in.
Re: winds of change
Quite so. American politicians, whichever party you refer to, wouldn't know left of centre politics if it bit them in the butt.
Re: The Brand Name (vocalisation)
"Cut the cheese"? I've been using one of Huawei's earlier offerings, the Ascend G330, for a while now and though I can't really say that it's fantastic, neither would I ever say that it has ever farted! I hope that this isn't going to be a new Android feature...
To be honest, though, I get nervous of any phone that stops you from replacing certain vital components such as the battery. That said, it looks promising, though I prefer a phone that sits well in your hand, so the slimness is only going to be any good if it allows for this.
Re: False statement countered facts....
True. Indeed, I've seen it. It's a rather bland list of afterthoughts put there, no doubt, so that apologists can make such arguments as this. The list, however, is hardly a replacement for what you could do with the original start menu, even the one that shipped on Windows 95!
Here we go again
Been there, done that. Spent last weekend running Windows 8.1 on a VirtualBox, not really impressed. Seen similar menus, start and otherwise, like this. Not really impressed.
The point is that people didn't just want the button back, nor did they just want the menu back. They wanted the whole thing, the button, the menu and the functionality. They didn't want menus that blocked out the entire screen. They didn't want the broken continuity of the "Windows" key that they have seldom ever used in the past, usually because the alternatives often made more sense.
I never use Bing as the times that I have accidentally used it proved it to be total crap. I doubt that Pokki will be different, but it is no different to the importunity of being nagged to install the Ask toolbar when installing Java, or the insistance by Microsoft that Bing is your default search engine out of the box. Advertising whores about and we do nothing about it.
But this has all been said before. Do we need to say it again?
Answer: YES. Because the idiots at Microsoft will never get it until we hammer the point home.
Yeah, but that's a feature.
Google turned it on again? I thought Genesis did that!
"The Reg contacted the folks in Mountain View to see if they can account for the outage, but a spokesperson only directed us to the aforementioned dashboard. We'll fill you in with any further information as it emerges."
Don't hold your breath, though.
Shouldn't that be ca-click... BOOOMF?
Re: Blocking OO
As the AOL-inflicted once said; "Mee too!"
My two main machines are near enough identical apart from the operating systems. Apparently at least one distro has been putting a lot of effort into addressing the UEFI secure boot problem, to the benefit of most UEFI afflicted Linux users out there.
Not that we are likely to like Microsoft any better for putting us in that position in the first place, of course!
Re: Do MS "get it"?
I agree that Microsoft are targeting the wrong market. I also agree that Windows RT is wrong. The actual model they are trying to adopt is one of the reasons why even Apple are losing out in a number of markets to Android - the system lockdown.
It doesn't have to be that way. Consider that we Brits were behind the ARM and we Brits had an OS that was just as open as Windows - these days even more so.
The overall problem as I see it is the same one that has been responsible for the death of a number of other ideas, companies and so forth. In effect, the Surface is no longer a computer that you buy then run anything that you ant to. It's a piece of licenced kit which you no longer really own as it requires increasing amounts of interfacing with a company that attempts to control what you do and where. Microsoft aren't alone in this; just look at Google or Apple. When people realise this, they back away as it smacks too much of corporate big brother. It isn't just the machine, it's the whole ethos; cloud computing, internet connection reliance and so on.
To be honest, I think that Microsoft do get it. But then I'm a cynic.
Re: Quel surprise
Well, let's put it another way.
I risk my money buying stocks from a particular company to support a new product. I won't put all my money in, and I'll try to make contingency plans for the eventuality that the money is going to be lost. This does not include sueing the company since in any situation like this, I can't be sure if legal action would give any return and would cost me money into the bargain.
I would then consider how I monitor the situation regarding these stocks. This would certainly include the company presented information but not to the exclusion of other metrics. I should be able to determine, even if not to the very machine, certainly a rough idea of the numbers being exchanged, and determine any error in representation. I can then act accordingly.
If I do all of the above, then there are all sorts of things I can do before it all goes wrong and only one person can be held responsible if I don't. If I don't do all of the above, then there's only one person I can blame if it all goes wrong.
I'm not a fan of Microsoft by any means, but I can't blame them for risking an attempt to start a market with Windows RT and I can certainly not accept that anyone should be sueing them for it!
The only problem is that successive governments in the UK of whatever political stripe have pretty much tried to do the same thing. They want complete control of the Internet and, as they gradually wise up, the restrictions they apply get more draconian. Vote for whoever you want, it will make no difference.
The real reason is that the underlying layer to that which we call government doesn't change as the government itself does, and the bad advice from such as these and the corporate lackeys that they listen to is what makes it so bad. The only advantage at present is that the corporates don't command as much of the control of the UK structure that they do in the US where the financial basis of the country is pretty much in the hands of a tiny fraction of the population. That, however, is changing.
The unfortunate thing about this is that it will get far worse first before it gets better, and until the respective governments grow some spine and stand up to these shadow puppeteers, getting better isn't an option.
Re: No need to predict...
Big mountains and a...
Somebody has been watching the Kentucky Fried Movie, methinks!
We are building an army of extraordinary magnitude. You have our gratitude.
Or was it Take him to Detroit?
The recent furore over the XBox One comes to mind once again.
Voice control? It's just another gimmick used to obtain sales from those addicted to such things. Either the gimmick will catch on and these feeble minded idiots will move on or it will die a death. I know which one I'm favouring.
Look at my horse! My horse is amazing! Give it a lick...
I findus this comment distasteful!
"So, the man's a lawyer, therefore he's a natural wanker..."
There's a difference?
Having never seen or heard of an unnatural wanker, I wouldn't like to say!
I'm sueing you! (Re: I'm Suing the Reg !)
...for making me a replytard!
Re: The real problem
But here's where shows like Judge Judy, The People's Court and so on could come into play. If the judge in this case threatened the plaintiff with national televised coverage, I wonder how long it would be before the case was dropped?
Just a thunk...
Re: You're holding it wrong.
What, the Apple?
Ever heard of Wonko the Sane? Douglas Adams must have seen this coming!
Er... maybe I should rephrase that! *^^*
Re: Did I create an account just to call this guy a bellend of the highest order?
Welcome to the herd! ;)
Re: Ah, so they finally noticed...
As much as I would, and could, slag off the bankers, this was a group that was, at one time, controlled by the Government. The move to a more hands-off approach by the Government didn't help matters on more than one level.
Having said that, yes, the bankers and financiers can't be absolved of their portion of the blame. I've mentioned the asset stripping of Acorn in the past, and this is hardly the only example of beancounters doing what beancounters do.
Ah, so they finally noticed...
Nothing new here. Consider that so many of the innovations we hold dear that have been highly successful in the market, are partially or wholly owned by companies outside the UK. In more than one case this has been thanks to our wonderful Government who have failed to support these businesses over the decades.
And I'm not being partizan here - every government since the 1970s has had a hand in this.
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