Re: No probs with Windows 10
Strictly speaking, if W7HE ran with no probs on 2GB on that system, W10 should be fine too. I'd expect that drivers are likely to be your biggest worry - they usually are on any new release.
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Strictly speaking, if W7HE ran with no probs on 2GB on that system, W10 should be fine too. I'd expect that drivers are likely to be your biggest worry - they usually are on any new release.
We'll stop when something really positive happens wrt W10. This is a non-story overall, something I'd expect of ZDNet rather than El Reg.
This donkey isn't dead. It's just resting.
Try starting with the GWX Control Panel, available at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ (this can do all of what you see below and will monitor for attempts to reverse any of this)
If you want to get your hands dirty, however (and bear in mind that this is advice only, I cannot be responsible for any loss of data or system problems if you do this)...
You can also try killing the GWX process then uninstall KB3035583, then make sure that the Windows Update system is set to notify only rather than automatic download. Once that is done, there are a couple of registry keys that can be used to control the return of the nag (though I'm scepticle as to how long Microsoft will honour these).
The actual settings, if you are willing to use regedit (please remember that you do this at your own risk and hopefully would have the sense to do a registry backup first), are
If the subkey doesn't exist, simply create it then set as shown. I believe that this works for W7 and W8.x.
Sorry, but you really have to take into account that Microsoft have literally rubbed a lot of regulars here up the wrong way.
That and the fact that a large proportion of netbooks that still remain in service cannot take advantage of the W10 "free" upgrade package, either because they are running WXP or because they are running Linux.
Don't get me wrong - I've often tried getting older hardware to run newer systems. Probably the silliest attempt was testing W7 and Windows 2008 Server betas on an old PIII laptop... and yes, they worked! The thing is, however, that many of us that have posted about our netbooks running Linux have no real intention of loading in a replacement OS like this, whatever the outcome of such a trial is.
And since the netbook is dying out anyway, is there really a point? That PIII I mentioned was never used in that form for anything serious - it was just a curiosity. As soon as it was all over, it was scrapped. Bringing an old system back to life is a worthy cause and I've done it on so many occasions but I doubt that I would do it with W10 in its current state (let me clarify - "excellent" is not a phrase I'd couple with W10 right now), not because I couldn't, but because of all the reasons that have been pounded out here before on so many threads.
As I recall, the account was mandatory on Windows 8/8.1 betas. Once it was released, you could set it up to have a local account rather than tie it to a Microsoft Live account but they tended to try to make the option for a local account somewhat less obvious.
It's a similar state of affairs to Windows 10 in that respect.
My Aspire One still has openSUSE running on it, though I don't often use it these days. Poor thing is getting a little tired.
I take it that the downvote was probably from one of my former bosses...
You are assuming that you know what is in the secret parts of these people's job descriptions.
And there you strike at the heart of a problem I have lived through on more than one occasion. Such people will wander the work landscape, chopping heads from companies and public sector organisations alike, only to take their ill-gotten booty and move on to the next location to do the bidding of those that don't have the guts to do their own dirty work.
In some respects I feel a degree of pity for these folk that have to do this sort of work. Otherwise I have no love for such characters in the workplace. All they do is put people out of work and destroy the morale of those left behind, both at the time because they fear for their own jobs and afterwards when they have to tidy up the mess.
The decline of 'The Suit'.
Can't come soon enough for me!
Mine loves it though. My Little Pony, Disney Princess and Lego Friends all over the house.
Funny you mention that. Looking at Casey (that's the one on the left?) immediately brought Twilight Sparkle to mind...
Mind you, the question of why Sony got shot of the division could have a key influence on why they would have put W10 in there.
We can but wait and see...
It's the revenge of Teddy Ruxspin, I tells ya!
Router error sounds a bit like a generic "IT" problem for a network organisation.
I wondered if someone might say that.
Even if the "router" in question was faulty, why did it take so long to resolve? No failover? Configuration balls up? No. Either this was something a lot bigger than the sum of one router (or indeed smaller so that they couldn't see what it was) or they are covering their arses.
Given the money and reputation (if any) that this has likely cost BT, I'd expect at least one head to roll.
Sod it! Cocked up the edit!
Should have read:
"BTW, do you think now is a good time to register Microsoft Widnows 3.1?
Why? I never bothered..."
Now what possible reason could there be for NOT providing software support for a flatbed scanner... for goodness sake it's TWAIN isn't it?
He did mention that it was a HP scanner, didn't he?
He doesn't have to be an MS representative to have had a good experience upgrading to Windows 10
True, and not all users are Microsoft fanbois or shills either. Not all systems fall flat on their arses when upgraded either, though some users never notice the faults that can sometimes be inherent in a system that is upgraded rather than clean installed, probably because they don't necessarily know what to look for.
Where you have to ask questions, however, is when somebody talks up a product and tries to justify this by his words alone and gives no real sources. I've been using MS-DOS since V1 and have used most of the Windows versions at some point or other as well as Unix, Linux and a few other OSs that you may or may not have heard of, and I will often refer to my experience here and elsewhere but I will normally expect readers to take that with a pinch of salt where necessary, especially if I state something that isn't being verified by a source.
As for the scanner, it may be possible to find a third party driver out there to bridge the gap, but you may have a wait on your hands since driver writers are, as far as I can see, still catching up with the new release.
Did your mom use Windows 7? How long ago? Do you think she remembers how it works?
That is the thing, Windows 8 and 8.1 were UI mistakes. There was a learning curve.
W8.x was a marketing f*ck up, pure and simple. It isn't the end of the world though - I've stuck Classic Shell onto more than one W8.x machine. It takes a few minutes and the thanks are reward enough!
If MS thinks that extending the free upgrade will reduce its maintenance expenses, I think they'll extend it.
I think at least they're likely to extend it for Windows 8 and 8.1 where there is a good chance of reducing the user base to less than 1% of internet connected computers.
Meanwhile, how are they doing getting the remaining percentage of Windows XP users shifted?
You must construct additional pylons...
Rule One: Never upgrade over an existing OS. Generally it has been my habit in recent years to replace the system drive if I am changing OS anyway, whether it's Windows or Linux. The only exception was when I was testing W10 and the machine that I had it on gave me no choice as it was an OEM install.
Rule Two: If you do have to upgrade, do a backup first.
Rule Three: Nah Pooftas! (Well spotted, Bruce!)
Rule Four: Protect your data. If you suspect that it may be compromised, even by accident because you didn't set something up correctly, disconnect your data.
Rule Five: There is NO rule five.
Rule Six: Always prepare for the worst. My preference is Wadworth's 6X or Abbot.
I will tell you why MS is pushing so hard for Windows 10, since apparently it is not obvious.
Oh goody! I haven't had a chance to do one of these in ages!
Windows 7 is insecure, as is all complex software, and the insecurities are too widely known.
Windows, ANY Windows, is by nature insecure. As a colleague of mine said on a number of occasions; "There is no such thing as completed code, just code in a high state of debug". The thing is that taking this into account, Windows 10 is as likely to contain bugs as anything else, especially as it shares some of its code with prior versions, possibly going back to Vista or even XP.
As for how widely known these insecurities are, any hacker out there worth his salt will be well aware of most of the insecurities in any currently available or used OS and, if they aren't, they will be working towards finding them. It's how such folk as Sophos and Kaspersky and many others make their cash.
Removing the known insecurities from Windows 7 was difficult and expensive, and what was created in doing so was Windows 10.
The problem I have with this is that a number of the "insecurities" were quite obviously plugs put there to promote the new product rather than anything that did a useful job. The gadgets were a good example of that. It was a big selling point of Vista and 7 yet half way through the life cycle they gave up on them, citing "vulnerabilities" then shifting users onto the app store. Expensive? Probably, but they aren't hurting for cash - although having said that, they certainly felt the hurt with the failure of W8.
Maintaining 4 OSs, adapting them to new hardware, fixing the inevitable vulnerabilities as they are discovered, and so on is much more effort than maintaining one OS.
Quite so, but one has to ask "who made them do it"? They chose to release a new OS three or so years after W7 which flopped because it didn't do what the customer wanted. They are now releasing another based on the best or worst bits of the last version and the version before because they suddenly realised their mistake yet aren't willing to give up on what they did wrong. Yet after, as you say, spending all that money making W7 less vulnerable, they still insist on bringing out something that doesn't fit in and, to make things worse, forcing the damn thing down our throats.
The big complaint with Windows 8 and to an extent 8.1 was simply that the UI was different from Windows 7. That complaint has been fully addressed, so that customers can switch over and so that MS can save money by not having so many OSes to maintain.
Has it though? Windows 8.1 was merely a bug fix to sort out the broken "swipe gesture" interface and a cynical return of an icon in the bottom left corner that might pass as a "Start" button except that it didn't really do that. Everything else, apart from a few tweaks to the much unloved Startpanel, was exactly the same.
Now we get something that combines the Startpanel with a cut down start menu. That might be OK. Some people like that and I have to admit that when I first grappled with it back in the Betas... er sorry, Technical Demos, I thought it was a step in the right direction, but what we got in the end was not what we had in those Betas so much.
Then you add in the increasing amount of online intrusion (the so-called System as a Service) which is self defeating if what you actually need is a personal computer and the much unloved data slurp, and you get something that is almost certainly going to upset quite a few people.
It is true that by giving us a free operating system that is so much more efficient and multi-threading than Windows 7 it will decrease hardware sales -- hardware people shouldn't be happy -- but money saved on hardware is money available for spending on software. Part of the money I saved by not needing to buy a new computer I used to upgrade from Office 2010 to Office 365.
"Efficient?" "Multi-threading?" Sources please. Having used both, I'm still not convinced of a change here and most of those folk that have said as much so far have often been a little... biased?
As more than one person has pointed out, you are NOT getting a "free operating system". What you are getting is a beta version of system. You and others like you are being used as a testing ground for what is almost certainly going to be the actual release come this July, and the degree of freedom that you are going to have will depend on what data you give them and how they will see the licence going forward from July.
On the up side they may kill the data slurp, restore the Update control and leave us with something that might do the job. On the down side they will leave it exactly the way it is but charge you on a regular basis for its use. They aren't letting on about which it will be but you have to remember that the company is in it for the money and will get it one way or another.
I do wish I could get ahold of a Windows 8.1 iso, though, so that I can wipe the current installation with Sabayon or something of that sort and run MSWin 8.1 in a virtual machine for those things that Linux still can't do as well as MSWindows ...
BTW, do you think now is a good time to register Microsoft Widnows
Why? I never bothered...
Now I really need to know whether your Nan is the one with the sense of humour or you are.
Or are you both serious?!?
Another possible AC shill.
Without sources, your words mean squat.
about the only thing I can think of is people who need to use Sage..
Unfortunately software lock-in is a major obstacle to shifting from a particular OS.
Fortunately, if you know how, you can still bypass all the crud and keep W7 going.
Most Windows users don't really have a choice when you consider that the majority is made up of home users who tick all the boxes without realising what they are ticking and corporate users who are often stuck with whatever the admins say they are going to have and no talking back.
I can agree that Windows 10's layout is an improvement on Windows 8 but that both are heavily flawed by the insistence of Microsoft of having an app-shop type interface. The only improvement there is that W10 does provide it in a more manageable way and provides, whether by design or by accident, a way to switch the damn thing off permanently.
Otherwise Windows 10 is really nothing more than Windows 8 Desktop with a slightly redesigned start panel, a load of online cobbling and various "features" which again are probably more suited to smartphones and tablets than PCs.
The biggest question isn't so much whether Windows 10 is better or worse than Windows 8 but whether it is better or worse than Windows 7 which was the pinnacle of the development of the system since the mid-90s. That and the data slurping.
Mint is a replacement for Windows? Well, I have been vocal enough over the years in trying to keep from siding with one distro over another and in some ways you are correct.
The question, however, isn't so much if Mint (or any other Linux distro) is a replacement for Windows but that it is something that users can use to get what they want to do done without the inconveniences and importunities of a Merkan company that seems hellbent on pissing its consumers off.
Does that answer your question?
Been there, done that.
The answer is to make sure that you do a backup before W10 gets anywhere near your system so that you can roll back to that rather than relying on the W10 rollback "feature". It also means that you aren't stuck if you delay that return more than a month.
Mind you, I only did it because I've seen too many updates on too many systems, Windows, Unix and Linux, go boobies up to trust something like that.
Oh look! I haven't seen that method of FUD since I was a Usenet regular!
And my 81 year old mother is a stripper...
As far as KDE 3 goes, you always got that nice bomb wallpaper in a root session...
"Which Windows also does".
In what way is that relevant to how Linux does things...?
If you go deep enough into any operating system, you will always find similarities.
And if you are wiping the system anyway, why worry?
Actually I can remember that the "f" switch never used to be necessary when I first started with Unix (I started with DRS/NX, aka SVR4) so rm -r / as a root user was all you needed.
Mind you, I also recall a user many years ago deleting the entirety of the SYSTEM directory under MSDOS and Windows 3.0 (does that ever date me!) because they wanted to tidy the system up to free some space. You could do things like that back then!
I see we still haven't got a sad old fogey icon yet!
Which is why I'll never migrate over to Linux fully. I make too many typos.
Same here with the typos. That's why I never use sudo or su unless I really have to.
It's something that people overlook. Unlike so many Windows users who install and run as admins from start to finish, it is often the case that Linux and Unix users don't do that for the simple reason that people are fallible and you get no second chances, especially at CLI level.
Windows users could do this too but you often find that the poor design of Windows generally can make this tricky at times - remember that the interface for Windows and DOS was originally conceived as a standalone concept rather than a networked one. Unix and Linux were always considered as a multiuser environment and has all the benefits of that.
Mind you, having said that, Windows is catching up there although it is Microsoft themselves that often let the side down when you need to boost your credentials for whatever reason!
AFAICR A good deal of CP/M's user interface was borrowed from the PDP8's operating system. Or did that borrow from something earlier still?
Considering the age, I doubt that TSS/8 or its rivals of the day had any prior systems to work from generally.
Does your system use a UEFI boot system or does it use a BIOS? If it's the latter then I'm not too surprised that it's missing.
Generally, I would tend to suggest that doing anything to the system outside the accepted data or home areas, especially using an administration mode, is not a good idea regardless of OS. That particular directory isn't the only that can be used to brick an installation with the use of rm -rf!
"How on earth did I miss Windows 9?"
You can blame the Germans for that!
99% of remaining XP installs will be warez.
Not so sure about that. There are still people and places that refuse to, or are unable to change. Some of these are even covered by arrangement with Microsoft, not to mention those that have used that handy little fix that allows XP to patch using embedded/WEPOS updates. OK, they come to an end soon but it's all there. Then there are those that use XP offline or those that use XP in ways that are unlikely to allow them to be infected or damaged. Yes, and then we get the morons who still fight through the bugs...
In the 16/17 FY, expect to see waves of corporates refreshing h/w using Windows 10, many rolling out Surface Pro.
Oh look! I can see a flying pig up there!
Just because Microsoft, a corporate, is in the business of making money, don't think for one moment that any other corporate will stump up the money to refresh their kit one second sooner than they absolutely have to (unless as a gimmick). Sometimes not even then.
I'd say "We get signal" but really that's just not the case, is it?
Do we hafta?
Are you saying that this is a part of the infrastructure that is capable of "updating" to W10?
More likely WME...
So who needs an excuse for beer?
I've been a SUSE user for many years and while I have raved over some of their kit, if I have learned anything about them it is that they do like to toot their own horn. Something that I believe they learned from RedHat, a distro that SUSE seems to have a "special relationship" with in recent years.
So I shan't dismiss this completely, but I shall view it with some suspicion. At least until I see the figures backed up independently.
I'd rather do neither, partly because I find that ads are becoming more intrusive, partly because every bit of Samsung software or hardware I've owned has had problems at some point.
But then a lot of the problem has to do with who has control of your device. Is it you? Is it the manufacturer? Is it the company that supplies the software? It's the same as the question about who controls a PC once the operating system is installed and the EULA is "agreed". Whether it's Apple or Android, the right to use it seems to be creeping away from the user - jailbreaking an iOS device or rooting an Android device is becoming increasingly arcane and the licensing companies frown on the practice even more now than before.
So when I found, back in the days when I bought my first ICS device, that you could only install ad blockers if you rooted the thing first then went to a third party market to grab what you needed, do you think that was by accident that it was made that way?
Corporates are greedy by design. Deal with it.
I suspect that, ultimately, yes they are. That is unlikely to be their primary motive though.
Microsoft are in the business to make money. Nothing more than that, nothing less. They provide a product that needs to be funded in some way but they realise that they have to draw the line somewhere to prevent larger users from buggering off somewhere else like Apple or Linux. All they have really done is change the shape of that line in their favour.
Just ask Lincolnshire Council...
Oh no, not again!
Odd that I should be quoting Douglas Adams from the same passage twice in three days like that. Don't worry too much about the other quote - it was a wingless pegasus!
Microsoft refused to comment.
Probably because there's no profit in it.
Blott On The High Street?
So where is Lady Maud?
Now let me get this straight.
Cisco are trying to sue somebody for the use of a CLI? Well, that's no good since CLIs have existed for a very long time.
Cisco are trying to sue somebody for the use of certain reserved words and command structures? That could be difficult to support if the company or companies prove that the code behind it is original and not of Cisco design.
Cisco are trying to sue somebody because they want to be paid for the use of some thing that they previously gave away freely? Not so easy to defend - the devil's in the paperwork, methinks.
Cisco are trying to sue somebody because they want money and the flawed Merkan legal system could give it to them? Probably closer to the mark...