The lock in continues to develop, so it seems.
1685 posts • joined 2 Oct 2007
Another lame-brained scheme courtesy of some marketing exec with time on their hands. Yet another reason why I hate London.
Hmm... 1988, eh? I remember RISC OS coming out and I don't recall it ever having a problem with overlapping windows. Or Arthur for that matter...
Re: Linux Mint
I've been mucking about with Sarah for the last few days and it seems like a fairly solid system. Installation is pretty easy given a reasonable net connection - you can leave it using default settings if you don't have the goods to muck about yourself and as with so many Mints over the last few years, you can try before you install anyway.
My biggest gripes would be the imposition of systemd (which probably won't matter if you are using it as a desktop/laptop home user system) and where I've installed KDE, I've got the rather dreary looking Plasma 5 over which I intend to attempt to load Trinity as soon as I can. I find many users seem to prefer either Cinnamon or MATE though.
Windows 10 sucks big time and ia nothing but a Microsoft scam.
That's nice, and you won't find a shortage of people here that would agree with that sentiment.
Perhaps you could expand on how you reached that opinion? The installation nagware? The forced installation itself? The compulsory updates? The many different driver problems? The lost data? The lost or disabled applications? The spyware? Anything I missed?
Re: Damage is done
In which case they are living on borrowed time - one update to Windows may clobber their application and, if it's so important, their business.
That's always assuming that W10 hasn't killed it already or is threatening to.
The problem here is that we, the people that comment here on El Reg, probably have a degree of knowledge about the thing that we work with. We are, however, not necessarily in control of our own destiny, often caught between companies that sometimes do outrageous and occasionally unethical things to maintain their hold over it customers and those in charge of company purses who aren't always technically literate. They don't know IT but they know what they like.
Add that to the millions of home users who aren't necessarily savvy enough to allow for situations like this and have no recourse to legal representation against someone as big as Microsoft and there we have it. It's the reason why Microsoft and others get away with this sort of thing every time and those of us that are technically savvy enough to see what is going on get caught in the middle trying to make the best of a bad job.
EVERY F*CKING TIME.
Re: Am I been too technical, in saying the 3P&3Bs: prepare, prepare, prepare + backup,backup,backup.
Note to El Reg............NEED IRONY ICON!!!
I forget how long it has been since I asked for one of those...
Re: classic shell doesn't fix the flatso
"Classic Shell. Natch."
doesn't fix the 2D FLATSO, though
Unfortunately not, but it does resolve some of the Start menu bother. Reinflating the graphical side of things could be tricky though if the whole thing is still as skinnable as Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 were, or indeed as Windows 2000 was with a third-party add on, then all is not lost. Keep an eye open, it's a market opportunity waiting for someone to exploit!
In general I like it. However, I noticed that THEY TOO have all of the themes in FLATSO mode, out of the box.
I suspect that it's the current fashion. It's a bit like mobiles that are redesigned each year that do very little extra but look different from the previous model. You can see what I think of the KDE version at least at http://mistie710.livejournal.com/131737.html but chances are that I'll still sling TDE (a branch of KDE3) over the top.
(what is it with the MILLENIALS and their "do it OUR way now that it's OUR turn" down'up'grades and that gawd-awful FLATSO look???)
I'm not convinced that it is all down to millenials. Execs want a quick turnaround and low cost, so simplification pays dividends as far as they are concerned. You can trace an awful lot of what is wrong with so many things back to an exec who has little interest in creativity, aesthetics or excellence unless there is a big, fat profit in it and even then they will be looking for a way to cut the cost no matter what negative effects it has on the product or the users. As long as we keep stuffing our hands in our pockets and forking over the money to pay these morons, you will keep getting your "2D FLATSO" or whatever.
I installed W10 recently in a VirtualBox just to keep myself up to date with the damn thing. Yes, it works there now though it was a pain when I first tried it that way some moons ago. However there were a few things I insisted on.
1. Make sure that the system is set up with a local account. I notice that the option to do this is difficult to locate but it can be done.
2. Classic Shell. Natch.
3. All options that could be construed as privacy violations were to be switched off. One thing that certainly helped here was a video by Barnacules, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1kGMCfb2xw, which advised the use of Spybot Anti-Beacon.
However I am still concerned that the compulsory download/installation of patches is still a problem here in that Microsoft's quality control is still as questionable now as it was back when this problem first came to light, and patches that brick machines still occur.
Mind you, I've been giving Mint's latest, Sarah, the once over today.... oh, behave!!!
Re: Computer Misuse Act
Sadly MS have the get out of jail FREE card for this one as they say by installing a MS OS they can do what the FECK they like with your PC with total IMPUNITY !
Not completely true. An EULA has some standing in law but it can be challenged if it attempts to limit or remove your rights as granted under the law in whichever country you are in. Microsoft have come up against the law for things like this in the past, especially for things like privacy and anti-competitive behaviour.
The issue isn't necessarily all down to Microsoft, though they are to blame at bottom, but you also need to consider the legal folk and the political folk that allow such things to occur. We all know how bought off American politicians are, and I have my suspicions about more than one British MP. The fact that Microsoft does this sort of thing isn't just that they hope to make money; it's also that they are allowed to get away with it by vested interests hiding their inaction.
OK, we saw the EU do a number on them for Media Player and UK Gov has had a go in the dim and distant past for collecting personal data but if the powers that be actually did a decent job consistently then it would be a lot harder for Microsoft and others to do this sort of thing and, worse still, justify themselves doing it.
WARNING: Rant incoming!
It occurs to me that customer service is becoming more of a joke, mostly because they are seen as the bottom of the heap in IT terms. Phone jockeys. People who have but one goal in life which is to tell users to turn it off and on again. Those who are serious about the work often get crapped on, both by their superiors and in monetary terms because they are seen as grunts.
There's an old, old saying. Pay peanuts, get monkeys. I'd go further than that in that I believe that the monkeys are already in residence at some companies and nothing is being done about it. Those that are willing to be trained aren't being trained. As long as they get through umpteen calls a day, dealing with all sorts of levels of user competence and temper, sticking (at least superficially) to the standard and following procedure, then all is right with the world. That's how I see such companies as BT with whom I have had plenty of dealings with over the years and have had more to complain about than to compliment.
Not every service centre or help desk is that bad. I know of such groups that work well together and provide a level of support that BT users would envy if they came across it. They understand that ITIL is a framework and know how to apply it, not a handy badge to make them look good in the eyes of their peers. Would that every company were as serious.
No, I don't feel guilty about using an ad-blocker. I feel annoyed for having to, certainly, because so many advertisers think they have a right to obstruct content or to interfere with content in such a way as to make the experience unrewarding and unpleasant. Not every advertiser does this and it is unfortunate that those that advertise responsibly are penalised so I do use my whitelist in some cases but...
Well, here's an example. A local news service near me fills their pages with adverts. These appear above, below, around and inside the news item to the extent that you sometimes wonder if they actually give a toss about the actual news. I blocked their ads which gave some semblance of normality only to start getting a third to a half page nag telling me to switch my ad-blocker off if I cared about the news.
The whole business of putting users that use ad-blockers on some sort of guilt trip is just the latest tool being used by irresponsible advertisers who only brought this situation on themselves.
No point really. Sling a Linux distro on a reasonable PC, even one of a few years' vintage, add KDE, GNOME, Unity, LXDE, XFCE, TDE or whatever else tickles your fancy and you are already pretty much there.
Not that I see that detail stopping RedH... er, Microsoft. *^^*
From a software POV as far as I have seen so far, there is little difference between the back end of this and its immediate predecessor, though one thing to note is that the front end looks a little W10-ish. If this includes all the down-points that W10 has, then watch out!
As far as the article is concerned, however, it raises a number of valid points in that there are less reasons to deploy Windows Server than there once was, especially considering the move to publish a Microsoft SQL framework on Linux. Many other purposes have long been able to run using Linux or Unix derived resources and people are catching on to this.
I'm not a great advocate of cloud usage but I can see more than one reason why cloud infrastructure tends towards Linux. It's yet another reason why I view Microsoft's recent actions on the desktop as questionable (I've always had my doubts about their server licensing habits!)
Down to experience
When I saw that picture, my first response was this:-
Drumpf: I knew I shouldn't have got that second hand rug from Bruce Forsyth!
Google was not available for comment.
They never are when they would need to explain about something that makes them look like spying slurpware dicks.
Re: re: Machine Operating System
Sorry for the repost but it appears that the Register Android client is a complete pile of bull-dooky. I've now uninstalled it so it won't happen again.
Re: Machine Operating System
Re: Machine Operating System
Quite right, at least to start with. The 1770 came in when supplies of the 8271 dried up.
Re: Machine Operating System
I think I've seen some enterprising person build a SD card adapter that looks like a hard disk on the 1MHz bus for a BEEB, but that would need ADFS installed!
Maybe time to re-code for a Raspberry Pi.
Wouldn't take much. Either run a RasPi with Raspbian and whatever works or RISC OS with one of the 6502 emulators. Either way, at the very least, you could have the floppy as an image, similar to the way that RPCEmu does it. Then it would just be a matter of how you communicated with it.
re: Machine Operating System
As was ere said, even a blind pig stumbles across an Acorn now and again.
Mind you, that BBC Micro stallout is a bit rare...
Re: Oh so difficult
It isn't that we're too special.
Unless you mean that we a especially good in cocking up this sort of thing, of course...
Let's face it, most of the projects like this one are thought up by managers, politicians and others with no real idea about how to implement such an idea.
On the surface it sounds like a good idea - remove all the paper and replace it with some form of digital substitute. It saves waste, it saves storage, it saves all sorts of things but in the end it saves money. That's what they are thinking.
If you look across the public services you will see any number of "initiatives" to cut paper use and you will notice three specific things in every case:
1. They were thought up by high level people (executive or higher) who have no technical involvement with the job they seek to change.
2. The budget they put into place is unrealistic. It either causes a failure or is overrun in pursuit of successful implementation, though even an overrun is no guarantee of success.
3. If the project succeeds (something that is becoming rare these days), what is there is normally varies from the original idea, either through necessity or because the original plan wasn't feasible.
As far as this particular project is concerned, it is made that much worse because it is a political flash point that can be used to provide support from one side of the political spectrum but should it go wrong, it can cause a massive loss of support from another side. Either way it uses people's well being as a political toy, something that I find totally unacceptable.
Re: 10 million, but how many owners...?
That's nice, dear.
Re: Great product
3. Someone's having a laugh about zero's and one's
Zero's and one's what?
Auntie sulking a bit?
Well done, RasPi folk. Mind you, it made me giggle a bit when the venerable Beeb ran an article on this very subject today then, towards the bottom of the article, started to gripe about how hard it was to use a RasPi compared with its BBC Micro Bit then talks up the BMB...
Sour grapes, perhaps?
Hollywood is creatively bankrupt
Just another example of how creatively bankrupt Hollywood actually is.
Recycle old stories, old characters, old scenarios, slap the well-known franchise title on the front and sell it to the great unwashed for a nice, juicy profit.
A dip in interest? Try putting something that is bound to grab headlines. Make a character turn into an alien, change their sex or their sexual preference, their race, their age, kill a popular character off. It worked with Spock, after all!
If the fans start whining, just label them in some way.
If the great unwashed finally work out that they are being shafted, then shelve it for a decade or so then try again, meanwhile moving on to the next franchise.
As long as the money keeps coming in.
If all that sound cynical, consider that it is this same cynical attitude that the types in control of this sort of production are using.
Somebody will be along shortly to tell you that you can't say things like that because Windows is wonderful, object-oriented, more modern in design than all these Unix-derived OSs and that drive letters aren't in the least clunky.
...which they ripped off CP/M anyway, an operating system that was released in 1973. It seems that the business world seems determined to cock the world up one way or another, all for the sake of familiarity and a fast buck.
Re: What does "Bing" mean?
I used to have an Uncle Bing. He died some years ago though...
Re: @codysydney: Because, Dear Commentard.
At over 50 I realise that there is only one way to keep anything totally secure from hacking on the net. That's to make sure that anything that you need to make secure never goes anywhere near it.
I've seen security become something of a booming business. When I compare systems like RSTS/E V7.0 which stored its account passwords in plain text in a known account to what we currently have, things are certainly a lot more secure but one thing that is painfully obvious is that any security is subject to human frailty. So many suggested ways of dealing have their obvious down sides, mostly PEBCAK. Biometrics are no different in this matter for all sorts of reasons, and increasing use could lead to...
Well, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOpH6E7T6I0 comes to mind.
Re: Indeed both pointless.
Intel for IoT is pointless, unless Intel does new ARMs of its own.
Noises have been made, though ditching the XScale on their part was rather short sighted of them. We shall see what occurs next.
Microsoft anything for ARM is pointless. They stopped proper embedded NT and multi-platform NT support after NT 4.0. They killed Win CE and Win CE embedded after killing multi-platform.
Microsoft have always been a bit short sighted when it came to processors. Their insistence on maintaining the x86 side of things is one reason, IMHO, why things have gone the way they have. Consider the way that this problem was approached by Unix and Linux - I don't believe either would have been as successful if Microsoft had been a bit more flexible or had at least addressed processors like the ARM back when it was still being widely used in desktops.
Win 10 is a sick joke. The Pi and IoT both have alternates to Windows if you don't want Linux, though you'd be looking at some pretty niche OS other than Linux.
I think this article asked this one. And I agree here - this is an example of Microsoft trying to muscle their way into a market that is already adequately served by other systems more suited to them.
They want a presence here, just as they wanted a presence in the phone and tablet market, in the hope that people would say "hey look! It's Microsoft! Let's buy it!" The fact that it worked in their favour in the games market was less about their brand and more about other companies screwing themselves over, something that hasn't happened in the mobile market and something that has yet to happen in the IoT market.
This is Marketing, not useful platform.
And that, sad to say, describes Microsoft completely these days.
Re: Of course, Ireland has already protested
So too has America - the EU doesn't have the right to tax American companies - that right is reserved by the US ... and no doubt, at some point in the future, they will get around the thinking about doing something about it - or not.
Quite right if the company is doing business in America. The problem here is that the company is doing business in Ireland and are not only using this to dodge Irish taxes by agreement with the Irish government but avoiding taxation elsewhere in Europe by channelling its booty back to Ireland at every opportunity.
If it wants to do business in Europe without paying taxes to the European base country they are working from, then close that company down and let them do their business directly from America instead, where corporates dodging taxes is a pretty common affair.
Re: Shouldn't these rings come with a health warning?
The eagles are coming! The eagles are coming!
Make up your mind. Make it affordable and it's "Cheap Chinese tat", approaching western company price tags and it's too pricey.
I made up my mind when I bought the Honor 6. It gave me much of what was on offer upmarket for a fraction of the price; the only sacrifice was the "prestige" name and having to put up with Huawei's bloody EMUI interface. The dodgy battery cost me £18 to fix.
Considering who makes much of what we use, which Western companies were you thinking of?
Re: I quite like Huawei...
I wish the buggers could spell "Honour" though.
Depends on the context. Remember Honor Blackman?
Mind you, during my quest for knowledge on how to cure a swollen Honor 6 battery I came across an article - Indian maybe - that insisted on using the spelling "Honour". Not sure if that is a difference in branding in the Asian subcontinent or the author's spell checker at work.
I refurbed my Honor 6 last week. I suspect that it will be a while before I even think about replacing, to be honest, especially considering that it's about a year and a half old, doesn't look that different to the later models and does everything I want it to.
But then Huawei aren't the only ones that are running out of new ideas for must-have gimmicks.
Re: No surprise
Age discrimination is so common in the U.S....
Unfortunately, as I'm finding to my cost and despite legislation, it's still alive and well in the UK too.
But then the bigger question is can you really trust ANYONE...
Probably not. You have to ask what is in it for them. That's if you ignore the incompetence issues.
Probably not, but at least I'd know who to blame!
I suppose they will, but that's the problem. A secure boot structure isn't a bad idea but leaving its implementation to a company will always mean that it will be open to corporate abuse. We have already seen this in action where one corporate locks a system against systems that it is in direct competition with, now we see it where a corporation has deliberately left back doors into the product because it does not practice what it preaches.
Security often boils down to trust. Can you really trust a corporate like Microsoft?
Re: "Secure (?!) Boot"
Useless Extra Faffing Interface
Re: In other news-
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Hang on. Almost done.
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Re: How is this a Linux issue?
But I usually get shouted down by all the folks that previously commented smugly that all other OS's tend to have this very method as standard.
Why? It's not the perfect solution but, as you say, other OSs do it. Personally I wouldn't shout down a reasonable idea just because Microsoft don't currently do it. If they were to put this into a system, even the execrable Windows 10, it would be at least one reason to cheer.
Re: 'ignoring all the dam warnings'
Water shocking idea!
Re: the system packages for most distros are totally open by default.
The way I see it is that no operating system is totally safe and while Linux does make an attempt, in most distros that I've used over the years, to keep itself secure on installation, there are all sorts of reasons why you can never count on complete safety.
Most of those reasons relate to the people running the systems in question. Just as it is possible to construct a Windows system that doesn't rely on a user being logged in as admin all the time, it is just as possible for a Linux (or MacOS) system to be compromised by a user that insists on being logged in as root or has their own account added to the root group.
It's the reason why some distros are so keen on using sudo rather than encouraging a root login. You take control for as long as you actually need it and no longer.
Re: MS made me download software...
Unfortunately, many people end up crawling back because the software they use everyday doesn't work anywhere BUT Windows (as in it's WINE-incompatible and the like). OS is nothing, it's the apps that influence users' choices.
There will always be an element of software lock-in. Microsoft indeed has relied on this for many years to keep users away from possible competitors and still do.
Is the software that you are using the only possible thing that you can use? Maybe the software has a native Linux version or another product can do just as well, sometimes better. WINE isn't necessarily the only solution, and some users are too attached to brand names to see that alternatives exist. While some corporate users have no choice in the matter, other users often lock themselves in, mostly through ignorance and FUD.
Re: And here I thought...
Dunno, but the term "Making bacon" sprung to mind...
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You would not let it lie!
But I would have let it lie...
Re: We need a double facepalm icon.
In a lot of cases, never.
Very true. Consider that if people did actually learn then there would be no point to continue doing this.
Oooo! One thumb down already! The M$UK folk are being vigilant today!