It sounds like someone at Sun needs to ask some hard questions about its older customers and find out why they are doing things the way they do and why they are refusing to do things the Sun way. We use sparc hardware because its hardware stack makes stack bashing buffer overflow hacking much more difficult. We will not put Solaris 10 into production because its more of a hack job than engineered as well as being full of bloat that can not be removed. Its patch list reads like pre Beta software with all the recent essential security and stability patches. We buy Netra 210 because they are the only 1RU server they sell that will fit in our racks and still run a stable operating system.