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I was fortunate to be a member of this week's QCon panel billed as the event where "influential leaders of the software development community" would debate Java's future. I see Java's evolution more in terms of the overall platform, not just the language. The platform improvements that I look forward to most include …

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  1. amanfromMars Silver badge
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  2. Anonymous Coward
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    Deprecated

    From the dictionary:

    deprecated

    Said of a program or feature that is considered obsolescent and in the process of being phased out, usually in favour of a specified replacement. Deprecated features can, unfortunately, linger on for many years.

    Features are deprecated for a reason - they are going to be removed from use. If someone relies on deprecated code, tough, they shouldn't be lazy. If more programmers started writing better code that would be a good thing

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  3. Jack Ashburn

    Why bother to deprecate if you don't remove??

    Unused functionality that hasn't been deprecated remains - that I agree. But deprecated functionality - if it's never removed, why bother deprecating??

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  4. Rob W

    Deprecation is still useful

    ...because developers generally steer clear in ongoing development. You get compiler warnings otherwise (or your IDE will flag the deprecated usage), so you'll stop and find the better approach. Deprecation is just a simple way for Sun to say, "there's a better way now."

    I also understand why deprecated features aren't actually removed for a long, long time (if ever: last I checked, at least some 1.0.2 features that were deprecated with Java 1.1 are still around).... Many applets and applications are not developed "in-house". So perhaps your company has a custom graphic applet on your website (or something like that) that you paid quite a lot for back in 1997, OR they paid for any of the many libraries, APIs, applet collections, etc. that can be pretty pricey for specialized niches.. but the provider may not even be in business anymore. It's all okay, as long as it still fills your needs there's no reason to lay down the cash to change it or replace it... unless Sun starts removing deprecated features.

    The number of applets and apps like this is surprisingly high, and Sun doesn't want to make their users suffer unless there's a good reason -- and so far at least, "just to tidy up a bit" doesn't count as a good reason.

    As a developer, yes, I'm all for removing the deprecated stuff. Give me a leaner, cleaner Java to work with! But there are lots of businesses with a very different point of view.

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  5. J Walker
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    Make Mine Regular PHP

    My first computer language was OS1100 assembler language. I went through Fortran, Basic, COBOL, BAL, APL, . . . . , Query languages, Visual Basic, XML, XSLT, C#, HTML, CSS, Javascript and PHP. Object-oriented, compiler and interpreter languages. Mainframes, Minis, mainframes that looked like minis, PCs and the Internet. Joomla, Drupal, Zend Framework, Ruby on Rails, ASPX.

    XML is occasionally useful for EDI. My development environment has become HTML, CSS, Javascript and PHP (non-OOP). It's been that way for some time now. Nothing else lets me get the job done faster. I'm not sure why I would need anything else?

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  6. Jon Rose

    What about new additions to Java?

    I had the chance to attend the QCon panel discussion, and I have to admit I was surprised at the discussion on reducing the Java SE by removing things deemed unneeded. This seemed very odd to me. Is there any precedent for stripping down a well adopted platform like Java? I would think not… Even if we did, would it really reduce the ‘surface area’ that developers have to know to utilize Java? You still ‘need’ the API’s you ‘need.’

    Also, to me using ‘deprecated’ API’s isn’t about being lazy. It is about backwards compatibility. If I want to upgrade a system from Java 1.4 to Java 5, I shouldn’t be forced to rewrite my entire application to take advantage of the Java 5 features in a newer parts of the system.

    Either way, I still thought it was a bit strange of Rod Johnson to take the discussion on the ‘Future of Java’ down this road. I personally would have been more interested in hearing about possible new additions.

    -Jon

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