Dutch police arrest 16-year-old WikiLeaks avenger

Re: Playing with fire

Yep, unfortunately a lot of teenagers are going to be led astray by this and won't adequately cover their tracks while trying to help their cause. Lots of other ways to spread the message, just talking about it with friends who are only hearing a biased portrayal in mainstream news can help a lot. Leave the illegal stuff to the people who feel that it's necessary and know what they're doing.

Uhuh

That's probably because they are "unwilling". That is to say mens rea indicates the crime was committed by the individual who hijacked their machine, that is to say they did not deliberately download and install the malicious package that is inflicting such damage on systems world wide.

If people deliberately and maliciously damage computer systems, in support of a man and organisation dedicated to the public broadcast of state secrets there's no point in screaming foul when prosecution follows. That will show either a lack of insight (perhaps meaning the offender is at risk of harming self or others) or that the individual is not repentant and likely to reoffend.

These people are going to suffer for their behaviour, and rightly so. Just like the online paedophiles of this world they need to realise they are *not* anonymous. Two years hard labour. Next.

Because...

...they don't tart about like we seem to have to, They just do it. Good too.

Whatever you've been smoking..

.. I wouldn't want any of it.

Let me know when your brain has caught up with the real world. You seem to be the sort of guy that walks around with a bleeding tongue because you keep forgetting about the staples when licking the centerfold..

Who's reggie?

And why does he have a real goose?

Properganda

As opposed to improperganda I suppose.

Donations via Iceland

> Until Mastercard/PayPal/Visa pulled the plug I wasn't going to make a

> donation to Wikileaks, now I want to know if there's any way I still can.

Today's Grauniad gave a couple of bank accounts that you could still send money to, one in Iceland and the other (I think) in the Netherlands. You might be able to find them online.

Personally I would worry that you might be considered to be supporting a terrorist organisation and get into very deep trouble.

Not so futile, maybe

"...boycotting these companies is futile..."

If a popular boycott lowers their sales a single 1%, the next time 'someone' asks them to do the government's dirty work they won't be so eager to comply. Remember, many of these corporate types would sell their mothers, sliced, for a single 1% increase in sales. And there are more effective ways to boycott them than DDOSing their servers. See my post below.

"This WikiLeaks stuff is important. Whichever camp you fall into, there's an important argument going on and it deserves attention"

Amen, brother.

Alternatives to Paypal and Amazon

"Unfortunately with our reliance on our credit/debit cards and buying tat on eBay through Paypal or getting most of our Xmas shopping through Amazon, boycotting these companies is futile."

Au contraire. They are the first and biggest but not the only games in town and more are coming. Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door. Let's move our business to companies that our more inline with our beliefs and less prone to political intimidation.

Eg. ZashPay lets you send money via e-mail or text message. Account setup is free, as is receiving money. Works only if your bank is signed up but they are expanding.

Online purchasing and financial transactions are here to stay but Paypal and Amazon need some competitors because, now since the Wikileaks fiasco, I and many others are looking to take our business elsewhere.

@Steve Roper

Stop taking the tablets, Steve.

They aren't working any more.

Maybe one reason people don't do much Bastille-storming these days is that they actually learned from history that someone shouting 'anything is better than this!' is frequently proved tragically wrong.

The first rule of fight club is...

Seriously dude, this isn't the revolution.

Defending their life

I agree- it is the only way left to them.

"Uprisings in the grand tradition of storming the Bastille are no longer possible in the face of police technology, weapons, and crowd-control psychology. Science and technology have been used for evil here and there is no longer any stopping them by mass insurrection or guerilla warfare."

pot and toss

your obviously happy to lay down and take it like a bit h.

Weak!

you are right ...

'gullable' has been removed from the dictionary. It's like it was never there.

selfish undisciplined children

when did you kids become so sceptical?

Have you stopped to think why people are supporting them? Or are you too busy updating your twatface profile on your ifreak?

Sad, very sad people

Ah yes, it's in theRegister...

...so it must be true, like all the other stuff they publish.

@oliver Stieber

>>"so if I walk in front of the entrance to a bank in protest, would I get the same treatment?"

If you stopped people going in, I suppose you might be done by the police for obstruction, or pushed out of the way by an annoyed would-be customer.

Though I guess you'd probably better work out what role the bank actually has in the affair you're protesting about, so that you won't look like a dick if someone asks what you think you're doing.

take it!

"The DDoS attacks are a spontaneous response by a group of irresponsible people with a large pimple to brain ratio"

Do you have any idea what your talking about? It really doesn't sound like it!

Why are these people irresponsible? Because they are supporting the release of information which affects us all. Grow up!

Something else that is stupid...

Here is something else that is stupid: your post, and your failure to read the link which I pasted into my previous post.

Let me repeat the salient points:

1) Cryptome calls WIkiLeaks a "criminal organization".

2) WikiLeaks is funded by George Soros, using intermediaries.

3) Soros would not fund WikiLeaks unless he was receiving a return on his investment.

4) According to Cryptome, WikiLeaks is a commercial organization, selling "leaked" material to whoever can afford it. (I would attempt to explain the difference between WikiLeaks and Rupert Murdoch to you, but it seems that you are not capable of understanding it.)

5) WikiLeaks put what must be assumed to be the unedited Iraq files on their server, and threaten to release the password, thereby making any Iraqi who cooperated with the US a hostage. And no one knows how many people have the password to the file, or the circumstances under which someone will release that password.

6) We have been told that the password is a "common phrase". Cleverly, this would tend to mean that the password is weaker than it might otherwise be, thereby putting the lives of the Iraqis mentioned in the files even more at risk.

7) The *clever* course of action for any Moslem fundamentalist or any anti-American group, or intelligence agencies from Pakistan or Iran, would be to assassinate whatever WikiLeak insider(s) they can find. If they can disguise their involvement (not too hard to do, I should think!) this would cause the release of the the password, and permit free access to the identities of the Iraqis, enabling them to be persecuted and killed whenever it would be either convenient or expedient.

YOU might find this entertaining. *I* don't.

MY feeling is, that if WikiLeaks is going to act as an anti-American intelligence agency, then I want them executed. And if they are going to endanger the lives of Iraqis who think that a US-supported government is either the best, or simply least-bad option, and who, for having had the courage to act on this, and as a consequence must now fear for exposure for possibly the rest of their lives, then *I* want everyone involved in running WikiLeaks executed, either judicially or extra-judicially - I really don't care which.

@Danny 2 Ref:Age of Criminal Responsibility

"The Dutch age of criminal responsibility is 16. If this 'mafia/terrorist' had been just a year younger then he would've been 'bullet-proof'."

He probably was a year younger when he came to thier attention, they've just been biding thier time...

oh how

If I want to use my internet connection to run one of these loic's or whatever that's my choice isn't it? If my internet provider wants to terminate me because of it that's their choice isn't it?

God how i Wish it was like that !!!!!!

but anyway here so far from the exchnage my measly 0.45 upload wont make any difference.

Right on the spot, Mr. Woods

I just wrote a comment with similar thoughts. Could have saved the effort with a 'ditto'! :-D

@James Woods: Please use a portion of your next paycheck to buy a clue.

You clearly know absolutely nothing about Federally registered non-profits in the US. If you did, you would have taken the 30 seconds it took me to look them up and see that they are a 501(c)3 organization and included the full designation in your post. Because IIRC there are about 14 different classes of 501 non-profit organizations that can be registered in the US. And they all have different rules for what they can and cannot do. Most people tend to think of the 501(c)3 which is allowed to give people letters certifying donations made to them are tax deductible. They also tend to get discounts from vendors when purchasing things (and the ones from MS are HUGE). They are required to show that most of their money comes from membership fees or charitable contributions.

The key element for them however is not that they don't make money. It is that none of the OFFICERS of the corporation or its Board of Directors earn no income as a result of the operation. If that weren't true AARP would long ago have been ravaged for tax dollars given the size of their insurance business and senior citizens discount shakedowns. In fact, if you hire sufficiently clever lawyers you can even spin off profit making entities connected to your 501(c)3 group which funnel money to the 501(c)3 just as long as the 501(c)3 doesn't funnel money back into the profit making corp.

And if you go to something like a Social Group 501, you can do even more. You just don't get the same tax deductible tax bennies for your members.

@LOIC

>>"Oddly, that game is something around 16 years old, which makes the assumed demographic of the attackers kind of interesting..."

But surely it's named by someone who wrote it, not by everyone who uses it.

I could write a program and name it after an obscure band I saw in the 70s, but that wouldn't necessarily prevent ankle-biters from running it.

No, the mountain is Assange, Wikileaks, and Soros.

Assange is a known anarchist, like many of the people who visit Anonymous. His intention isn't to reform government, it is to destroy it. Finding and leaking corruption documents further those ends. So do the attacks Anonymous is launching against legitimate businesses following legal government orders. The attack follows the Marxist directive of Top Down, Bottom up, Inside Out, Outside In. Assange and Wiki push from the bottom. Everybody gets scared, angry, violent, and desperate. Then the masses call out for someone to stop the chaos and the government closes from the top. All coordinated by the likes of Spooky Dude George Soros who has already run multiple scams against countries to devalue their currencies and profit from it handsomely.

The two Swedes accusing him of rape are also known anarchists. One of them with a known penchant for honeypotting men to accuse them of rape and ruin their lives. No need for a CIA setup here, it's all in the Illuminati card game: All weird is opposite and all fringe is at the extreme of weird.

@Blitheringeejit

There's a cab here for a Mr Godwin.