Hyperic charges after disgruntled Ubuntu upgraders

Wow, a IT writer who knows nothing about computers.. cool

Yes indeed, it would be nice to have your job..

Worked for me on a Mac!

Worked perfectly for me after the torrent took 3 days to get the virtual machine image downloaded.

Unzipped the file, booted first time, connected to the intarwebs and just worked.

I'm impressed. If I didn't have a Mac I'd seriously be looking at moving to Ubuntu for my daily work.

Gutsy's upgrade will be a lot cheaper than Tiger's:-)

MS: be afraid. Ubuntu's very easy to use when moving from Windows. I'm sure you could use a different desktop wallpaper and call it Vista and most of the unwashed masses wouldn't notice the difference!

Yeah, hyperic are not the brightest

One of their salesdrones just told me they'd rather not sell me their software, and that I should stick to their "open source" crippleware. Not enough servers to make the effort.

Have you tried

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.19.html

Nvidia drivers and installation setup does Xorg.conf and everything for you. Can't promise anything though not a Ubuntu user sorry.

but give it a year....

Lets not forget that Ubuntu has a release schedule of 6 months, so another version is not far away.

Also compare this to Linux on the desktop of just 2 years ago, and even in that time things have moved far with people like Dell involved now.

And finally given that journo's are writing about this and generally saying 'its too not bad and when it did go bad there were solutions'...

How many reasons does it take to ditch the expensive (redmond) OS for a free one that is 99% there.

Wow, so Ubuntu can lose your desktop-just like windows!

I'm sorry, but Ubuntu copying the Microsoft upgrade proceedure where you lose your desktop- it's just not good enough!

Wait, they didn't disable the command line. So windows is still in front!

Nearly every MS upgrade release I have seen has been seriously pants, often leading to a re-install from scratch to get a useable system, or a seriously crippled result at best.

Actually, to qualify that, I have NEVER seen a satisfactory system upgrade in Windows, in the last 14 years. Which is why I always insist on fresh installs. Hell, a lot of people recommend fresh installs every 6 months, just to keep the carp running reasonably well!

DKMS???

Years ago, Dell created the Dynamic Kernel Module System (DKMS) for Linux. It dynamically loads a new kernel module for things such as Ndiswrapper, and graphics cards. These drivers need kernel modules that most Linux distros provide as a separate package that must be matched to the kernel being installed. With DKMS, however, none of that is needed. It takes care of the module for you. Why doesn't Dell insist on Ubuntu using DKMS, a system it created to solve this very problem? Mandriva and PCLinuxOS both use it and it works very well, and saves users from this kind of nightmare.

Buggy

I've found the latest version of Ubuntu to be full of bugs. I've spent hours and hours getting my systems up and running and I'm wondering why I bother... XP is so much easier!¬

Yea but....

I know it all sounds nice, and when I retire my gaming pc I suspect I will use it for running linux, but.

I should say ' BUT' i can't change at the moment because MS has me locked into DX to play all my dam games :(

Thats all I have to add, I know none of you play games, but trust me, if there is a teenage kid in the house and you have one computer, its not gona have linux. (or at least not as the only OS on the machine.

Just my wing....

RE: Yea but....

Of course, I find having only linux OS's at home is good,

for 2 reasons:

1. Because then there is no PC that can be used for serious gaming.

It helps keep a couple of teenagers from becoming game addicts,

2. It allows me (a computing professional) to play dumb when people ask for help with problems with their windows PCs. I just tell them I don't use windows and that they should probably just reinstall. I got sick of having to deal with peoples malware laden PCs. and then have them ignore simple safe computing rules and end up infected again.

Also, while ever installing and running a linux OS does require some nous, it will limit the number of noobs using it, and won't attract the attention of the exploit writers who target those noobs.

YMMV

Try PCLinuxOS!

For all of you frustrated by Ubuntu, you should really give PCLinuxOS a try! Seriously, it's much easier to setup, configure, maintain, and use. Instead of overbearing automatic scripts that know better than you do how your computer should be setup, PCLinuxOS has much friendlier scripts but also a GUI control panel to allow you to easily make system changes. It has Apt and Synaptic too, so despite being RPM based, it's free of dependency problems. Really, you should give it a shot. I guarantee you'll like/love it... It's easily the best Linux, and certainly the most new user friendly out there, but doesn't restrict power users.

Upgrades? Who in their right mind does those?

I agree with Leo Maxwell's assessment, that upgrades only cause problems.

I insist on only doing a clean install. I have my /home on a separate partition. This ensures that I don't loose any of my data whilst I do the clean install of the new OS. I have tried various Linux flavours using this method (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Mepis, PCLinxOS, Fedora, etc) and have returned back to Ubuntu as it had the best hardware support for my laptop (ASUS A6Rp).

I am loving Gutsy, and have not had any major issues installing or configuring it.

Hamish

Comparative resources

I wonder if the team who are responsible for linux had the resources and facilities that the microsoft team have whether they could improve on vista (and in less time)

RE: download problems

I'll second that. Had all of my updates over aptitude in no time at all and a shiny new system with no problems (not even any laptop issues). Even wandered into Gnome (normally a KDE user) and had fun playing with the compiz integration. Very nahs.

RE: Hate2Register

So? This isn't an IT site! It stopped being that ages ago!

Linux generally

Yeah Linux is faster bla bla bla, I have spent 23 years working with PCs and every version of Windows. Despite any and all problems it is STILL easier to use Windows. I just installed Ubunto and tried for about 12 hours to get my Dell Wireless Lan to connect! I found hundreds of different sets of instructions (2 on ubuntu, one on ndiswrapper and several hundred on Google) none of which worked. On my Windows machine I just ran a CD, restarted the machine and I was on the net.

If Linux is ever going to eradicate Windows it is going to have to spend a lot more time on the User Friendly bit!

Is Linux ready?

This is exactly why Linux is known as a hobbyist's OS. I still use Linux but at times it seems we are like a dog chasing our tail. I also can't see the reasoning in "any idiot knows you shouldn't upgrade to a new OS the first month". You mean to tell me that a stable release isn't meant to be used until "the bugs are worked out". I thought that's what beta and alpha releases were for. Not to mention with a release cycle of every six months if you wait a month or more for the OS to be usable a new one is right around the corner.

Just a little frustration.

@ stalker

"most of the time the problems we have are hardware/software incompatibility issues."

What other problems could you possibly have?!

7.10 is an interim release (semi-stable)

This is the difference between opensource and commercial

Commercial - if it's released you expect it to be fully tested and stable - but it usually isn't

OpenSource - if it's released it's mostly stable, but it might have some small problems

It depends which you prefer? they usually work about the same, are about as stable, but one gives the impression it's stable and isn't, and one give you the impression it's *mostly* stable and is ...

Upgrading your operating system never works, Windows, Linux, OSX any of them unless you upgrade a completely clean install with no other software and no reconfiguration...

Games are written for Windows because gamers have Windows PC's that's why games are written for the current consoles, people have them and want games for them, try buying a game for an old console? But it's a vicious circle, games are not written for Linux because gamers don't run Linux and Gamers don't run Linux because there are no games for it ...

Did you try installing the initial release of Vista and upgrading from XP? that would have failed as well, and the drivers for a lot of video cards, WiFI cards etc were buggy or missing

Search the Net

"Being a Linux novice and a self-serving hack, I abused my position as a reporter and e-mailed Canonical chief Mark Shuttleworth about the issue. Shuttleworth was kind enough to put me in touch with whiz Bryce Harrington. "Run - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg," Harrington told me, and life got better."

Not being a hack, I just typed the words 'linux graphics fix' into Google, and clicked on the first result: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/how_to_fix_your_computers_graphics_with_dpkg-reconfigure. Run - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it told me...

Perhaps the problem here is not the 'open source "community"', but your inability to search the net for information.