Scottish poll probe: e-counting gets 'hold off until safe' verdict

Confusing elections

The problem with the Scottish vote is that we had Scottish parlimentary elections and council elections at the same time with two different voting systems. This led to confusion and the incorrect filling in of voting forms.

The Sottish electronic count is probably the best system there is. As there are paper votes you can resort to manual counting if things go wrong. However, machines are generally better at counting than humans, so should reduce the number of miscounted votes.

I think all we ned to do is allow ourselves an extra day of counting - this would allow a sample of the electronic votes to be hand counted to check that there hasn't been a systemic error that could skew election results.

Re:Confusing elections

Tim, the evidence suggests that the electronic system wasn't the best. The amount of ballot papers that it rejected was wholly unacceptable. It seems that the system was untested on a large scale and as a result was unable to handle the variety of handwriting that was passed through it. In addition there was no scrutiny of the system, either of hardware or software and the software was all closed source.

This was a system that was being tested in a live situation, and effectively disenfranchised a lot of people because of that. The usual lack of comprehension within the government meant that the system was passed through pretty much on the nod, for which someone senior should have taken responsibility. A democracy cannot afford to have the core process of its society left to the lowest bidder and without public scrutiny, as it rapidly stops being a democracy. Pencil and paper is the only solution until the people who make decisions on our behalf understand this.

My apologies

But suspended != abandoned, counts were abandoned in England for sure, and only suspended in Scotland. Minor detail I know.

Core processors and functioning peripherals

>> "A democracy cannot afford to have the core process of its society left to the lowest bidder and without public scrutiny, as it rapidly stops being a democracy."

Have you met the New Boss? He looks a lot like the Old Boss.

Counting Machines

The counting machines and software used in the Scottish elections is the same that has been used for the previous London Mayor elections. Now I could be wrong, but it all seemed to work OK then (I would imagine if someone had called it into question the news would have even reached up here!!). In addition, DRS has supplied the same system to other countries who continue to use it without any problems. The confusion came when the Scottish Parliament (or whoever) decided to make the voting forms so complicated that people couldn't understand them. After all the counting had taken place, all the hard drives from the counting machines were surrendered to the returning officers.

Personally I would like to see a return to manual counting but this would probably not be possible if they continue with the STV system - I heard it would take days to calculate this by hand. I think its interesting that Alex Salmond seems to be saying that the election was flawed but hasn't offered to call another one - funny that!

I was there...

I was an election agent in May, so I was at one of the counts, at least until it was suspended and I went home to bed. It was fascinating to watch the papers go through the scanners and watch the OCR (or image matching, or something) software doing its job. From what I could see, it was working well. It should have been a quick and accurate count. However, as far as I can understand, there were two problems; one technical, one organisational.

The technical problem was the one that stopped the stopped the count on the night. Having done the right thing and distributed the processing across many (I think 31) counting centres, some towering genius then introduced a single point of failure with a central server to which all counts reported. The central server, of course, failed for a lengthy period of time. This was serious, but it was not the cause of the rejected ballots.

The organisational problem seems to have been a rather bizarre algorithm in the way that "recognised" papers were accepted. The parliamentary paper had two voting columns - one for the MSP, one for the party. In Scotland we choose one MSP for each constituency on a personal vote, then another seven from party lists. Yes, eight MSPs per constituency. It seems that if a voter cast a party vote but no personal vote, the entire paper was rejected. This worked against many of the smaller parties (we have a multi-party system up here) and may have led to the annihilation of the SSP. There is a good argument that whoever devised and/or approved of this algorithm is culpable in an electoral fraud. This fault only affected the parliamentary election, not the local government election.

Despite these problems I think that the voting methodology was good. PR is a good way to elect politicians, but too complicated to count and allocate to do manually. I would have no hesitation in using e-counting again next time, but I will bite, kick and scratch not to allow e-voting. At least we still have a paper trail, and if we really wanted we could run all of the papers through the machines again.

PS Hope you don't mind the anonymity, but I'm going to be an election agent again and I need to keep on the good side of our Returning Officer.