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A European committee is calling for a community-wide ban on the Mosquito device which gets rid of teenagers by emitting an irritating buzzing noise that older people cannot hear, even though the device has the backing of Home Secretary Alan Johnson. The Culture, Science and Education committee of the Parliamentary Assembly of …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    Unintended Targets

    Unfortunately these devices are a bit hit and miss in their targeting, I'm just shy of 30 and can still hear the bloody things. If I found my council using these things I'd start asking why I'm paying council tax to have my ears assaulted.

    1. Graham Marsden
      FAIL

      I'm 44...

      ... and because I never blasted out my eardrums at discos etc, I can hear the damn things too.

      Thank the gods there's none of them around my area, otherwise I'd be walking into shops "protected" by them and informing them that they've just lost my custom!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Grenade

        A title as relevant as chalk and chips.

        I'm 49, used to blast my eardrums out at gigs by the likes of Black Sabbath, stand at the side of the strip just far enough up from the christmas tree at Santa Pod that when the top fuelers went past my undefended hearing went up the scale to where all I heard was a high pitched scream, and spent most of my life riding motorbikes without using earplugs (the one time I tried them it disoriented me so much I crashed into a Merc in the Kings Road), and _I_ can hear the fucking things

        Grenade, 'cos that's what I'll go off like if they subject ME to this in public space.

  2. mafoo
    Unhappy

    ASBO

    Just give the shop owners an ASBO for playing loud noise with no consideration for neighbours. Or set up a counter mosquito with a sample of vicky pollards trademark phrase on loop, indefinitely.

  3. Thomas 18
    Unhappy

    YAY!!!!

    Lets use sonic weapons against our children! what could possibly go wrong!

  4. Mike Brown

    think of the children!

    crazy idea. what about babies that taken to shops by there mothers. even if they are wearing little hoodies, they dont deserve to have this sonic weapon targeting them

    im also just shy of 30, and can hear it.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Down

      There is a nice example of this in Bristol

      A friend of mine is a (probation) youth worker in Bristol, the offices where her clients are *required* to attend, are directly opposite a large supermarket which has these fitted.

      So choose between suffering a persistent sonic assault or violating parole conditions, some choice!

      I think these devices should be illegal, and the makers forced to compensate people who are *required* to attend areas where they are deployed.

      If you want to disperse people, what's wrong with the old nightclub favorite of playing country and western music, it cleared the room in every club I've ever been in.

      1. sandman

        Wusses

        We used to play Silver Machine at max volume and fire up a pair of 500W photo-floods to clear the club - made quite a startling contrast after the gentle "last desperate snog" song.

  5. Skizz
    FAIL

    Big Fail

    When will they realise, like CCTV, it doesn't solve a problem, just moves it somewhere else.

    1. A J Stiles
      Unhappy

      They don't have to

      As long as said "somewhere else" is somewhere they can pretend doesn't exist, then it doesn't really matter. The problem is as solved as it needs to be .....

  6. mhoulden
    Megaphone

    Buzzing

    Of course there's no connection between an irritating high pitched buzzing noise and the latest pronouncement from the Home Secretary, is there?

    Leeds bus station used to deter troublemakers by playing loud 80s power pop in the evenings. These days they just annoy everyone by having a disembodied voice going on about CCTV and smoking.

  7. Wize

    They are bloody annoying.

    My other half is 27 and she still hears them. Its rather painful for her at the local train station.

    Not to mention the poor kids who are getting headaches from it and their parents cant hear a thing. Wont someone think of the children?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I like

    I like this

    "Kids rather brilliantly reverse-engineered the noise to use as a mobile ringtone which cannot be heard by teachers and other elderly foes"

    It gives me faith in the future

    1. Velv
      FAIL

      Puzzling?

      You've got to give the kids credit for trying, but FAIL

      Phone goes "bzzzz, bzzzz" as it rings. Teacher can't hear it ring Thumbs Up!

      Kid answers phone "Yo, dude, ma man"

      Whack! - Teacher smacks kid for talking on phone in class, and as it didn't ring, teacher has to assume the kid made the call instead of receiving it.

      1. Skipraider
        FAIL

        Get with it...

        Kids don't use phones for TALKING anymore.

    2. Marvin the Martian
      Boffin

      Brilliant if true.

      Does the mobile's speaker output at such frequencies? Would be bad construction.

      Just like a phoneline cuts off low frequencies (e.g. cat's purr) as that's mostly background noise.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Grenade

    Dont make me laugh

    Fuck the children - theres a news story just broke about a 68 year old who collapsed and died after being abused by 'children' - I agree with the European arseholes - remove the device and arm the shopkeepers with Uzi's - and please for the love of <insert name of favorite invisible friend here> stop breeding - millions of years people have been breeding, its no longer considered to be a 'clever' trick!

    1. AlistairJ

      It sounds like ... the future

      I can see why you'd want to remain anonymous with attitudes like these.

      Obviously, it does no good to treat your young people as vermin. If you have a graffiti problem, why not provide them with something positive to do instead?

      1. Bilgepipe
        FAIL

        Fail.

        "If you have a graffiti problem, why not provide them with something positive to do instead?"

        It's not everyone elses' job to provide youths with "something to do" to stop them stabbing each other, spraying stuff with paint and murdering elderly people. It's not that they have nothing to do, the problem is they're little fuckers. Bring 'em up properly, stop trying to fob the job onto everyone else.

        Parenting Fail.

      2. Jamie Forder

        It's The Only Future I See...

        At this rate anyway, everybody is quick to scream 'think of the kids' and "don't assault the kids with sonic weapons"(which i have to say is THE most overly dramatic thing i've heard in ages).

        I just wonder if the angel kids give absolutely any shit at all about the peoples lives they ruin with there abuse and violence? not to mention the areas that get run down and turned to shit because they think its the height of brilliance to stand around smashing bottles, riding dirt bikes up the road whilst simultaneously smoking, taking drugs and leaving used condoms all over.

        Sure lets not treat the like vermin, the day a story breaks about a guy who collapsed on his own front door step after being abused for months by complete dicks, or the guy who died after having his head stamped on for having the bare faced cheek to go and tell a group of kids to stop smashing up his car.

        "What about the police" people say........well what we'll do there is create a society that has gone about actively stripping them of every power to even touch the little arseholes let alone arrest them, now the kids fear no-one, and lets face it the parents of most of these horrible shites couldn't care less. We'll give them ASBO's that they'll collect as a badge of honour (just like the kid who stabbed Joseph Lapin). We'll send them to youth hostels and young offenders prisons which are like holiday camps where they can play on PS3's or go on skiing trips.

        The problem we have these days is everyone is so concerned with this set of rights and that set of rights that we have become a society of pansies, constantly living in fear of upsetting someone and being sued, or touching a child for fear of being labeled a paedophile. We need to get back to how it was before the kids ran the show, can anyone say that this sort of behaviour would have been tolerated by your parents parents?? No because they would have got a good hiding without the fear of some sweater vest wearing councill employee coming around to tell them the optimum way to raise their child.

        I'll finish by saying that my name is Jamie Forder, i'm not the original poster of the comment you replied to but i am in no way ashamed of my attitudes in the slightest, i'll never say any less to anyone who asks. You say give them give something more "positive" to do..... i say give it to them when the bloody deserve it. If they show respect to other people and other peoples property then fine, give em what they need. If not fuck 'em, they made their bed, so they can lie in it. They should just count themselves lucky that someone, somewhere hasn't snapped at the youths in their local area and took it further because if they did, a headache would be the least of their worries!!

        It's time people woke up and saw just what carnage some of these kids are ACTUALLY causing!

        1. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

          Re: It's The Only Future I See...

          Thanks, Jamie. That was enlightening.

          I think the point being made about the Mosquito is that it is indiscriminate and treats *all* of a certain group as a nuisance and potential threat, regardless of the individual's characteristics. But clearly you're a man who understands all about that.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Holiday camps?

          Jeez, your head must make a hollow echo!

    2. Mike Lovell
      Coat

      Re: Dont make me laugh

      You should note the heavy sarcastic tones of his post. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously I'll wager! ;o)

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Alan Johnson deaf

    I'm sure if *he* could hear the sound then it would be banned. But if it's a violation of their human rights, it means that anyone who deploys these are open to lawsuits.

    So sue their asses.

    1. Disco-Legend-Zeke

      No Mention Of...

      ...sound pressure levels, but these would be dangerous to youngins especially.

      Anyone that is exposed to this would be very likely to recover monetary damages for hearing loss. Class action, perhaps?

  11. Elmer Phud
    FAIL

    Not just teenagers

    The mosquito tones also affect smaller people like toddlers and babies.

    These kids are not wailing and screaming for o reason, it's because it is freaking them out, the don't have the language to say what's going on and parents get concerned or just give the moaning whinging sods a slap.

    Mosquito tones are indescriminate attacks on a far wider group of humans than is thought. That pepoe could consider that the tones only affect disaffected teenagers is both completely wrong and possibly against various human rights.

    The tones also don't affect all teenagers in the same way - some find it annoying and others find it actually painful. Are we allowing methods banned at Guantanamo Bay to be used against our own citizens? just in the name of profit?

    1. Cantab
      Megaphone

      Well said

      hear hear! People talk about having them at train stations, this seems to assume all young people do there is cause trouble, of course there's no chance at all they might just want to catch a train in peace!

      When will people learn to solve a problem, rather than just push it away!

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    Move along now, nothing to see

    "But PACE [...] reckons the "youth dispersal" devices treat young people "as if they were unwanted birds or pests"..."

    So is PACE saying they aren't?

  13. Skipraider
    WTF?

    the other 10%?

    "Interestingly the company behind the Mosquito - Compound Security Services - is not opposed to regulation; in fact it has spent the last two years trying to get the Home Office to act.

    The company wants to restrict sales to police forces and local councils - which already account for 90 per cent of UK sales."

    ... erm, so they are currently selling these devices to non-governmental purchasers, but would really rather not be?

    1. RanTalbott

      More likely explanation.

      They'd love to sell shiploads of them, but they want government regulations to shield them from liability for the misuses that will inevitably occur when you have enough of them in consumer hands.

  14. Paul Bruneau

    In the house of commons??

    "Alan Johnson backed the use of the devices in the House of Commons in February."

    Why do they want to use them in the house of commons??? Do they have a teenage loitering problem there?

    1. Jimbo 6

      in the HOC...

      ...they certainly have an anti-social behaviour problem !

      Nail them up ! Nail them up, I say !

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I can hear them and I am 37

    Bloody things

  16. Eden
    FAIL

    Assault!

    I'm 28 with Tinitus and I can not only hear the damn things but they Aggravate my Tinitus somethign AWFUL to the point the ones in the MK shopping centre give me a headache for hours after I've left the area if I have to hang around them.

    If they EVERY start deploying these around my home you can fully expect me to start legal precedings as they actually cause me pain and discomfort and as far as I'm concerned are tantamount to assault.

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    1. A J Stiles
      Boffin

      What do you need the 555 for?

      The TDA20xx is, to all intents and purposes, an op-amp (it just can source and sink more current than the usual LM358, and loses its gain altogether somewhere between ultrasound and LW), and so can be used as its own oscillator.

      I've worked in the industry and if you *can* save a part, you *do*. Especially one that may need to be hand-stuffed.

  18. David Edwards
    Stop

    Just plain wrong

    If I take my 2 year old anywhere near one of these things (unintentionally) and she freaks out. How on gods earth is that right.

    If I find any of these near me I will complain to every single possible person about their use. BAdly thought out, indiscriminate crap.

  19. Red Bren
    Megaphone

    Counter-device?

    Could someone build a detector for these things, preferably mounted in a baseball bat so I can smash the them to smithereens?

  20. Robert Carnegie Silver badge

    Let's build our own devices of this type

    and send them to legislators and local councils. Unbreakable with no off switch once exposed to light.

    Will look quite like bombs I suppose, let's make them small...

  21. dr48

    Noise Pollution

    Would there be a mechanism to do current users under noise pollution regs, like you can annoying neighbours?

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Cats

    I came across a mosquito-like device in someone's front garden recently. I assume it was being used to keep cats away as the garden was mostly gravel - like a giant litter tray - and there was also a metal image of a cat. I found it annoying 100 m away so I don't suppose the neighbours enjoyed it very much. I think the device had a motion detector in it. Perhaps it was broken and would normally only make a noise when someone or something enters the garden.

    Why would something like this cost £600? Typo for £60? If it's really £600 I can see why only the "authorities" buy it.

    I'm over 40 so you'd have thought it might have been possible to engineer something that cats can hear but I can't. However, if that's what they were trying to do, they failed.

  23. JohnnyWas
    Megaphone

    Mosquito and I thought it was Tinitus

    Title says it all really......

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    what a surprise

    "[...]and that targeting them "is tantamount to degrading treatment prohibited by the European Convention on Human Rights"

    <->

    guvmuppet backs them.

    Seems if a company wants to sell items in the UK to .gov, breaching Human Rights = instant sale...

  25. Marvin the Martian
    Flame

    85% sold in the UK

    Because the british hate children: fact.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      No

      Because British kids are lately....little shitebags, yes there are some good kids still who have had discipline and good parenting, but the majority are left to their own devices as mum and dad are both out working 80 hours a week, or in the pub getting smashed on the child benefit / tax credit payment, so learn they can do what they like.

      Example, when I was growing in the 1980s, if you saw an adult you behaved yourself, lest your parents find out, I'll see your father / mother being a valid threat.

      Now kids stand blocking the pavement, and when you ask them politely to move you get "how" or "whit the fuck fur???" or "FUCK YOU PEEDO PEEDO PEEDO"

      Or their "parents" "look its ra polis manny, you better run and hide or he'll tak ye to the nick" << great teach kids to hide from the police, and commit crime. That being heard in a busy cafe, something I would never have heard when I was a kid.

      Frankly bring back the birch, I wasreliably told round here, only 2 EVER came back for a second dose, source for that being an elderly gentleman who used to administer the birch for many years.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        No squared

        If someone had birched me I'd have shoved it down their throat. The answer is standing up for yourself. This has ALWAYS been the answer.

  26. Richard IV

    Hoorah

    Assuming anything actually gets done with regards banning, of course.

    I'm well past 30 and can still hear the bloody things.

    On a slightly related note, does anyone know of any inks in that portion of the near infrared that is visible to CCTV cameras? One could have a lot of fun with that :)

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    Should be banned

    One of the old boys on my estate fitted a PIR enabled one to protect the patch in front of his garage. Not sure from what as it's an estate that's probably >90% retired: The only sirens you hear are the ambulances called daily to cart another one away... But I digress. The sensitivity on his was not correctly set up and walkers on the opposite side of the road would trigger it. I'm 32 and can clearly hear it from 100 feet away, though I wouldn't say it was particularly annoying.

    I did let him know and he's apparently done something about it now, but interestingly it didn't seem to bother my 1 year old one little bit whenever we walked past it. I wonder if Plymouth really have saved as much as they say and whether they could corroborate it by seeing 'business as usual' in an unprotected area.

  28. Jim Carter

    At 27 I can hear them too.

    I'm guessing the science behind the device is flawed. However, I can also hear dog whistles and car brakes set my teeth RIGHT on edge. Perhaps the company in question should do some more research, or maybe do something about the problem in the first place instead of swatting kids away.

    Incidentally I have no love of chavs etc but this is a hammer to crack a walnut approach.

  29. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Won't somebody please think of...

    ... the dogs.

  30. Anonymous Coward
    Boffin

    I'm for them

    I've never come across one of these devices anywhere around where I live, but if they stop kids causing trouble around street corners, convenience stores and grafitiing / burning the shelter at unstaffed train stations, then i'm for them.

    If I go to my local onestop to get some milk, bread, etc... i'm gonna be in and out quickly anyway. Same at the unstaffed train station in my small town, as it's only 5 minutes walk from my house and I know the train times, i'm only gonna arrive on the platform a few minutes before the train is due.

    But £600 for what is basically a box of electronics, what a ***** rip off.

    I'm good at DIY electronics and I could probably easily build a circuit to emit a 17khz tone (or any other frequency) quite cheaply using a 12V DC plug in power supply, some stripboard, the common 555 timer IC, a TDAxxxx amp IC, a speaker and some resistors, capacitors... and install it all in a ABS plastic box.

  31. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hey kids

    There's this cool new thing called the Mosquito that can save carbon, make peadophiles and terrorists disappear and will make you big and strong like Popeye. All you have to do is submit to a full biometric cavity scan and give us all your money in return for a "cool card" that guarantees you are cool and anyone who doesn't show theirs to the police is not.

    On that note, the police are here now to take you DNA. Here comes the airplane!

  32. Code Monkey

    Dog Attacks

    We're reading elsewhere that dog attacks are on the up. Could the spread of the Mosquito (apropos of nothing it always makes me think of Nathan Barley's Wasp "Speechtool") be aggravating this?

    I'm lucky enough that I can't hear the damned things.

  33. Anonymous Coward
    Happy

    At the tender age...

    ... of 27 I'm still able to hear these things. The old dear next door to my parents sports one on the side of her garage which now has a intercontinental balistic twig poked into it to prevent it from working. I, of course, have no idea which brave soul did such an act of humanitarianism however, the lady next door has the placebo effect of believing it's keeping kids away and I'm headache free. I am now only put off visiting the 'rents by incessant stories of the moggy four doors down deficating in their garden. Oh joy!

  34. Christoph
    Megaphone

    What's the problem?

    High power amplifiers are very portable these days. The kids could just carry them round playing their favourite music and set to the maximum possible volume to drown out the mosquito.

    After all, they find that music pleasant so there's no grounds for other people to complain just because some people don't like the noise and are driven away from that area. Selective sonic weapons are selective sonic weapons - sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

  35. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Knee-jerk reaction

    This is an insulting, knee-jerk reaction to the problem. Blasting an unpleasant sound into the environment is an aggressive action - is this the way we want our society to solve problems? If you don't like something, just lash out? If we treat young people like cattle, i.e. something we can jab with an electronic prod when they step out of line, we can't expect them to feel (or act) as part of the community.

    BTW - I'm in my 40's and I can also hear them. It sets my teeth on edge, and I can't wait to get away from the place - so let's stop this rubbish about only the teens hearing it.

  36. Jamie 14
    Megaphone

    Still got good hearing then...

    Thanks mum, she never me let have a Walkman when i was a boy, she said those things will damage your hearing! I'm 37 and still can here those blasted machines...

  37. Eden
    Megaphone

    Hmmmm

    Could a simple in ear counter measure, often sported by the same said chavs, neds, and n'er do wells that this weapon is meant to be aimed at, remove all effects?

    I belive the counter measure in question was called Earphones connected to something called Drum'n'Bass or some such, to be fair this has the same effect on me as the damn mosquito but the ned's seem to have adapted to it.

  38. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    Simple countermeasure

    Write on a blog that these are put up by pedo's to attract children.

    Sun picks up story, every little old lady with one is dragged out in the street and burnt at the stake (i didn't say there wouldn't be side-effects)

    2 weeks max and nobody can buy them anywhere.

  39. Mowds
    Go

    As a yoof myself...

    I'm not usually the loitering type, but whenever I see one of these things, I make a point of standing by it.

  40. Myopic Aardvark
    Unhappy

    iPhone App

    There's an app for this. (KidsBeGone)

    I tried it out in the office. I (at the age of 33) could hear the 20 year and under tone and the guide dog for one of my colleagues could hear EVERY tone.

    Let's just say that app was quickly deleted.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Would have loved...

      To use that on my ex-boss.

      My hearing has suffered high-frequency loss for a long time.

      Annoying sound? No, I can't hear anything...

  41. Will Godfrey Silver badge

    @Mowds

    Good for you!

    I'm too old to be bothered by them, but I certainly object to them on principle. As far as I'm concerned it is an indiscriminate physical assault and should be treated as a crime in itself.

  42. Dr Dan H.
    Jobs Halo

    There is a better way, you know

    The purpose of the Mosquito is to emit a sound which is tooth-grindingly annoying to children, but which has no effect on adults. So, instead of a near-ultrasound tone generator, all you need is The Best of Frank Sinatra played on a random, endlessly repeating loop via a number of small, well-armoured speakers all around the area to be protected. Kids tend to absolutely loath any music which is not their current fashionable favourite, and old Frank seems to top the list of Lovecraftian horror as far they're concerned, whilst being quite pleasant for older folk.

    To add to the horror for kids, open a tea shop in the vicinity which is heavily subsidised for pensioners; this ensures that not only is the area a sort of black hole in Youth Musical Coolness, it also has hordes of people whom kids really don't like associating with; this should shift the youths to somewhere else and garner quite a lot of approval from the Complaining Oldies sector of society, at not a lot of extra cost.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Frank Sinatra

      Tops my list of horrors, too. I call it lounge-lizard music.

      However, if I was a yoof, and they tried this, I'd *break dance* to it, just for the hell of it!

      Here's an idea. Advance a decade, and Google Recognition will allow the broadcast of embarrasing stories of "what he did when he was ten" recorded by the parents. *That* will make them flee!

    2. Trevor Marron

      My local COOP

      The local COOP supermarket plays Vivaldi outside and has no problems with kids hanging around.

  43. Hashem

    Indiscriminate and offensive

    @Dr Dan H: I'm not in my twenties yet but I personally enjoy Frank Sinatra on occasion.

    The whole idea of placing something in a public place to keep away 'young people' who may or may not be doing anything wrong at any point in time is absurd. I haven't seen too many of them around London, in fact, I've only ever heard one (that might be due to my ears having taken a beating at various clubs and concerts around the city though). I guess the problem might be more widespread elsewhere.

  44. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Thumb Up

    There's always one who quite likes ol Frank

    But I figure 1 Robbie Willams per million of the population is an acceptably low risk. Beside his tax revenue in later life should more than make up for any minor irritation earlier on.

  45. M man
    Megaphone

    Im boody 32!!!

    NOISE POLLUTION

  46. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    Statutory Nuisance?

    IANAL, but surely a Mosquito is a statutory nuisance by virtue of s.79(1)(g) of the Environmental Protection Act 1990 "noise emitted from premises so as to be prejudicial to health or a nuisance".

    The private sector use of these, e.g. the pavement outside a shop is after all to cause a deliberate nuisance to indiscriminately drive away anyone who can hear the noise. It should be noted that a shopkeeper almost certainly does not own the entire area in which these devices can be heard, so has no right to control access.

    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1990/ukpga_19900043_en_10#pt3-pb1-l1g79

    I nice feature of the EPA is that any aggrieved person can institute summary proceedings under s82.

  47. Anonymous Coward
    Grenade

    Or you can flick a switch and get rid of everyone.

    That would be the switch that the President of the USA has access to, I suppose?

  48. Argus Tuft
    Coat

    don't see what's wrong

    with good old fashioned CS gas and a baton charge. That'd get rid of the young fekkers.

    (excuse me while I adjust my cardigan)

  49. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    @There is a better way, you know

    There was a story here a few weeks ago about that.

    Some local council was playing classical music in bus shelters to dissuade kids from hanging around.

    The radio3 crowd were furious, basically like in Clockwork Orange, you were training a generation of kids that classical music was a punishment.

  50. cosmogoblin
    FAIL

    Bloody nuisance

    Another vote from the "I'm over 30 and I can hear them" crowd.

    Specifically, there's one over the door of a local sweet shop. A *sweet shop* is using them to deter kids!

    It's actually painful to me. I can't quite hear the pitch, but a nasty feeling goes right through my head. I have to walk on the other side of the street.

    There was another one nearby, but it got vandalized. It's really subtle - they cut the wire but didn't leave a mess, and the shopkeepers still think it's working.

  51. Sam Therapy
    WTF?

    EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    I'm 50 and I can hear the damn things. I have tinnitus, too. I wondered what the damn annoying set me teeth on edge noise was (the missis had gone out) until I found out a few places round here have 'em.

    At the other end of the scale, I believe there's a low frequency sound which can make people shit themselves and another one which will make a human skull explode. There's got to be some potential there.

    Anyone remember Kate Bush's "Experiment IV"?

  52. chris 130
    Alert

    pass me the Tazor

    14 events, cars & houses damaged, assaults and two prosecutions means I want 4 please.

    Live where theres a a problem - then lets see if the fuglies still whine to the EEC.

    Quote:

    "youth dispersal" devices treat young people -as if they were unwanted birds or pests-

    I have young daughters, not pests, nor their friends.

    Hoodies from the slums down the road are, personally I want a damn Tazor

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