Key McKinnon extradition ruling due next week

Will the judges also consider...

...the current row over Wikimedia and the National Gallery, where again laws differ between the UK and the US? After all, if the US refuses to extradite one American for a violation of UK laws committed outside the UK, then perhaps it's not proper for them to permit extradition of a Brit for a violation of US laws committed outside the US.

Jurisdiction shopping

You understand here guys, that if you extradite him 2 things will happen.

1. UK prosecutors will conspire with their foreign counterparts to go jurisdiction shopping. If he committed a crime here, then the prosecutors should be prosecuting here.

2. You're accepting that the US can lie about the damages, that those can be HIGH enough to jump the high hurdle to extradite, yet low enough not to be worth prosecuting in the UK. In effect you're saying the damages hurdle doesn't need to be met, it's enough to *say* it's met even when its clear that it was not.

The sensible thing is to just accept that Blair was a President follower. He followed Clinton when Clinton was in power, he followed Bush we Bush came to power. We have a one sided extradition treaty where UK->US has no judicial check on the evidence, but US->UK there is. Yet they have to give him his judicial check, it's his right. Blair be damned.

Put the judicial check back in. Don't rely on people like Jacqui Smith to protect his rights. Remember Jacqui Smith did lots of things that defy logic. The 'innocent people have the same future offending rate as hardened criminals because for a few years the offending rates were similar to petty offenders after massaging the numbers'..... right.... that defies logic, in effect your claiming there are no hardened criminals, and innocent people/hardened criminals, same thing.

She was a moron.

What did you expect?

It's the BBC! He's not a minority, not female, not obviously disabled, not working class, not a new media wanker, not a pointless eco power source; so as far as the Beeb is concerned, he's as guilty as hell.

But as for the treaty being asymmetric - is that still true? I thought the USA ratified their side years ago. Then again, what the treaty says and what US courts think is not necessarily the same thing.

Paxman

No surprise, Paxman has become a self-important preening twat in recent years.

> lurches towards climax?

Frankly I doubt it. Its like bl***y SCO - always something new to delay the inevitable even longer and make lawyers even richer...

Mayday, mayday, mayday ... Virtually Guaranteed Mayhem?

Can the Establishment, with its jumped up Self Serving Perverse Authorities, afford to incur the Displeasure of the Alternate Community which has Random Control of, and/or Controls in, Computerised Systems? A little Bug here and a line of Code there, can create Havoc in Markets which can Collapse Economies.

And you know what they say, ...... The bigger they are, the harder they fall ...... and that is from the horse's mouth ...... "All computers which are connected to the internet are susceptible to infiltration and remote control. Computers which operate on a closed network may also be compromised by various hacker methods, such as privilege escalation, roaming notebooks, wireless access points, embedded exploits in software and hardware, and maintenance entry points." ..... from the Executive Summary of "Hacking Nuclear Command and Control" by Jason Fritz BS (St. Cloud), MIR (Bond)

And aint that the truth.

And if the Law is an Ass, it deserves everything IT can deliver most surely. You have Banks and Bankers misappropriating/losing/pocketing millions/billions/trillions and being rewarded with the same again, which appears again to be misappropriated/lost/pocketed, and the System and Establishment does Nothing Meaningful/Radical/Fundamental. Wake Up, you dozy *******/*****, you are being Right Royally Shafted, are you not? [And thank you, Mr J. Clarkson, for the florid, earthy descriptive]

Make your Displeasure Beta Known....... so that there can be no Doubting the Controlling Powers of People in Control of Computers and Communications.

Can do the time, dont do the crime...

Ohhh poor boy, he broke the law, he knows he's guilty and he even will sign a confession in the UK. Now, some new lawyer said this guy is "weird and smart", ahh that's a mild form of autsim. In other words, he's a geek that still lives at home! Ship him over here and lets be done with it.... Bleeding heart liberals. For a minute I thought I was on a French website..

Bloody yanks

I'm pretty sure that after all of these appeals, etc absolutely nothing will change, he will be sent over to the US as if nothing had happened.

No doubt he will be found guilty and sentenced to something insane like forty years in a shit hole American prison. With a bit of luck this will happen before the general election and it will backfire in the Governments face in a spectacular manner.

@The BigYin

"But as for the treaty being asymmetric - is that still true? I thought the USA ratified their side years ago. Then again, what the treaty says and what US courts think is not necessarily the same thing."

Without bothering to check. I don't believe it was ratified. Even if it was, it doesn't matter - it is clearly unconstitutional, and the courts will strike it down. It will thus remain an asymmetrical treaty until such time as the U.K. realizes that they've been had.

-d

P.S. I for one don't want McKinnon sent over here. He's small fry, and this whole circus is a waste of time and money. You guys deal with him - or not - as you see fit.

Re: Can do the time, dont do the crime...

AC,

In the Virtual World[s] of CyberSpace is Law and ITs Subjective Selfish National and/or International Use, an Abuse and an Affront to Emerging Greater Intelligence, which may be/is other than Human.?!

"Ship him over here and lets be done with it.... Bleeding heart liberals." ..... Please try to think better and deeper and wider so that one cannot conclude an ignorant bullying weakness exists, which is Always in All Ways Exploitable/Exploited in Order 42 Educate and Entertain a Retarded and Moribund Executive Administrative System/Bankrupt Program.

The Future Paradigm is Change you can Believe in, is IT not ....... and IT's EduTainment for Contentment Containment and Communication aka Better Beta Content and Human Resources MicroMacroManManagement......... with CyberIntelAIgent Designs.

Failure to Adapt and Adopt Change in what is in Actual Reality, a QuITe SurReal and Advanced IntelAIgent Virtual Reality, with Intelligences Programming Artificial IDEntities for Continuity Supply of Future Creative CyberIntelAIgent Propagation ..... Virtual Growth ...... will Always, in All Ways, Result in Colony Collapse.

Fortunately, the Opportunities to Prevent such a Self Inflicted Catastrophe are Offered in a Infinite Stream of New Possibilities, which in the Past would have been Considered Impossible for the Future, making IT even More Remarkable when Such is Offered and Shared in the Present.

Quid pro quo

"Ship him over here and lets be done with it..."

Assuming you're a stranger to irony and actually mean that, I wonder why you're so brave you have to remain anonymous? Send us the 'friendly fire' airmen we requested attend as witnesses during the enquiry into our soldiers' deaths and your argument might have some merit...

extradition law

One of the key issues here is the uni lateral nature we have in our extradition agreement with the USA. As is typical with NuLabour, we allow ourselves to be bullied by the Yanks to accepting something isn't fair or just, and out of a rather pathetic attempt to be seen to wanting to please them, "we are your friends Mr USA, we'll do anything you want".

Extradite the fuc*king bastard.

Er, I meant ex-president Bush to the UK for war crimes. For the British squaddies killed in a war built on lies. 'Top' Blair while we're at it. Summer's always good for a hanging.

No? Oh, I forgot - one-sided treaty. Maybe Dubya has im(m|p)unity. Natch.

Re: Can do the time, dont do the crime...

I can only assume you know nothing whatsoever about this case to make such an uninformed comment.

Paleface speak with forked tongue, Kemo Sabe

"After all the expense and trouble he has caused the US administration, it will be very hard for them to offer him the slap on the wrist he would probably have got if he had co-operated in the first place.".... By Matt Bryant Posted Monday 27th July 2009 09:52 GMT

Matt, that is the most pathetic and flawed and perverse of arguments whenever you consider the losses/expenses incurred by the US Administration over this last year........ and the crooks in suits are still hanging on to the tiller to save their sorry boney asses. But their System is exposed and easily hacked and cracked open, now that it has been exposed as a Global Fraud based upon, in their case, the MisManagement of Perception.

And they just aint smart enough to fix it with IT Protecting them from the Truth of their Scams. And thus will they quite naturally All fall foul of their own misdemeanours.

Although, of course, there are those who will be Smart enough to break ranks and be looking to save their necks and will be Venturing Capital into a New Paradigm which will save them .... and protect them .... and hail them as visionaries.

Time to face the music

Gary just might be headed for a vacation at the iron bar hotel in the U.S. Serves him right.