Gov aims to extend dead artists' royalty denial

Lisbon bubble is dead

Look, the Lisbon Agenda is dead, bury it already.

You cannot create a fake market in IP goods by making everyone pay twice, three times, n-times, to any arbitrary 'IP' rights holder simply to inflate the value of the EU economy.

It's no different than the fake smoke bubble that's popping in the US now, the fake valuation in house prices caused by lending to people who couldn't pay using money borrowed from the Chinese. Or the derivative bubble created by fractional lending & other frauds and Ponsi schemes.

Sure for a while you sell each other 'right' or 'bonds', or 'license fees for IP rights'. But without productive work behind them, they are just fake asset & income bubbles. You are artificially creating an overhead, then trying to sell people this overhead. Sooner or later people realize there is no real value there. With the burst goes your value, and with your value, goes the need for others to buy your smoke bubbles.

A person creates work which creates an asset which THEY earn income on = PRODUCTION.

A person creates work, which creates an asset, which someone else lays claims to by dubious means, and demands an income from = COUNTER-PRODUCTION.

Ah... traders.

' "If the art traders are seeing a reduction in business they will not only sell fewer works - but will not buy them from artists either. This will have a knock on effect for artists who will find that there is less of a market for their work," he said. '

Maybe the problem is the traders. Why should they be buying stuff of uncertain value in order to sell on after establishing a value for it? As far as I can see, con artists have the same MO.

What if these "art traders" became "art brokers" and just worked on commission?

Fairer deal for everyone, from the off.

Music != Art?

A musician records a song and then gets paid every time a copy is played for the next 70 years, even if they're dead (or if, like Cliff Richards, we just wish they were).

An artist paints a picture and doesn't get paid more than once even if the original is later sold on, let alone copies.

I suppose it would be too much to hope for some consistency in intellectual property laws.

Only problem with comparing it to Music is

That it's copies of the music being sold - not a one off original. I'm sure if I sold a CD I'd already bought for a million dollars the artist wouldn't get a cent, copyright or no.

This is not a copyright issue, it's a new form of IP (hateful, nonsensical phrase that it is) that really shouldn't exist unless art traders are ripping off artists.

If I sell a book

I don't have to give the publisher a cent. Why is art any different? No wonder the Irish rejected Lisbon - the EU's run by a bunch of IPdiots.

Unsurprising

The government has "sided with the art sales industry over artists." Is anyone surprised at this?

Art dealers are generally rich, artists are generally poor. Politicians generally side with rich people in the hope that some of the richness will rub off on them in some way or other.

Code is Art

I think we should push that idea.

Journalism could be art as well, you can get away with a lot in the name of art.

Artists could licence to a foundation that might be a way to get an extension.

Copy cats are the bores of society, rock breaking is too good for them, if you cannot create art stop copying it, and pony up to experience it, bunch of freeloaders.