ISP boss pledges to undermine Great Aussie Firewall

Hmmm

I remember Richard Alston (a previous Minister for Communications) and he was bloody awful. It's not impossible to imagine someone worse, but it's too soon to say if Stephen Conroy is that man.

Has it not occurred to our Ministers that sometimes, it's OK to say "No" to a law enforcement or spy agency that wants more powers, or a narrow-minded lobby group that, despite what it says or the name it chooses, does not represent anything close to a majority?

This is not what we hired our Government to do for us - and I believe that that is the most appropriate way to think about the relationship between Govt and the people. If I wanted my very own Taliban, I'd bloody well move to Afghanistan!!

Finally, I blame Microsoft. No reason - I just don't like them.

@ Greg

The OZ government only got hooked up properly in '93.

I think dingoes kept eating the modem or something.

15 Years

Hang on, what month are we in? September 1993 - November 2008. Seems he's about right, give or take a month or two, for those now making the rules up. I wonder if Malone is a Monk?

The AOLers have taken over governance of the 'net (where net==www). It was inevitable.

Wow.

""They're not listening to the experts, they're not listening to the industry, they're not listening to consumers, so perhaps some hard numbers will actually help."

Reminds me of someone.

Australians are Children

Look, you as a parent can dictate to your child that their feed will be filtered. They are children and you are an adult.

For some reason the minister sees adults as children and will substitute his choices for theirs.

Which in practice means some bloke in an office will decide on what is and is not filtered, and you have to just trust him, that he's not filtering say legal sites featuring adults because they dressed in school uniforms (like Sweden's block list did), or , for example that this won't end up filtering out BoingBoing as a sex site (a company filter does this).... or you can't get the booking form for a nudist beach because he's seen some kids bottom in the banner of the site, or like when YouTube gets censored for 1 single video witness one single time by some censor in an office (like Thailand).

Indeed you have to ignore the stupid arbitrary filtering that exists now, and imagine a perfect filter as it exists only in the head of the minister and trust the adult in the office because you are a child.

Trust him and don't mind your little widdle wuddums head over it.

Or don't and complain, because this will be used to filter legal sites and there is no feedback mechanism on the censorship so it will only expand. Adults choosing a filter for their kids is parenting, one adult choosing for another is censorship. It will end up like it always does with large parts of the web filtered and self serving politicians pretending criticism of them is terrorist talk (like JS does).

hmm

"Every time a kid manages to get through this filter, we'll be publicising it ..."

But how will they know?

kids sharing 'adult' connections

of coure that never happens. Kid's sharing their parents connections...or if you have kids can you only sign up to the 'child-friendly service'..anyone heard of anonymous proxies?

Anyone got a copy of the list of the banned sites, need that for my favourites list.

15 Years

Probably referring to the amount of time the world wide web has been around (since around 92). That's around about the time things got practical.

@Greg

so come one whats wrong?

the minister?

the worst?

the 15 years?

Is it the 15-year hyphon?

or are you misunderstanding the possessive apostrophe?

APNIC

How many EU centric businesses prefer to block APNIC (which includes our 4X swigging relations) as a cheap and nasty way to block over 40% of spam and viral attacks.

My only problem with a complete APNIC block is the once every month communications with family in .au - ignoring that, I am happy about cutting APNIC off from my systems.

Jacqui

Smaller scale version:

Filter politicians internet access to hide the fact the other Australians have unfiltered access.

the ONLY firewall ruleset UK citizens will ever need

0. Block all

1. Allow 212.78.84.50:80

All the truth of the World available there, no need to look anywhere else

Blocking APNIC is nearly par for the course

so the Aussies are already probably blocked from a lot of stuff anyhow.

My feeling is we go to IPv6, then the consumer gets to decide if they want to be in the filtered or non filtered category. They then get given an IP number in a range befitting their choice. The range that is to be filtered gets made publicly available and sites with perhaps questionable content blocks those ranges. Job done.

It can be so easily self policed, and most of these sites would happily block people you don't want people who have actively wanted to opt out anywhere near sites they don't want to be in. Some of these sites have used aggressive marketing in the past, but that is because most people only opt out publicly not privately.

Hercules or Sisyphus?

"Conroy said the pilot would filter a blacklist from the Australian Communications and Media Authority as well as 'other unwanted content'."

So The Great Barrier Chief reckons he and ACMA (well, mostly ACMA I imagine) will be able to monitor and list every bit of Internet content that fits the "unwanted" criteria, 24/7, and instantly apply it to ISP filters? I know that we here in Blighty are filtered at the point of entry into our shores but that's (currently, anyway. Give Ms Smith time) a very narrowly defined set of criteria. Widening the list to "stuff that's inappropriate for children" is a massive task that global organisations struggle to manage and even then can be circumvented with a proxy or waving SOCKS about.

I hope he is made to look very, very silly in this trial and the reulting stink means that nobody in their right political mind will touch an idea like this again anywhere in the western world. Jacqui Smith I'm looking at you.

What's happening is this....

Perhaps the context of this kerfuffle may help people understand what's going on.

About a year ago we elected a new government headed by a clean-skin, virtually unknown, religious, Mandarin speaking centrist called Kevin Rudd and his team to replace a tired, cynical, compromised bunch of conservatives in power for over eleven years. There was a an air of excitement and expectation for change in the whole country. The incoming team was especially strong on the need for leading edge technology and went to the polls with all kinds of grandiose infrastructure schemes on offer.

So what happened? Simple. Rudd has turned out to be, not to put too fine a point on it, an unstable freak in the grip of the minuscule Christian Right and its noisy lobbyists. His ministry is pockmarked by some real nutters and the whole trust of his government policy has moved towards centralized authoritarian control from Canberra.

The minister in charge of communications follows a long line of incompetents in the portfolio, from both sides of politics, but this one has added stubborn ignorance, an abrasive stupidity and almost unbelievable chutzpah to the mix. From my reading of people in the industry who have met him, and as you can see for yourselves, he is one of the most off-putting politicians on the planet.

No matter what happens, this government WILL filter the Internet. Those of you who believe that filtering is impossible are wrong. It's simply a question of cost and resources and when you are doing God's work such trivia don't matter. The fact that some people, at their own cost, can get around some of the roadblocks most of the time does not matter either. This bunch is not interested in practicalities or reality. The whole thing is based on ideology and as our US and UK friends have already found out to their cost, when ideology governs sanity goes out the door.

I would desperately like to point the finger at others but in this instance I share the blame. I voted for these fools.

We think changing gov makes things better?

Blair -> Brown.

Howard -> Rudd.

Bush -> Obama?

I shudder for the future.